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| Sam Bench 2006-03-31, 12:16 am |
| I bought a new PC about 2 years ago and made sure that it had two identical
hard drives. I also bought Norton Ghost and for the past two years have
been religiously cloning my primary drive to the slave each week in case my
primary drive failed. Well, the big day was last Tuesday. My primary drive
crashed. I grinned and patted myself on the back for being so smart about
backups. I pulled both drives out of my machine, changed the jumper on the
backup to make it the primary, and popped it back in. IT DIDN'T BOOT!! I
thought that a cloned drive was a perfect match and would boot. It didn't.
Now I am in the process of reloading Windows XP Home onto a new drive and am
going to spend tens of hours getting back my software.
I have Norton Ghost 2003 Version 6.01.
Now, after the whining, a few questions:
Is there anything I can do to get my cloned hard drive to boot?
If not, is there a way to use Ghost to make a bootable backup?
Is there a better program than Ghost to make a bootable backup? I want a
simple program that once a week copies all of one drive to the backup drive
and allows me to just change the jumpers on the backup drive and have it
boot and mimic the failed drive.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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| Chuck U. Farley 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
| > backups. I pulled both drives out of my machine, changed the jumper on
the
> backup to make it the primary, and popped it back in. IT DIDN'T BOOT!! I
> thought that a cloned drive was a perfect match and would boot. It
didn't.
It's not supposed to. The data is in compressed format that Ghost uses to
restore your system. You should have made a boot diskette when you first
started doing your backups.
> Now I am in the process of reloading Windows XP Home onto a new drive and
am
> going to spend tens of hours getting back my software.
If you have the Ghost boot diskette, all you have to do is boot from that
and restore your system to the new drive. If you don't have it, install
Ghost on your new XP install and then make one. Boot to it, restore your old
system from your backup drive at the prompts and you're good to go.
> I have Norton Ghost 2003 Version 6.01.
I still use Ghost 2003 as it is absolutely the best solution for me. I have
no need to upgrade myself.
> Now, after the whining, a few questions:
We all whine sometime. <g>
I recently added an SATA drive, restored my system to a late 2004 point and
then couldn't restore the system back. That was certainly adventure, so I
know of the "I grinned and patted myself on the back for being so smart
about backups" feeling and the subsequent horror at not being able to
restore your system back to the most recent backup.
> Is there anything I can do to get my cloned hard drive to boot?
> If not, is there a way to use Ghost to make a bootable backup?
If you have a DVD burner, you can make a bootable DVD disk if you want. The
bootable diskette works just as well, at least for me.
> Is there a better program than Ghost to make a bootable backup? I want a
> simple program that once a week copies all of one drive to the backup
drive
> and allows me to just change the jumpers on the backup drive and have it
> boot and mimic the failed drive.
Why go to the trouble? Just install the new drive (it doens't even have to
be the same size, model, etc.), restore your system back to the new drive
and you're done.
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| beenthere 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
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"Sam Bench" <roykoch@comcast.net> wrote in message
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mcast.com...
>I bought a new PC about 2 years ago and made sure that it had two identical
>hard drives. I also bought Norton Ghost and for the past two years have
>been religiously cloning my primary drive to the slave each week in case my
>primary drive failed. Well, the big day was last Tuesday. My primary
>drive crashed. I grinned and patted myself on the back for being so smart
>about backups. I pulled both drives out of my machine, changed the jumper
>on the backup to make it the primary, and popped it back in. IT DIDN'T
>BOOT!! I thought that a cloned drive was a perfect match and would boot.
>It didn't. Now I am in the process of reloading Windows XP Home onto a new
>drive and am going to spend tens of hours getting back my software.
>
> I have Norton Ghost 2003 Version 6.01.
>
> Now, after the whining, a few questions:
>
> Is there anything I can do to get my cloned hard drive to boot?
>
Snipped some
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
Did you actually `clone` the drive, or did you `image` the drive ?.
If you cloned it, it should work when you make the drive a Master.
If you imaged it, it could as Chuck says, be in a compressed format,
and therefor won`t boot.
Is it possible your drives are Western digitals, `cos they can be queer
on configs. ?.
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| Simon 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
| If you have a bootable floppy, you should be able to restore your
data. I have been using Ghost 2003 and it has saved my "bacon" on
several ocassions. Since you must have access to a computer or you
wouldn't be asking a question you can probably get where you can make
a bootable floppy. If you can't, I could email you a copy if you so
desire. Don't fault Ghost it makes a fauktlees clone.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:20:54 GMT, "beenthere" <Waiting@Home.com>
wrote:
>
>"Sam Bench" <roykoch@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:u_mdnRloX6Z79LHZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@co
mcast.com...
>Snipped some
>Did you actually `clone` the drive, or did you `image` the drive ?.
>If you cloned it, it should work when you make the drive a Master.
>If you imaged it, it could as Chuck says, be in a compressed format,
>and therefor won`t boot.
>Is it possible your drives are Western digitals, `cos they can be queer
>on configs. ?.
>
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| Sam Bench 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
| Chuck,
Thanks for the response. If I restore my clone to the new drive will the
new drive then boot?? My problem is that my cloned drive won't boot. Won't
the new drive be identical to the cloned drive and not boot?
"Chuck U. Farley" <chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in message
news:KabXf.1422$ki.387@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> the
> didn't.
>
> It's not supposed to. The data is in compressed format that Ghost uses to
> restore your system. You should have made a boot diskette when you first
> started doing your backups.
>
> am
>
> If you have the Ghost boot diskette, all you have to do is boot from that
> and restore your system to the new drive. If you don't have it, install
> Ghost on your new XP install and then make one. Boot to it, restore your
> old
> system from your backup drive at the prompts and you're good to go.
>
>
> I still use Ghost 2003 as it is absolutely the best solution for me. I
> have
> no need to upgrade myself.
>
>
> We all whine sometime. <g>
>
> I recently added an SATA drive, restored my system to a late 2004 point
> and
> then couldn't restore the system back. That was certainly adventure, so I
> know of the "I grinned and patted myself on the back for being so smart
> about backups" feeling and the subsequent horror at not being able to
> restore your system back to the most recent backup.
>
>
> If you have a DVD burner, you can make a bootable DVD disk if you want.
> The
> bootable diskette works just as well, at least for me.
>
> drive
>
> Why go to the trouble? Just install the new drive (it doens't even have to
> be the same size, model, etc.), restore your system back to the new drive
> and you're done.
>
>
>
>
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| Sam Bench 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
| Yes, I did a clone not an image. My drive is a Maxtor. I think my problem
is one of getting the cloned drive to be "activated". I'm not sure how to
do this.
"beenthere" <Waiting@Home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sam Bench" <roykoch@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:u_mdnRloX6Z79LHZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@co
mcast.com...
> Snipped some
> Did you actually `clone` the drive, or did you `image` the drive ?.
> If you cloned it, it should work when you make the drive a Master.
> If you imaged it, it could as Chuck says, be in a compressed format,
> and therefor won`t boot.
> Is it possible your drives are Western digitals, `cos they can be queer
> on configs. ?.
>
>
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| Sam Bench 2006-04-01, 12:31 pm |
| I have the bootable floppy. I don't doubt that I could restore all my data
from the clone to the new drive. I think my issue is how to get the cloned
drive to boot. If I restore the cloned drive to my new drive then I bet I
will have two identical drives, each will all my data, that won't boot!!
"Simon" <noname@simonsays.com> wrote in message
news:8koq225t1929jeotrfgquubs0jthcft4rv@
4ax.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> If you have a bootable floppy, you should be able to restore your
> data. I have been using Ghost 2003 and it has saved my "bacon" on
> several ocassions. Since you must have access to a computer or you
> wouldn't be asking a question you can probably get where you can make
> a bootable floppy. If you can't, I could email you a copy if you so
> desire. Don't fault Ghost it makes a fauktlees clone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:20:54 GMT, "beenthere" <Waiting@Home.com>
> wrote:
>
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| On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:29:25 -0500, Sam Bench wrote:
> I bought a new PC about 2 years ago and made sure that it had two identical
> hard drives. I also bought Norton Ghost and for the past two years have
> been religiously cloning my primary drive to the slave each week in case my
> primary drive failed. Well, the big day was last Tuesday. My primary drive
> crashed. I grinned and patted myself on the back for being so smart about
> backups. I pulled both drives out of my machine, changed the jumper on the
> backup to make it the primary, and popped it back in. IT DIDN'T BOOT!! I
> thought that a cloned drive was a perfect match and would boot. It didn't.
> Now I am in the process of reloading Windows XP Home onto a new drive and am
> going to spend tens of hours getting back my software.
>
> I have Norton Ghost 2003 Version 6.01.
>
> Now, after the whining, a few questions:
>
> Is there anything I can do to get my cloned hard drive to boot?
> If not, is there a way to use Ghost to make a bootable backup?
> Is there a better program than Ghost to make a bootable backup? I want a
> simple program that once a week copies all of one drive to the backup drive
> and allows me to just change the jumpers on the backup drive and have it
> boot and mimic the failed drive.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_4.htm
"When a disk is cloned, disk-to-disk, there will be two volumes with the
same volume identifier. If the computer is restarted with both harddisks
(the "source" and the "clone") installed, XP will start from the "source",
detect the "clone" as new hardware and change the volume identifier since
there can not be two volumes with the same volume identifier.
Nothing will be detected by the user until he/she takes out the "source"
and makes the "clone" the boot drive. Now, XP can not boot because of the
changed volume identifier."
Some people (myself included) have had success booting off a *windows98*
floppy and doing "fdisk /mbr". Booting off a 2000/xp cd and doing
"fixboot" or "fixmbr" does not work.
Google for "Kawecki's Trick" for why not.
some explanation here:
http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.htm#method3
http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/Ya...22608
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Bill
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| Sam Bench 2006-04-02, 7:03 pm |
| Thanks, Bill. Good explanation.
It looks like an option would be to do the clone and then pull the slave
drive out of the computer before it reboots. If the primary drive ever
fails then the slave could replace it and a good boot would occur.
Does this sound like a viable option?
"Bill" <no@dont.ask> wrote in message
news:17kpu4hqzeq9j.b625jlyvg9fp$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:29:25 -0500, Sam Bench wrote:
>
>
> http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_4.htm
>
> "When a disk is cloned, disk-to-disk, there will be two volumes with the
> same volume identifier. If the computer is restarted with both harddisks
> (the "source" and the "clone") installed, XP will start from the "source",
> detect the "clone" as new hardware and change the volume identifier since
> there can not be two volumes with the same volume identifier.
>
> Nothing will be detected by the user until he/she takes out the "source"
> and makes the "clone" the boot drive. Now, XP can not boot because of the
> changed volume identifier."
>
> Some people (myself included) have had success booting off a *windows98*
> floppy and doing "fdisk /mbr". Booting off a 2000/xp cd and doing
> "fixboot" or "fixmbr" does not work.
> Google for "Kawecki's Trick" for why not.
>
> some explanation here:
> http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/partsigs.htm#method3
> http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/Ya...22608
259
>
> Bill
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| On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:14:23 -0500, Sam Bench wrote:
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> Thanks, Bill. Good explanation.
>
> It looks like an option would be to do the clone and then pull the slave
> drive out of the computer before it reboots. If the primary drive ever
> fails then the slave could replace it and a good boot would occur.
>
> Does this sound like a viable option?
That sounds right to me.
Of the last 5 drives I've cloned (a mix of Ghost 2003, Acronis 9.0 and
Acronis 8.0 on a Bart PE CD) I've had to "fdisk /mbr" two of them to get
them to boot. Honestly, I didn't pay any attention as to the order and
whether or not "new" drive could "see" old drive at first boot. I just know
that sometimes I had to do an fdisk /mbr to get the new drive to boot. I
probably did let "old" drive see "new" drive, though.
Let me know if fdisk /mbr works for you. What's to lose, right?
Bill
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