Backup Software - Drive Image recovery User Name...?

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Drive Image recovery User Name...?

Kenneth

2004-09-28, 5:46 pm

Howdy,

If I boot from the Drive Image CD and attempt to restore over the
network, the system booted with that CD tries to access the remote
system, but, by what user name?

That is, when the remote system "sees" the newly booted system is
trying to access its files, "who" does it see?

Thanks for any help on this,

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Jim Sherman

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:11:24 -0400, Kenneth
<usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:

>
>Howdy,
>
>If I boot from the Drive Image CD and attempt to restore over the
>network, the system booted with that CD tries to access the remote
>system, but, by what user name?
>
>That is, when the remote system "sees" the newly booted system is
>trying to access its files, "who" does it see?
>
>Thanks for any help on this,
When the program was installed, the person installing it had to supply
a userid and password for this purpose. How that is used in this
context is a great mystery to me, too. If the systems have event
logs, perhaps it's in there. Or put Zonealarm on and see what it
says.

Kenneth

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:20:23 -0700, Jim Sherman
<see_signature_below@newsguy.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:11:24 -0400, Kenneth
><usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>
>When the program was installed, the person installing it had to supply
>a userid and password for this purpose. How that is used in this
>context is a great mystery to me, too. If the systems have event
>logs, perhaps it's in there. Or put Zonealarm on and see what it
>says.

Howdy,

I appreciate your comments, but...

My question relates to booting from the "Recovery Environment" CD. No
logs, no previously entered user name, no nothin'.

Yet, from the CD, DI attempts to pull files from other systems on the
net. Those other systems must see something "calling", but I can't
seem to figure out what they see.

Might you have further thoughts about that?

Sincere thanks,

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John .

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>If I boot from the Drive Image CD and attempt to restore over the
>network, the system booted with that CD tries to access the remote
>system, but, by what user name?
>
>That is, when the remote system "sees" the newly booted system is
>trying to access its files, "who" does it see?
>
>Thanks for any help on this,

Kenneth, se my other posts/comments in the
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage group regarding Ghost 9.

The username you use is the one that you created for this pc (NOT the
remote pc). With XP, you must log-on to the other remote PC. Either
the other pc has accounts set up for valid id's, or allows "guest"
access or everyone access.

Either way, you must identify yourself (start/control panel/user
accounts to see ones on your pc) so you can get into the remote pc.

Kenneth

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:06:06 -0700, John . <john@notme.com> wrote:

>Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>
>Kenneth, se my other posts/comments in the
>comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage group regarding Ghost 9.
>
>The username you use is the one that you created for this pc (NOT the
>remote pc). With XP, you must log-on to the other remote PC. Either
>the other pc has accounts set up for valid id's, or allows "guest"
>access or everyone access.
>
>Either way, you must identify yourself (start/control panel/user
>accounts to see ones on your pc) so you can get into the remote pc.

Hi John,

When I boot off the CD all seems well. Then, it asks the file I wish
to restore from. I attempt to browse to it, but get an error telling
me that the "Workgroup is not accessible." It does NOT ask for a
username or password.

Might you have an idea about how I can get past that point?

Sincere thanks,

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John .

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>Hi John,
>
>When I boot off the CD all seems well. Then, it asks the file I wish
>to restore from. I attempt to browse to it, but get an error telling
>me that the "Workgroup is not accessible." It does NOT ask for a
>username or password.
>
>Might you have an idea about how I can get past that point?
>
>Sincere thanks,

I can only tell you what I had to do using Ghost 9 (which is
equivalent to DI 8 I guess)

I had a similar problem at first. However, FIRST in Ghost 9, I had to
"map a network drive". In that dialogue I typed in the
\\server\folder and had to logon and assigned it drive letter y. You
can't browse to the other server. You have to know beforehand what
the \\server\folder is. Look at network shares on other computer
first.

After doing all that, you browse, then open y:

Again, sorry, I never tried this in DI 7. From what I remember though
you had to be sure to have your nic/network drivers on the dos boot as
well.

Jim Sherman

2004-10-02, 8:46 pm

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:03:14 -0400, Kenneth
<usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:

>Yet, from the CD, DI attempts to pull files from other systems on the
>net. Those other systems must see something "calling", but I can't
>seem to figure out what they see.
I was referring to looking >on the other systems< to see what comes in
from their viewpoint. That's what I meant by looking at their logs
and/or maybe Zonealarm (or something with a log) on the other systems
as well. The userid you use is (I suspect) somehow involved, but I
can't see how since the recovery environment has no logon and is the
same as the ISO you get if you download the product. I agree, it's
obvious how you get to the other systems during the backup. Perhaps
you have to somehow do a mount of some sort which would then prompt
for a login(?). I confess, the one time I used a backup from a
networked computer I burned it to a CD and sneaker netted it back.

Kenneth

2004-10-05, 5:46 pm

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:02:36 -0700, John . <john@notme.com> wrote:

>Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>
>I can only tell you what I had to do using Ghost 9 (which is
>equivalent to DI 8 I guess)
>
>I had a similar problem at first. However, FIRST in Ghost 9, I had to
>"map a network drive". In that dialogue I typed in the
>\\server\folder and had to logon and assigned it drive letter y. You
>can't browse to the other server. You have to know beforehand what
>the \\server\folder is. Look at network shares on other computer
>first.
>
>After doing all that, you browse, then open y:
>
>Again, sorry, I never tried this in DI 7. From what I remember though
>you had to be sure to have your nic/network drivers on the dos boot as
>well.

Hi John,

I downloaded Ghost 9 and have precisely the problems that I was having
with V2i Protector and Drive Image 7: None of these products can seem
to make use of our network.

I have not tried your drive mapping suggestion as yet, but...

After booting from the recovery CD, I cannot successfully ping any
remote machine. That leads me to believe that the mapping will also
fail. Would you agree?

Having thought this through, I assume that in the event of a crash, I
could just replace my disk, install a default copy of Win 2000 from
the CD, install Drive Image from the CD, and then restore from within
Windows. Indeed, that would take an extra hour, but given all the hair
I have lost trying to get these recovery disks to work over the
network, it may be the way to go. Am I missing something here?

Thanks for your thoughts,

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John .

2004-10-07, 7:45 am

Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>I downloaded Ghost 9 and have precisely the problems that I was having
>with V2i Protector and Drive Image 7: None of these products can seem
>to make use of our network.
>
>I have not tried your drive mapping suggestion as yet, but...
>
>After booting from the recovery CD, I cannot successfully ping any
>remote machine. That leads me to believe that the mapping will also
>fail. Would you agree?
>
>Having thought this through, I assume that in the event of a crash, I
>could just replace my disk, install a default copy of Win 2000 from
>the CD, install Drive Image from the CD, and then restore from within
>Windows. Indeed, that would take an extra hour, but given all the hair
>I have lost trying to get these recovery disks to work over the
>network, it may be the way to go. Am I missing something here?
>
>Thanks for your thoughts,

I'm not sure how many PC's are in your network, but spending $20 per
PC on a Linksys or DLink or Netgear PCI ethernet network card would be
less aggravation than you've evidently spent so far.

NO, you CANNOT do a live restore of an entire disk image from within
Win 2000 onto the active system partition while it is running. That's
why you have a boot CD, boot diskettes, etc. to create an environment
outside the operating one.

If you're just trying to restore some data files, that's different.

Depending upon the size of the individual backup set sizes, consider
an external USB2 drive. Copy the Ghost 9 images each day or week to
the external drive. In the event of crash of one PC: replace
physical disk, plug in external usb2 drive to that PC, boot from Ghost
9 CD, select appropriate image file, and restore it.

Kenneth

2004-10-07, 7:45 am

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:52:57 -0700, John . <john@notme.com> wrote:

>Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>
>I'm not sure how many PC's are in your network, but spending $20 per
>PC on a Linksys or DLink or Netgear PCI ethernet network card would be
>less aggravation than you've evidently spent so far.
>
>NO, you CANNOT do a live restore of an entire disk image from within
>Win 2000 onto the active system partition while it is running. That's
>why you have a boot CD, boot diskettes, etc. to create an environment
>outside the operating one.
>
>If you're just trying to restore some data files, that's different.
>
>Depending upon the size of the individual backup set sizes, consider
>an external USB2 drive. Copy the Ghost 9 images each day or week to
>the external drive. In the event of crash of one PC: replace
>physical disk, plug in external usb2 drive to that PC, boot from Ghost
>9 CD, select appropriate image file, and restore it.
>
>

Hi John,

Please accept my thanks!

As you will see from another post, even when I have recognized cards,
I get problems with the network not being detected. So, there is
something going on here other than the card driver problems.

The network is small, five boxes.

The suggestion of an external drive is perfectly reasonable, but we
are also concerned about the issue of fire. We now put the images on a
box that is about 100 yards from the other machines.

Thanks again,

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John .

2004-10-07, 11:18 am

Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>As you will see from another post, even when I have recognized cards,
>I get problems with the network not being detected. So, there is
>something going on here other than the card driver problems.
>
>The network is small, five boxes.
>
>The suggestion of an external drive is perfectly reasonable, but we
>are also concerned about the issue of fire. We now put the images on a
>box that is about 100 yards from the other machines.
>

Make sure it's not the other PC's being detected, not the network:

With 5 PC's, I would look first at the network. Make sure you have
switch with DHCP enabled. Look at network properties for all 5 PC's.
Make sure they are using TCPIP protocol ONLY to communicate with each
other. Make sure NETBEUI and/or any other protocols are not there (if
so remove them). You want all 5 PC's communicating with each other
only with TCPIP.

For each Windows 2000 PC, network properties should be just Client,
Network Adapter, Protocol (TCPIP), and file/print services.

I'm also assuming cat5/cat5e and no questionable cable
connections/paths.

Kenneth

2004-10-07, 5:45 pm

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:39:28 -0700, John . <john@notme.com> wrote:

>Kenneth <usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:
>
>Make sure it's not the other PC's being detected, not the network:
>
>With 5 PC's, I would look first at the network. Make sure you have
>switch with DHCP enabled. Look at network properties for all 5 PC's.
>Make sure they are using TCPIP protocol ONLY to communicate with each
>other. Make sure NETBEUI and/or any other protocols are not there (if
>so remove them). You want all 5 PC's communicating with each other
>only with TCPIP.
>
>For each Windows 2000 PC, network properties should be just Client,
>Network Adapter, Protocol (TCPIP), and file/print services.
>
>I'm also assuming cat5/cat5e and no questionable cable
>connections/paths.
>

Hi John,

I have continued to experiment with this with all but two systems shut
down. I will check on the possibility that protocols other than TCP/IP
are running.

There is (as you may have seen elsewhere) a cabling issue, but I don't
see how it might cause a problem with the other systems off.

The two systems that are running are connected with thin coax rather
than cat5. They connect perfectly with lots of net traffic day to day.

You wrote "Make sure you have switch with DHCP enabled" but I need
more information about that. Right now, I have just the two systems
running, and they are connected through a switch.

If I boot from the Recovery CD I can display the information from
IPConfig /all and it shows "DHCP enabled: YES". Is that what you
meant?

Thanks,

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Kenneth

2004-10-07, 5:45 pm

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:36:40 -0400, Kenneth
<usenet@SPAMLESSsoleassociates.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:39:28 -0700, John . <john@notme.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>I have continued to experiment with this with all but two systems shut
>down. I will check on the possibility that protocols other than TCP/IP
>are running.
>
>There is (as you may have seen elsewhere) a cabling issue, but I don't
>see how it might cause a problem with the other systems off.
>
>The two systems that are running are connected with thin coax rather
>than cat5. They connect perfectly with lots of net traffic day to day.
>
>You wrote "Make sure you have switch with DHCP enabled" but I need
>more information about that. Right now, I have just the two systems
>running, and they are connected through a switch.
>
>If I boot from the Recovery CD I can display the information from
>IPConfig /all and it shows "DHCP enabled: YES". Is that what you
>meant?
>
>Thanks,

Hi again John,

I removed NETBEUI from the remote box...

Then, running Windows, I tried to Ping the remote box from the local,
but it timed out.

Next, I booted the local box from the Recovery CD.

In network config, it showed "No network configuration detected" but
did show an assigned IP address.

I released that IP address, and assigned another that differed from
the remote by one digit. So if the remote was 192.168.1.XXX, I set the
local to 192.168.1.XXX+1.

Still, it displayed "No network configuration detected" and the ping
failed.

By the way, I am NOT in an emergency situation. I did have a crash a
few months ago, could not restore over the net, and so physically
installed the remote disk in the failed box. I then restored "locally"
with success.

It would sure be better to be able to restore over the net, but thus
far, no go.

Might you have any other thoughts?

And finally, you might want to see the thread on this called "Ghost 9
Network hassles..." on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage

Very sincere thanks,
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