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| John McLagan 2005-03-14, 8:47 pm |
| After reading at length about using exchange on my public
server, I have come the the conclusion, I can't.
So what I would like to do is setup each website I host
as a separate smtp virtual server. This way, they can
all have the address postmaster@domain and
abuse@domain.
Please let me know if my thinking is wrong. The docs
are mixed between exchange smtp and iis smtp. I find
it hard to follow when it tells me to open exchange. The
article looks like what I want, until I see open exchange
manager.
Thanks in advance,
John
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-15, 7:48 am |
| On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:47:03 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>After reading at length about using exchange on my public
>server, I have come the the conclusion, I can't.
>
>So what I would like to do is setup each website I host
>as a separate smtp virtual server. This way, they can
>all have the address postmaster@domain and
>abuse@domain.
>
>Please let me know if my thinking is wrong. The docs
>are mixed between exchange smtp and iis smtp. I find
>it hard to follow when it tells me to open exchange. The
>article looks like what I want, until I see open exchange
>manager.
Exchange has SMTP as well as just installing SMTP for the system. You
don't specify the OS, but you need to be aware that SMTP by itself
does not provide for mailboxes as you would find in POP servers, and
doesn't support POP/MAPI clients such as Outlook Express for
retrieving mail. You need to install POP if you use Server 2003, or a
mail server such as Exchange for this to function.
What OS you use determins the specific steps in setting up multiple
SMTP virtual servers outside of Exchange.
Jedff
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| John McLagan 2005-03-16, 2:53 am |
| What I need is how to setup multiple
smtp virtual servers on one box. I want
each domain that I host to identify itself
as mail.domain.com.
How do I setup smtp/pop3 to have
multiple virtual servers? I setup
a new virtual server as a test. It setup
and started, but when I go into pop3
all I see is my default virtual server.
I have each domain that has email
on their own static ip address. Now
how do I get the x domain to use x mail
server? And how do I access it within
pop3 manager.
Thanks,
John
"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:47:03 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
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> Exchange has SMTP as well as just installing SMTP for the system. You
> don't specify the OS, but you need to be aware that SMTP by itself
> does not provide for mailboxes as you would find in POP servers, and
> doesn't support POP/MAPI clients such as Outlook Express for
> retrieving mail. You need to install POP if you use Server 2003, or a
> mail server such as Exchange for this to function.
>
> What OS you use determins the specific steps in setting up multiple
> SMTP virtual servers outside of Exchange.
>
> Jedff
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-16, 5:58 pm |
| On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:31:03 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>What I need is how to setup multiple
>smtp virtual servers on one box. I want
>each domain that I host to identify itself
>as mail.domain.com.
>
>How do I setup smtp/pop3 to have
>multiple virtual servers? I setup
>a new virtual server as a test. It setup
>and started, but when I go into pop3
>all I see is my default virtual server.
>
>I have each domain that has email
>on their own static ip address. Now
>how do I get the x domain to use x mail
>server? And how do I access it within
>pop3 manager.
Take a look at:
How to create additional SMTP virtual servers in Windows 2000 and in
Windows Server 2003:
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;303707
POP3 Domains:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...wTo_domains.asp
Jeff
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>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
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| John McLagan 2005-03-16, 8:47 pm |
| Hey Jeff -
Thanks for the speedy response. I did find the smtp
article prior. However, I didn't follow the pop3 data
as closely as I thought. Honestly, I was afraid to
do anything to the pop service that might take
down the other domains.
However, a winpop add < > later and all is working
perfectly. Thanks a million Jeff.
Cheers,
John
"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:31:03 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> Take a look at:
>
> How to create additional SMTP virtual servers in Windows 2000 and in
> Windows Server 2003:
> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;303707
>
> POP3 Domains:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...wTo_domains.asp
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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| Lutz Elßner 2005-03-20, 7:47 am |
| You need only one -the default- SMTP virtual Server. This can handle all
Domains and also POP 3 Accounts for multiple Domains.
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| John McLagan 2005-03-20, 7:47 am |
| Hi Lutz -
That is how I have it setup now. I want to place each domain on its own
smtp virtual server each domain identifies itself as mail.xxx.com
I know how to create the additional smtp virtual servers. What I need to
know is how to make pop3 access my additional smtp virtual servers, not just
the default server.
Thanks,
John
"Lutz Elßner" wrote:
> You need only one -the default- SMTP virtual Server. This can handle all
> Domains and also POP 3 Accounts for multiple Domains.
>
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-21, 2:55 am |
| On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:25:01 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>That is how I have it setup now. I want to place each domain on its own
>smtp virtual server each domain identifies itself as mail.xxx.com
>
>I know how to create the additional smtp virtual servers. What I need to
>know is how to make pop3 access my additional smtp virtual servers, not just
>the default server.
You can't. POP doesn't access a SMTP server, ever. They are two
separate technologies. The client settings choose the POP and SMTP
servers to be used. Have you created a virtual domain for each domain
on your POP server?
Jeff
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| John McLagan 2005-03-21, 7:47 am |
| Hey Jeff -
I have setup a virtual server for each. Maybe I don't know the proper
terminology, but how do I get the users of those domain their email
by using pop?
John
"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:25:01 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
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> You can't. POP doesn't access a SMTP server, ever. They are two
> separate technologies. The client settings choose the POP and SMTP
> servers to be used. Have you created a virtual domain for each domain
> on your POP server?
>
> Jeff
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-21, 6:02 pm |
| On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:47:03 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>I have setup a virtual server for each. Maybe I don't know the proper
>terminology, but how do I get the users of those domain their email
>by using pop?
You create a POP domain, with a mailbox for the user. On the client,
you specify the POP server and SMTP server, which don't have to be the
same server. The client software pulls the mail from the POP domain.
I'm not entirely sure I understand where you're missing the link in
the process. It really is pretty simple, maybe you're just over
thinking it.
Have you got a default SMTP and POP server set up and working with at
least one account? Or is the problem the initial setup and not just
on additional domains?
You know, I've looked for a tutorial on this with screenshots and I'm
just not finding one. The docs are okay but not the best, you may
want to look at one or more of the books on IIS6. William Staneks IIS
Admin Pocket Consultant has a reference chapter on email (actually two
I believe). Might want to look at other books as well.
One caveat, you do need to use Active Directory to have multiple
domains with the same user account.
Jeff
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>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
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| John McLagan 2005-03-22, 2:51 am |
| Hi Jeff -
Ok...I totally get what you are saying. Let me tell you where I have my
problem.
Right now the config of this server is one smtp virtual server and all
domains serviced by pop3.
Ok....now I want to do what I have proposed throughout this chain. Add
additional smtp virtual servers by IP address. No problem there. OK
Now I go back to the pop3 interface and attempt to add the additional smtp
virtual servers. I can't - the only server that I can access is the default
server. So if I attempt to add the domain, it will add the domain to the
default smtp server. Not the additional servers I have setup.
Does that make sense? I feel I should be able to connect to each virtual
server. But I don't know how to address it? Am I overthinking it?
Thanks,
John
"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:47:03 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> You create a POP domain, with a mailbox for the user. On the client,
> you specify the POP server and SMTP server, which don't have to be the
> same server. The client software pulls the mail from the POP domain.
>
> I'm not entirely sure I understand where you're missing the link in
> the process. It really is pretty simple, maybe you're just over
> thinking it.
>
> Have you got a default SMTP and POP server set up and working with at
> least one account? Or is the problem the initial setup and not just
> on additional domains?
>
> You know, I've looked for a tutorial on this with screenshots and I'm
> just not finding one. The docs are okay but not the best, you may
> want to look at one or more of the books on IIS6. William Staneks IIS
> Admin Pocket Consultant has a reference chapter on email (actually two
> I believe). Might want to look at other books as well.
>
> One caveat, you do need to use Active Directory to have multiple
> domains with the same user account.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-22, 2:51 am |
| On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:59:02 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>Hi Jeff -
>
>Ok...I totally get what you are saying. Let me tell you where I have my
>problem.
>Right now the config of this server is one smtp virtual server and all
>domains serviced by pop3.
>
>Ok....now I want to do what I have proposed throughout this chain. Add
>additional smtp virtual servers by IP address. No problem there. OK
>
>Now I go back to the pop3 interface and attempt to add the additional smtp
>virtual servers.
The POP snap in isn't where SMTP is configured. They are two separate
things. SMTP is in the IIS management console.
>I can't - the only server that I can access is the default
>server. So if I attempt to add the domain, it will add the domain to the
>default smtp server. Not the additional servers I have setup.
That's true for POP. That's the way POP works. Add each new POP
domain here. Add the new mailboxes and add corresponding Windows
users.
>Does that make sense? I feel I should be able to connect to each virtual
>server. But I don't know how to address it? Am I overthinking it?
I think you're confusing SMTP and POP. In the IIS MMC, right-click on
the computer and choose New SMTP Virtual server. That should start
the virtual server wizard and walk you through the rest. You need to
have the IP addresses already on the system of course. Pick the IP,
create a home directory and choose the new domain as the default
domain for this server. You have to have the DNS zone set up for this
domain, with an MX record pointing to the IP for this domain. That's
really about all there is to it.
Jeff
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>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
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| John McLagan 2005-03-22, 7:52 am |
| "Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:59:02 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> The POP snap in isn't where SMTP is configured. They are two separate
> things. SMTP is in the IIS management console.
I realize that....thats why I am going back to the pop3 interface screen,
not the smtp in IIS.
>
> That's true for POP. That's the way POP works. Add each new POP
> domain here. Add the new mailboxes and add corresponding Windows
> users.
So I am adding the smtp virtual server to handle the smtp portion. Then
setting up pop3 on the default virtual server will transfer the mail from the
additional smtp virtual server directories to the appropriate pop3
directories? Is that what I am missing?
The smtp virtual servers I have down. It's the pop3 portion that is
confusing me.
>
> I think you're confusing SMTP and POP. In the IIS MMC, right-click on
> the computer and choose New SMTP Virtual server. That should start
> the virtual server wizard and walk you through the rest. You need to
> have the IP addresses already on the system of course. Pick the IP,
> create a home directory and choose the new domain as the default
> domain for this server. You have to have the DNS zone set up for this
> domain, with an MX record pointing to the IP for this domain. That's
> really about all there is to it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-22, 6:07 pm |
| On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:57:07 -0800, John McLagan
<JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
>
>
>I realize that....thats why I am going back to the pop3 interface screen,
>not the smtp in IIS.
>
>
>So I am adding the smtp virtual server to handle the smtp portion. Then
>setting up pop3 on the default virtual server will transfer the mail from the
>additional smtp virtual server directories to the appropriate pop3
>directories? Is that what I am missing?
That's how it's supposed to work.
>The smtp virtual servers I have down. It's the pop3 portion that is
>confusing me.
It's a little different in that there is really only one POP server,
not the virtual servers like in SMTP. But that POP server handles
multiple domains. Each domain will get a drop folder, SMTP uses the
drop folder for the domain for the incoming email messages.
I still haven't found a decent tutorial for this. The docs are pretty
clear if you already know what you're doing, but could be confusing if
you've never done this before.
One thing that helps is setting the system to configure a POP mailbox
for each new user. Then you just need to add the user in Windows and
the POP portion is configured. You specify the FQDN account for the
user, as in billg@microsoft.com, bigbird@sesamestreet.tv,
martha@ex-con.org or whatever.
Jeff
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| John McLagan 2005-03-22, 8:47 pm |
| Jeff -
Thanks for bearing with me........I will try it.
John
"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:57:07 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> That's how it's supposed to work.
>
>
> It's a little different in that there is really only one POP server,
> not the virtual servers like in SMTP. But that POP server handles
> multiple domains. Each domain will get a drop folder, SMTP uses the
> drop folder for the domain for the incoming email messages.
>
> I still haven't found a decent tutorial for this. The docs are pretty
> clear if you already know what you're doing, but could be confusing if
> you've never done this before.
>
> One thing that helps is setting the system to configure a POP mailbox
> for each new user. Then you just need to add the user in Windows and
> the POP portion is configured. You specify the FQDN account for the
> user, as in billg@microsoft.com, bigbird@sesamestreet.tv,
> martha@ex-con.org or whatever.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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| Backup 2005-03-23, 6:09 pm |
| can you post some links to documents on this.
I have allways just useds exchange to handle email. i would love to "test"
to make a mail server with server 2003 w/o having to install exchange, or
make it a member of a domain.
"Jeff Cochran" <jeff.nospam@zina.com> wrote in message
news:4248639d.15296405@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:57:07 -0800, John McLagan
> <JohnMcLagan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> That's how it's supposed to work.
>
>
> It's a little different in that there is really only one POP server,
> not the virtual servers like in SMTP. But that POP server handles
> multiple domains. Each domain will get a drop folder, SMTP uses the
> drop folder for the domain for the incoming email messages.
>
> I still haven't found a decent tutorial for this. The docs are pretty
> clear if you already know what you're doing, but could be confusing if
> you've never done this before.
>
> One thing that helps is setting the system to configure a POP mailbox
> for each new user. Then you just need to add the user in Windows and
> the POP portion is configured. You specify the FQDN account for the
> user, as in billg@microsoft.com, bigbird@sesamestreet.tv,
> martha@ex-con.org or whatever.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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| Jeff Cochran 2005-03-23, 6:09 pm |
| On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:18:18 -0500, "Backup" <backup@yahoo.com> wrote:
>can you post some links to documents on this.
>I have allways just useds exchange to handle email. i would love to "test"
>to make a mail server with server 2003 w/o having to install exchange, or
>make it a member of a domain.
Start with:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...-us/default.asp
Jeff
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