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Is there a fast server to download FC4 DVD?
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| I have broadband internet access for about 3 hours a week.
I tried several of the listed servers and can get only 80KB/S
download speed. Can't get it done in 3 hours. They close the hot
spot, so I can't just let it run.
Is there a server with more bandwidth? I need about 5X the 80KB/S to
get it done. My end is easily capable of that.
I'm in Oregon, USA.
Thanks, mike
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mike wrote:
> I have broadband internet access for about 3 hours a week.
> I tried several of the listed servers and can get only 80KB/S
> download speed. ...
Which ones did you try? I'll probably recommend them without knowing
that you've already tried them.
> ... Can't get it done in 3 hours. They close the hot
> spot, so I can't just let it run.
You mention "hot spot" which sounds like you are trying to do this via
a wireless connection. Is this correct?
> Is there a server with more bandwidth?
The ones I've used (on the East coast) have good bandwidth, but I have
to share it with others using the servers. Almost always have moments
when I'm knocked down to half or even 1/3 full speed which can last ~
5-8 minutes at a time.
>I need about 5X the 80KB/S to
> get it done. ...
You're almost assured of _not_ achieving this rate for a sustained
period from a single server connection that I'm aware of.
> ... My end is easily capable of that.
> I'm in Oregon, USA.
Are you sure of that? ;-)
If you have a land line connection, you can probably use bittorrent and
the torrent files listed on the sites to fetch from multiple peers and
keep your pipe filled to near max. That is what you're needing to do
(filling your pipe) to complete the download as quickly as possible.
Not knowing which servers you've already tried I will only add that you
can traceroute/ping from the list to see which one(s) indicate the best
speed/path. It will only be approximate for your purposes but should
give an indication of the best candidates.
Also, why are you trying to download the dvd version? Why not download
the CD ISOs, one each from a different server. That might keep your
pipe filled. I usually download 2 or 3 at a time to fill my pipe.
Some sites will give you "extra" bandwidth by simply downloading
multiple files from their site, but does not "distribute" the server
load like downloading from different sites.
The other advantage of fetching the ISOs is that you might have better
luck getting a complete ISO image before you "time out". And if you
use a download manager, when you re-start an interrupted download, you
will resume where you left off. At least that's been my experience
with the sites I've tried (but never had to wait a full week to resume
-- just 3 days max, iirc).
good luck,
prg
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| prg wrote:
I was hoping for an answer. I got questions.
OK, Here Goes....
> mike wrote:
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> Which ones did you try? I'll probably recommend them without knowing
> that you've already tried them.
There were dozens of mirrors, I tried several at random. Can't tell you
which ones.
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> You mention "hot spot" which sounds like you are trying to do this via
> a wireless connection. Is this correct?
Wireless to a cable connection. One of our group works for the cable
company and installed the line. We can test it's capabilities.
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> The ones I've used (on the East coast) have good bandwidth, but I have
> to share it with others using the servers. Almost always have moments
> when I'm knocked down to half or even 1/3 full speed which can last ~
> 5-8 minutes at a time.
>
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>
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> You're almost assured of _not_ achieving this rate for a sustained
> period from a single server connection that I'm aware of.
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> Are you sure of that? ;-)
Yes, I am. Downloading the FC4 CD files, I got 250KB/S on one file
and an aggregate of 500KB/S doing all 4 at once from the same server. I
can't guarantee it
didn't slow down sometimes, but that's the average over the full download.
>
> If you have a land line connection, you can probably use bittorrent and
> the torrent files listed on the sites to fetch from multiple peers and
> keep your pipe filled to near max. That is what you're needing to do
> (filling your pipe) to complete the download as quickly as possible.
I did try this. I have zero experience, but ran into several problems.
Not many hosted the DVD file. All the connections were very slow.
All of them together didn't equal the slow direct download.
There's some issue about incoming bandwidth limited somehow by the
number of files you source? I wasn't sourcing any.
>
> Not knowing which servers you've already tried I will only add that you
> can traceroute/ping from the list to see which one(s) indicate the best
> speed/path. It will only be approximate for your purposes but should
> give an indication of the best candidates.
Yes, I can try them all. Thought it might be easier to ask than to
try them all. Turns out it wasn't.
>
> Also, why are you trying to download the dvd version? Why not download
> the CD ISOs, one each from a different server. That might keep your
> pipe filled. I usually download 2 or 3 at a time to fill my pipe.
> Some sites will give you "extra" bandwidth by simply downloading
> multiple files from their site, but does not "distribute" the server
> load like downloading from different sites.
I did download the CD images. Problem is that the fast site, didn't host
the DVD version...or hid it so I couldn't find it. The sites that did
host the dvd were very much slower.
Why? I did the math 4 disks at 700MB = 2.8GBytes. The DVD was 3.7Gig.
I'm curious as to what else is on there. My home connection is dialup,
so having more software on the disk is very convenient. And takes up
less space in the drawer.
I've had horrible experience with adding software to FC4 over a dialup
line. Every time I run Yum, it INSISTS on updating some master list.
That takes 20 minutes or so. Only then, do I get to see if the program I
want is available. Then it takes forever to download it...unless
there's a glitch...and I get to start over updating the master list.
I've used apt-get in the past successfully, but it doesn't seem to be
available in the FC distribution. To be fair, this here thousand page
book was written for FC3, and I stupidly downloaded and installed
FC4.
Yes, I know this should all be trivial if I had even the slightest clue
as to what I'm doing.
I go thru this once a year. It's cold and rainy here in winter, so I
have an annual project to convert at least one system to Linux.
I give up in spring when the rain slows down. This is the tenth year,
and I still don't have a working Linux system. I have about a dozen
removable hard drives laying around with failed Linux installs dating
back to Corel Linux I. I've had great success with Knoppix live off the
CD, but still don't have the HD installed version working. You'd think
it would be the same...guess not.
I haven't been able to get ANY of the distributions to work with my
Cirque touchpad scrolling.
I XXXXX a lot about Windows. But when I need a new program or piece of
hardware, I'm finding the problems a lot worse in Linux.
It seems that the configuration utilities and file locations are
different between the many Linux distributions and even between versions
of the same distribution. Stuff gets added/deleted/moved/changed.
Yes, you can find a zillion excruciatingly detailed how-tos on any
subject you want. Problem is that they were written for a different
distribution or version or something. Following the directions doesn't
work. Another difficulty with Linux documentation is that it's written
by people who know what they're doing. Sounds good on the surface, but
those people know so much intricate detail that they fail to disclose
the stuff that's "obvious". Those tiny details left out render the rest
unusable to the ininitiated. They wrote a song about Linux
documentation, "99 and a half just won't do"
People who write docs need to be
sensitive to the audience.
So, bottom line...the more stuff I get on the distribution DVD, the more
likely I'll be able to install the stuff I want.
This has turned into a rant. I'll stop now.
mike
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> The other advantage of fetching the ISOs is that you might have better
> luck getting a complete ISO image before you "time out". And if you
> use a download manager, when you re-start an interrupted download, you
> will resume where you left off. At least that's been my experience
> with the sites I've tried (but never had to wait a full week to resume
> -- just 3 days max, iirc).
>
> good luck,
> prg
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| mike wrote:
> So, bottom line...the more stuff I get on the distribution DVD, the more
> likely I'll be able to install the stuff I want.
>
> This has turned into a rant. I'll stop now.
> mike
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If you have so much trouble downloading it, why not get
the DVD from cheapbytes? They have it for $8.99
http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/...ribution=Fedora
Mark
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| Lenard 2006-02-12, 7:47 am |
| mike wrote:
> I have broadband internet access for about 3 hours a week.
> I tried several of the listed servers and can get only 80KB/S
> download speed. Can't get it done in 3 hours. They close the hot
> spot, so I can't just let it run.
>
> Is there a server with more bandwidth? I need about 5X the 80KB/S to
> get it done. My end is easily capable of that.
> I'm in Oregon, USA.
ftp://fedora.cs.utah.edu/pub/fedora...core/4/i386/iso
ftp://ftp.uci.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso
--
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Anything that runs on that computer, you should have control over."
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| Robert Nichols 2006-02-12, 5:56 pm |
| In article <11ut35ncccko2ac@corp.supernews.com>,
mike <spamme0@netscape.net> wrote:
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:Why? I did the math 4 disks at 700MB = 2.8GBytes. The DVD was 3.7Gig.
:I'm curious as to what else is on there. My home connection is dialup,
:so having more software on the disk is very convenient. And takes up
:less space in the drawer.
The DVD also includes the ISO of the "rescue" CD. Since the DVD can
also boot in rescue mode, the only time you'd need that CD would be
to access a machine that doesn't have a bootable DVD drive.
--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42"
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| Sorry for the late reply. Got diverted and missed your post.
mike wrote:
> prg wrote:
[snip]
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> Yes, I am. Downloading the FC4 CD files, I got 250KB/S on one file
> and an aggregate of 500KB/S doing all 4 at once from the same server. I
> can't guarantee it
> didn't slow down sometimes, but that's the average over the full download.
>
> I did try this. I have zero experience, but ran into several problems.
> Not many hosted the DVD file. All the connections were very slow.
> All of them together didn't equal the slow direct download.
> There's some issue about incoming bandwidth limited somehow by the
> number of files you source? I wasn't sourcing any.
If you're not sourcing -- uploading -- then your download rate is
limited. And many others will not respond when you look for torrent
feeds to use. To get the best download speeds you have to offer to
upload to others. This is sometimes not very "workable" as the upload
rate may be very small and dink your download pipe by as much as 50% in
some ISP setups. Mine for example.
>
> Yes, I can try them all. Thought it might be easier to ask than to
> try them all. Turns out it wasn't.
Unless someone responds who uses the links regularly, I don't see how
you can get current, relevant answers. Also, their experiences will be
greatly affected by when they use it and the path taken by the IP
packets. Can vary quite a bit, in my experience. It _is_ a PITA when
mirror lists don't provide geographic location for each site and/or an
annotation that would provide clues to help better choose.
>
> I did download the CD images. Problem is that the fast site, didn't host
> the DVD version...or hid it so I couldn't find it. The sites that did
> host the dvd were very much slower.
Because of the size of the DVD, some sites are not able to store it
appropriately or choose not to is what I've imagined. Those that do
carry it, may limit the download rate for the DVD compared to the rate
for the CDs. Hard to tell beforehand.
> Why? I did the math 4 disks at 700MB = 2.8GBytes. The DVD was 3.7Gig.
> I'm curious as to what else is on there. My home connection is dialup,
> so having more software on the disk is very convenient. And takes up
> less space in the drawer.
You can always just order a DVD :-) Doesn't help with updates though
:-(
> I've had horrible experience with adding software to FC4 over a dialup
> line. Every time I run Yum, it INSISTS on updating some master list.
> That takes 20 minutes or so. Only then, do I get to see if the program I
> want is available. Then it takes forever to download it...unless
> there's a glitch...and I get to start over updating the master list.
> I've used apt-get in the past successfully, but it doesn't seem to be
> available in the FC distribution. To be fair, this here thousand page
> book was written for FC3, and I stupidly downloaded and installed
> FC4.
>
> Yes, I know this should all be trivial if I had even the slightest clue
> as to what I'm doing.
Well, don't beat yourself up. The repositories have been changing
since FC came out and it seems that yum has won out as the preffered
form. There are apt repositories around but I can't speak for any of
them re: FC4. See site below.
[snip]
> I haven't been able to get ANY of the distributions to work with my
> Cirque touchpad scrolling.
>
> I XXXXX a lot about Windows. But when I need a new program or piece of
> hardware, I'm finding the problems a lot worse in Linux.
You're just not in a goove yet, which is understandable without a
working installation to work with. You may want to try Ubuntu as an
alternative to FC (it's on a single CD) or wait for FC5 to come out in
March so you won't have so many updates to catch up on. Or you could
go for a more stable release cycle with Centos (RHEL4 clone) and get
ISOs that incorporate updates. It won't include the latest/greatest
kernels and software packages but may be better suited to your needs.
Try these:
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.centos.org/
East coast site I use for FC, Centos, and Ubuntu
ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/centos/4.2/isos/i386
FC4 extras listed here:
ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora...data/index.html
> It seems that the configuration utilities and file locations are
> different between the many Linux distributions and even between versions
> of the same distribution. Stuff gets added/deleted/moved/changed.
> Yes, you can find a zillion excruciatingly detailed how-tos on any
> subject you want. Problem is that they were written for a different
> distribution or version or something. Following the directions doesn't
> work. Another difficulty with Linux documentation is that it's written
> by people who know what they're doing. Sounds good on the surface, but
> those people know so much intricate detail that they fail to disclose
> the stuff that's "obvious". Those tiny details left out render the rest
> unusable to the ininitiated. They wrote a song about Linux
> documentation, "99 and a half just won't do"
> People who write docs need to be
> sensitive to the audience.
Especially when they do it on their own dime, wouldn't you agree? But
it's part of the "charm" of Linux and it's even more rewarding than
DOS. There are distro families that are very similar but the different
families of Linux distros are very different for a reason. They
satisfy someone's idea about how to do it "better".
> So, bottom line...the more stuff I get on the distribution DVD, the more
> likely I'll be able to install the stuff I want.
But if you have the CDs, you won't really gain anything on the DVD
except a different storage medium, iirc.
> This has turned into a rant. I'll stop now.
Yep, frustration does that for sure. Sometimes a good rant clears the
head and calms the heart. Works for me sometimes :-)
best of luck,
prg
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