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Need advice about remote access to datacenter PCs
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| Hi. I figured this group might be best for this question because I've
contributed here in the past on IIS issues, and people here might have web
servers at a remote datacenter. I need advice on what to buy/install so I
can manage web servers at a remote datacenter.
I've always had web servers on-site, but now we're going to put them at a
datacenter. I have to figure out how to manage them and reboot them
remotely. I will have a firewall on the datacenter end, and at our office,
with a tunnel between, so even if there's private IP addresses on those
datacenter PCs (e.g. a database server that is behind the firewall), I can
still ping the private IP addresses. So, I'll have private and public IP
addresses to reach any machine. Here's my questions:
1) Should I use PcAnywhere? And can I reboot a machine with PcAnywhere, or
does it lose the connection when booting and at the login screen, which
would leave me stuck?
2) Do I need a KVM switch-box, like I'm used to having? I don't see the
need for one EXCEPT that I don't think the servers will boot properly unless
they have a mouse, video cable, and keyboard cable connected. So I think
maybe I need a KVM switch just for that purpose even though i won't be
looking at a monitor connected to a KVM box. And if I do need to buy
another KVM switch box, any suggestions on which ones to buy/avoid, or what
features I definitely want for this purpose?
Please feel free to suggest anything else that you've learned about for a
good setup, or even about the rack cabinet or power strips, because I have
to buy those too. Thank you.
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| Tom Kaminski [MVP] 2004-02-06, 5:40 am |
| "AFN" <DELETEnewsgroupCAPSaccount@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi. I figured this group might be best for this question because I've
> contributed here in the past on IIS issues, and people here might have web
> servers at a remote datacenter. I need advice on what to buy/install so
I
> can manage web servers at a remote datacenter.
>
> I've always had web servers on-site, but now we're going to put them at a
> datacenter. I have to figure out how to manage them and reboot them
> remotely. I will have a firewall on the datacenter end, and at our
office,
> with a tunnel between, so even if there's private IP addresses on those
> datacenter PCs (e.g. a database server that is behind the firewall), I can
> still ping the private IP addresses. So, I'll have private and public IP
> addresses to reach any machine. Here's my questions:
>
> 1) Should I use PcAnywhere? And can I reboot a machine with PcAnywhere,
or
> does it lose the connection when booting and at the login screen, which
> would leave me stuck?
Why not the built-in terminal services?
> 2) Do I need a KVM switch-box, like I'm used to having? I don't see the
> need for one EXCEPT that I don't think the servers will boot properly
unless
> they have a mouse, video cable, and keyboard cable connected. So I think
> maybe I need a KVM switch just for that purpose even though i won't be
> looking at a monitor connected to a KVM box. And if I do need to buy
> another KVM switch box, any suggestions on which ones to buy/avoid, or
what
> features I definitely want for this purpose?
Won't *somebody* need to connect locally to those boxes in the datacenter?
A KVM usually makes the most sense.
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Tom Kaminski IIS MVP
http://www.iistoolshed.com/ - tools, scripts, and utilities for running IIS
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsser...ty/centers/iis/
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| Net Mongrel 2004-02-06, 5:40 am |
| AFN wrote:
> ...
> I've always had web servers on-site, but now we're going to put them
> at a datacenter. I have to figure out how to manage them and reboot
> them remotely.
Have you seen this, I think most of the majors have something similar:
http://h18013.www1.hp.com/products/...loe2/index.html
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> 1) Should I use PcAnywhere?
Does it bring anything that you can't get from remote desktop?
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> 2) Do I need a KVM switch-box, like I'm used to having? I don't see
> the need for one EXCEPT that I don't think the servers will boot
> properly unless they have a mouse, video cable, and keyboard cable
> connected. So I think maybe I need a KVM switch just for that
> purpose even though i won't be looking at a monitor connected to a
> KVM box. And if I do need to buy another KVM switch box, any
> suggestions on which ones to buy/avoid, or what features I definitely
> want for this purpose?
You will probably need one for on-site issues. Belkin do a rack-mount
jobbie, others probably do too.
--
Net
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| Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.inetserver.iis:297349
I have not used Terminal Services. I did some research on it, and
understood that it is not meant for "pretending your at a remote PC," where
your desktop turns into the same thing as the remote desktop. I thought it
was more about access across different platforms (like accessing data from a
pocket pc). But please clarify what it does or doesn't do in this instance.
Would my screen turn into the exact same screen that I would see if I were
sitting at the remote server??
"Tom Kaminski [MVP]" <tomk (A@T) mvps (D.O.T) org> wrote in message
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> "AFN" <DELETEnewsgroupCAPSaccount@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:UaQUb.8407$ow4.5694@twister.socal.rr.com...
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> Why not the built-in terminal services?
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> Won't *somebody* need to connect locally to those boxes in the datacenter?
> A KVM usually makes the most sense.
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> --
> Tom Kaminski IIS MVP
> http://www.iistoolshed.com/ - tools, scripts, and utilities for running
IIS
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsser...ty/centers/iis/
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| Hi. What is "remote desktop"? This is where I need advice and
explanation. Thanks.
"Net Mongrel" <netmongrel@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> AFN wrote:
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> Have you seen this, I think most of the majors have something similar:
> http://h18013.www1.hp.com/products/...loe2/index.html
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> Does it bring anything that you can't get from remote desktop?
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> You will probably need one for on-site issues. Belkin do a rack-mount
> jobbie, others probably do too.
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> --
> Net
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| Jerry III 2004-02-06, 4:34 pm |
| Terminal Services is exactly the same as what Windows XP calls remote
desktop.
Jerry
"AFN" <DELETEnewsgroupCAPSaccount@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have not used Terminal Services. I did some research on it, and
> understood that it is not meant for "pretending your at a remote PC,"
where
> your desktop turns into the same thing as the remote desktop. I thought
it
> was more about access across different platforms (like accessing data from
a
> pocket pc). But please clarify what it does or doesn't do in this
instance.
> Would my screen turn into the exact same screen that I would see if I were
> sitting at the remote server??
>
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> "Tom Kaminski [MVP]" <tomk (A@T) mvps (D.O.T) org> wrote in message
> news:c00md6$qgb14@kcweb01.netnews.att.com...
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| Al Dykes 2004-02-06, 5:34 pm |
| In article <4IXUb.9545$ow4.1120@twister.socal.rr.com>,
AFN <DELETEnewsgroupCAPSaccount@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have not used Terminal Services. I did some research on it, and
>understood that it is not meant for "pretending your at a remote PC," where
>your desktop turns into the same thing as the remote desktop. I thought it
>was more about access across different platforms (like accessing data from a
>pocket pc). But please clarify what it does or doesn't do in this instance.
>Would my screen turn into the exact same screen that I would see if I were
>sitting at the remote server??
>
>
netmeeting does a pretty good job of remote console operation.
>"Tom Kaminski [MVP]" <tomk (A@T) mvps (D.O.T) org> wrote in message
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>web
>so
>a
>can
>IP
>think
>IIS
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Al Dykes
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| Net Mongrel 2004-02-06, 6:33 pm |
| AFN wrote:
> "Net Mongrel" <netmongrel@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:mfRUb.8249$Jj1.74673392@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hi. What is "remote desktop"? This is where I need advice and
> explanation.
On the server you need "Terminal Services"
It comes with Win2k Server but is not installed by default. I think it's
installed on Win2k3 out of the box.
On the client "Remote Desktop" - standard with XP clients. It's available
for download from the MS site. I've had it working on Win98se clients.
Gives you console access, you log in and get the server screen. Unlike
PC-Anywhere it doesn't (have to) affect the physical screen so more than one
operator can be logged in simultaneously.
I've used it over a LAN and through a VPN tunnel. It's fairly seamless - it
just works.
--
Net
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| Tom Kaminski [MVP] 2004-02-07, 4:35 am |
| "AFN" <DELETEnewsgroupCAPSaccount@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4IXUb.9545$ow4.1120@twister.socal.rr.com...
> I have not used Terminal Services. I did some research on it, and
> understood that it is not meant for "pretending your at a remote PC,"
where
> your desktop turns into the same thing as the remote desktop. I thought
it
> was more about access across different platforms (like accessing data from
a
> pocket pc). But please clarify what it does or doesn't do in this
instance.
> Would my screen turn into the exact same screen that I would see if I were
> sitting at the remote server??
Yes - that's exactly what it does, it is meant for "pretending your [sic] at
a remote PC" and it's free. That's what I use to remotely administrate all
of my servers. It is not meant for "access across different platforms (like
accessing data from a pocket pc)".
--
Tom Kaminski IIS MVP
http://www.iistoolshed.com/ - tools, scripts, and utilities for running IIS
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsser...ty/centers/iis/
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