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| A few years ago I had some really bad experiences with Mandrake. So it
wasn't until recently that I decided to try the latest version. I am
pleasantly suprised by how easily and quickly it installed. And how it
works in comparison to Suse 9.1. Suse 8.0 was a better distro back than
than MDK 8.2. It worked fully and without all the weird quirks that came
with the Mandrake distro then currently released. However it has
switched. The Suse 9.1 installed with dependency problems out of the box.
Some of the files were not readable on the dvd nor the cd installation
media. This was a purchased set, not an iso download and burn. These
files changed on a random basis. The cd's/dvd looked fine. No scratches
or dirt anywhere. I am also using Mepis linux currently. It however has
the 2.4.xx kernel. I wanted to test the 2.6 kernel along with KDE 3.2.
Results so far are I won't be using the Suse software very much. It
works but is dog slow in accessing websites. The Mandrake distro is in for
testing and learning. Questions on how-to are going to follow in the
future.
For now I have also noticed that initially the MDK Epiphany webbrowser is
also slow to initially access a webpage, but once there is quick when
staying with that website. Go to a new website and it takes it's own good
time compared to the same browser used with the Mepis distro.
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| tony_barnard71@hotmail.com 2004-07-18, 8:50 pm |
| comma wrote:
Snip
> I am also using Mepis linux currently. It however has
> the 2.4.xx kernel. I wanted to test the 2.6 kernel along with KDE 3.2.
>
> Results so far are I won't be using the Suse software very much. It
> works but is dog slow in accessing websites. The Mandrake distro is in for
> testing and learning. Questions on how-to are going to follow in the
> future.
>
>
> For now I have also noticed that initially the MDK Epiphany webbrowser is
> also slow to initially access a webpage, but once there is quick when
> staying with that website. Go to a new website and it takes it's own good
> time compared to the same browser used with the Mepis distro.
You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel. It by default uses IPV6
to communicate with the internet. There are some web-sites out there that
don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
describe.
The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.
There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.
Tony.
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| Bit Twister 2004-07-18, 8:51 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:18:59 +0100, tony_barnard71@hotmail.com wrote:
> You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel. It by default uses IPV6
> to communicate with the internet. There are some web-sites out there that
> don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
> describe.
>
> The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
> following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
> network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.
>
> There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
> If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.
My solution:
Modified /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modules.conf by adding
alias net-pf-10 off
and
cat /etc/sysconfig/network
HOSTNAME=wb.home.invalid
NETWORKING=yes
GATEWAY=192.168.1.1
GATEWAYDEV=eth0
NETWORKING_IPV6=no <=========== added this line
Be sure to add a carriage return at the end of line in all files.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-19, 2:48 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> My solution:
> Modified /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modules.conf by adding
> alias net-pf-10 off
Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
trying for months now to figure out how to use the synatx you used
above. I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
can understand.
I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
-------------------------------------------------
alias wildcard modulename
This allows you to give alternate names for a module. For
example: "alias my-mod really_long_modulename" means you can
use "modprobe my-mod" instead of "modprobe
really_long_modulename". You can also use shell-style wild_cards, so
"alias my-mod* really_long_modulename" means that "modprobe
my-mod-something" has the same effect. You can't have
aliases to other aliases (that way lies madness), but aliases can have
options, which will be added to any other options.
------------------------------------------------
Can you help set me staright on this please...
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| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-19, 2:48 am |
| Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
>
> Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
> trying for months now to figure out how to use the synatx you used
> above.
He said to add that line to the file! What bit of that is hard? Are you
perhaps expressing yourself a bit badly and realy mean to ask something
else here?
> I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
> can understand.
Answer to what?
> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
> -------------------------------------------------
> alias wildcard modulename
>
> This allows you to give alternate names for a module. For
> example: "alias my-mod really_long_modulename" means you can
> use "modprobe my-mod" instead of "modprobe
> really_long_modulename".
What's hard to understand about that? Your alias is "Ron". It's shorter
than "Ronald Gibson Jr III". If I put
alias Ron "Ronald Gibson Jr III"
in my modules.conf file, then I can load you using just
modprobe Ron
> You can also use shell-style wild?cards, so
> "alias my-mod* really_long_modulename" means that "modprobe
> my-mod-something" has the same effect. You can't have
Just so.
> aliases to other aliases (that way lies madness), but aliases can have
> options, which will be added to any other options.
> ------------------------------------------------
> Can you help set me staright on this please...
Which word of the english do you not understand?
Peter
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-19, 2:48 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:09:40 +0200, P.T. Breuer wrote:
> Which word of the english do you not understand?
Try understanding this dip - FOAD and plonk. You've become a total
moron.
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| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-19, 2:48 am |
| Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:09:40 +0200, P.T. Breuer wrote:
>
>
> Try understanding this dip - FOAD and plonk. You've become a total
> moron.
Repeat for the moron over there:
What's hard to understand about that? Your alias is "Ron". It's
shorter than "Ronald Gibson Jr III". If I put
alias Ron "Ronald Gibson Jr III"
in my modules.conf file, then I can load you using just
modprobe Ron
So where is your dimitted neuron having the difficulty?
Peter
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| Bit Twister 2004-07-19, 7:48 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:40:43 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
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> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
The human mind tends to reduce something to it's most complex form.
The technical writing you find in man pages is terse and concise.
The alias definition you found in man modprobe.conf is just that, it
is a definition of alias and what you can do with it.
It is like the defination of the color red and you are indicating you
do not understand the defination of red.
Take the _alias eth0 tulip_ statement, that says when loading module
eth0 get the actual module tulip.
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| imotgm 2004-07-19, 5:50 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:40:43 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>
> Gosh Bit I really need some help with something related here. I've been
> trying for months now to figure out how to use the syntax you used
> above. I've searched everywhere and can not find an answer that I
> can understand.
>
> I don't understand the syntax to use in modprobe.conf especially the
> usage of aliases. The below from the man page makes no sense to me...
<snip>
> Can you help set me straight on this please...
As root, enter;
grep -r net-pf-10 /etc/*
and see if that helps make it any clearer.
Cheers ;-)
--
imotgm
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| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:18:59 +0100, tony_barnard71 wrote:
..
> You're problem with web browsing is the 2.6 Kernel. It by default uses IPV6
> to communicate with the internet. There are some web-sites out there that
> don't recognise IPV6 DNS requests and therefore cause the problem you
> describe.
>
> The easiest way to resolve I have found is to use Mozilla and ensure the
> following is set in the about :config settings of the browser.
> network.dns.disableIPv6 = true.
>
> There are other ways to resolve, but this is the easiest way I have found.
> If anyone has any better suggestions please feel free to point them out.
>
> Tony.
I will try the mozilla browser instead. Easy enough to just start it
right now.
No difference. All three webbrowsers took four minutes to access the
Mandrake links on the default homepage, which is a local file. Typing
yahoo.com in the url bar results in the same slow connection to the
webpage. Once there, yahoo.com, all links on that server are quick to
load. Leaving yahoo.com to go to say google.com same results. long load
times for the switch to the new webpage.
This is not a problem I have noticed with Debian based linux distros. My
recent experience has been with Mepis generally. But I have also
downloaded and burned iso's for Peanutlinux, Libralinux, Demo linux, and a
knoppix live-eval cd. None of these other distros has had the time lag
evident in the Suse and Mandrake distros. I am including Suse 8.0, 8.2
and 9.1 version in this discussion. I have no earlier version of Mandrake
or any other Redhat based distros to compare as of now. I may download
Fedore and try that later.
Just for information I am on a dsl system. The nic card is onboard
realtek 8139. The modem is a Netopia cayman 3300, run through a Linksys
BEFSR41 router.
Thanks for the information.
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| Bit Twister 2004-07-19, 5:50 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:28:03 GMT, comma wrote:
>
> No difference. All three webbrowsers took four minutes to access the
> Mandrake links on the default homepage, which is a local file. Typing
> yahoo.com in the url bar results in the same slow connection to the
> webpage. Once there, yahoo.com, all links on that server are quick to
> load. Leaving yahoo.com to go to say google.com same results. long load
> times for the switch to the new webpage.
Lets see /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts and
chkconfig --list | grep :on
ifconfig -a
route -n
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| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:50:08 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:28:03 GMT, comma wrote:
>
> Lets see /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts and
>
> chkconfig --list | grep :on
>
> ifconfig -a
> route -n
I cheated. Since my cli skills are extremely limited I rebooted with the
live eval cd from Mepis. Then after finding the three
files modprobe.conf, modules.conf and the sysconfig/network files I
followed the directions and edited them.
I added the:
alias net-pf-10 off
to the first two
then added
NETWORKING_IPV6=no
to the sysconfig/network file
Works like a champ now. I may not have used your solution, but someone
else answered your post and I found the naswer there. Thank you for the
help.
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| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:50:08 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:28:03 GMT, comma wrote:
>
> Lets see /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts and
>
> chkconfig --list | grep :on
>
> ifconfig -a
> route -n
Bit Twister
I cheated. Since my skills at cli are very limited my solution was to
reboot with the Mepis cd. I found the three files you mentioned. I added
the lines you suggested and everything works like a charm. All three
webbrowsers are as fast as they are in the debian distros. Thanks for all
your assistance. I'll be back with more questions probably.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-20, 2:49 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:22:58 +0000, imotgm wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> As root, enter;
> grep -r net-pf-10 /etc/*
> and see if that helps make it any clearer.
Well not a lot so far. I got a heck of a lot of hits. Let me study this
for a while and get back to you. Hopefully I can formulate more exact
questions.
Let me recap my confusion on this. In understand what an alias is of
course but don't understand why it's needed to use them and when to use.
Also there seems to be fields in that file and I'm not sure what field
does what.
I think one reason to use an alias there is so that you can load
several related modules with a one line statement, but I'm speculating.
And now let me tell you how this came about. As you know I used Slackware
exclusively until about a year ago.
Slack uses a file called rc.modules. It's a long list of modules like so
#modprobe tulip
Almost every possible module is in it. So all I had to do in the past
was just uncomment the line and the module is loaded (if it's built).
Secondly because of the hardware I use and approach to compiling kernels
I've used very very few modules over the years.
So modules (as used like this) are as alien to me almost as much as a
newbie. What you are not used to using is hard to understand at first as
you recall I'm sure when you first tried Linux or fired up a PC for the
first time. But doggonit I try hard to help someone if I can and they are
trying hard. Believe me I'm trying hard on this. So this is my "newbie
problem".
Everyone is entitled to at least one don't you think 
So see I'm not crying "Wolf" or being lazy. This is an instance where
I'm lost and need some very basic help on this.
So let me study this for a day or so and get back to you with some better
formulated questions. Stick with me, OK?
BTW ignore the jerk - You know who. He finally made my kill file so I am.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-20, 2:49 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:32:14 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> The human mind tends to reduce something to it's most complex form.
> The technical writing you find in man pages is terse and concise.
> The alias definition you found in man modprobe.conf is just that, it
> is a definition of alias and what you can do with it.
> It is like the defination of the color red and you are indicating you
> do not understand the defination of red.
> Take the _alias eth0 tulip_ statement, that says when loading module
> eth0 get the actual module tulip.
Bit let me take a day or two to look at what I have hard again so I can
ask more precise better questions. For an explanation on what is going
on with me on this see the post I just made to imotgm.
Please stick with me on this. I really do need the help. As I said let
me put together a few good questions to ask. I really appreciate any
help I can get on this as I've searched for over two months now and the
best I've found is that man page. On the LDP site they don't have a doc
that even refers to this syntax and/or how to use the file.
As I said to imotgm - This is my newbie question...
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| Bit Twister 2004-07-20, 2:49 am |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:13:17 -0400, Ron Gibson wrote:
>
> Bit let me take a day or two to look at what I have hard again so I can
> ask more precise better questions. For an explanation on what is going
> on with me on this see the post I just made to imotgm.
What you picked out for the question was a method to disable a module.
There is a tremendous about of flexibility there and that same flexibility
tends to limited by creativity. For example do a
cat /etc/modprobe.conf
Also if you looked at some of the /etc/* scripts you see where a
script could fetch which module is assigned to the alias without the
code having to use case staments to figure out which one is being used.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-20, 2:50 am |
| On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 03:40:44 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> What you picked out for the question was a method to disable a module.
> There is a tremendous about of flexibility there and that same flexibility
> tends to limited by creativity. For example do a
> cat /etc/modprobe.conf
> Also if you looked at some of the /etc/* scripts you see where a
> script could fetch which module is assigned to the alias without the
> code having to use case staments to figure out which one is being used.
So in this case the alias is used as a shotgun method and saves on
typing. Then you really *don't* have to use an alias there but it makes
it more convenient, correct? And adding off prevents modules matching
that general specification in the alias from loading which might be
several modules depending?
If I got that right that's one obstacle (a major one too) out of the way.
And I'll look to. Like I say I've been trying hard. Like I mentioned
since I'm used to handling modules a different way this all looks
really alien to me. But that's normal for a first exposure and in essence
a few months ago was my first exposure to this approach.
I'll go dig around in /etc and see what I can put together. Thanx
heaps for bearing with me on this.
I should have my questions narrowed down by tomorrow unless something
comes up.
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| imotgm 2004-07-20, 5:52 pm |
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:04:24 -0400, Ron Gibson wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:22:58 +0000, imotgm wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well not a lot so far. I got a heck of a lot of hits. Let me study this
> for a while and get back to you. Hopefully I can formulate more exact
> questions.
Psst. Ron, I'm playing with you, cat and mouse style. I'm the cat. ;-P
Unless your Mandrake is terribly different from mine, all the hits are the
same hit, guided by multiple links to the same file /etc/init.d/network.
They all look like this:
/etc/init.d/network: alias=`modprobe -c | awk '/^alias net-pf-10 / { print $3 }'`
/etc/init.d/network: echo "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" >> /etc/modules.conf
/etc/init.d/network: echo "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" >> /etc/modprobe.conf
Ask yourself, "What does this tell me?"
> Let me recap my confusion on this. In understand what an alias is of
> course but don't understand why it's needed to use them and when to use.
> Also there seems to be fields in that file and I'm not sure what field
> does what.
Follow my lead, and it will explain itself, later. This is the path I took
to find your answer. There's a funny and ironic story at the end also. (he
says, with a Cheshire cat grin) ;-D
<snip>
> So modules (as used like this) are as alien to me almost as much as a
> newbie. What you are not used to using is hard to understand at first as
> you recall I'm sure when you first tried Linux
When I first tried Linux I had no problems at all understanding it.
I kicked in a few monitors, and blistered the paint off the walls with
cursing, but that was not because of problems of understanding; rather,
the discovery of several interesting dilemmas along the way.
Dilemma \Di*lem"ma\, n. [L. dilemma, Gr. ?; di- = di`s- twice +
? to take. See Lemma.]
n : state of uncertainty or perplexity especially as requiring a
choice between equally unfavorable options
2. A state of things in which evils or obstacles present
themselves on every side, and it is difficult to determine
what course to pursue; a vexatious alternative or
predicament; a difficult choice or position.
3. A user friendly, easy to install computer operating system, known
alternatively as Linux, or Gnu/Linux. alt: The Devil's plague from hell,
sent to devour the brains of, and stress the sanity of, wannabe computer
geeks, by means of various methods of torture; lack of sleep, addiction,
too many pizzas, (mostly cold) too much beer, (mostly warm) and total
lack of sex, for extended periods of time.
I understood Linux from the start; It was trying to torture me to death,
and I was too dumb, and stubborn, to quit and go fishing.
> or fired up a PC for the
> first time. But doggonit I try hard to help someone if I can and they
> are trying hard. Believe me I'm trying hard on this. So this is my
> "newbie problem".
>
> Everyone is entitled to at least one don't you think?
Oh yes, and I'm enjoying every minute of it. (smile of fiendish glee)
> So see I'm not crying "Wolf" or being lazy. This is an instance where
> I'm lost and need some very basic help on this.
With me leading the way, basic is what you see, basic is what you get. ;-P
> So let me study this for a day or so and get back to you with some
> better formulated questions. Stick with me, OK?
I'm here for the duration. Polish up your sense of humor.
--
imotgm
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-21, 7:47 am |
| On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:42:38 +0000, imotgm wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I'm here for the duration. Polish up your sense of humor.
Naw I'm just really trying to clarify. I'm an experienced user but this
is one that just managed to slip right past me over the years. Some may
think I'm kidding or something.
I had to rest today (woke up for a few secs - it's 5AM) I was exhausted.
Had a few real long days. Back to the grind tomorrow.
| |
| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-21, 7:47 am |
| imotgm <imotgm_REMOVE@invalid-yahoo.com> wrote:
> /etc/init.d/network: echo "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" >> /etc/modprobe.conf
>
> Ask yourself, "What does this tell me?"
Interesting. It tells me that when the kernel asks for the "networking
protocol family 10 support module", it is now directed instead to load the
ipv6 module.
That makes sense, since there is no module called net-pf-10.o, and
there certainly is one called ipv6.o.
You are being too complicated. If you don't understand when to use an
alias, and when not to use, then be happy! Until you find a need, stay
clear. When you find a need, then you will want to concern yourself,
but not until then.
But of course you do understand. Let's say that the tea lady at your
establishment is called "Ron". Then I might mentally
alias "tea lady" Ron
and then whenever I feel like calling for the tea lady, my mental note
to myself will kick in and I'll call for "Ron" instead.
A good thing too, as you might not respond well to being called "tea
lady". Maybe I think you're the tea lady, and maybe you think you're
the president of the republic. Who knows. But "Ron" we both agree on.
[vbcol=seagreen]
There are no fields. It's "alias a b".
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Follow my lead, and it will explain itself, later. This is the path I took
> to find your answer. There's a funny and ironic story at the end also. (he
> says, with a Cheshire cat grin) ;-D
Hmmmmm.
>
> With me leading the way, basic is what you see, basic is what you get. ;-P
>
>
> I'm here for the duration. Polish up your sense of humor.
Polishers need no jokes made about them.
Peter
| |
| imotgm 2004-07-21, 7:47 am |
| On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:16:58 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:
> I had to rest today (woke up for a few secs - it's 5AM) I was exhausted.
> Had a few real long days. Back to the grind tomorrow.
Know that feeling well. Catch Ya on the rebound.
--
imotgm
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| Chris F.A. Johnson 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| On 2004-07-21, P.T. Breuer wrote:
> imotgm <imotgm_REMOVE@invalid-yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> There are no fields. It's "alias a b".
Of course there are fields; there's the command, the name of the
alias and the value of the alias.
The question is, which comes first (OK, second, after the command),
the name or the value?
In this case, unlike shell aliases, the value precedes the name.
>
> Polishers need no jokes made about them.
Ay, there's the rub!
--
Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org
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| |
| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2004-07-21, P.T. Breuer wrote:
>
> Of course there are fields; there's the command, the name of the
> alias and the value of the alias.
Those aren't "fields". They're the arguments to the alias command.
> The question is, which comes first (OK, second, after the command),
> the name or the value?
The name you want to use (the alias) comes first (as it has in all the
examples!), and the value that is to be substituted for it comes second.
What was not so about that in
alias "tea lady" Ron
??
> In this case, unlike shell aliases, the value precedes the name.
??????????? Noooooooo! The name comes first. As in
alias net-pf-10 ipv6
This means that when you call the NAME "net-pf-10", the VALUE "ipv6" is
substituted for it.
alias eth0 3c509
This means that when you call the NAME "eth0", the VALUE "3c509" is
substituted for it.
>
> Ay, there's the rub!
Peter
| |
| Chris F.A. Johnson 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| On 2004-07-21, P.T. Breuer wrote:
> Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Those aren't "fields". They're the arguments to the alias command.
Of course they are; the second and third fields are arguments to
the first.
>
> The name you want to use (the alias) comes first (as it has in all the
> examples!), and the value that is to be substituted for it comes second.
> What was not so about that in
>
> alias "tea lady" Ron
>
> ??
>
>
>
> ??????????? Noooooooo! The name comes first. As in
>
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
>
> This means that when you call the NAME "net-pf-10", the VALUE "ipv6" is
> substituted for it.
>
> alias eth0 3c509
>
> This means that when you call the NAME "eth0", the VALUE "3c509" is
> substituted for it.
You are being inconsistent.
In one example, you say the name is the third field (Ron):
alias "tea lady" Ron
Then you say it is the second (net-pf-10):
alias net-pf-10 ipv6
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Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org
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===========================
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| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2004-07-21, P.T. Breuer wrote:
1)
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The name is "tea lady". That's what you call. "Oi, you there, tea
lady!" The value is "Ron" (or "Marge Simpson", or whoever).
Name is function, value is identity. A value can have many names,
but a name can only resolve to one value. The "tea lady" is the name.
"Ron" is the value.
2)
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3)
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> You are being inconsistent.
Se 1) 2) 3). No I am not.
> In one example, you say the name is the third field (Ron):
That's not the third field but the second argument (hic), and no I do
not so say. Ron is the VALUE is what I say. The NAME is "tea lady".
> alias "tea lady" Ron
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> Then you say it is the second (net-pf-10):
The first argument.
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
So it is, and gorblime if I h'ain't been as cornsisternt as a clock.
Peter
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:34:37 +0000, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
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> Of course there are fields; there's the command, the name of the
> alias and the value of the alias.
> The question is, which comes first (OK, second, after the command),
> the name or the value?
> In this case, unlike shell aliases, the value precedes the name.
Ah ha. Another tidbit. That's going into the reference file I'm building.
Right now I'm trying to gather these little pointers that clear up the
man page stuff and then tomorrow is my tentative date to bust XXX on it
again but this time with some added tips.
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My sense of humor has only run out on one "person" and I'm hardly in a
minority there.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:18:40 +0000, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> You are being inconsistent.
> In one example, you say the name is the third field (Ron):
> alias "tea lady" Ron
> Then you say it is the second (net-pf-10):
> alias net-pf-10 ipv6
Ack! Remember we have a confused newbie following all of this - Me 
I may not be posting but I'm sure taking notes!
I can't prove it but my experience is that files like this usually have
fields delimited by spaces or tabs.
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:34:37 +0000, imotgm wrote:
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> Know that feeling well. Catch Ya on the rebound.
Yeah and the discussion is really appreciated. I've think I picked up
enough so far to help an awful lot when I hit it again tomorrow.
More tomorrow. Tonight I'm going out for a big steak
BTW it's so cool that I can just CTL-ALT-F8 and run those MDK games while
under Slack. Also it allows me to help MDK guys. I can double check
easily before I make a post. Like I'm mentioned I feel like a thief if I
don't try and give back help too.
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| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:18:40 +0000, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
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No I am not.
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No I don't. The name is "tea lady". The value is "Ron". And it's first
argument, not second field.
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The name is the first argument. The value is the second. Alias are
names. What is being defined is that net-pf-10 is an alias for ipv6.
The object ipv6 now has two names, ipv6 and net-pf-10.
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> Ack! Remember we have a confused newbie following all of this - Me
No, not "Ack!". Cease being confused by crass piffle. There is no
confusion. alias a b defines a as an alias for b. There is no
secret, no difficulty, no complication, no nothing, and if you want to
enter into semantic discussions about the difference between a value
and the name of that value, please go away. Ron is who you are. I
merely refer to you. You are a value.
> I may not be posting but I'm sure taking notes!
Well, kindly post out the porthole.
> I can't prove it but my experience is that files like this usually have
> fields delimited by spaces or tabs.
Don't be silly. They have "fields" (and there are no "fields", simply
declarations with a keyword and two arguments) delimited by well
constructed barbed wire strung on regulation fenceposting with ditches
and hedges and copices as further punctuation.
Try and take a tranky and calm yourself down a bit, right? Your brain
will overheat at this rate.
Peter
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| P.T. Breuer 2004-07-21, 5:49 pm |
| Ron Gibson <rsgibson@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Ah ha. Another tidbit. That's going into the reference file I'm building.
Complete nonsense.
% alias foo bar
% foo me
bar: Command not found.
%
> Right now I'm trying to gather these little pointers that clear up the
Well DON'T. Use the painfully slow blak dot with spidery outhangings
currently taking up residence in the vacant space behind your eyes
instead.
> My sense of humor has only run out on one "person" and I'm hardly in a
> minority there.
Gooooood.
Peter
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| imotgm 2004-07-21, 8:46 pm |
| On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:32:00 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:
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> BTW it's so cool that I can just CTL-ALT-F8 and run those MDK games while
> under Slack. Also it allows me to help MDK guys. I can double check
> easily before I make a post. Like I'm mentioned I feel like a thief if I
> don't try and give back help too.
I saw your reference to that a couple of times, but if you posted a how
to, or a web page, I missed that. If you have a web page set up, with
step-by-steps I'd like to see it. If you haven't posted it yet, don't do
so here and now, as I don't want to hi-jack this thread, yet again, and
clutter it up with things not related to your original question. We could
discuss this in a new thread, after we have you straightened out, on this.
Enjoy the steak. ;-)
--
imotgm
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| Ron Gibson 2004-07-21, 8:46 pm |
| On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:26:14 +0000, imotgm wrote:
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> I saw your reference to that a couple of times, but if you posted a how
> to, or a web page, I missed that. If you have a web page set up, with
> step-by-steps I'd like to see it. If you haven't posted it yet, don't do
> so here and now, as I don't want to hi-jack this thread, yet again, and
I can do that later.
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