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| pc games 2006-08-10, 7:23 am |
| The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
No other part of PC Games have a Monopoly except the OS.
And this has been the reall "excuse" for STEAM LOVERs to come
and justify their Master Valve arrogant/monopolistic activity
with STEAM.
Why fight against Valve if we are already Microsoft slaves?
My reply is lets all switch to Linux and be FREE!
The switch to Linux would be the right thing and the best
and would save us from Microsoft/Valve slavery.
For that the Linux community and the PC Games industry need
to come together and produce a competitive OS for us.
(the PC Games industry including developers, publishers and
hardware manufactures like AMD, Intel, Nvidia and others)
The result of this collaboration would be a set of APIs any
distro could use so it would basically make any Linux distro
be able to play these standard PC Games (Linux based) but at
the same time another thing had to be made, something that
would be essential and would be the KEY for the success of
the usage of Linux among PC Gamers.
The Key for the success of Linux for PC Gamers would be the
creation of a entirely new distro optimized for Games.
This entirely new distro for Games would have two versions.
One light version that would have only the necessary to run
Games and have the minimal connectivity for online gaming,
and a full version which would have all what the light one
had plus everything to make the PC a multi-purpose machine
but at the core would also be optimizated for games.
Both would be seen and called Linux distros for gamers.
The KEY for this success would be making this two versions
exactly right for what PC Gamers need, specially the light.
The light version would target:
.. Extremely fast boot time (less than 10 seconds)
.. Extremely small size (less than 100mb)
.. Only the necessary to boot, play games and have minimal
online connectivity for online gamming.
.. Being able to boot up in many mediums like UBS memory
sticks, CD-ROM disks, DVD-ROM disks and others
.. Behind able to read/write and even install the boot files
in file systems compatible to the ones used in DOS/Windows
universe FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS.
.. The boot itself would be included in every single PC Game
unit sold cause not only it occupied less than 100mb but
it only took 10 seconds to boot and cause the games would
all come in DVD their would be plenty of space.
So just look at a new set of PC Game titles based on this
new Linux distro optimized for games and running APIs for
games from Open Standards like OpenGL or OpenAL and every
game would come in a DVD-ROM bootable with the OS so no
need for PC Gamers to install nothing and with a boot time
of less than 10 seconds so they didn't have to wait longer
than if they would boot from windows and the game would be
ready to run directly from the DVD with no need to install
anything.
For PC Gamers like myself there would be an option to put
the boot in one of your local disk partitions and boot
from there by choosing an option in the WinNT/2K/XP boot
menu and obviously install the full game in your hdd.
I'm not defending PC Games should only run directly for the
disk like console do cause that is not at all convinient,
and would remove one of the big advantages that the PC has
over consoles. What I'm saying is a PC Game based on Linux
would run immediately with no need for any install in a
PC based on Windows so with this many PC Gamers would want
to try it knowing there system wouldn't be affected.
Obviously after trying and seeing how much better it was
they would choose the proper way of playing PC Games that
would be installing the Linux boot, and the full game all
in the local hard drive and not use at all the games disk.
Everyone would have something to choose from:
So newcomers with no Linux would run a PC Game based on
Linux with no need to install anything cause every PC Game
based on Linux would come in a DVD with a boot to Linux and
the game ready to run from the disk.
The hard-core Linux users could use their own distro for
playing these PC Games.
The hard-core PC Gamers would be able to install either
the small distro and boot and run the games only from the
HDD or choose the full distro or any other Linux distro.
Everyone would be included and everyone would have a way
to play PC Games based on Linux.
Would this be much better for the PC Game market? I bet
it would.
Would it be much better for devs and publishers? I bet it
would cause they would no longer be dependant on MS and
would be much more in control
Would it be much better for hardware manufactures? I bet
it would cause they wouldn't need to do what MS wants but
either be themselves to make the choices
Would it be much better for PC Gamers themselves?
Definitely!
A Free OS, or at least much less expensive.
Being reassured there was no Monopoly
Being reassured the standards were open and nobody imposed
anything for their own advantage
Being reassured there would be freedom and plenty of choice
cause nobody controlled and everyone could be included
Being reassured with choice and competition there would be
much more privacy and consumer rights
Being reassured that now the PC can do serious competition
against consoles cause there would be no conflict of interests
And to end would you think with a PC Games based in a Linux
system, those arrogant greedy monopolistic "I want to be just
like Microsoft" Valve would ever had a chance to IMPOSE to INFECT
to SPREAD that disease called STEAM? Oh no they wouldn't! they
would be dead by now.
--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam
Want Half-Life 2 Retail Boxed version without steam?
http://www.petitiononline.com/NewHL2SE/
List of Retail Boxed PC Games with Product Activation
http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/pcgprodact.htm
Final score:
Prey = 5 Half-Life 2 = 0
http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/prey5units.jpg
http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/nobuy.jpg
How does a STEAM LOVER define a pirate?
Reply: Someone that has bought 5 units of Prey
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| Rex Ballard 2006-08-10, 7:23 am |
| pc games wrote:
> The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
> OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
This would almost be amusing. Most game producing companies do NOT
code directly to the Microsoft APIs. They have engines, similar to
Java JVMs, often written in FORTH, VRML, or a other proprietary engines
which then interpret the "script" of the games.
Electronic Arts, for example, has had one of these engines for Linux
almost since Linux came out, I think since around 1996.
Keep in mind that when they write one of these games, it typically has
to run on PS/2, Nintendo, Xbox, Mac, and PC. This is why they use the
virtual machine. The virtual machine is fairly simple to implement,
and usually makes calls to OpenGL (since these libraries are intrinsic
to all of the above platforms).
Appearantly there is an issue involving trademarks and logos that
prevents most of these companies from shipping the Linux Virtual
machines on the same CD-Rom or DVD that contains the Microsoft VMs.
There does not seem to be a problem with including the Nintendo, PS/2,
or X/Box VMs.
Some commercial versions of Linux include these VMs, and in some cases,
the VMs can be downloaded directly from the company sites. Is
addition, many commercial versions of Linux include packages that allow
Linux to emulate PS/2, Nindendo, and other older game machines, all the
way back to the Atari 2600 (there's even a CD full of old games for
that emulator).
Don't assume that just because your favorite game doesn't have a cute
little tux penguin on the box, that it can't be run on a Linux machine.
Do a little research, go to the game producer's site. Google to see
if there is an emulator or VM from that company that will let you play
that game on Linux.
Almost nobody writes games in low level languages such as C or
assembler, so it's highly unlikely that your favorite game is truly a
"Windows XP Only" application. Microsoft's Flight Simulator has always
been the ultimate test in "Microsoft Compatibility", and even that has
been rewritten several times in higher and higher level languages and
higher level abstraction libraries.
Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
will run Windows-Only PC games? For that kind of money, you can get an
X-Box or PS/3, and leave your computer for more important things, like
work, homework, research, things that will actually make a difference
in your life, that will help you learn more now so you can earn more
later.
Yes, you might become the highest scoring player in WarCraft-II, but
what will that get you, a scholarship to Harvard? Would it EVEN get
you into West Pointe?
If you spent even half the time learning Linux applications, learning
to program in Perl, Java, and SQL, you could increase your lifetime
earnings by at least $1 million.
If you spent time engaged in the collaborative process involved in
developing OSS applications, such that you can function in mutinational
global organizations and projects, you could increase you lifetime
earnings by another $1 million.
Or you can just be the 200,000th person to make it to the highest level
of some video game with the aid of the "cheat sheets".
| |
|
| Rex Ballard wrote:
> pc games wrote:
>
> This would almost be amusing.
(Snipped info for brevity only)
> Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
> will run Windows-Only PC games? For that kind of money, you can get an
> X-Box or PS/3, and leave your computer for more important things, like
> work, homework, research, things that will actually make a difference
> in your life, that will help you learn more now so you can earn more
> later.
Rex, meet PC Games. PC Games has nothing but his PC gaming and the
various misguided campaigns he regularly launches. Common sense is
wasted on him.
Interesting comments on Linux though - thanks. (PC Games had some use
this time it seems).
| |
| Hadron Quark 2006-08-10, 1:21 pm |
| "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes:
> pc games wrote:
>
> This would almost be amusing. Most game producing companies do NOT
> code directly to the Microsoft APIs. They have engines, similar to
> Java JVMs, often written in FORTH, VRML, or a other proprietary
> engines
Hogwash. Most have their own or a licensed gaming engine which is
invariably written in C/C++ and assembler.
> which then interpret the "script" of the games.
>
> Electronic Arts, for example, has had one of these engines for Linux
> almost since Linux came out, I think since around 1996.
For what? Colossal Cave?
>
> Keep in mind that when they write one of these games, it typically has
> to run on PS/2, Nintendo, Xbox, Mac, and PC. This is why they use the
> virtual machine. The virtual machine is fairly simple to implement,
> and usually makes calls to OpenGL (since these libraries are intrinsic
> to all of the above platforms).
A) Its very hard to implement.
2) Almost none of them use opengl anymore : even ID is moving to DirectX.
>
> Appearantly there is an issue involving trademarks and logos that
> prevents most of these companies from shipping the Linux Virtual
> machines on the same CD-Rom or DVD that contains the Microsoft VMs.
> There does not seem to be a problem with including the Nintendo, PS/2,
> or X/Box VMs.
Are you talking about MAME type rubbish? or real, cutting edge games?
>
> Some commercial versions of Linux include these VMs, and in some cases,
> the VMs can be downloaded directly from the company sites. Is
> addition, many commercial versions of Linux include packages that allow
> Linux to emulate PS/2, Nindendo, and other older game machines, all the
> way back to the Atari 2600 (there's even a CD full of old games for
> that emulator).
Yes, yes : they exist for windows too.
>
> Don't assume that just because your favorite game doesn't have a cute
> little tux penguin on the box, that it can't be run on a Linux machine.
> Do a little research, go to the game producer's site. Google to see
> if there is an emulator or VM from that company that will let you play
> that game on Linux.
Noone is interested in playing "lemmings" anymore. Besides, Linux has
its own very good version.
Also there is CEDEGA.
>
> Almost nobody writes games in low level languages such as C or
> assembler, so it's highly unlikely that your favorite game is truly a
> "Windows XP Only" application. Microsoft's Flight Simulator has
> always
Nearly all games are written in C/C++.
| |
| sasquatch 2006-08-10, 1:21 pm |
| If anyone wants to take a look at a distro optimized for games, take a
look at 'Juega lin/ex', the games don't get any better than freeciv,
and I didn't even manage to install it properly.
For good games on linux all one really needs is a MUD client and some
patience... examine everything.
| |
| Rob Pollard 2006-08-10, 1:22 pm |
| Have you tried Linux?
Most gamers use their PCs for other tasks. I use mine for recording music,
software development and astro processing. Linux simply does not have
quality software available for it. Linux also does not have a tightly
integrated OS resulting in allsorts of usability issues....
As for others implying most games aren't written in C++ I would say they
have never seen a single line of source code from a commercial game. I have
seen a LOT of game's source code and for some bizarre reason :-) they are
all in C++ using the direct-x api....
--
RobP
'There are only 10 types of people in this world - Those that understand
binary and those that don't'
"pc games" <pcgamer23708@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155200368.325129.58660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
> OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
> No other part of PC Games have a Monopoly except the OS.
> And this has been the reall "excuse" for STEAM LOVERs to come
> and justify their Master Valve arrogant/monopolistic activity
> with STEAM.
> Why fight against Valve if we are already Microsoft slaves?
> My reply is lets all switch to Linux and be FREE!
>
> The switch to Linux would be the right thing and the best
> and would save us from Microsoft/Valve slavery.
>
> For that the Linux community and the PC Games industry need
> to come together and produce a competitive OS for us.
> (the PC Games industry including developers, publishers and
> hardware manufactures like AMD, Intel, Nvidia and others)
> The result of this collaboration would be a set of APIs any
> distro could use so it would basically make any Linux distro
> be able to play these standard PC Games (Linux based) but at
> the same time another thing had to be made, something that
> would be essential and would be the KEY for the success of
> the usage of Linux among PC Gamers.
>
> The Key for the success of Linux for PC Gamers would be the
> creation of a entirely new distro optimized for Games.
> This entirely new distro for Games would have two versions.
> One light version that would have only the necessary to run
> Games and have the minimal connectivity for online gaming,
> and a full version which would have all what the light one
> had plus everything to make the PC a multi-purpose machine
> but at the core would also be optimizated for games.
> Both would be seen and called Linux distros for gamers.
> The KEY for this success would be making this two versions
> exactly right for what PC Gamers need, specially the light.
> The light version would target:
> . Extremely fast boot time (less than 10 seconds)
> . Extremely small size (less than 100mb)
> . Only the necessary to boot, play games and have minimal
> online connectivity for online gamming.
> . Being able to boot up in many mediums like UBS memory
> sticks, CD-ROM disks, DVD-ROM disks and others
> . Behind able to read/write and even install the boot files
> in file systems compatible to the ones used in DOS/Windows
> universe FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS.
> . The boot itself would be included in every single PC Game
> unit sold cause not only it occupied less than 100mb but
> it only took 10 seconds to boot and cause the games would
> all come in DVD their would be plenty of space.
>
> So just look at a new set of PC Game titles based on this
> new Linux distro optimized for games and running APIs for
> games from Open Standards like OpenGL or OpenAL and every
> game would come in a DVD-ROM bootable with the OS so no
> need for PC Gamers to install nothing and with a boot time
> of less than 10 seconds so they didn't have to wait longer
> than if they would boot from windows and the game would be
> ready to run directly from the DVD with no need to install
> anything.
> For PC Gamers like myself there would be an option to put
> the boot in one of your local disk partitions and boot
> from there by choosing an option in the WinNT/2K/XP boot
> menu and obviously install the full game in your hdd.
> I'm not defending PC Games should only run directly for the
> disk like console do cause that is not at all convinient,
> and would remove one of the big advantages that the PC has
> over consoles. What I'm saying is a PC Game based on Linux
> would run immediately with no need for any install in a
> PC based on Windows so with this many PC Gamers would want
> to try it knowing there system wouldn't be affected.
> Obviously after trying and seeing how much better it was
> they would choose the proper way of playing PC Games that
> would be installing the Linux boot, and the full game all
> in the local hard drive and not use at all the games disk.
>
> Everyone would have something to choose from:
> So newcomers with no Linux would run a PC Game based on
> Linux with no need to install anything cause every PC Game
> based on Linux would come in a DVD with a boot to Linux and
> the game ready to run from the disk.
> The hard-core Linux users could use their own distro for
> playing these PC Games.
> The hard-core PC Gamers would be able to install either
> the small distro and boot and run the games only from the
> HDD or choose the full distro or any other Linux distro.
> Everyone would be included and everyone would have a way
> to play PC Games based on Linux.
> Would this be much better for the PC Game market? I bet
> it would.
> Would it be much better for devs and publishers? I bet it
> would cause they would no longer be dependant on MS and
> would be much more in control
> Would it be much better for hardware manufactures? I bet
> it would cause they wouldn't need to do what MS wants but
> either be themselves to make the choices
> Would it be much better for PC Gamers themselves?
> Definitely!
> A Free OS, or at least much less expensive.
> Being reassured there was no Monopoly
> Being reassured the standards were open and nobody imposed
> anything for their own advantage
> Being reassured there would be freedom and plenty of choice
> cause nobody controlled and everyone could be included
> Being reassured with choice and competition there would be
> much more privacy and consumer rights
> Being reassured that now the PC can do serious competition
> against consoles cause there would be no conflict of interests
>
> And to end would you think with a PC Games based in a Linux
> system, those arrogant greedy monopolistic "I want to be just
> like Microsoft" Valve would ever had a chance to IMPOSE to INFECT
> to SPREAD that disease called STEAM? Oh no they wouldn't! they
> would be dead by now.
>
> --
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam
>
> Want Half-Life 2 Retail Boxed version without steam?
> http://www.petitiononline.com/NewHL2SE/
> List of Retail Boxed PC Games with Product Activation
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/pcgprodact.htm
>
> Final score:
> Prey = 5 Half-Life 2 = 0
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/prey5units.jpg
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/nobuy.jpg
>
> How does a STEAM LOVER define a pirate?
> Reply: Someone that has bought 5 units of Prey
>
| |
|
| On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:09:52 +0000, Rob Pollard wrote this:
> Have you tried Linux?
>
> Most gamers use their PCs for other tasks. I use mine for recording music,
> software development and astro processing. Linux simply does not have
> quality software available for it. Linux also does not have a tightly
> integrated OS resulting in allsorts of usability issues....
>
I use Linux for almost everything and XP just for gaming and the
occassional app that doesn't have a Linux equivalent, like Alcohol120%.
> As for others implying most games aren't written in C++ I would say they
> have never seen a single line of source code from a commercial game. I
> have seen a LOT of game's source code and for some bizarre reason :-)
> they are all in C++ using the direct-x api....
| |
| John Lewis 2006-08-10, 1:22 pm |
| On 10 Aug 2006 01:59:28 -0700, "pc games" <pcgamer23708@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
>OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
>No other part of PC Games have a Monopoly except the OS.
>And this has been the reall "excuse" for STEAM LOVERs to come
>and justify their Master Valve arrogant/monopolistic activity
>with STEAM.
>Why fight against Valve if we are already Microsoft slaves?
>My reply is lets all switch to Linux and be FREE!
>
.... blah, blah....
Do you actually have a life apart from filling these newsgroups
with your inane rantings ?? Do you have a job ? Or are you just an
inmate in some "institution" with access to the Internet ? Or are you
just using the time to ( painfully for the rest of us) practice your
English-language writing skills, using the unfortunate subscribers to
these newsgroups as your guinea-pigs ?
John Lewis
| |
| knight37 2006-08-10, 1:22 pm |
| Bullshit. This entire post [quoted below] is almost pure fallacy.
OpenGL??! Are you kidding me? Games not coded in C??!
The only thing you got right (sort of) is the idea of "VM" but more
appropriately called middleware*. Middleware is a type of API
(sometimes commercially sold, sometimes just written in-house by big
developers) that lets you write code across multiple platforms, such as
having one API to code to for PS2/Xbox/GC/PC and not having to
hand-write your entire game for each platform independently. But even
with middleware there is still a lot of code that has to be custom
written for each platform in the final product.
Examples of sucessful middlware that are commercially available are
RenderWare and Gamebryo, neither of which are available on Linux to my
knowlege. Much middleware is actually written to perform a specific
gaming function, such as physics (Havok) or AI (SpirOps), or just
rendering forests realistically (SpeedTree).
Middlware has to be compiled into native executables for each platform.
It doesn't work like a virtual-machine and you can't run a program that
has been compiled for one platform on another like you can with some
virtual machines, you have to take the original source code and compile
it using middlware libraries specific to the target platform, and then
debug it because it's not going to work 100% the same on all the
platforms.
Please do some research before spouting off about crap you obviously
don't know much about.
* in non-game industries middlelware actually means something
different, I'm talking specifically about the gaming business here.
Rex Ballard wrote:
> pc games wrote:
>
> This would almost be amusing. Most game producing companies do NOT
> code directly to the Microsoft APIs. They have engines, similar to
> Java JVMs, often written in FORTH, VRML, or a other proprietary engines
> which then interpret the "script" of the games.
>
> Electronic Arts, for example, has had one of these engines for Linux
> almost since Linux came out, I think since around 1996.
>
> Keep in mind that when they write one of these games, it typically has
> to run on PS/2, Nintendo, Xbox, Mac, and PC. This is why they use the
> virtual machine. The virtual machine is fairly simple to implement,
> and usually makes calls to OpenGL (since these libraries are intrinsic
> to all of the above platforms).
>
> Appearantly there is an issue involving trademarks and logos that
> prevents most of these companies from shipping the Linux Virtual
> machines on the same CD-Rom or DVD that contains the Microsoft VMs.
> There does not seem to be a problem with including the Nintendo, PS/2,
> or X/Box VMs.
>
> Some commercial versions of Linux include these VMs, and in some cases,
> the VMs can be downloaded directly from the company sites. Is
> addition, many commercial versions of Linux include packages that allow
> Linux to emulate PS/2, Nindendo, and other older game machines, all the
> way back to the Atari 2600 (there's even a CD full of old games for
> that emulator).
>
> Don't assume that just because your favorite game doesn't have a cute
> little tux penguin on the box, that it can't be run on a Linux machine.
> Do a little research, go to the game producer's site. Google to see
> if there is an emulator or VM from that company that will let you play
> that game on Linux.
>
> Almost nobody writes games in low level languages such as C or
> assembler, so it's highly unlikely that your favorite game is truly a
> "Windows XP Only" application. Microsoft's Flight Simulator has always
> been the ultimate test in "Microsoft Compatibility", and even that has
> been rewritten several times in higher and higher level languages and
> higher level abstraction libraries.
>
> Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
> will run Windows-Only PC games? For that kind of money, you can get an
> X-Box or PS/3, and leave your computer for more important things, like
> work, homework, research, things that will actually make a difference
> in your life, that will help you learn more now so you can earn more
> later.
>
> Yes, you might become the highest scoring player in WarCraft-II, but
> what will that get you, a scholarship to Harvard? Would it EVEN get
> you into West Pointe?
>
> If you spent even half the time learning Linux applications, learning
> to program in Perl, Java, and SQL, you could increase your lifetime
> earnings by at least $1 million.
>
> If you spent time engaged in the collaborative process involved in
> developing OSS applications, such that you can function in mutinational
> global organizations and projects, you could increase you lifetime
> earnings by another $1 million.
>
> Or you can just be the 200,000th person to make it to the highest level
> of some video game with the aid of the "cheat sheets".
| |
| Oliver Wong 2006-08-10, 7:25 pm |
|
"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155207861.527763.38910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> many commercial versions of Linux include packages that allow
> Linux to emulate PS/2, Nindendo, and other older game machines, all the
> way back to the Atari 2600 (there's even a CD full of old games for
> that emulator).
PS/2 emulator? As in a PlayStation 2 emulator? I'm very skeptical about
this. Please provide a link. I would be willing to pay $120 for a working
PS2 emulator.
[...]
>
> Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
> will run Windows-Only PC games? For that kind of money, you can get an
> X-Box or PS/3,
Is that a typo (i.e. did you mean PS2 rather than PS3?)? $300 would be
enough to get you a Wii (the cheapest of the next gen systems, at $250USD).
The XBox360 is $400USD. The Playstation 3 will be $600USD when it comes out.
> and leave your computer for more important things, like
> work, homework, research, things that will actually make a difference
> in your life, that will help you learn more now so you can earn more
> later.
>
> Yes, you might become the highest scoring player in WarCraft-II, but
> what will that get you, a scholarship to Harvard? Would it EVEN get
> you into West Pointe?
Research shows that playing video games can improve a surgeon's skills:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/
<quote>
Researchers found that doctors who spent at least three hours a week playing
video games made about 37 percent fewer mistakes in laparoscopic surgery and
performed the task 27 percent faster than their counterparts who did not
play video games.
"I use the same hand-eye coordination to play video games as I use for
surgery," said Dr. James "Butch" Rosser, 49, who demonstrated the results of
his study Tuesday at Beth Israel Medical Center.
</quote>
Obviously, I'm not saying you should drop out of medical school and
focus solely on video games. Rather, I'm saying that the experience you gain
from playing video games is not completely valueless.
- Oliver
| |
|
| "Rex Ballard" wrote
> pc games wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> This would almost be amusing. Most game producing companies do NOT
> code directly to the Microsoft APIs. They have engines, similar to
> Java JVMs, often written in FORTH, VRML, or a other proprietary engines
> which then interpret the "script" of the games.
"FORTH"? - Is this a late April DiFools joke?
| |
| Alan Bernardo 2006-08-10, 7:25 pm |
| Not only are you as dull as furniture last varnished in the 18th Century,
but your premise is faulty. If it be that PC games do not need saving, then
all your long-windedness and dull expostulation was wasted.
PC games are alive and well-- not everything evolves around your STEAM
obsession. My god! What is wrong with you and why on earth are you so
incessantly talking of STEAM this and STEAM that? Did STEAM kidnap your
daughter (or steal your mother, which is more likely)?
I've been gaming on the PC for over 20 years-- seriously. And I've never,
ever, ever, ever (do I repeat myself?) come in contact with your
insufferable STEAM!
So STEAM on out 'f 'ear, and find a fireman truck to play with.
Alanb
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| GrispernMix 2006-08-10, 7:25 pm |
|
> Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
> will run Windows-Only PC games?
If microsoft has its way this might be right.
If they force our hand to pay to play our games then we gotta make
llinux more compatible. Second I dont believe that valve has been
ported to linux at all, and have heard that it may never happen, i
might be wrong, if so prove it.
mrvendetta1.googlepages.com
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| On 2006-08-10, noi wrote:
<Followup to C.O.L.A. removed>
> I use Linux for almost everything and XP just for gaming and the
> occassional app that doesn't have a Linux equivalent, like Alcohol120%.
And in your case, posting to Usenet.
You wintrolls are very easy to recognize. Bugger off.
--
"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
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| Rob Berryhill 2006-08-11, 1:20 am |
| In article <1155200368.325129.58660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
pcgamer23708@yahoo.com says...
> The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
> OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
Since your premise is 100% complete bullshit, the rest of your rant
really doesn't matter. The problem is *NOT* the OS, the problem is the
number of sales are miniscule compared the sales they get from consoles,
so only the most dedicated developers are interested in the market.
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| Michael C. 2006-08-11, 7:19 am |
| On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:19:24 GMT,
Dan C <youmustbejoking@invalid.lan> wrote:
> On 2006-08-10, noi wrote:
>
> <Followup to C.O.L.A. removed>
>
>
> And in your case, posting to Usenet.
>
> You wintrolls are very easy to recognize. Bugger off.
Why would strip off the followup C.O.L.A.? That's where this
thread belongs.
Michael C.
--
mcsuper5@usol.com http://mcsuper5.freeshell.org/
Everything is possible, including the impossible and the absurd.
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| Garrot 2006-08-11, 7:19 am |
| Rex Ballard wrote:
> Besides, do you REALLY need to spend $300 extra to get a machine that
> will run Windows-Only PC games? For that kind of money, you can get an
> X-Box or PS/3, and leave your computer for more important things, like
> work, homework, research, things that will actually make a difference
> in your life, that will help you learn more now so you can earn more
> later.
<yawn>
> Yes, you might become the highest scoring player in WarCraft-II, but
> what will that get you, a scholarship to Harvard? Would it EVEN get
> you into West Pointe?
Who gives a XXXX about pompous schools like Harvard and Wespoint? It's
fun and what you suggest is for pompous twerps. Life isn't just about
doing things for money you sad git.
> If you spent even half the time learning Linux applications, learning
> to program in Perl, Java, and SQL, you could increase your lifetime
> earnings by at least $1 million.
<yawn>
> If you spent time engaged in the collaborative process involved in
> developing OSS applications, such that you can function in mutinational
> global organizations and projects, you could increase you lifetime
> earnings by another $1 million.
<yawn>
> Or you can just be the 200,000th person to make it to the highest level
> of some video game with the aid of the "cheat sheets".
Yes, this is fun. That's why we are posting in this group. And you?
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| Graham Thurlwell 2006-08-29, 7:22 pm |
| On the 10 Aug 2006, "Oliver Wong" <owong@castortech.com> wrote:
>
> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155207861.527763.38910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> PS/2 emulator? As in a PlayStation 2 emulator? I'm very skeptical about
> this. Please provide a link. I would be willing to pay $120 for a working
> PS2 emulator.
He might mean the IBM PS/2 - an old PC from the early 90s (IIRC).
Brought in several new features, but the only one that really caught
on were the PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse.
--
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The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.
nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address!
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| Ivan Marsh 2006-08-29, 7:22 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:08:33 +0100, Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> On the 10 Aug 2006, "Oliver Wong" <owong@castortech.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> He might mean the IBM PS/2 - an old PC from the early 90s (IIRC).
> Brought in several new features, but the only one that really caught on
> were the PS/2 ports for keyboard and mouse.
What about the wonderful micro-channel bus? (For the record that is
sarcasm).
I've heard of a PS/2 (Playstation) emulator that runs under Linux... A
Google first hit for "Playstation 2 emulator" lists three, 2 Windows 1
Windows/Linux, all freeware.
Don't know if any of them work.
--
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.
Feingold-Obama '08 - Because the Constitution isn't history,
It's the law.
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| getrich@1upandup.com 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
| Wake up and smell the pc gaming business. Consoles are becoming more
and more dominant here, taking over more and more niches. Look at your
store shelves and see what is left. Doesn't mean PC gaming won't be
around, just it is smaller and smaller. Companies want to make console
stuff, and downloadable stuff to drive their costs down and their
profits up.
Linux isn't going to help you either. Get over it.
- Richard Hutnik
pc games wrote:
> The biggest problem in PC Games is having a Monopoly in the
> OS and PC Gamers being totally dependant on Microsoft.
> No other part of PC Games have a Monopoly except the OS.
> And this has been the reall "excuse" for STEAM LOVERs to come
> and justify their Master Valve arrogant/monopolistic activity
> with STEAM.
> Why fight against Valve if we are already Microsoft slaves?
> My reply is lets all switch to Linux and be FREE!
>
> The switch to Linux would be the right thing and the best
> and would save us from Microsoft/Valve slavery.
>
> For that the Linux community and the PC Games industry need
> to come together and produce a competitive OS for us.
> (the PC Games industry including developers, publishers and
> hardware manufactures like AMD, Intel, Nvidia and others)
> The result of this collaboration would be a set of APIs any
> distro could use so it would basically make any Linux distro
> be able to play these standard PC Games (Linux based) but at
> the same time another thing had to be made, something that
> would be essential and would be the KEY for the success of
> the usage of Linux among PC Gamers.
>
> The Key for the success of Linux for PC Gamers would be the
> creation of a entirely new distro optimized for Games.
> This entirely new distro for Games would have two versions.
> One light version that would have only the necessary to run
> Games and have the minimal connectivity for online gaming,
> and a full version which would have all what the light one
> had plus everything to make the PC a multi-purpose machine
> but at the core would also be optimizated for games.
> Both would be seen and called Linux distros for gamers.
> The KEY for this success would be making this two versions
> exactly right for what PC Gamers need, specially the light.
> The light version would target:
> . Extremely fast boot time (less than 10 seconds)
> . Extremely small size (less than 100mb)
> . Only the necessary to boot, play games and have minimal
> online connectivity for online gamming.
> . Being able to boot up in many mediums like UBS memory
> sticks, CD-ROM disks, DVD-ROM disks and others
> . Behind able to read/write and even install the boot files
> in file systems compatible to the ones used in DOS/Windows
> universe FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS.
> . The boot itself would be included in every single PC Game
> unit sold cause not only it occupied less than 100mb but
> it only took 10 seconds to boot and cause the games would
> all come in DVD their would be plenty of space.
>
> So just look at a new set of PC Game titles based on this
> new Linux distro optimized for games and running APIs for
> games from Open Standards like OpenGL or OpenAL and every
> game would come in a DVD-ROM bootable with the OS so no
> need for PC Gamers to install nothing and with a boot time
> of less than 10 seconds so they didn't have to wait longer
> than if they would boot from windows and the game would be
> ready to run directly from the DVD with no need to install
> anything.
> For PC Gamers like myself there would be an option to put
> the boot in one of your local disk partitions and boot
> from there by choosing an option in the WinNT/2K/XP boot
> menu and obviously install the full game in your hdd.
> I'm not defending PC Games should only run directly for the
> disk like console do cause that is not at all convinient,
> and would remove one of the big advantages that the PC has
> over consoles. What I'm saying is a PC Game based on Linux
> would run immediately with no need for any install in a
> PC based on Windows so with this many PC Gamers would want
> to try it knowing there system wouldn't be affected.
> Obviously after trying and seeing how much better it was
> they would choose the proper way of playing PC Games that
> would be installing the Linux boot, and the full game all
> in the local hard drive and not use at all the games disk.
>
> Everyone would have something to choose from:
> So newcomers with no Linux would run a PC Game based on
> Linux with no need to install anything cause every PC Game
> based on Linux would come in a DVD with a boot to Linux and
> the game ready to run from the disk.
> The hard-core Linux users could use their own distro for
> playing these PC Games.
> The hard-core PC Gamers would be able to install either
> the small distro and boot and run the games only from the
> HDD or choose the full distro or any other Linux distro.
> Everyone would be included and everyone would have a way
> to play PC Games based on Linux.
> Would this be much better for the PC Game market? I bet
> it would.
> Would it be much better for devs and publishers? I bet it
> would cause they would no longer be dependant on MS and
> would be much more in control
> Would it be much better for hardware manufactures? I bet
> it would cause they wouldn't need to do what MS wants but
> either be themselves to make the choices
> Would it be much better for PC Gamers themselves?
> Definitely!
> A Free OS, or at least much less expensive.
> Being reassured there was no Monopoly
> Being reassured the standards were open and nobody imposed
> anything for their own advantage
> Being reassured there would be freedom and plenty of choice
> cause nobody controlled and everyone could be included
> Being reassured with choice and competition there would be
> much more privacy and consumer rights
> Being reassured that now the PC can do serious competition
> against consoles cause there would be no conflict of interests
>
> And to end would you think with a PC Games based in a Linux
> system, those arrogant greedy monopolistic "I want to be just
> like Microsoft" Valve would ever had a chance to IMPOSE to INFECT
> to SPREAD that disease called STEAM? Oh no they wouldn't! they
> would be dead by now.
>
> --
> post made in a steam-free computer
> i said "NO" to valve and steam
>
> Want Half-Life 2 Retail Boxed version without steam?
> http://www.petitiononline.com/NewHL2SE/
> List of Retail Boxed PC Games with Product Activation
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/pcgprodact.htm
>
> Final score:
> Prey = 5 Half-Life 2 = 0
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/prey5units.jpg
> http://pcgames2006.tripod.com/imgmisc/nobuy.jpg
>
> How does a STEAM LOVER define a pirate?
> Reply: Someone that has bought 5 units of Prey
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| Pez D Spencer 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
|
pc games wrote:
>
> The Key for the success of Linux for PC Gamers would be
for nerds to stop arguing about whether or not it's a toy-ish garage
hobbyist operating system.
it is.
now, maybe if all those hobbyists would stop trying to suck torvalds'
dick 'cause he hacked some unix code 15 years ago and called it his own
os...
nevermind...that's not gonna happen.
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| Linonut 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
| After takin' a swig o' grog, Pez D Spencer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
> for nerds to stop arguing about whether or not it's a toy-ish garage
> hobbyist operating system.
>
> it is.
Say, you just gave me a good idea. A Penguin PEZ dispenser.
I see you are a PEZ dispenser, too. You might want to refill yourself
with candy, not fecal boli.
--
"He's dead, Jim!"
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| flatfish+++ 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:02:19 -0500, Linonut wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Pez D Spencer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>
> Say, you just gave me a good idea. A Penguin PEZ dispenser.
I'll bet it comes in a million pieces you have to assemble yourself, after
reading 10 pages of instructions of course, and has no supported refills
because they haven't reverse engineered that part yet.
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| Pez D Spencer 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
|
flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>
>
> I'll bet it comes in a million pieces you have to assemble yourself, after
> reading 10 pages of instructions of course, and has no supported refills
> because they haven't reverse engineered that part yet.
os comedy is always the funniest...
check out this clip from mst3k on google video...i think it's XXXXin'
hilarious:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...5736948&q=mst3k
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| Linonut 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
| After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:02:19 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>
>
> I'll bet it comes in a million pieces you have to assemble yourself, after
> reading 10 pages of instructions of course, and has no supported refills
> because they haven't reverse engineered that part yet.
No, that would make it a Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
--
Yet another fine product courtesy of Billy Bitrot!
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| Pez D Spencer 2006-09-04, 1:20 pm |
|
Linonut wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>
> No, that would make it a Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
>
> --
> Yet another fine product courtesy of Billy Bitrot!
nice comeback! ZING!
it's amazing to me how linux threads just explode...i figure it's
because most linux hobbyists have so much time on their hands what with
not spending any on shaving or hygiene or exercise or even just moving
out of their mommy's basement.
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| flatfish+++ 2006-09-04, 7:26 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:25:10 -0500, Linonut wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>
> No, that would make it a Microsoft Knowledge Base article.
haha!
It could be that as well!
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| Patrick Grimbergen 2006-09-04, 7:26 pm |
| Pez D Spencer wrote:
>
> Linonut wrote:
>
> nice comeback! ZING!
>
> it's amazing to me how linux threads just explode...i figure it's
> because most linux hobbyists have so much time on their hands what with
> not spending any on shaving or hygiene or exercise or even just moving
> out of their mommy's basement.
nope, I'm in the office, showered, shaved and taking a break...
Why they explode, because it's usually cross-posted to about 15 or so
different linux groups.
Ps. I have no interest in any of this gaming stuff, since Linux here is an
office desktop, so all we need it for is e-mail, internet, wordprocessing,
simple dtp, spreadsheet, database clients etc.
Basically the stuff people use their "home" pc for, plus a bit more... but I
must admit I find myself playing SuperTux sometimes (during breaks, with a
cup of tea)...
--
GrimWeb Sports | Kokott Nederland
http://www.kokott.nl
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| Linonut 2006-09-04, 7:26 pm |
| After takin' a swig o' grog, Pez D Spencer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
> it's amazing to me how linux threads just explode...i figure it's
> because most linux hobbyists have so much time on their hands what with
> not spending any on shaving or hygiene or exercise or even just moving
> out of their mommy's basement.
I'm 49, have a Ph.D., my mom lives about 700 miles away, and I work at a
job where I write Windows code and wear a tie. I'm clean-shaven, clean,
and my rectal hole you could eat off of.
As for exercise, nearly every day I either run, lift weights, or play
soccer.
All you are is a piece of PEZ.
<grin>
P.S. I still drink tooooo much beer, though.
--
Microsoft Word. The word processor that thinks it's smarter than you.
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| Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X 2006-09-05, 1:25 pm |
| Either this guy is from India or the Anti-MSFT virus is spreading...
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