FrontPage Server Extensions for Windows - No IIS But Frontpage Fine?

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No IIS But Frontpage Fine?

John Smith

2005-06-01, 5:52 pm

Sorry, I'm lost. I look at this stuff so infrequently that it's hard to stay
on top of it.

I don't seem to have a Web server installed on my machine and I thought
FrontPage wouldn't work well without that and the FrontPage extensions being
installed.

I have a Windows 2000 SP 3 machine with FrontPage 2000 on it. It's been
there for years and everything seems to work okay until today I got in a
panic over a server error message and tried to find the Web server running
on my machine.

I read that it is supposed to be a stripped down version of IIS, but when I
check installed Windows components it's not installed. OTOH, under
Administrative Tools there is a Server Extensions Manager and in it, FPMMC,
I see a folder for FrontPage Server Extensions with a folder with my
computer's name.

I use simple components in FP like hit counters and included pages, I think
they are called, and a guestbook and everything seems to work well as I
develop. Of course, the Web server I publish to on the Internet has the
server extensions installed.

On my old Win98SE machine I could access the PWS from a local Web page and
administer it. I think there was a little applet with an icon in the system
tray as well. Nothing like that on this Win2K machine.

So what gives, please? Am I not running a local Web server and if not, what
am I missing out on?

Ronx

2005-06-02, 2:47 am

Windows 2000 Pro comes with a limited version of IIS5.0 The
limitation is the number of virtual servers it will support (=1), and
the number of simultaneous connections (=10).
AFAIK, the Server extensions cannot be installed unless IIS is
installed - possibly IIS was removed after the extensions were
installed?

Since FP2000, you can develop FrontPage webs on a PC without a web
server running without any problems. The only things you cannot do is
test components that require the extensions (hit counters, forms, etc)
or server side scripts (ASP, etc.).
To see if you have any web server installed and running, try to access
http://localhost or http://127.0.0.1 in your browser. If you succeed,
there is a web server running (though which web server will not be
known).
You can also check in Control- Panel->Administration Tools->Services
Look for IIS Admin, and World Wide Web Publishing, which refer to IIS
running.

When opening a web in FrontPage, how do you access it? Using a URL
like http://webname or a file location like c:/mywebs/webname? The
former method requires a web server with extensions, the latter does
not.
--
Ron Symonds
Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I'm lost. I look at this stuff so infrequently that it's hard
> to stay
> on top of it.
>
> I don't seem to have a Web server installed on my machine and I
> thought
> FrontPage wouldn't work well without that and the FrontPage
> extensions being
> installed.
>
> I have a Windows 2000 SP 3 machine with FrontPage 2000 on it. It's
> been
> there for years and everything seems to work okay until today I got
> in a
> panic over a server error message and tried to find the Web server
> running
> on my machine.
>
> I read that it is supposed to be a stripped down version of IIS, but
> when I
> check installed Windows components it's not installed. OTOH, under
> Administrative Tools there is a Server Extensions Manager and in it,
> FPMMC,
> I see a folder for FrontPage Server Extensions with a folder with my
> computer's name.
>
> I use simple components in FP like hit counters and included pages,
> I think
> they are called, and a guestbook and everything seems to work well
> as I
> develop. Of course, the Web server I publish to on the Internet has
> the
> server extensions installed.
>
> On my old Win98SE machine I could access the PWS from a local Web
> page and
> administer it. I think there was a little applet with an icon in the
> system
> tray as well. Nothing like that on this Win2K machine.
>
> So what gives, please? Am I not running a local Web server and if
> not, what
> am I missing out on?
>
>
>

John Smith

2005-06-02, 7:48 am

Thank you. I understand. I ran the test to open 127.0.0.1 and get "page
cannot be displayed" and for sure don't have a Web server running. I access
my local web copies as file names.

I will install the limited IIS server to get the functionality that is
missing during development. I wouldn't be surprised but what the IIS got
deleted somewhere in my many install/uninstall cycles of stuff.

I should probably check to see if there is a newer version of IIS than the
one that comes on the original Win2K install CD unless you know this and can
point me in the right direction.

Thank you very much again.

"Ronx" <ronx917@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Windows 2000 Pro comes with a limited version of IIS5.0 The
> limitation is the number of virtual servers it will support (=1), and
> the number of simultaneous connections (=10).
> AFAIK, the Server extensions cannot be installed unless IIS is
> installed - possibly IIS was removed after the extensions were
> installed?
>
> Since FP2000, you can develop FrontPage webs on a PC without a web
> server running without any problems. The only things you cannot do is
> test components that require the extensions (hit counters, forms, etc)
> or server side scripts (ASP, etc.).
> To see if you have any web server installed and running, try to access
> http://localhost or http://127.0.0.1 in your browser. If you succeed,
> there is a web server running (though which web server will not be
> known).
> You can also check in Control- Panel->Administration Tools->Services
> Look for IIS Admin, and World Wide Web Publishing, which refer to IIS
> running.
>
> When opening a web in FrontPage, how do you access it? Using a URL
> like http://webname or a file location like c:/mywebs/webname? The
> former method requires a web server with extensions, the latter does
> not.
> --
> Ron Symonds
> Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
> "John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%234nFMMuZFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>

Tom Pepper Willett

2005-06-02, 7:48 am

There is only one version of IIS available for Win2K Pro, the one that comes
with it.
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/of...etid=FX01085802
===
"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Thank you. I understand. I ran the test to open 127.0.0.1 and get "page
| cannot be displayed" and for sure don't have a Web server running. I
access
| my local web copies as file names.
|
| I will install the limited IIS server to get the functionality that is
| missing during development. I wouldn't be surprised but what the IIS got
| deleted somewhere in my many install/uninstall cycles of stuff.
|
| I should probably check to see if there is a newer version of IIS than the
| one that comes on the original Win2K install CD unless you know this and
can
| point me in the right direction.
|
| Thank you very much again.
|
| "Ronx" <ronx917@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OuHhj5zZFHA.3096@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > Windows 2000 Pro comes with a limited version of IIS5.0 The
| > limitation is the number of virtual servers it will support (=1), and
| > the number of simultaneous connections (=10).
| > AFAIK, the Server extensions cannot be installed unless IIS is
| > installed - possibly IIS was removed after the extensions were
| > installed?
| >
| > Since FP2000, you can develop FrontPage webs on a PC without a web
| > server running without any problems. The only things you cannot do is
| > test components that require the extensions (hit counters, forms, etc)
| > or server side scripts (ASP, etc.).
| > To see if you have any web server installed and running, try to access
| > http://localhost or http://127.0.0.1 in your browser. If you succeed,
| > there is a web server running (though which web server will not be
| > known).
| > You can also check in Control- Panel->Administration Tools->Services
| > Look for IIS Admin, and World Wide Web Publishing, which refer to IIS
| > running.
| >
| > When opening a web in FrontPage, how do you access it? Using a URL
| > like http://webname or a file location like c:/mywebs/webname? The
| > former method requires a web server with extensions, the latter does
| > not.
| > --
| > Ron Symonds
| > Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| >
| > "John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:%234nFMMuZFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > > Sorry, I'm lost. I look at this stuff so infrequently that it's hard
| > > to stay
| > > on top of it.
| > >
| > > I don't seem to have a Web server installed on my machine and I
| > > thought
| > > FrontPage wouldn't work well without that and the FrontPage
| > > extensions being
| > > installed.
| > >
| > > I have a Windows 2000 SP 3 machine with FrontPage 2000 on it. It's
| > > been
| > > there for years and everything seems to work okay until today I got
| > > in a
| > > panic over a server error message and tried to find the Web server
| > > running
| > > on my machine.
| > >
| > > I read that it is supposed to be a stripped down version of IIS, but
| > > when I
| > > check installed Windows components it's not installed. OTOH, under
| > > Administrative Tools there is a Server Extensions Manager and in it,
| > > FPMMC,
| > > I see a folder for FrontPage Server Extensions with a folder with my
| > > computer's name.
| > >
| > > I use simple components in FP like hit counters and included pages,
| > > I think
| > > they are called, and a guestbook and everything seems to work well
| > > as I
| > > develop. Of course, the Web server I publish to on the Internet has
| > > the
| > > server extensions installed.
| > >
| > > On my old Win98SE machine I could access the PWS from a local Web
| > > page and
| > > administer it. I think there was a little applet with an icon in the
| > > system
| > > tray as well. Nothing like that on this Win2K machine.
| > >
| > > So what gives, please? Am I not running a local Web server and if
| > > not, what
| > > am I missing out on?
| > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

Steve Easton

2005-06-02, 5:51 pm

Is IIS started??

Right click the My computer icon, click Manage and when the MMC console opens Check to see
if IIS is listed under Services and Applications. If it is check to see if it is
"Started."

"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%234nFMMuZFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Sorry, I'm lost. I look at this stuff so infrequently that it's hard to stay
> on top of it.
>
> I don't seem to have a Web server installed on my machine and I thought
> FrontPage wouldn't work well without that and the FrontPage extensions being
> installed.
>
> I have a Windows 2000 SP 3 machine with FrontPage 2000 on it. It's been
> there for years and everything seems to work okay until today I got in a
> panic over a server error message and tried to find the Web server running
> on my machine.
>
> I read that it is supposed to be a stripped down version of IIS, but when I
> check installed Windows components it's not installed. OTOH, under
> Administrative Tools there is a Server Extensions Manager and in it, FPMMC,
> I see a folder for FrontPage Server Extensions with a folder with my
> computer's name.
>
> I use simple components in FP like hit counters and included pages, I think
> they are called, and a guestbook and everything seems to work well as I
> develop. Of course, the Web server I publish to on the Internet has the
> server extensions installed.
>
> On my old Win98SE machine I could access the PWS from a local Web page and
> administer it. I think there was a little applet with an icon in the system
> tray as well. Nothing like that on this Win2K machine.
>
> So what gives, please? Am I not running a local Web server and if not, what
> am I missing out on?
>
>
>

Tom Pepper Willett

2005-06-03, 5:55 pm

....and also make sure the World Wide Web Publishing Service is started.
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/of...etid=FX01085802
===
"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
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| Is IIS started??
|
| Right click the My computer icon, click Manage and when the MMC console
opens Check to see
| if IIS is listed under Services and Applications. If it is check to see if
it is
| "Started."
|
| "John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:%234nFMMuZFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > Sorry, I'm lost. I look at this stuff so infrequently that it's hard to
stay
| > on top of it.
| >
| > I don't seem to have a Web server installed on my machine and I thought
| > FrontPage wouldn't work well without that and the FrontPage extensions
being
| > installed.
| >
| > I have a Windows 2000 SP 3 machine with FrontPage 2000 on it. It's been
| > there for years and everything seems to work okay until today I got in a
| > panic over a server error message and tried to find the Web server
running
| > on my machine.
| >
| > I read that it is supposed to be a stripped down version of IIS, but
when I
| > check installed Windows components it's not installed. OTOH, under
| > Administrative Tools there is a Server Extensions Manager and in it,
FPMMC,
| > I see a folder for FrontPage Server Extensions with a folder with my
| > computer's name.
| >
| > I use simple components in FP like hit counters and included pages, I
think
| > they are called, and a guestbook and everything seems to work well as I
| > develop. Of course, the Web server I publish to on the Internet has the
| > server extensions installed.
| >
| > On my old Win98SE machine I could access the PWS from a local Web page
and
| > administer it. I think there was a little applet with an icon in the
system
| > tray as well. Nothing like that on this Win2K machine.
| >
| > So what gives, please? Am I not running a local Web server and if not,
what
| > am I missing out on?
| >
| >
| >
|
|