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The New Apple Displays - Thirty Inches!
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| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:11:38 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
>been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
>Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
>
>They work on both Macs and PC through DVI, 30 inches is the largest,
>extreme engineering once again, check out the neck! No more 17", only
>20", 23" and 30"
>
>enjoy!
>
Wow! Apple finally struck a deal with someone to re-brand the third
party's 30" LCD monitors as Apple monitors! Who do you think it was?
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
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| Oxford 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Wow! Apple finally struck a deal with someone to re-brand the third
> party's 30" LCD monitors as Apple monitors! Who do you think it was?
Mayor, always the fool... here's a challenge... why don't you find us
the 30" Display you are talking about. One that has 4 ports, 1 cord, 8
Million Pixels and is under $3299...
As usual, you can't...
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| Senior Linux Advisor 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
> been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
> Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
>
Wow! More overpriced hardware!
Hey, if I get my raise this year, maybe I'll spend it on Mac products,
instead of PC hardware that is just as good and 1/4th the price!
--
w:4
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| MuahMan 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Broksonic.... a cheapo manufacturer from Malaysia.
"Mayor of R'lyeh" <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:04t0e0t0dtv1ntv7b83nibm4gs40dvr66p@
4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:11:38 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>
> Wow! Apple finally struck a deal with someone to re-brand the third
> party's 30" LCD monitors as Apple monitors! Who do you think it was?
>
>
>
> --
> Why settle for the lesser evil?
> Cthulhu for President 2004
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| Quantum Leaper 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Mayor, always the fool... here's a challenge... why don't you find us
> the 30" Display you are talking about. One that has 4 ports, 1 cord, 8
> Million Pixels and is under $3299...
>
> As usual, you can't...
You forgot to include the $599 video card that the 30 inch requires.
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| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:04:24 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Mayor, always the fool... here's a challenge... why don't you find us
>the 30" Display you are talking about. One that has 4 ports, 1 cord, 8
>Million Pixels and is under $3299...
>
>As usual, you can't...
Well since Apple is only buying the LCD screen and electronics from
them and having somone put them in another case its a bit hard to
directly compare prices. Of course the fact that no one is releasing
the price they pay for their LCD screens or the cost to build them
makes the process imposible as well.
As usual we see the Maccie tactic of insisting that people provide
information that they know is unavailable to prove them wrong when
they insist that Apple 'innovated' everything.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
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| Oxford 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Well since Apple is only buying the LCD screen and electronics from
> them and having somone put them in another case its a bit hard to
> directly compare prices. Of course the fact that no one is releasing
> the price they pay for their LCD screens or the cost to build them
> makes the process imposible as well.
> As usual we see the Maccie tactic of insisting that people provide
> information that they know is unavailable to prove them wrong when
> they insist that Apple 'innovated' everything.
as usual, you backed out of your comment... fact is, there isn't a
cheaper monitor with as many features, thanks for clarify that...
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| Oxford 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote:
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> You forgot to include the $599 video card that the 30 inch requires.
yes, and the same card would be required by the pc, so no + or - for
that item...
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| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:36:15 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>as usual, you backed out of your comment... fact is, there isn't a
>cheaper monitor with as many features, thanks for clarify that...
Well if providing facts is what you want to pretend is 'backing out'
then we are in agreement. Like I said before your insistence that I
provide information that you know is unavailable to me to prove my
case shows just howe desperate you are to cling to your belief that
Apple 'innovates' everything.
Now since you seem to believe that this monitor is some kind of unique
item to Apple could you provide me with a website or at least the
mailing address for Apple's LCD factory?
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
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| T. Relyea 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
> been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
> Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
>
> They work on both Macs and PC through DVI, 30 inches is the largest,
> extreme engineering once again, check out the neck! No more 17", only
> 20", 23" and 30"
>
> enjoy!
>
> http://www.apple.com/displays/
>
> http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
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> http://www.apple.com/displays/design.html
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> http://www.apple.com/displays/technology.html
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> http://www.apple.com/displays/digital.html
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> http://www.apple.com/displays/environment.html
Exactly what kind of market do you think is out there for $3,300 monitors?
Let's see here, the last CRT I bought was a flat screen 19" for $145. What
are the changes I would pay $1,300 for a 20" LCD monitor? About zero.
Todd
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| On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:08:22 GMT, Quantum Leaper <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>Oxford wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>You forgot to include the $599 video card that the 30 inch requires.
Unless you're paying '98 prices, $50 is more like it.
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| Oxford 2004-06-28, 7:26 pm |
| "T. Relyea" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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> Exactly what kind of market do you think is out there for $3,300 monitors?
> Let's see here, the last CRT I bought was a flat screen 19" for $145. What
> are the changes I would pay $1,300 for a 20" LCD monitor? About zero.
todd - it's true, apple plays mainly to the high end so you'll see
plenty of them sold to where apple is the strongest... not so much in
the economy space... someday i hope you'll be able to enjoy these high
end monitors 
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| MuahMan 2004-06-28, 7:27 pm |
| I can find no less than a dozen 30" lcd displays for less that have all the
qualifications.
"Oxford" <csma@mac.com> wrote in message
news:jb0Ec.390$bU3.35992@news.uswest.net...
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> as usual, you backed out of your comment... fact is, there isn't a
> cheaper monitor with as many features, thanks for clarify that...
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| Lloyd Parsons 2004-06-28, 7:27 pm |
| In article <L73Ec.4279$0v6.2736@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
<muahman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can find no less than a dozen 30" lcd displays for less that have all the
> qualifications.
>
>
So then it should be easy for you to list a few brands and models, huh?
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| Oxford 2004-06-28, 8:46 pm |
| "MuahMan" <muahman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can find no less than a dozen 30" lcd displays for less that have all the
> qualifications.
then why don't you shed light on these twelve 30" displays...
Again, they have to be under $3,299 and have the same or similar ports,
specs, resolution...
http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
we're waiting...
oxford
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| Tim Smith 2004-06-28, 8:46 pm |
| On 2004-06-28, MuahMan <muahman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can find no less than a dozen 30" lcd displays for less that have all
> the qualifications.
Then post some links. To save you some time, I'll point out now that *none*
of the ones listed at Pricewatch.com qualify (they have far fewer pixels).
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--Tim Smith
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| Heywood Mogroot 2004-06-29, 2:54 am |
| Oxford <csma@mac.com> wrote in message news:<K3_Dc.109$bU3.26883@news.uswest.net>...
> Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
> been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
> Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
it'd be sweet if the 8MP display was 20" we need DPI more than sq in at this point.
I need a working display, not a TV in front of me.
For the money I'd rather have a 20" and a separate DLP for the movies.
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| Alan Baker 2004-06-29, 2:57 am |
| In article
<slrnce16hv.gmq.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:08:22 GMT, Quantum Leaper <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
> Unless you're paying '98 prices, $50 is more like it.
Are you just dreaming, or is it halucinogenic drugs?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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| Sandman 2004-06-29, 8:37 am |
| In article <04t0e0t0dtv1ntv7b83nibm4gs40dvr66p@4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:11:38 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>
> Wow! Apple finally struck a deal with someone to re-brand the third
> party's 30" LCD monitors as Apple monitors! Who do you think it was?
I bet you're going to claim that Microsoft invented the LCD displays, including
the ones at 30", right?
--
Sandman[.net]
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| On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:34:18 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>In article
><slrnce16hv.gmq.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
> TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Are you just dreaming, or is it halucinogenic drugs?
Have you shopped for a video board in the last 5 years? A 30" monitor running
at full resolution (2560x1600) requires 12MB of vram to display true color.
Do you honestly believe that being able to run at 2560x1600x24 requires a
$599 card? Try pulling your head out your XXX and checking where video
board prices have been in the last 5 years.
$50 will buy a gforce4 card w/ 128MB, more than enough for such a display.
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| Alan Baker 2004-06-29, 8:38 am |
| In article
<slrnce2tkv.t2r.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:34:18 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Have you shopped for a video board in the last 5 years? A 30" monitor
> running
> at full resolution (2560x1600) requires 12MB of vram to display true color.
>
> Do you honestly believe that being able to run at 2560x1600x24 requires a
> $599 card? Try pulling your head out your XXX and checking where video
> board prices have been in the last 5 years.
>
> $50 will buy a gforce4 card w/ 128MB, more than enough for such a display.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
You know all about it, and Apple just wanted to help Nvidia market a new
card.
Sure.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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| Tony LoBianco 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| Sandman wrote:
> I bet you're going to claim that Microsoft invented the LCD displays,
> including the ones at 30", right?
>
Microsoft has already patented the concept of /inches/ as a "device for
qualifying units of length, useful for *measuring* things"
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| Oxford 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
>
> Have you shopped for a video board in the last 5 years? A 30" monitor running
> at full resolution (2560x1600) requires 12MB of vram to display true color.
>
> Do you honestly believe that being able to run at 2560x1600x24 requires a
> $599 card? Try pulling your head out your XXX and checking where video
> board prices have been in the last 5 years.
>
> $50 will buy a gforce4 card w/ 128MB, more than enough for such a display.
looks like somebody forgot to watch the keynote on this section... oppps!
why don't you catch up, then report back to us on your little idea...
it's at: 14:15 minutes into the show
http://stream.apple.akadns.net/
thanks!
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| Tim Smith 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| On 2004-06-29, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
> $50 will buy a gforce4 card w/ 128MB, more than enough for such a display.
GeForce4 has a maximum horizontal resolution of 2048. This display supports
2560.
Oops.
--
--Tim Smith
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| Patsy DiNunzio 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:05:46 +0000, Tim Smith wrote:
> On 2004-06-29, TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
>
> GeForce4 has a maximum horizontal resolution of 2048. This display supports
> 2560.
>
> Oops.
Question: I think eventually all this /highend/ video card stuff is going
to go away. My AS-ROCK motherboard came with a Rage Pro DDR with 32MB
*built-in* ! I know that's not quite up to an ATI -- but with a slightly
better chip and some more video RAM -- I think 'high-end' is going to be
the norm for video...
Also, there's a group that's been working on doing the Savage 3-D drives
for X for the last few weeks...I need to check in with them....
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| Oxford wrote:
> Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
> been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
> Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
>
> They work on both Macs and PC through DVI, 30 inches is the largest,
> extreme engineering once again, check out the neck! No more 17", only
> 20", 23" and 30"
>
> enjoy!
Oxford is all happy about that 30", $3300 display he's *not* going to buy,
together with the $600 video card he's *not* going to buy to support it, to
go with that $3K+ dual G5 Mac he's *not* going to buy...
--
Edwin
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| Sandman 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| In article <FQhEc.411$8m6.97@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>
> Oxford is all happy about that 30", $3300 display he's *not* going to buy,
> together with the $600 video card he's *not* going to buy to support it, to
> go with that $3K+ dual G5 Mac he's *not* going to buy...
What about us that WILL buy it?
--
Sandman[.net]
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| Sandman wrote:
> In article <FQhEc.411$8m6.97@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> What about us that WILL buy it?
>
Someone has to prove that idiots exist
--
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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| In article
<slrnce2tkv.t2r.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net>,
TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:34:18 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Have you shopped for a video board in the last 5 years? A 30"
> monitor running at full resolution (2560x1600) requires 12MB of vram
> to display true color.
>
> Do you honestly believe that being able to run at 2560x1600x24
> requires a $599 card? Try pulling your head out your XXX and
> checking where video board prices have been in the last 5 years.
>
> $50 will buy a gforce4 card w/ 128MB, more than enough for such a
> display.
Your conception of how this stuff works seems to be stuck in the world
of analog displays driven by cards in 2D video mode. There are two major
issues you're not talking into account.
First, this display is digital. A 2560x1600 display represents about 12
MB worth of image data, as you say. If the display is operating at
(let's say) 60 Hz, you need 60*12 or 720 MB per second worth of
bandwidth to drive it. Single-link DVI can only provide about 495 MB/s
of bandwidth. You need dual-link DVI. And the card Apple is selling has
*dual* dual-link DVI -- it can drive *two* 30" displays. This card is
capable of producing and transmitting four times as much data as the
cards you're trying to compare it with.
Secondly, 2D video practically doesn't exist in OS X these days. In
Quartz Extreme, every window becomes a texture. This has some huge
benefits (like enabling real-time high-quality compositing with no CPU
overhead), but it's quite demanding on video cards. With OS X (and with
upcoming versions of Windows), it's no longer a matter of a video card
just needing enough video RAM to be able to hold one large bitmap
representing the entire screen. Now, the card should ideally be able to
hold that, *plus* bitmaps representing every open window individually.
It's reasonable to expect that people using a 30" screen will have a
large number of large windows open simultaneously.
--
"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences,
and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences."
-- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004
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| Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Sandman wrote:
>
Who is in that "us?" Nobody who is going "rah rah" for Apple in Mac
advocacy is going to buy it.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Someone has to prove that idiots exist
Thanks for proving you exist.
--
Edwin
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| Steve Hix 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| > In article <04t0e0t0dtv1ntv7b83nibm4gs40dvr66p@4ax.com>,[vbcol=seagreen]
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's not *quite* how it works. "Re-branding" usually doesn't include
changing the case, upgrading (or replacing) the interface and drive
electronics, etc.
[vbcol=seagreen]
Probably LG/Phillips; they're producing a lot of leading-edge LCD gear.
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| Oxford 2004-06-29, 5:49 pm |
| "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> Oxford is all happy about that 30", $3300 display he's *not* going to buy,
> together with the $600 video card he's *not* going to buy to support it, to
> go with that $3K+ dual G5 Mac he's *not* going to buy...
ah, but my clients buy plenty of them, just set up a new G5 minutes ago,
the these new monitors will follow in august... but no, i could careless
about having one personally, i'm gearing up for a g5 imac with 20",
that's plenty for what i need...
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| On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:52:50 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> wrote:
>"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>ah, but my clients buy plenty of them, just set up a new G5 minutes ago,
>the these new monitors will follow in august... but no, i could careless
I on the other hand, couldn't care less.
>about having one personally, i'm gearing up for a g5 imac with 20",
>that's plenty for what i need...
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| In article <sehix-A35524.13471429062004@news-east.dca.giganews.com>,
Steve Hix <sehix@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
>
> That's not *quite* how it works. "Re-branding" usually doesn't include
> changing the case, upgrading (or replacing) the interface and drive
> electronics, etc.
In any case, the implication of the re-branding claims is that Apple
screens aren't any better than screens sold by the competition. That's
not necessarily true. LCD panels are one of those items where there can
be significant variations from one panel to the next rolling of the same
assembly line. Jobs strongly implied yesterday that Apple is more strict
about which panels it accepts than other companies.
We're not just talking about dead pixels here. We're also talking about
things like color rendering.
>
> Probably LG/Phillips; they're producing a lot of leading-edge LCD gear.
--
"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences,
and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences."
-- George W. Bush on Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004
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| Ruel Smith 2004-06-29, 8:43 pm |
| Steve Hix wrote:
>
> That's not *quite* how it works. "Re-branding" usually doesn't include
> changing the case, upgrading (or replacing) the interface and drive
> electronics, etc.
>
>
> Probably LG/Phillips; they're producing a lot of leading-edge LCD gear.
Apple announced quite sometime ago that it was partnering with LG to make
displays. I assume they still use them.
--
The manual said to install Windows 2000 or better...
So I installed SuSE Linux 9.1!
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| Robert Stankowic 2004-06-30, 7:47 am |
|
"Oxford" <csma@mac.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:K3_Dc.109$bU3.26883@news.uswest.net...
> Below are all the links on the long awaited Apple Displays. These have
> been 3-4 years in the making, 2 USB 2.0, 2 FireWire ports on the
> Monitor, only 1 Cable out the back... sweet!
>
> They work on both Macs and PC through DVI, 30 inches is the largest,
> extreme engineering once again, check out the neck! No more 17", only
> 20", 23" and 30"
The new apple users: rectangular pupills.
enjoy.
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| Oxford wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> ah, but my clients buy plenty of them,
So you sucker other people into buying Macs, you don't put your own money
where your mouth is. Gotcha.
>just set up a new G5 minutes
> ago, the these new monitors will follow in august... but no, i could
> careless about having one personally, i'm gearing up for a g5 imac
> with 20", that's plenty for what i need...
How much commision do you need from your suckers^H^H^H^H^H clients before
they buy a Mac for you? I ask for information only...
--
Edwin
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| Edwin wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> Who is in that "us?" Nobody who is going "rah rah" for Apple in Mac
> advocacy is going to buy it.
>
>
> Thanks for proving you exist.
The above sentence should be directed at Sandman, not Peter. I have Sandman
kill filed, and I confused Peter's response to Sandman as being directed at
me.
--
Edwin
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| Oxford 2004-06-30, 5:51 pm |
| "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> How much commision do you need from your suckers^H^H^H^H^H clients before
> they buy a Mac for you? I ask for information only...
what??? i don't sell them, i just advise, setup and answer questions, no
commission for me, just $100 an hour is fine... if you need advice I'm
sure i could even help you edwin
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| Oxford wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> what??? i don't sell them, i just advise, setup and answer questions,
> no commission for me, just $100 an hour is fine... if you need advice
> I'm sure i could even help you edwin
Mac buyers need to pay you $100 an hour to advise them and to set up their
Macs? This sure runs contrary to the standard Maccie mythos...
--
Edwin
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| Cyscedelic Porsche 2004-06-30, 5:52 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> what??? i don't sell them, i just advise, setup and answer questions, no
> commission for me, just $100 an hour is fine... if you need advice I'm
> sure i could even help you edwin
http://www.mac-sucks.com/
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| Oxford 2004-06-30, 5:52 pm |
| "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> Mac buyers need to pay you $100 an hour to advise them and to set up their
> Macs? This sure runs contrary to the standard Maccie mythos...
yep! and that allows me to only work 2 hours a day... another great
thing about the mac... super high productivity!
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| Alan Baker 2004-06-30, 5:52 pm |
| In article <05HEc.174$164.29916@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <csma@mac.com>
wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> yep! and that allows me to only work 2 hours a day... another great
> thing about the mac... super high productivity!
Works for me too! (Although, I'm not getting $100 and hour...
....hmmm....)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
|
| Oxford wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> yep! and that allows me to only work 2 hours a day... another great
> thing about the mac... super high productivity!
I don't need to pay anyone $100 an hour to set up a PC and advise me how to
run it. Thanks for the heads up. I'm staying away from Macs for sure...
Geez, what do those $100/hour payments do to TCO? *shudder*
--
Edwin
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| In article <viWEc.4959$pP4.3792@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>
> I don't need to pay anyone $100 an hour to set up a PC and advise me how to
> run it. Thanks for the heads up. I'm staying away from Macs for sure...
> Geez, what do those $100/hour payments do to TCO? *shudder*
Lot's of people do.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
|
| "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
alangbaker-44F295.09004601072004@news.telus.net on 7/1/04 9:00 AM:
> In article <viWEc.4959$pP4.3792@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lot's of people do.
I, too, charge people to fix their computers and to train them - I make a
lot more money, on average, from my Windows customer than my Mac.
--
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news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:00:46 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <viWEc.4959$pP4.3792@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>Lot's of people do.
So much for the Maccie myth that Macs are so easy to use that anyone
can figure them out. Apparently its so difficult that people are
willing to pay $100/hr to have someone teach them.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> So much for the Maccie myth that Macs are so easy to use that anyone
> can figure them out. Apparently its so difficult that people are
> willing to pay $100/hr to have someone teach them.
nope, there is a whole class of people that want zero to do with
computing and wealthy enough to have these services... it's just like a
private gardner or private chef... growing plants and preparing fine
meals is part art / part hard work... i'm a private mac guy and that's
fine with me...
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| In article <fRXEc.13$Uz5.17680@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <csma@mac.com>
wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, there is a whole class of people that want zero to do with
> computing and wealthy enough to have these services... it's just like a
> private gardner or private chef... growing plants and preparing fine
> meals is part art / part hard work... i'm a private mac guy and that's
> fine with me...
Yup!
They don't even want to do the things that I know they could easily do,
and I've stopped trying to convince them. <g>
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| Kodachrome 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:28:42 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, there is a whole class of people that want zero to do with
> computing and wealthy enough to have these services... it's just like a
> private gardner or private chef... growing plants and preparing fine
> meals is part art / part hard work... i'm a private mac guy and that's
> fine with me...
To me, it's more like the guy who has so much money that he can afford a
1986 Jaguar and have it in the shop 90 percent of the year, afford
expensive and hard to find parts, shoddy workmanship, low quality, hard to
use -- all just to show that he is so rich that the Jag will not break him.
| |
| Quantum Leaper 2004-07-01, 5:49 pm |
| Snit wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
> alangbaker-44F295.09004601072004@news.telus.net on 7/1/04 9:00 AM:
>
>
> I, too, charge people to fix their computers and to train them - I
> make a lot more money, on average, from my Windows customer than my
> Mac.
True, since there are more Windows machines than Macs, it would make sense
then you would have more Windows customers.
| |
|
| Oxford wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, there is a whole class of people that want zero to do with
> computing and wealthy enough to have these services... it's just like
> a private gardner or private chef... growing plants and preparing fine
> meals is part art / part hard work... i'm a private mac guy and that's
> fine with me...
When the same services are needed by folks with PCs, you guys automatically
assume its because PCs are difficult, and you wouldn't accept the kind of
story you just told above.
So your story should be rejected for Macs as well.
Macs are too difficult, that's why they need $100/hour support. Case
closed.
--
Edwin
| |
|
|
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-02, 8:58 pm |
| On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:25:48 GMT, Kodachrome <true.colors@true.colors>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:28:42 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>
>
>To me, it's more like the guy who has so much money that he can afford a
>1986 Jaguar and have it in the shop 90 percent of the year, afford
>expensive and hard to find parts, shoddy workmanship, low quality, hard to
>use -- all just to show that he is so rich that the Jag will not break him.
The best part is that these people are usually the limousine liberal
types who claim that people making $40,000 and raising a family are
keeping too much of their money.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Quantum Leaper 2004-07-02, 8:59 pm |
| Snit wrote:
> "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> ui%Ec.9288$MB3.6528@attbi_s04 on 7/1/04 2:24 PM:
>
> Perhaps these will help you:
>
> http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi...=1&word=average
>
> http://www.statlets.com/usermanual/glossary.htm
>
> http://www.bigcities.govt.nz/definitions.htm
404s on two of them and the other is a definition of 'Average', which has
nothing to do with what my comment was about...
Did you mean per customer or the number of customers? You post wasn't that
clear, and your response was even worse....
More Windows customers, you would make more money on Windows customers,
than you would with Macs.
I guess you must mean you spend more time with Windows customers, but that
show more about your ability than anything else...
| |
|
| "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote in
m64Fc.11005$Oq2.8381@attbi_s52 on 7/1/04 7:53 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>
> 404s on two of them and the other is a definition of 'Average', which has
> nothing to do with what my comment was about...
Ok, I was being a bit rude, but the point was that when I said I make more
money, *on average*, from my Win customers I meant per customer. People who
use Windows tend to call me more often, and my time with them tends to be
longer.
> Did you mean per customer or the number of customers? You post wasn't that
> clear, and your response was even worse....
> More Windows customers, you would make more money on Windows customers,
> than you would with Macs.
> I guess you must mean you spend more time with Windows customers, but that
> show more about your ability than anything else...
I spend more time with Windows customers - as do most others in the
industry. On a Mac you do not have to spend time fighting malware - that in
itself speeds things up a lot.
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-02, 8:59 pm |
| Kodachrome <true.colors@true.colors> wrote:
>
> To me, it's more like the guy who has so much money that he can afford a
> 1986 Jaguar and have it in the shop 90 percent of the year, afford
> expensive and hard to find parts, shoddy workmanship, low quality, hard to
> use -- all just to show that he is so rich that the Jag will not break him.
for everyone of those are 10 that have money and know how to use it...
just made $300 tonight alone from some doctor that drove 90 miles just
to see me... life is good in the macworld...
oxford
-
| |
|
| "Oxford" <csma@mac.com> wrote in 9u5Fc.139$aq.111016@news.uswest.net on
7/1/04 9:26 PM:
> Kodachrome <true.colors@true.colors> wrote:
>
>
> for everyone of those are 10 that have money and know how to use it...
> just made $300 tonight alone from some doctor that drove 90 miles just
> to see me... life is good in the macworld...
He drove that far just to *see* you.
You must be one handsome devil!
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-02, 8:59 pm |
| On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:26:42 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Kodachrome <true.colors@true.colors> wrote:
>
>
>for everyone of those are 10 that have money and know how to use it...
>just made $300 tonight alone from some doctor that drove 90 miles just
>to see me... life is good in the macworld...
>
>oxford
>
>-
Why didn't you explain to him that Macs are so easy to use that he
could figure it out himself with minimal effort...oh wait...you've
already confessed to that being a lie. Never mind.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| David Fritzinger 2004-07-02, 8:59 pm |
| In article <fRXEc.13$Uz5.17680@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <csma@mac.com>
wrote:
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, there is a whole class of people that want zero to do with
> computing and wealthy enough to have these services... it's just like a
> private gardner or private chef... growing plants and preparing fine
> meals is part art / part hard work... i'm a private mac guy and that's
> fine with me...
Just as an aside, at the real estate firm my wife works at, most of the
agents use PCs. There are a few Maccies there (indeed, for some reason,
most of the male agents use Macs, while the females use PCs), but the
majority do use PCs The PC support person fixes PCs, but uses Macs for
his own work. Says he hates PCs, but they pay the rent...
--
Dave Fritzinger
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
> He drove that far just to *see* you.
>
> You must be one handsome devil!
actually it was an irish redhead with accent and all... sweet deal if
you can get it...
| |
| Quantum Leaper 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| Snit wrote:
> "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> m64Fc.11005$Oq2.8381@attbi_s52 on 7/1/04 7:53 PM:
>
>
> Ok, I was being a bit rude, but the point was that when I said I make
> more money, *on average*, from my Win customers I meant per customer.
> People who use Windows tend to call me more often, and my time with
> them tends to be longer.
>
I wasn't sure which way you meant it, thats what my comment was about....
>
> I spend more time with Windows customers - as do most others in the
> industry. On a Mac you do not have to spend time fighting malware -
> that in itself speeds things up a lot.
I agree with you there, when I use to fix Windows machines, 40% of the
time it was a Virus or some other Malware problem. The funny this is the
worst problem I ever had wasn't a software problem but a flakey PCI slot
(the first 2 slots were bad), the modem would work sometimes, but most to
the time it wouldn't, moving the modem fixed the problem. Diagostics on the
modem said it was working fine but it simply would not dial out.
If Microsoft ever fixes those problems Linux is going to have a harder time
getting people to switch, their Desktop machine to Linux, unlike the Server
side of things. Most people don't switch OSes ever or even upgrade to a
different version of the OS. The problem is Macs aren't really in the
picture anymore, I never really like the OS but I know some who did...
| |
|
|
"Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:Ov4Ec.18089$bs4.15194@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> On 2004-06-28, MuahMan <muahman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Then post some links. To save you some time, I'll point out now that
*none*
> of the ones listed at Pricewatch.com qualify (they have far fewer pixels).
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...e&s=electronics
Samsung SyncMaster 323T 32" LCD Monitor (Black)
Price: $2,699.99
Color: Black
Panel type: a-si TFT/PVA
Display size: 32 inches
Diagonal viewable screen size: 32 inches
Dot pitch: 0.537 mm
Contrast ratio: 500:1
Aspect: 16:9
Glass surface: Anti-glare
Horizontal viewing angle: 170 degrees
Vertical viewing angle: 170 degrees
Response time: 23 ms
Brightness: 450 cd/m2
Input signals: Analog RGB, DVI Digital Link, CVBS, S-Video, Component Video
Video level: Analog : 0.7VP-P; Digital: TMDS
Sync type: Separate H/V
Input connector/cable: 15pin D-Sub, DVI-D, S-Video, BNC (video), BNC
(component 2)
Maximum non-interlaced resolution: 1280 x 768
Horizontal frequency: 30-70 (Analog); 30-63 (Digital)
Vertical frequency: 50-85
Bandwidth: 90 MHz
Regulations: UL 1950, CSA, TUV, NEMKO, EK, CCIB, PSB, GOST, SIQ, PCBC, NOM,
IRAM, SASO, FCC, CE, MPR II, VCCI, MIC, BSMI, C-TICK, TUV GS, TCO '99
Wall mount: Optional kit available
Power: 150 watts
Plug and play: DDC 2B
Colors: 16.7 million
Width: 30.9 inches
Height: 21.6 inches
Depth: 3.9 inches
Weight: 41 pounds (approx)
Shipping weight: 50 pounds (approx)
Warranty, parts: 3 years, including backlight
Warranty, labor: 3 years, including backlight
In the box: 323T, remote control, power cable, set up card, user's manual,
warranty info
--
Edwin
| |
|
| "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote in
wVfFc.14254$Oq2.13986@attbi_s52 on 7/2/04 9:18 AM:
> Snit wrote:
> I wasn't sure which way you meant it, thats what my comment was about....
Fair enough - with my apologies. I have been going 'round and 'round with a
particularly nasty troll and have gotten used to people purposely
"misunderstanding" ideas just to try to back up their lies. You clearly
were not doing that - as clearly as the troll is. My mistake.
>
>
> I agree with you there, when I use to fix Windows machines, 40% of the
> time it was a Virus or some other Malware problem. The funny this is the
> worst problem I ever had wasn't a software problem but a flakey PCI slot
> (the first 2 slots were bad), the modem would work sometimes, but most to
> the time it wouldn't, moving the modem fixed the problem. Diagostics on the
> modem said it was working fine but it simply would not dial out.
I have been working with a machine that has no sound out - all the
diagnostics say it is fine. Hmmm, at the same school I have the same thing
with an Ethernet card - though that is on Win 98 and I think it is a
software problem (two separate cards do the same thing).
> If Microsoft ever fixes those problems Linux is going to have a harder time
> getting people to switch, their Desktop machine to Linux, unlike the Server
> side of things. Most people don't switch OSes ever or even upgrade to a
> different version of the OS. The problem is Macs aren't really in the
> picture anymore, I never really like the OS but I know some who did...
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| In article <EhkFc.254$rQ7.11@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> "Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov4Ec.18089$bs4.15194@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> *none*
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t..._sbs_e_2/002-54
> 52178-0951230?v=glance&s=electronics
>
> Samsung SyncMaster 323T 32" LCD Monitor (Black)
>
> Price: $2,699.99
Yes, yes. All very interesting. Now let's look at what you left out:
"Availability: Usually ships in 1-2 business days from TigerDirect.
5 used & new from $2,699.99"
"5 used & new *from* $2,699.99"
Do you suppose that it's only the *used* ones that are available at
$2,699.99; given that the list price for the monitors is...
$4,799.99!
^^^^^^^^^^
BTW: tigerdirect.com gives this response when you actually search for
that model:
<http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...h.asp?keywords=
Samsung+SyncMaster+323T&image1.x=8&image1.y=7>
"We're Sorry. Your search for Samsung SyncMaster 323T is currently not
available."
LOL
>
> Color: Black
> Panel type: a-si TFT/PVA
> Display size: 32 inches
> Diagonal viewable screen size: 32 inches
> Dot pitch: 0.537 mm
> Contrast ratio: 500:1
> Aspect: 16:9
> Glass surface: Anti-glare
> Horizontal viewing angle: 170 degrees
> Vertical viewing angle: 170 degrees
> Response time: 23 ms
> Brightness: 450 cd/m2
> Input signals: Analog RGB, DVI Digital Link, CVBS, S-Video, Component Video
> Video level: Analog : 0.7VP-P; Digital: TMDS
> Sync type: Separate H/V
> Input connector/cable: 15pin D-Sub, DVI-D, S-Video, BNC (video), BNC
> (component 2)
> Maximum non-interlaced resolution: 1280 x 768
> Horizontal frequency: 30-70 (Analog); 30-63 (Digital)
> Vertical frequency: 50-85
> Bandwidth: 90 MHz
> Regulations: UL 1950, CSA, TUV, NEMKO, EK, CCIB, PSB, GOST, SIQ, PCBC, NOM,
> IRAM, SASO, FCC, CE, MPR II, VCCI, MIC, BSMI, C-TICK, TUV GS, TCO '99
> Wall mount: Optional kit available
> Power: 150 watts
> Plug and play: DDC 2B
> Colors: 16.7 million
> Width: 30.9 inches
> Height: 21.6 inches
> Depth: 3.9 inches
> Weight: 41 pounds (approx)
> Shipping weight: 50 pounds (approx)
> Warranty, parts: 3 years, including backlight
> Warranty, labor: 3 years, including backlight
> In the box: 323T, remote control, power cable, set up card, user's manual,
> warranty info
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| MR_ED_of_Course 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| in article EhkFc.254$rQ7.11@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com, Edwin at
thorne25@juno.com wrote on 7/2/04 2:17 PM:
>
> "Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov4Ec.18089$bs4.15194@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> *none*
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t..._sbs_e_2/002-54
> 52178-0951230?v=glance&s=electronics
>
> Samsung SyncMaster 323T 32" LCD Monitor (Black)
>
> Price: $2,699.99
>
[snip]
> Maximum non-interlaced resolution: 1280 x 768
[snip]
Hey, look! It's the Goodyear blimp!
And where are the USB/FireWire ports?
| |
|
|
"Oxford" <csma@mac.com> wrote in message
news:Yk4Ec.708$bU3.51244@news.uswest.net...
> "MuahMan" <muahman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
the[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> then why don't you shed light on these twelve 30" displays...
>
> Again, they have to be under $3,299 and have the same or similar ports,
> specs, resolution...
>
> http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html
>
> we're waiting...
http://www.studioexperience.com/sup...EPD3000-000.pdf
http://www.avdeals.com/infocuslcd/td30.htm
http://www.audiorevolution.com/equi..._widescreen_tv/
http://www.videopro.com.au/retail/p...&ProductID=1274
http://www.avdeals.com/neclcd/lcd3000.htm
http://www.shophiq.com/lcd3000.html
http://www.monitoroutlet.com/M10006.html
http://www.monitoroutlet.com/999774.html
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...oc=TVCS30&s=dhs
http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...ay_30W-XGA.html
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1601473,00.asp
http://products.gateway.com/product...sm42ubtv&seg=hm
GatewayT 42-inch Ultrabright Plasma TV
$2,399.99
Value Plus Service Plan-1Yr limited parts/labor/support2
VGA, DVI In, RS-232
NTSC RF antenna, Composite Video, Component Video (2), S-Video, audio-in
(6), audio-out, subwoofer
42" Ultrabright Plasma TV Screen
Plasma TV Table Stand
IR Remote Control
Integrated NTSC Tuner
Internal Stereo Amplification
http://products.gateway.com/product...=lcd30tv&seg=hm
GatewayT 30-inch HD-Ready LCD TV Display: $2,999.99
1 year limited parts/labor/mail-in/no on-site2
Inputs: FaroudjaT Enhanced DVD input, Progressive Component HD Input,
Composite, S-Video, DVI, VGA, Audio
PC Audio Outputs: Headpohones, PC Audio
30" LCD widescreen TV
IR Remote Control
Integrated NTSC Tuner
Gateway 30" LCD External Speakers
--
Edwin
| |
| Sandman 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| In article <EhkFc.254$rQ7.11@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>, "Edwin"
<thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...U/ref=pd_sbs_e_
> 2/002-54 52178-0951230?v=glance&s=electronics
>
> Samsung SyncMaster 323T 32" LCD Monitor (Black)
>
> Price: $2,699.99
>
> Color: Black Panel type: a-si TFT/PVA Display size: 32 inches Diagonal
> viewable screen size: 32 inches Dot pitch: 0.537 mm Contrast ratio:
> 500:1 Aspect: 16:9 Glass surface: Anti-glare Horizontal viewing angle:
> 170 degrees Vertical viewing angle: 170 degrees Response time: 23 ms
> Brightness: 450 cd/m2 Input signals: Analog RGB, DVI Digital Link,
> CVBS, S-Video, Component Video Video level: Analog : 0.7VP-P; Digital:
> TMDS Sync type: Separate H/V Input connector/cable: 15pin D-Sub,
> DVI-D, S-Video, BNC (video), BNC (component 2) Maximum non-interlaced
> resolution: 1280 x 768
1280x768!? Haha! That's smaller than my -POWERBOOK-
This is a plasma-screen option, not a computer screen option.
--
Sandman[.net]
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| In article <fEkFc.257$Au7.0@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> "Oxford" <csma@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:Yk4Ec.708$bU3.51244@news.uswest.net...
> the
Resolution of the 30" Apple Cinema Display: 2560 x 1600[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> http://www.studioexperience.com/sup...EPD3000-000.pdf
"Resolution: WXGA, 1280 x 768
Not even close.
> http://www.avdeals.com/infocuslcd/td30.htm
Ditto
> http://www.audiorevolution.com/equi..._widescreen_tv/
Ditto
> http://www.videopro.com.au/retail/p...&ProductID=1274
Ditto
> http://www.avdeals.com/neclcd/lcd3000.htm
Ditto
> http://www.shophiq.com/lcd3000.html
Ditto
> http://www.monitoroutlet.com/M10006.html
Ditto
> http://www.monitoroutlet.com/999774.html
Ditto
> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...c=6V654&l=en&oc
> =TVCS30&s=dhs
Ditto
> http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...jU2M/mic/Comput
> er_Consumer_Electronics_30-inch_LCD_Display_30W-XGA.html
Ditto
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1601473,00.asp
Ditto
> http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=plsm42u
> btv&seg=hm
>
> GatewayT 42-inch Ultrabright Plasma TV
>
> $2,399.99
>
> Value Plus Service Plan-1Yr limited parts/labor/support2
> VGA, DVI In, RS-232
> NTSC RF antenna, Composite Video, Component Video (2), S-Video, audio-in
> (6), audio-out, subwoofer
> 42" Ultrabright Plasma TV Screen
> Plasma TV Table Stand
> IR Remote Control
> Integrated NTSC Tuner
> Internal Stereo Amplification
This one's even worse.
What you left out (deliberately?): Pixel resolution: 852 x 480
A joke.
>
> http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=lcd30tv
> &seg=hm
>
> GatewayT 30-inch HD-Ready LCD TV Display: $2,999.99
> 1 year limited parts/labor/mail-in/no on-site2
> Inputs: FaroudjaT Enhanced DVD input, Progressive Component HD Input,
> Composite, S-Video, DVI, VGA, Audio
> PC Audio Outputs: Headpohones, PC Audio
> 30" LCD widescreen TV
> IR Remote Control
> Integrated NTSC Tuner
> Gateway 30" LCD External Speakers
Were you not at least bright and curious enough to see why a 42" might
be less expensive than a 30"?
Resolution: 1280 x 768.
The best you can find are only *half* the resolution of the Apple
display.
Well done, Edwin!
LOL
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| Steve Carroll 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
| In article <BD0B1F72.56E10%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Quantum Leaper" <leaper@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> wVfFc.14254$Oq2.13986@attbi_s52 on 7/2/04 9:18 AM:
>
>
> Fair enough - with my apologies. I have been going 'round and 'round with a
> particularly nasty troll and have gotten used to people purposely
> "misunderstanding" ideas just to try to back up their lies. You clearly
> were not doing that - as clearly as the troll is. My mistake.
What about all the regulars that have killfiled you because of your
bullshit (approx 1/3 of them)? Have they all 'purposely misunderstood'
you, too? The rest of them haven't kill-filed you (yet) but most all of
them have commented on what a disingenuous, lying, piece of shit you
are. Can they ALL be wrong while you are 'right'? How does that work,
Mikey?
--
"I may just be the primary topic of this group". - Michael Glasser (AKA Snit)
--
Steve C
| |
|
|
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-741ED9.15353002072004@news.telus.net...
> In article <fEkFc.257$Au7.0@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
all[vbcol=seagreen]
ports,[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Resolution of the 30" Apple Cinema Display: 2560 x 1600
>
> "Resolution: WXGA, 1280 x 768
>
> Not even close.
>
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
http://www.videopro.com.au/retail/p...&ProductID=1274[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...c=6V654&l=en&oc[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Ditto
>
http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...jU2M/mic/Comput[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Ditto
>
>
> Ditto
>
http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=plsm42u[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> This one's even worse.
>
> What you left out (deliberately?): Pixel resolution: 852 x 480
>
> A joke.
>
http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=lcd30tv[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Were you not at least bright and curious enough to see why a 42" might
> be less expensive than a 30"?
>
> Resolution: 1280 x 768.
>
> The best you can find are only *half* the resolution of the Apple
> display.
>
> Well done, Edwin!
>
> LOL
I merely presented Apple's competiton, for comparision. I offered no
comentary on which was better, as I thought the readers could see that for
themselves.
Try to avoid reading things into my posts that I didn't write, in the
future. Thank you.
--
Edwin
| |
|
| "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
fretwizz-428FDE.16495102072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/2/04 3:49 PM:
> In article <BD0B1F72.56E10%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
> Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>
> What about all the regulars that have killfiled you because of your
> bullshit (approx 1/3 of them)? Have they all 'purposely misunderstood'
> you, too? The rest of them haven't kill-filed you (yet) but most all of
> them have commented on what a disingenuous, lying, piece of shit you
> are. Can they ALL be wrong while you are 'right'? How does that work,
> Mikey?
Huh? You do realize this is csma, right?
Sigh... probably not.
You *need* one of my classes!
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
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| Steve Carroll 2004-07-02, 9:00 pm |
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In article <BD0B35BB.56E6D%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
> fretwizz-428FDE.16495102072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/2/04 3:49 PM:
>
>
> Huh? You do realize this is csma, right?
Yup... just like I realize that you care not for your own credibility.
And we both know why you started spouting this... because you have so
completely trashed it you no longer have a need to care. Sorry, I don't
subscribe to your theory that, because this is only a NG, you can treat
others any way you wish. When I am dealing with trolls like this (like
YOU) I give them what they deserve.
> Sigh... probably not.
>
> You *need* one of my classes!
Why? I can lie like you if I wanted to... I simply choose not to.
--
"I may just be the primary topic of this group". - Michael Glasser (AKA Snit)
--
Steve C
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-02, 9:01 pm |
| "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t..._sbs_e_2/002-54
> 52178-0951230?v=glance&s=electronics
>
> Samsung SyncMaster 323T 32" LCD Monitor (Black)
>
> Price: $2,699.99
yes, but you are looking at the street price, NOT what Samsung sells it
for...
List price is $4,399
Try again edwin...
| |
|
|
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-02, 9:01 pm |
| On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:16:07 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>yes, but you are looking at the street price, NOT what Samsung sells it
>for...
>
>List price is $4,399
>
>Try again edwin...
One seldom gets to see true stupidity on display.
I'll type this slowly so you can keep up, Oxford. 8)
Street price is the price people shopping actually pay.
List price is the price the manufacturer suggests retailers sell the
product at. Almost no one sells products at list price.
Take a look at
:http://shopper.cnet.com/ Samsung_Sy...0607739.html?q=
Notice that the page lists several vendors and the price each one is
charging for the monitor. Notice that all of them are much closer to
the price that Edwin quoted than the one you quoted. Being a Maccie
its natural for you to assume that price gouging is normal. Its not.
People with a clue don't generally tolerate it.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-02, 9:01 pm |
| In article <mFlFc.154$VF6.42@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-741ED9.15353002072004@news.telus.net...
> all
> ports,
> http://www.videopro.com.au/retail/p...&ProductID=1274
> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...c=6V654&l=en&oc
> http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...jU2M/mic/Comput
> http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=plsm42u
> http://products.gateway.com/product...stem_id=lcd30tv
>
> I merely presented Apple's competiton, for comparision. I offered no
> comentary on which was better, as I thought the readers could see that for
> themselves.
>
> Try to avoid reading things into my posts that I didn't write, in the
> future. Thank you.
But that's the point, Edwin. There competition in diagonal *size* only.
You might as well compare computers by the size of the enclosure they
come in.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-02, 9:01 pm |
| In article <mFlFc.154$VF6.42@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-741ED9.15353002072004@news.telus.net...
> all
> ports,
<snip a whole bunch of displays that don't have "similar specs", as
originally requested>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> I merely presented Apple's competiton, for comparision. I offered no
> comentary on which was better, as I thought the readers could see that for
> themselves.
>
> Try to avoid reading things into my posts that I didn't write, in the
> future. Thank you.
But that's the point, Edwin. There competition in diagonal *size* only.
You might as well compare computers by the size of the enclosure they
come in.
The post to which you replied specifically asked for "similar specs".
Those didn't *have* similar specs.
Perhaps you need to simply read the post to which you're replying.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| In article <fVmFc.566$oj4.33870@news.uswest.net>, Oxford <csma@mac.com>
wrote:
> "Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> yes, but you are looking at the street price, NOT what Samsung sells it
> for...
>
> List price is $4,399
>
> Try again edwin...
And it's only 1280 x 768 resolution...
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
|
| "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
fretwizz-DCD0E6.17545302072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/2/04 4:55 PM:
> In article <BD0B35BB.56E6D%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
> Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yup... just like I realize that you care not for your own credibility.
I do not care what some of the csma trolls think - but I do enjoy pointing
out their lies. This offends you.
Gee, wonder why.
> And we both know why you started spouting this... because you have so
> completely trashed it you no longer have a need to care.
Your comments there lack logic. Just wanted you to know. I doubt you will
either be able to understand why or care.
> Sorry, I don't subscribe to your theory that, because this is only a NG, you
> can treat others any way you wish.
Wow! You are attributing your own ideas to me again. What a shock!
> When I am dealing with trolls like this (like YOU) I give them what they
> deserve.
Well, it is clear you do not think I deserve honest answers to questions.
See, I give you honest answers and it pisses you off. Big difference in the
way we see things.
>
>
> Why?
I do not expect you to understand. You do not seem to know enough to know
how much you do not know.
> I can lie like you if I wanted to... I simply choose not to.
I am sitting.
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Sandman 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| In article <mFlFc.154$VF6.42@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"Edwin" <thorne25@juno.com> wrote:
>
> I merely presented Apple's competiton, for comparision. I offered no
> comentary on which was better, as I thought the readers could see that for
> themselves.
These -TVs- aren't in competition with Apples -Computer Displays-, Edwin.
--
Sandman[.net]
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
> One seldom gets to see true stupidity on display.
> I'll type this slowly so you can keep up, Oxford. 8)
> Street price is the price people shopping actually pay.
> List price is the price the manufacturer suggests retailers sell the
> product at. Almost no one sells products at list price.
> Take a look at
> :http://shopper.cnet.com/ Samsung_Sy...>
isplay___TFT_
> :__32_/4014-3174_9-30607739.html?q=
> Notice that the page lists several vendors and the price each one is
> charging for the monitor. Notice that all of them are much closer to
> the price that Edwin quoted than the one you quoted. Being a Maccie
> its natural for you to assume that price gouging is normal. Its not.
> People with a clue don't generally tolerate it.
yawn... street pricing applies to apple just the same as any vendor...
but at least apple STARTS with a realistic price, not a hugely inflated
price as does samsung... it's a MARKET... and best product commands top
price... that's why the apple display with it's richer feature set
commands the top price...
you've remained silent with my original challenge to find a similar
display for the same or less price... and we all know why...
apple is the price leader in this segment...
| |
| Alan Baker 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| In article <uu0ce0dqiei8mkvv9sh6srqlcvqvjk9jgb@4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 18:16:07 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
> bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>
> One seldom gets to see true stupidity on display.
> I'll type this slowly so you can keep up, Oxford. 8)
> Street price is the price people shopping actually pay.
> List price is the price the manufacturer suggests retailers sell the
> product at. Almost no one sells products at list price.
> Take a look at
> :http://shopper.cnet.com/ Samsung_Sy...>
isplay___TFT_
> :__32_/4014-3174_9-30607739.html?q=
> Notice that the page lists several vendors and the price each one is
> charging for the monitor. Notice that all of them are much closer to
> the price that Edwin quoted than the one you quoted. Being a Maccie
> its natural for you to assume that price gouging is normal. Its not.
> People with a clue don't generally tolerate it.
Do you also notice that the specs are nowhere *near* the Apple display's?
Maximum resolution for the Samsung is 1280 x 768, which is fine for a
TV, but not impressive for a computer display, such as the ACD 30",
which has a resolution of 2560 x 1600, or more than double.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
| |
| MR_ED_of_Course 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| in article alangbaker-F5BA45.01173103072004@news.telus.net, Alan Baker at
alangbaker@telus.net wrote on 7/3/04 1:17 AM:
> In article <uu0ce0dqiei8mkvv9sh6srqlcvqvjk9jgb@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
:http://shopper.cnet.com/ Samsung_Sy.../>
isplay___TFT>>
_[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Do you also notice that the specs are nowhere *near* the Apple display's?
>
> Maximum resolution for the Samsung is 1280 x 768, which is fine for a
> TV, but not impressive for a computer display, such as the ACD 30",
> which has a resolution of 2560 x 1600, or more than double.
That's what my Goodyear blimp comment was all about...not sure if anyone got
it, or maybe I'm not that funny (please don't all respond at once). Maybe
it's just that I'm old enough to remember the giant lighted screens on the
blimps that looked liked giant lite-brites. That has to be what a 1280x768
30" screen would look like.
Hell, I've got 4 monitors on my Mac, none of them are set at below
1600x1200, with 1920x1440 being my main monitor.
I guess they'd be ok for TVs or in a small conference room, but really, you
can't even put them in the ball park of Apple's 30".
| |
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 08:17:33 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>In article <uu0ce0dqiei8mkvv9sh6srqlcvqvjk9jgb@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Do you also notice that the specs are nowhere *near* the Apple display's?
>
>Maximum resolution for the Samsung is 1280 x 768, which is fine for a
>TV, but not impressive for a computer display, such as the ACD 30",
>which has a resolution of 2560 x 1600, or more than double.
That's nice. Tell you what, Alan 'I'll cry like a little girl until
you give me a URL but I'l never back up anything I say with one'
Baker, I'll be interested in anything you have to say when you provide
me with one of those 'too numerous to mention' times I claimed Apple
was going out of business or you quit being a gutless pussy and be man
enough to admit that you were deliberately lying.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-03, 6:43 pm |
| On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:47:31 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>yawn... street pricing applies to apple just the same as any vendor...
>but at least apple STARTS with a realistic price, not a hugely inflated
>price as does samsung... it's a MARKET... and best product commands top
>price... that's why the apple display with it's richer feature set
>commands the top price...
LOL! First you try to claim that the Samsung is more expensive and say
that's a bad thing. Now that you've been shown that you're wrong you
cliam that being higher priced is a virtue! You're not even trying to
hide your MacSnobbery.
>
>you've remained silent with my original challenge to find a similar
>display for the same or less price... and we all know why...
Because I've got better things to do than sort through all the
monitors available. Of course since its your assertion that this
product is built entirely by Apple and is totally unique to them I've
asked you to provide me with something showing the location of Apple's
LCD factory. So far you've provided nothing on that front.
>apple is the price leader in this segment...
First you claim that Apple is higher priced now you claim that its the
lowest priced (That's what 'price leader' means.). No wonder you're a
Maccie. You simply don't know what's what.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Lars Tr?ger 2004-07-03, 6:45 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann <Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<cbscnk$2m1$02$1@news.t-online.com>...
> Someone has to prove that idiots exist
Thanks, you do that just fine simply by posting.
Lars T.
| |
| Steve Carroll 2004-07-03, 6:46 pm |
| In article <BD0B8B29.56ED7%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
> fretwizz-DCD0E6.17545302072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/2/04 4:55 PM:
>
>
> I do not care what some of the csma trolls think - but I do enjoy pointing
> out their lies. This offends you.
Who are 'they' and what lies would you claim they've told?
> Gee, wonder why.
>
>
> Your comments there lack logic. Just wanted you to know. I doubt you will
> either be able to understand why or care.
>
>
> Wow! You are attributing your own ideas to me again. What a shock!
>
>
> Well, it is clear you do not think I deserve honest answers to questions.
To you. Lots of things are clear to you that others see quite
differently. That's right... it's because you are so much more
intelligent that all these others, isn't it?
> See, I give you honest answers and it pisses you off. Big difference in the
> way we see things.
>
> I do not expect you to understand. You do not seem to know enough to know
> how much you do not know.
I know a stubborn fool when I see one.
>
> I am sitting.
Well sit yourself on over to the thread where I finally let you in on
what you were missing regarding guilt
--
"I may just be the primary topic of this group". - Michael Glasser (AKA Snit)
--
Steve C
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-03, 6:46 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because I've got better things to do than sort through all the
> monitors available. Of course since its your assertion that this
> product is built entirely by Apple and is totally unique to them I've
> asked you to provide me with something showing the location of Apple's
> LCD factory. So far you've provided nothing on that front.
no mayor, bottom line is you CANNOT find a monitor with these features
for a lower price. apple clearly is the PRICE and FEATURE leader in
these sized / quality monitors.
I've NEVER asserted that Apple BUILDS these monitors, i've often said
apple doesn't manufacture ANYTHING... which is true... That
embellishment is entirely yours.
>
> First you claim that Apple is higher priced now you claim that its the
> lowest priced (That's what 'price leader' means.). No wonder you're a
> Maccie. You simply don't know what's what.
You are mixing things up on purpose... Apple IS the price leader in this
segment. And until you show a 30" display with similar features, for a
lower price, my comments stand.
| |
| Peter Köhlmann 2004-07-03, 6:46 pm |
| Lars Tr?ger wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann <Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:<cbscnk$2m1$02$1@news.t-online.com>...
>
> Thanks, you do that just fine simply by posting.
>
> Lars T.
Well, I am not that guy buying a $3000 screen and a $500 video card
--
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
| |
|
| "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
fretwizz-AFA786.13471103072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/3/04 12:47 PM:
>
> Who are 'they' and what lies would you claim they've told?
Let's start with you and all the lies I have pointed out of yours in the
last, oh, even week.
I enjoy pointing out your lies.
I enjoy watching you get all pissy.
I will enjoy the little rant this will inspire from you. It always works -
I tell the truth and you get all pissy.
--
See responses to flames
news://alt.flame.macintosh
| |
| Mayor of R'lyeh 2004-07-03, 6:46 pm |
| On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:48:01 -0600, Oxford <csma@mac.com> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:
>Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>no mayor, bottom line is you CANNOT find a monitor with these features
>for a lower price. apple clearly is the PRICE and FEATURE leader in
>these sized / quality monitors.
You make the Maccie mistake of assuming that Apple shoukld be the
baseline. Large LCD monitors are available for much less than what
Apple is selling them for. Despite all you gushing over them ports
built into the base aren't really that big of a deal to most people.
Before you were claiming that having the highest priced monitor made
them them the 'price leader'. Its nice to see that you've flipped to
using the standard nomenclature finally.
>
>I've NEVER asserted that Apple BUILDS these monitors, i've often said
>apple doesn't manufacture ANYTHING... which is true... That
>embellishment is entirely yours.
You seem to be of the mind that its unique to Apple. The only way
that's possible is for Apple to make them.
>
>
>You are mixing things up on purpose... Apple IS the price leader in this
>segment. And until you show a 30" display with similar features, for a
>lower price, my comments stand.
Like I said before, I'm not going to sort through the huge number of
monitors out there.
--
Why settle for the lesser evil?
Cthulhu for President 2004
| |
| Oxford 2004-07-03, 8:46 pm |
| Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You make the Maccie mistake of assuming that Apple shoukld be the
> baseline. Large LCD monitors are available for much less than what
> Apple is selling them for. Despite all you gushing over them ports
> built into the base aren't really that big of a deal to most people.
> Before you were claiming that having the highest priced monitor made
> them them the 'price leader'. Its nice to see that you've flipped to
> using the standard nomenclature finally.
apple as the baseline? this monitor is the top display for the PRICE...
and you continue overlook that... there is NO monitor which has a better
set for a lower price...
and these ports aren't a big deal? come on... they are a huge deal for
design minded folks... no more reaching around or down to plug cameras,
hard drives, ipods, etc... that's a killer feature...
>
> You seem to be of the mind that its unique to Apple. The only way
> that's possible is for Apple to make them.
your confusing me with someone else... Apple designs products, and
contracts out to build them... no secret there...
>
> Like I said before, I'm not going to sort through the huge number of
> monitors out there.
yes, and the reason... IS... there is no sorting to do...
here's the list... and no monitor meets apple's default specs...
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/34/5879-1.htm
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| Steve Carroll 2004-07-04, 3:14 am |
| In article <BD0C87FB.56FB8%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
> fretwizz-AFA786.13471103072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/3/04 12:47 PM:
>
>
> Let's start with you and all the lies I have pointed out of yours in the
> last, oh, even week.
To whom did you point them out where it was established the things I
said were lies? Yourself?
> I enjoy pointing out your lies.
>
> I enjoy watching you get all pissy.
>
> I will enjoy the little rant this will inspire from you. It always works -
> I tell the truth and you get all pissy.
You don't know what the truth is... and not necessarily born entirely of
deceit in every instance. Sometimes it is just plain ignorance.
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| "Steve Carroll" <fretwizz@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in
fretwizz-E569A6.22100003072004@netnews.comcast.net on 7/3/04 9:10 PM:
> In article <BD0C87FB.56FB8%snit-nospam@cableone.net>,
> Snit <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>
> To whom did you point them out where it was established the things I
> said were lies? Yourself?
>
>
> You don't know what the truth is... and not necessarily born entirely of
> deceit in every instance. Sometimes it is just plain ignorance.
I am still enjoying you get all pissy.
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news://alt.flame.macintosh
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| Sandman 2004-07-04, 3:14 am |
| In article <4ndee0lui20jb6kaovdbe9e8eis4mb2bm7@4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You make the Maccie mistake of assuming that Apple shoukld be the
> baseline. Large LCD monitors are available for much less than what
> Apple is selling them for.
Yet i've not seen anyone link to a cheaper 30" 2560x1600 screen.
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| Scott Gardner 2004-07-04, 3:14 am |
| Sandman wrote:
> In article <4ndee0lui20jb6kaovdbe9e8eis4mb2bm7@4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yet i've not seen anyone link to a cheaper 30" 2560x1600 screen.
>
I don't think there *are* any others, cheaper or not. In fact, every result
from a Google search on "2560*1600" yielded a reference to the new Apple
display, with several of the sites claiming that the ACD 30" is the first
30" display capable of displaying such a high resolution. It appears that
even without the brushed-aluminum case or firewire/USB ports, the ACD 30"
is the only product in its class.
I believe the displays are manufactured by LG, but a search of LG's global
site doesn't reveal any 30" displays with a resolution higher than 1280 X
768. If LG is the manufacturer for the ACD 30", perhaps they've agreed to
only make them available to Apple, at least for the time being?
Scott Gardner
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| Lars Tr?ger 2004-07-09, 3:48 pm |
| Peter Köhlmann <Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<cc79gd$187$07$1@news.t-online.com>...
> Lars Tr?ger wrote:
>
>
> Well, I am not that guy buying a $3000 screen and a $500 video card
No, you are the guy who concludes that because you don't need it,
nobody else can, and must thus be an idiot for buying it.
Well, I don't need you. Go shoot yourself.
Lars T.
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| Peter Köhlmann 2004-07-09, 3:48 pm |
| Lars Tr?ger wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann <Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:<cc79gd$187$07$1@news.t-online.com>...
>
> No, you are the guy who concludes that because you don't need it,
> nobody else can, and must thus be an idiot for buying it.
>
> Well, I don't need you. Go shoot yourself.
>
No, I am the guy who concluded that for spending that much money for such
equipment you have to be an idiot
Tell me, who *needs* such stuff besides some (very few) graphic designers?
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Let it get in YOUR way. The problem for your problem.
If it starts working, we'll fix it. Pronto.
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