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Diary of a Sarge install
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| In other threads I have described endless problems.
So now I will try a new approach.
I will attempt to describe what I did and what happened.
Then maybe my mistakes will be obvious to you.
19:00 Booted to XP and deleted existing Linux partitions,
leaving 13GB of unallocated space at end of HDD.
19:04 Booted XP CD to Recovery Console and used fixmbr and fixboot.
19:08 Booted Sarge DVD and used hostname "debian" and no domain name -
because I didn't know what that was for.
19:12 "Installing the Debian base system"
19:15 GRUB to MBR; removed DVD; system rebooting.
19:17 "Welcome"; root pw; CDROM for apt; DVD back in.
19:19 "Scanning Disc for index files"
19:21 Selected "desktop environment" by pressing the space bar.
I hadn't realised before that you had to press the space bar - to get an
asterisk into the checkbox. The checkbox was highlighted - so I thought
you just had to press enter.
19:44 (NOW) Loads of white writing is flashing by on a black background.
This has been going on for ages. Last time I aborted at this stage -
because the messages made me think it was fetching lots of stuff from
the Internet - but maybe it wasn't? Haven't a clue what's happening!
I will wait a while and see what happens next.
19:47 (ANOTHER NOW) (This is real stream-of-consciousness writing!)
Something has happened.
"Configuring xserver-xfree86"
Well ... there is a driver called ati ... so I'll go for that.
The card is an ATI Radeon 7000.
19:53 Do I want the mouse and monitor autodetected?
Yep - might as well. Scrubbed the mouse around enthusiastically, in an
effort to co-operate.
19:56 Loads more scrolling writing on screen.
Says it's selecting things that were previously deselected.
That sounds indecisive to me!
Lets categorise that as a mystery - and relax.
20:06 "Configuring Exim v4 (exim4-config)"
I don't understand the questions here.
Mine is just a home computer - connected to an ISP via a router.
None of the options seem to apply.
I will say "no configuration at this time".
20:10 More questions about mail. Don't understand at all.
Muddled through.
20:14 Graphical login screen appeared - and I logged in as a normal
user.
WOW - Has this actually worked at last?
I'm off to play with it now - but - is there a checklist of things I
should do next?
If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
and doing loads of configuring.
What's the equivalent for Debian?
--
Chris
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| In article <vzfkTiDZpsRDFwYy@[127.0.0.1]>, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]>
writes
>In other threads I have described endless problems.
>So now I will try a new approach.
>I will attempt to describe what I did and what happened.
>Then maybe my mistakes will be obvious to you.
>
>19:00 Booted to XP and deleted existing Linux partitions,
>leaving 13GB of unallocated space at end of HDD.
>
>19:04 Booted XP CD to Recovery Console and used fixmbr and fixboot.
>
>19:08 Booted Sarge DVD and used hostname "debian" and no domain name -
>because I didn't know what that was for.
>
>19:12 "Installing the Debian base system"
>
>19:15 GRUB to MBR; removed DVD; system rebooting.
>
>19:17 "Welcome"; root pw; CDROM for apt; DVD back in.
>
>19:19 "Scanning Disc for index files"
>
>19:21 Selected "desktop environment" by pressing the space bar.
>I hadn't realised before that you had to press the space bar - to get
>an asterisk into the checkbox. The checkbox was highlighted - so I
>thought you just had to press enter.
>
>19:44 (NOW) Loads of white writing is flashing by on a black background.
>This has been going on for ages. Last time I aborted at this stage -
>because the messages made me think it was fetching lots of stuff from
>the Internet - but maybe it wasn't? Haven't a clue what's happening!
>I will wait a while and see what happens next.
>
>19:47 (ANOTHER NOW) (This is real stream-of-consciousness writing!)
>Something has happened.
>"Configuring xserver-xfree86"
>Well ... there is a driver called ati ... so I'll go for that.
>The card is an ATI Radeon 7000.
>
>19:53 Do I want the mouse and monitor autodetected?
>Yep - might as well. Scrubbed the mouse around enthusiastically, in an
>effort to co-operate.
>
>19:56 Loads more scrolling writing on screen.
>Says it's selecting things that were previously deselected.
>That sounds indecisive to me!
>Lets categorise that as a mystery - and relax.
>
>20:06 "Configuring Exim v4 (exim4-config)"
>I don't understand the questions here.
>Mine is just a home computer - connected to an ISP via a router.
>None of the options seem to apply.
>I will say "no configuration at this time".
>
>20:10 More questions about mail. Don't understand at all.
>Muddled through.
>
>20:14 Graphical login screen appeared - and I logged in as a normal
>user.
>WOW - Has this actually worked at last?
>
>I'm off to play with it now - but - is there a checklist of things I
>should do next?
>
>If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
>and doing loads of configuring.
>
>What's the equivalent for Debian?
20:57 Diary continued ...
Same problem as with Ubuntu - in that monitor resolution is wrong.
It's a TFT Hansol H530 which should run at 1024x768 - and it's at
800x600 with no option to change.
What do I need to do?
Also - I would like to start posting to this newsgroup from the Debian
machine - because then I could copy and paste things into articles - but
Debian doesn't seem to have a news client installed.
Advice welcomed and appreciated.
--
Chris
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| Bernhard Kastner 2005-10-07, 5:52 pm |
| Chris wrote:
>
> 20:06 "Configuring Exim v4 (exim4-config)"
> I don't understand the questions here.
> Mine is just a home computer - connected to an ISP via a router.
> None of the options seem to apply.
> I will say "no configuration at this time".
>
> 20:10 More questions about mail. Don't understand at all.
> Muddled through.
>
That's a big minus on Debian: It installs some mail-services. I didn't
figure out how to disable them on installation, but you can safely
remove the packages after finishing the install
>
> If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
> and doing loads of configuring.
>
> What's the equivalent for Debian?
Haha, yor're done ;)
Maybe you want to remove some unused packages like exim and install nice
things like KDE, ...
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| Amarok 2005-10-07, 5:52 pm |
| Chris wrote:
>
> If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
> and doing loads of configuring.
>
> What's the equivalent for Debian?
Antivirus ? What's that ??
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| On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:19:53 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
alt.os.linux.debian:
> In other threads I have described endless problems.
> So now I will try a new approach.
> I will attempt to describe what I did and what happened.
> Then maybe my mistakes will be obvious to you.
>
> 19:00 Booted to XP and deleted existing Linux partitions,
> leaving 13GB of unallocated space at end of HDD.
>
> 19:04 Booted XP CD to Recovery Console and used fixmbr and fixboot.
>
> 19:08 Booted Sarge DVD and used hostname "debian" and no domain name -
> because I didn't know what that was for.
>
> 19:12 "Installing the Debian base system"
>
> 19:15 GRUB to MBR; removed DVD; system rebooting.
>
> 19:17 "Welcome"; root pw; CDROM for apt; DVD back in.
>
> 19:19 "Scanning Disc for index files"
>
> 19:21 Selected "desktop environment" by pressing the space bar.
> I hadn't realised before that you had to press the space bar - to get an
> asterisk into the checkbox. The checkbox was highlighted - so I thought
> you just had to press enter.
This is counter-intuitive and, in my opinion, ought to be changed.
> 19:44 (NOW) Loads of white writing is flashing by on a black background.
> This has been going on for ages. Last time I aborted at this stage -
> because the messages made me think it was fetching lots of stuff from
> the Internet - but maybe it wasn't? Haven't a clue what's happening!
> I will wait a while and see what happens next.
>
> 19:47 (ANOTHER NOW) (This is real stream-of-consciousness writing!)
> Something has happened.
> "Configuring xserver-xfree86"
> Well ... there is a driver called ati ... so I'll go for that.
> The card is an ATI Radeon 7000.
>
> 19:53 Do I want the mouse and monitor autodetected?
> Yep - might as well. Scrubbed the mouse around enthusiastically, in an
> effort to co-operate.
>
> 19:56 Loads more scrolling writing on screen.
> Says it's selecting things that were previously deselected.
> That sounds indecisive to me!
> Lets categorise that as a mystery - and relax.
It's just the way the installer works. The scripts add selections that
weren't previously selected.
> 20:06 "Configuring Exim v4 (exim4-config)"
> I don't understand the questions here.
> Mine is just a home computer - connected to an ISP via a router.
> None of the options seem to apply.
> I will say "no configuration at this time".
>
> 20:10 More questions about mail. Don't understand at all.
> Muddled through.
You ought to configure Exim if you want the system to be able to
inform you of problems. It looks as if you want the "local delivery
only" option.
> 20:14 Graphical login screen appeared - and I logged in as a normal
> user.
> WOW - Has this actually worked at last?
Yes!
> I'm off to play with it now - but - is there a checklist of things I
> should do next?
Check sound - if it doesn't work, ask, giving details of your sound
card. It probably *will* work, with a little configuration.
Check printing - if it doesn't work, do as I suggested for sound.
Set up an email client. KMail? Thunderbird? Sylpheed? ...?
Set up a news client. KNode? Pan? ...?
Set up a web browser. Konqueror? Firefox? Epiphany? ...?
If you're like me, you'll want to try all the options. if you're even
more like me, you'll eventually prefer non-GUI programs for some
tasks.
> If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
*Before* exposing the box to the Internet, I hope!
> and doing loads of configuring.
>
> What's the equivalent for Debian?
You probably want to configure a firewall. I suggest GuardDog, since
you're using KDE and prefer GUIs.
At a command prompt, in Konsole for instance, as root type:
apt-get install synaptic
This will give you a GUI package manager as an alternative to
"apt-get". In synaptic, search for "guarddog", install it and then
run it.
By default, GuardDog blocks absolutely everything, so you'll need to
configure it to allow the outgoing connections you want. You probably
don't want to allow any incoming connections.
You probably won't need anti-virus software until Linux viruses are
available to the average script-kiddie.
Make sure that you're receiving security updates. Look at
/etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it includes "deb
http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" or something similar.
Well done.
PJR :-)
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| Bill Marcum 2005-10-07, 5:52 pm |
| On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:03:02 +0100, Chris
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
> Same problem as with Ubuntu - in that monitor resolution is wrong.
> It's a TFT Hansol H530 which should run at 1024x768 - and it's at
> 800x600 with no option to change.
> What do I need to do?
>
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
You might need to download drivers from the ATI web site.
> Also - I would like to start posting to this newsgroup from the Debian
> machine - because then I could copy and paste things into articles - but
> Debian doesn't seem to have a news client installed.
> Advice welcomed and appreciated.
Install slrn, pan or evolution.
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of the powerless is petty theft.
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| Bernhard Kastner 2005-10-08, 2:46 am |
| Chris wrote:
>
> Same problem as with Ubuntu - in that monitor resolution is wrong.
> It's a TFT Hansol H530 which should run at 1024x768 - and it's at
> 800x600 with no option to change.
> What do I need to do?
>
You've already asked that question and got an answer: Edit
/etc/X11/XF86config-4
> Also - I would like to start posting to this newsgroup from the Debian
> machine - because then I could copy and paste things into articles - but
> Debian doesn't seem to have a news client installed.
> Advice welcomed and appreciated.
apt-get install mozilla
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-08, 5:49 pm |
| Chris wrote:
Useful if your machine is a part of a domain, and has a FQDN. As a normal
home user, you need not worry about it.
[vbcol=seagreen]
If Debian is the only system, installing to MBR is ok. But otherwise it can
cause problems (Debian makes this clear at the time you select MBR vs.
first sector of boot partition).
[vbcol=seagreen]
That can throw a newbie 
[vbcol=seagreen]
My main beef with that name. It nonplussed me too when I first installed
Debian. Now it just gives me reason to laugh. deselect is the name of
program (probably someone's poor idea of DEbian SELECT). Seriously, the
name of this program ought to be changed in the interest of understanding
of what it really does.
[vbcol=seagreen]
Good choice.
[vbcol=seagreen]
apt-get install guarddog (I assume you will be using KDE).
That is the firewall. You do not need any anti-virus program because
(barring some academic examples) you are not affected by viruses (unless
you intend to run this machine as a mailserver or something for a bunch of
windoze machines in which case you might want to install ClamAV to protect
*those* machines).
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> 20:57 Diary continued ...
>
> Same problem as with Ubuntu - in that monitor resolution is wrong.
> It's a TFT Hansol H530 which should run at 1024x768 - and it's at
> 800x600 with no option to change.
> What do I need to do?
Look at the contents of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
>
> Also - I would like to start posting to this newsgroup from the Debian
> machine - because then I could copy and paste things into articles - but
> Debian doesn't seem to have a news client installed.
> Advice welcomed and appreciated.
apt-get install knode
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| John Hasler 2005-10-08, 5:49 pm |
| Madhusudan Singh writes:
> My main beef with that name. It nonplussed me too when I first installed
> Debian. Now it just gives me reason to laugh. deselect is the name of
> program (probably someone's poor idea of DEbian SELECT).
The name of the program is 'dselect'. "Deselect" is just an unfortunate
choice of word.
--
John Hasler
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| In article <4347eba0$0$49021$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Madhusudan Singh
<spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> writes
>Chris wrote:
>
>
>If Debian is the only system, installing to MBR is ok. But otherwise it can
>cause problems (Debian makes this clear at the time you select MBR vs.
>first sector of boot partition).
What problems? I have XP on C: and then another primary partition D: -
FAT32 - and then the Debian partitions - on an 80 Gig drive.
There don't *seem* to be any problems.
When I (frequently) remove Linux I just boot to the XP Recovery Console
and use fixmbr.
I didn't notice a warning - and I haven't had a problem with other
distros.
What actually *is* the problem.
>
>That can throw a newbie
Yes - I wonder why there are no instructions on the installation
windows?
(Mandrake has them.)
>
>My main beef with that name. It nonplussed me too when I first installed
>Debian. Now it just gives me reason to laugh. deselect is the name of
>program (probably someone's poor idea of DEbian SELECT). Seriously, the
>name of this program ought to be changed in the interest of understanding
>of what it really does.
Thanks for that!
>apt-get install guarddog (I assume you will be using KDE).
>That is the firewall.
Another problem. The built in repositories do not seem to work - and I
haven't been able to find what to use. Please could you suggest some
repositories or links to some.
>
>Look at the contents of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
Have looked. Could try guessing what to do. Bad idea!
Is there a guide anywhere?
>
>apt-get install knode
Knode is installed - but I couldn't get it working - which is really
surprising - because I have used lots of news clients - with never a
problem - ever.
It said it was fetching the list of newsgroups - but then didn't display
them.
If I could get apt-get working I could install another news client -
such as Thunderbird - which I have used with Windows.
Please help me to get apt-get going.
What I need is the repository addresses.
--
Chris
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-08, 5:49 pm |
| Chris wrote:
> In article <4347eba0$0$49021$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Madhusudan Singh
> <spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> writes
>
> What problems? I have XP on C: and then another primary partition D: -
> FAT32 - and then the Debian partitions - on an 80 Gig drive.
> There don't *seem* to be any problems.
> When I (frequently) remove Linux I just boot to the XP Recovery Console
> and use fixmbr.
> I didn't notice a warning - and I haven't had a problem with other
> distros.
> What actually *is* the problem.
>
Windows bootloader can sometims complain about grub on MBR. If your windows
bootloader is fine with that, then there are no problems.
>
> Yes - I wonder why there are no instructions on the installation
> windows?
> (Mandrake has them.)
There are. Use google.
>
>
> Thanks for that!
>
>
> Another problem. The built in repositories do not seem to work - and I
> haven't been able to find what to use. Please could you suggest some
> repositories or links to some.
The following line in /etc/apt/sources.list should help :
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
followed by apt-get update, which will get the repositories you need.
First of all, is your networking up and working ? apt-get will not work
without that.
>
> Have looked. Could try guessing what to do. Bad idea!
> Is there a guide anywhere?
Use google. It has monitor sections, graphics card sections, etc. Make sure
that you are on runlevel 3 before you mess with it (in case you end up
making the xserver go into an endless sequence of restarts because of a
mistake in the configuration file).
>
>
> Knode is installed - but I couldn't get it working - which is really
> surprising - because I have used lots of news clients - with never a
> problem - ever.
> It said it was fetching the list of newsgroups - but then didn't display
> them.
First confirm that your networking is up and working. How do you connect to
the net ?
>
> If I could get apt-get working I could install another news client -
> such as Thunderbird - which I have used with Windows.
That is a matter of personal preference.
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| Madhusudan Singh wrote:
> Chris wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> First confirm that your networking is up and working. How do you connect
> to the net ?
Aha - it is working now - at least, if you eventually can read this.
The problem was that KNode said it was getting the list of newsgroups and
then got to 100% ... and then just stopped ... for ages ... and I thought
it had finished. Eventually - after a few minutes - it did display the
list of newsgroups - quite a long list - because I use the Giganews server
- and that carries about 100,000 newsgroups.
I will deal with the other points in a separate article - after I see
whether this got to you.
Thanks for your patience, which is much appreciated.
Please forgive my incompetence!
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| Madhusudan Singh wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
I guessed - and edited it - and it seems to have worked.
I did make a backup first and so if you think I've done something stupid I
will put it back.
This is what the file looked like before I butchered it:
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades
*only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
# cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
Section "Files"
FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "GLcore"
Load "bitmap"
Load "dbe"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "record"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
Load "vbe"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Generic Video Card"
Driver "ati"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "H530"
HorizSync 30-61
VertRefresh 56-76
Option "DPMS"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Generic Video Card"
Monitor "H530"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
All I did was to change the very last mention of "800x600" to "1024x768".
So instead of:
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
we now have:
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "640x480"
EndSubSection
Does that seem good enough?
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-08, 5:49 pm |
| Chris wrote:
>
> Aha - it is working now - at least, if you eventually can read this.
I can. Congratulations.
> The problem was that KNode said it was getting the list of newsgroups and
> then got to 100% ... and then just stopped ... for ages ... and I thought
> it had finished. Eventually - after a few minutes - it did display the
> list of newsgroups - quite a long list - because I use the Giganews server
> - and that carries about 100,000 newsgroups.
KNode sorts that initial list by default. Which I imagine would take some
time.
> Thanks for your patience, which is much appreciated.
You are welcome.
> Please forgive my incompetence!
Patiently fixing a problem through smart experimentation is not
incompetence.
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| A. Ben Hmeda 2005-10-10, 7:48 am |
| <snipped>
> If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
> and doing loads of configuring.
>
> What's the equivalent for Debian?
This is what I usually do after
-I configure repositories to debian.yorku.ca using synaptic and do an
update (if applicable here)
-For Java support on Mozilla browser, download JRE http://java.sun.com
unpack, run the installer script from console as root by typing ./
before the filename then ln -s
/usr/lib/JavaDirectory/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to
/home/yourDirectory/.mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
-Do the same for FlashPlayer and RealPlayer http://www.real.com/
-Download Windows codecs for Xine here
http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/re...0050412.tar.bz2
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| Alan Connor 2005-10-10, 7:48 am |
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| Robert Glueck 2005-10-10, 5:48 pm |
| Chris wrote:
> If it was XP I would be installing ZoneAlarm and AVG antivirus etc.
> and doing loads of configuring.
>
> What's the equivalent for Debian?
For antivirus, f-prot with qtfprot is good although it's not
really needed. It checks your Linux partition for Windows
viruses and worms etc. so that you don't infect Windows
machines through filesharing or LAN or through email. I
don't think it checks for native Linux malware; I think
there's no program that does (except of course chkrootkit
and rootkit hunter which track down Linux rootkits; they'd
be useful to install and use).
For firewalls, the easy installs are Firestarter or Guarddog
which give you a good basic firewall. For more complete
control, Shorewall is good, managed through Webmin.
| |
| Robert Glueck 2005-10-12, 5:59 pm |
| Chris posted a note in the preceding thread on his problems
with installing Debianpure to which I replied that "I
actually had no problems with installing Debianpure, and I'm
delighted with it and highly recommend it."
Chris replied: "Could you please give your personal
instructions, which will probably be more complete than the
few lines on the Debian Pure site."
I opted to give my reply here in this thread because we're
talking basically about an install of pure Debian using the
Debian installer.
My response:
Please see my statement in context: I've installed close to
two dozen different Linux distros so far, and I'm somewhat
accustomed to the routine. I had expected a lot of pain
from a Debian install, and installing Debianpure (and Zen
Linux) turned out to be not nearly that bad.
I think Debianpure uses the new Debian installer for Sarge
3.1 which is much better than anything they offered
previously, and Debianpure has merely added a couple of
install scripts that makes it easier to use.
From my install notes from 6/20/05):
I used the Debian sarge installation CD (built on 20050603),
downloaded as DEBIANPURE-1.ISO from www.debianpure.com. My
notes say, that I "followed the prompts of the Debian
text-based installer" down to the disk partitioning step
where I chose "Manually edit partition table".
I had previously prepared a 3.3 GB partition which held
another Linux OS that I was ready to overwrite. That
partition had been set up way back with QtParted which I
prefer to use from the live System Rescue CD-x86 (v.0.2.15)
rather than from the Knoppix live CD. The former doesn't
mount any partitions, hence they would never be "busy" which
can give rise to partition table problems when you modify
the partitions; the latter does mount partitions by default,
they may be "busy", and therefore I'm leery of using
QtParted from the Knoppix CD (but then, I guess, with the
Knoppix CD I could just unmount all partitions that are
affected by the reformatting).
I then chose "Go to IDE1 slave (hdb) 80 GB" -> #4 primary
3.3 GB ext 3 <enter> -> You are editing partition #4 etc.
etc. -> "Partition settings" -> Use as: do not use <enter>,
Bootable flag: off, Size: 3.3 GB -> How to use it: Ext3
<enter>. Then "You are editing partition #4 ...": Ext3;
format it; Mount point: /; Mount options: defaults; Label:
/; Reserved blocks: 5%; Typical usage: standard; Bootable
flag: off; Size: 3.3 GB -> Done setting up partition ->
Finish partitioning and write changes to disk.-> yes. The
installer then summarized: "The following partitions are
going to be formatted: partition #4 of IDE1 slave (hdb) as
ext3 (Yes), partition #6 of IDE1 slave (hdb) as swap (yes)
-> Write the changes to disk -> Yes.
That set up the partitions. Now the installer said
"Installing the Debian base system" and started querying
about the boot loader -> "Install the GRUB boot loader on a
hard disk", "Install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot
record?" -> No. There was the choice of installing GRUB on
a floppy (fd0); that's the one I picked.
To backtrack a little: I have two HDD, hda and hdb. hda
houses Windows XP, hdb has 10 partitions on it, one for
Linux swap (hdb6, 0.5 GB), the rest for use by various Linux
OS's. My master boot loader is LILO which I installed from
Xandros OS; it resides on the MBR of hda. When I boot my
machine, the Xandros LILO splash screen comes up and
displays the choices of all the OS's into which I 'm able to
boot, Win XP included. Whenever I install a new Linux OS, I
finish that installation, then shut off the machine, then
reboot and boot into Xandros. When Xandros boots it checks
the partition table and rewrites its fstab as well as the
entries in the LILO boot splash screen. If there has been a
change in the partition table, these two items will be
updated. I then shut down the machine again and reboot, and
now a new entry for the newly installed Linux OS will show
up on the LILO boot splash screen, and I can boot into that
new OS.
My policy has been to retain the LILO installed by Xandros
as the master boot loader in the MBR on hda, and in a new
install, when I get to the point of having to choose where
to install the boot loader (which may be LILO or GRUB), I
NEVER allow it to be installed in the MBR of hda (that's
often the default choice) but choose to install it in the
root dir (i.e. /) of the partition in which I want to
install the new OS, or if that choice isn't available (or I
suspect that I may run into boot problems with the new OS
and I want to be sure I can boot it from a floppy) I choose
to install it on a floppy, or if the choices are confusing,
I choose to not install it at all. I don't think Debianpure
gave me the first choice (install GRUB on / of hdb4) but I
had the choice of installing it on a floppy, and I took
that. So the installer wrote GRUB to a floppy.
Then I got the messages "Running "update"" -> Finish the
installation -> Installation complete -> Remove CD-ROM and
floppy -> Continue -> This will reboot. My machine rebooted
(there was no entry for Debianpure in the Xandros LILO
splash screen list as yet), I booted it into Xandros, waited
for that to complete, then shut it down, rebooted, and now
there was a new entry in the list of bootable OS's, i.e.
#12. Debian GNU (that's how Xandros identified Debianpure as).
I clicked on that and booted into Debianpure, getting a
screen with the entry "Debian Configuration / Debian base
system configuration". First configured time zone, root and
user setup. Then came "Apt configuration" -> Access method:
ftp -> Mirror country: US -> Select mirror:
mirror.mcs.anl.gov (that's a good and fast ftp server at the
Argonne Natl. Labs), software to install: Desktop
environment (I chose nothing else). Next, the installer
downloaded about 700 packages (about 500 MB) at 250-500
KB/sec; that took 18 min.
Next, some more config choices: Exim v.4, xserver-xfree86 ->
X server driver (the default was VESA, I chose i810 because
I have the Intel i845 graphics chipset integrated in the
motherboard as my "videocard") -> mouse autodetection: Yes
-> monitor autodetection: yes. Next, lots of scrolling
messages of "selecting previously deselected (sic!)
packages" (confusing, isn't it, deselect here doesn't mean
de-select, see this thread), "unpacking", "setting up",
"rebuilding the database". Finally, the install finished
with a root prompt #. I entered startx, and up came a Gnome
desktop @800x600.
That's not the right resolution for my LCD display which
needs 1280x1024@60Hz; I needed to reconfigure the X server.
In a root console I entered "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86" and then made all the appropriate choices
needed for my X server system regarding xserver driver,
video card, keyboard, mouse, and monitor. Then exited root
console -> then ctrl-alt-bksp -> at root prompt again
entered startx, this brought me back to a Gnome desktop,
still only with 800x600 resolution. But then I went to
Applications > Desktop Preferences > Screen Resolution >
1280x1024 > Refresh Rate: 61 Hz -> Apply, and BINGO, I got
the proper resolution, 1280x1024@60Hz. That wasn't so bad,
was it?
-----
After I wrote all of this, I went to the Debianpure site and
quickly looked it over. It seems Robert Tolu has changed
quite a bit since my install (which was v.0.1); he's up to
v.0.4 now and changed to a 2.6 kernel (my install has a 2.4
kernel) and he "further automated the installer". You may
be using a different installer from what I used. Judging
from what Robert says on his Installation page, I used the
5-point "CD installation", definitely not the "net install"
(I never encountered any of the netinstall scripts). On the
other hand, in the "Apt configuration" section of the
installation, I thought I was downloading a lot of stuff
from the ftp server rather than getting it from the CD.
In the end, I wasn't completely clear about exactly what I
had installed. Was it a Debian 3.1 sarge (=stable) system
or was it a Debian etch (=testing) system? In an email to
Robert, I said "I also had the impression that at first
stable was installed (i.e. sarge) and then later a lot of
those packages were replaced with packages from testing
(i.e. etch)."
I believe what confused me was the phrase "selecting
previously deselected packages". I thought first one set of
packages had been installed (e.g. from the CD, possibly
sarge) and then some of them had been deselected and an
equivalent set selected from a different repository (e.g.
etch) and was then being installed through a download from
the net.
Robert's reply to my email is below (and perhaps he got a
little confused too, see his postscript). I'm pretty
confident now that I have a straight sarge install of the
basic desktop environment with both Gnome and KDE, and no
mixed sources.
Wrt Debianpure vs. Zen Linux vs. Ubuntu: With the first two
you get a 100% pure Debian system, with all the massive help
available from Debian docs and mailing lists and newsgroups
and forums that pertain to pure Debian. With Ubuntu (and
Mepis and Xandros etc.) you don't have a pure Debian system,
and you have to rely on their repositories and hope that
they provide documentation on all the tweaks and
customizations that they may have done. Xandros, for
example, doesn't provide any such documentation, and you're
left in the dark as to what in their OS is Debian and what
is Xandros' customization (and exactly how they modified it).
Cheers,
Robert
-------------
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your interest in Debian Pure and a special
thanks for your message to distrowatch. It's much
appreciated. To answer some of your questions, Debian
Pure is the Sarge installer with some packages added
onto the disk for installation ease. When you boot
the CD, you are installing a base Debian Sarge System.
If you do not run any of the scripts included on the
CD, you will be running Sarge (now considered Stable)
and you are able to choose your apt repositories when
going through the base config after the first reboot.
If you use the scripts, they will copy over your apt
sources for you. There is an option to install using
a more recent kernel. Simply type "linux26" at the CD
boot prompt and be sure to choose the 2.6.8 kernel
when prompted. If you wish to upgrade to a more
recent kernel without reinstalling, simply load a
terminal, type "su" and your root password and then
"apt-get install kernel-image". This will give you a
list of possible options. Choose a more recent
version and simply "apt-get install
kernel-image-whateveryouchoose". Reboot, and you
should be all set. In any case, I hope I have
answered your questions, and if I haven't, please feel
free to email me again. And thank you for using
Debianpure!
Robert, Project Leader
P.S. Based on what you described below, I'm sure you
are now running a Debian proper system. However, it
sounds like your sources may be mixed which generally
isn't a good idea. Try reinstalling and run one of
the netinstall scripts. Enjoy!
> Hello Debianpure folks,
>
> The Debianpure CD is really fantastic; I'm very
> happy with what I got with
> it. But I'm not exactly sure what I got with it! I
> downloaded
> DEBIANPURE-1.ISO build 20050603 on 6/20/05 when
> there was nothing but a
> "here" link for the download URL on your home page
> (before the link to
> ibiblio was added).
>
> I booted the CD that I burned from the ISO and
> rather than using your
> installation instructions with various choices of
> shell scripts (which I
> discovered only later) I just followed the prompts
> of the Debian text
> installer. I kept notes, and proceeding in this
> way, I don't have a record
> of being given the choice of GNOME vs. KDE install
> and core vs. full install
> and CD vs. net install.
>
> What I appear to have gotten is a Debian base
> install plus the one extra
> module I'd marked, i.e. the Desktop Environment, and
> I got BOTH GNOME and
> KDE and apparently quite a lot of either - the
> install adds up to 2 GB.
> Also my install came from the CD AND from the net,
> in fact quite a bit from
> the net (about 15 min over a broadband connection).
> I also had the
> impression that at first stable was installed (i.e.
> sarge) and then later a
> lot of those packages were replaced with packages
> from testing (i.e. etch).
>
> I'm very happy with what I got but I'm not sure
> exactly what I got. Did I
> get the full GNOME plus the full KDE install or the
> core GNOME plus the core
> KDE install? Did I get testing or stable? Also, I
> got the 2.4.27 kernel.
> Was there a choice of getting a 2.6... kernel? Can
> I upgrade to the more
> recent kernel?
>
> Thank you so much for this terrific piece of work
> that will be useful to
> many Linux users. Perhaps I can finally settle now
> on pure Debian as my
> perfect Linux distro.
>
> I'm appending a "first impression" that I sent to
> Distrowatch.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Robert
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Posted to Distrowatch
>
> I installed Debianpure yesterday, and I'm mighty
> impressed! The ISO can be
> burned to a 600 MB CD which installs a Debian base
> system which can then be
> amplified by downloading your choices of additional
> modules from the net. Of
> course, it can then be further customized with
> apt-get (or synaptic)
> installs from the Debian testing repositories.
>
> I only installed the desktop environment in addition
> to the base; the total
> install came to 2 GB and took about 30 min. You get
> a lot with that! You get
> both Gnome and KDE 3.3.2, and you can easily switch
> between the two by
> logging out and then logging in again. You can also
> easily run most of the
> KDE programs from within Gnome and many of the Gnome
> programs from within
> KDE.
>
> The new Debian sarge installer is excellent, and the
> install is pretty easy
> and straightforward. You just have to know a little
> about disk partitioning
> and boot loaders and possibly about configuring the
> X server. In my case,
> the installer didn't recognize my monitor properly,
> and I chose to go the
> route of assembling my own xserver-xfree86 config
> file, following the
> prompts of an installer routine provided for that
> purpose (dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xfree86). That was pretty easy, and it gave
> me the perfect video
> config. So, basically no problems installing
> Debianpure.
>
> I've been using Xandros for a year, along with other
> distros, and have
> increasingly felt an itch to move to a pure Debian
> system but dreaded all
> the work that I would have had to put into making
> that change. Debianpure is
> the perfect solution for getting a solid and rounded
> base install of Debian
> without any pain. I can customize and expand this
> now to my heart's content,
> and I have total control over how I build my Debian
> system.
>
> The Debianpure install is fast, responsive and
> stable, and it provides most
> everything you'd want. What's not there can be
> installed swiftly with
> Synaptic which is a fantastic piece of software,
> much better than Xandros
> Networks.
>
> I hope Ladislav will consider Debianpure to be a
> separate distro, along the
> lines of Mepis and Kanotix (which are essentially
> nicely packaged 100%
> Debian distros) so that it remains a distinct entity
> on the Distrowatch hit
> list. If he does so, I wouldn't be surprised if
> Debianpure quickly rises on
> the hit list. There are a lot of people who prefer
> Debian over the other
> major distros and who would like to run a pure
> Debian system rather than a
> tweaked Debian distro such as Xandros or Ubuntu.
> Debianpure fits that bill
> perfectly. It's a ridiculously easy way of getting
> pure Debian.
>
> Robert
| |
| A. Ben Hmeda 2005-10-12, 5:59 pm |
| Alan Connor wrote:
> On alt.os.linux.debian, in <gNWdnWHmcNPCv9feRVn-pA@rogers.com>, "A. Ben Hmeda" wrote:
> <body not downloaded>
>
> A. Ben Hmeda
> Results 1 - 25 of 25 posts in the last year
> 9 alt.os.linux
> 6 alt.os.linux.debian
> 1 alt.os.linux.libranet
> 1 comp.os.linux
> 2 comp.os.linux.advocacy
> 5 comp.os.linux.hardware
> 1 rec.music.arabic
>
> AC
>
and????
| |
|
| In article <T8GdnbPdLt04s9HeRVn-oA@rcn.net>, Robert Glueck <rglk@web.de>
writes
>Chris posted a note in the preceding thread on his problems with
>installing Debianpure to which I replied that "I actually had no
>problems with installing Debianpure, and I'm delighted with it and
>highly recommend it."
>Chris replied: "Could you please give your personal instructions, which
>will probably be more complete than the few lines on the Debian Pure
>site."
>I opted to give my reply here in this thread because we're talking
>basically about an install of pure Debian using the Debian installer.
>My response:
<SNIP>
Robert - thanks very much for such a detailed and helpful reply.
You have brought up lots for me to ponder.
Now that I have actually got Sarge installed, there may be no point in
using one of the other distros - as long as I can find good support for
Sarge - and, although this newsgroup is low-traffic, those subscribing
to it are amazingly helpful - which is much appreciated ... I do not
take such help for granted - and am extremely grateful.
There would seem to be a lot to be said for being decisive enough to
stick to one distro - in that it would avoid detailed differences in the
way of doing similar things - like the confusion that arises if you use
both Photoshop and PaintShopPro - where the menu items are in slightly
different places.
Better to stick to one and become fairly competent.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do next ... probably install things and
try to find out whether I could use Sarge as my main system, instead of
XP.
So I'll hold further questions for now - but I just wanted to reply
immediately to thank you for you considerate response.
--
Chris
| |
|
| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:11:14 -0400, Bill Marcum wrote:
> You might need to download drivers from the ATI web site.
NO! For an ati radeon 7000, the drivers in xfree86 are perfect.
--
Frank Van Damme
| |
|
| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:06:50 +0200, Bernhard Kastner wrote:
> Haha, yor're done ;)
> Maybe you want to remove some unused packages like exim and install nice
> things like KDE, ...
Maybe a tool that sets up a firewall in an easy way won't be superfluous
luxury. I can't make many recommendations since I have a hand-written
iptables setup...
--
Frank Van Damme
| |
|
| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:27:52 +0100, Amarok wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
> Antivirus ? What's that ??
Something that check mails passing through your email system for windows
virii ;)
Like ClamAV.
--
Frank Van Damme
| |
| linxlvr 2005-10-12, 5:59 pm |
| 8><------------------------------
> I'm not sure what I'm going to do next ... probably install things and
> try to find out whether I could use Sarge as my main system, instead of
> XP.
8><--------------------------------
I don't know if you can, but I know I swore off MS 1998 and haven't had to
return. This includes having kids in school, wife, comp sci in a
small college that had MS machine, etc. all fine with it.
My mom, (70) missed linux when she got a laptop w/ wireless and all, I
never changed it over. She had been running Linux for about 2 yrs and
loved it. The thing she misses most is frozen-bubbles. :-)
I say these things to encourage you that Linux is QUITE do-able, but
yes, it is harder to setup, especially hardware wise. But debian is
great at not messing up your settings when updating w/apt-get, and I
think you sticking it out w/ sarge should be a very good idea.
-- dw
| |
| Bernhard Kastner 2005-10-12, 5:59 pm |
| yalu wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:06:50 +0200, Bernhard Kastner wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Maybe a tool that sets up a firewall in an easy way won't be superfluous
> luxury. I can't make many recommendations since I have a hand-written
> iptables setup...
>
What for? Just keep an eye on the services you run and check the
security updates of them...
| |
| Meat Loaf 2005-10-13, 5:54 pm |
|
>
> Also - I would like to start posting to this newsgroup from the Debian
> machine - because then I could copy and paste things into articles - but
> Debian doesn't seem to have a news client installed.
> Advice welcomed and appreciated.
If you use the default kde desktop, as I am now, you can use newsreader
KNODE. I works quite well and easy to configure.
| |
|
| Meat Loaf wrote:
Chris wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> If you use the default kde desktop, as I am now, you can use
> newsreader
> KNODE. I works quite well and easy to configure.
Thanks. I am using KDE now - and KNode - as you can see from the
headers. It does seem easy to use.
How do you keep a thread?
| |
|
| In article <pan.2005.10.12.14.39.20.692680@u1010293.ul.warwick.net>,
linxlvr <donius@u1010293.ul.warwick.net> writes
>8><------------------------------
>8><--------------------------------
>
>I don't know if you can, but I know I swore off MS 1998 and haven't had to
>return. This includes having kids in school, wife, comp sci in a
>small college that had MS machine, etc. all fine with it.
>
>My mom, (70) missed linux when she got a laptop w/ wireless and all, I
>never changed it over. She had been running Linux for about 2 yrs and
>loved it. The thing she misses most is frozen-bubbles. :-)
>
>I say these things to encourage you that Linux is QUITE do-able, but
>yes, it is harder to setup, especially hardware wise. But debian is
>great at not messing up your settings when updating w/apt-get, and I
>think you sticking it out w/ sarge should be a very good idea.
That *is* encouraging indeed - and I probably will persist.
I'm about to reinstall because I get error messages from Synaptic - and
I reckon my install DVD might have been less than perfect in that it
gave read errors when I tried to copy it.
I'm looking for ways to do things that I do in XP.
One thing is to quickly send a photograph by right-clicking it and
selecting "Send to Mail Recipient" whereupon XP resizes the pic and
jpegs it down and launches an email with it as an attachment.
Is there anything like that in Debian?
--
Chris
| |
| Robert Glueck 2005-10-13, 5:54 pm |
| Meat Loaf wrote:
>
> If you use the default kde desktop, as I am now, you can use newsreader
> KNODE. I works quite well and easy to configure.
>
>
An excellent option for a newsreader would be Mozilla
Thunderbird. There must be a recent deb package available
for it. Otherwise you can get the current version (v.1.0.7)
of the installer directly from the Mozilla website and
install it e.g. in your home dir.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla....rd-1.0.7.tar.gz
| |
| Robert Glueck 2005-10-13, 5:54 pm |
| I hadn't realized, Chris, that you're poised halfway between
Windows XP and Linux, testing the waters and perhaps wanting
to make the transition. In such a situation, why don't you
start out with an easy Debian distro such as Ubuntu/Kubuntu
or Mepis which are quite user-friendly and save a transition
to straight Debian for later, if at all.
Robert
| |
|
| On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:08:38 -0400, Robert Glueck <rglk@web.de> wrote
in alt.os.linux.debian:
> Meat Loaf wrote:
>
> An excellent option for a newsreader would be Mozilla
> Thunderbird.
Thunderbird is a good email client, but I find it somewhat too lacking
in features to use as a newsreader, compared with Pan or Knode. (I'm
hesitant to recommend Slrn or Gnus to a newbie, but I hope the OP will
try one or both of them one day.)
> There must be a recent deb package available
> for it.
Yes. apt-get mozilla-thunderbird, or find it in synaptic.
> Otherwise you can get the current version (v.1.0.7)
> of the installer directly from the Mozilla website and
> install it e.g. in your home dir.
Using apt-get or a front-end to it is much more convenient. Almost
everything is available as a .deb, either from the official
repositories or from elsewhere. Installing RealPlayer and Opera, for
instance, is a cinch.
PJR :-)
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| |
|
| In article <T8KdnVCYZ5UrFdPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@rcn.net>, Robert Glueck
<rglk@web.de> writes
>I hadn't realized, Chris, that you're poised halfway between Windows XP
>and Linux, testing the waters and perhaps wanting to make the
>transition. In such a situation, why don't you start out with an easy
>Debian distro such as Ubuntu/Kubuntu or Mepis which are quite
>user-friendly and save a transition to straight Debian for later, if at
>all.
Partly because I am attracted by the pure non-commercial nature of
Debian, which makes it the extreme opposite of Windows and hence defines
the other end of a continuum.
Also - I thought it would be better to concentrate on one distro from
the start - so as not to have to unlearn details of configuration.
--
Chris
| |
|
| On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:48 -0400, Robert Glueck <rglk@web.de> wrote
in alt.os.linux.debian:
> I hadn't realized, Chris, that you're poised halfway between
> Windows XP and Linux, testing the waters and perhaps wanting
> to make the transition. In such a situation, why don't you
> start out with an easy Debian distro such as Ubuntu/Kubuntu
> or Mepis which are quite user-friendly and save a transition
> to straight Debian for later, if at all.
I hope I'm not misrepresenting Chris's views, but I got the impression
that
1. He approves of the "original" Debian philosophy.
2. He has some experience with rpm-based distributions.
3. He *likes* working out how to solve difficulties.
I remember how terrifying Debian Potato was compared with Mandrake,
but Sarge is easy in comparison, and any remaining difficulties,
compared with "easier" Debian variants, are, in my opinion, worth the
trouble of overcoming. I've had exactly one problem since June that
wasn't trivial to solve or work around with a little Googling, and I'm
running Sid, not Sarge. And on the newbie-to-guru scale I'd place
myself much closer to newbie. So there's no reason to discourage
somebody who has limited Linux experience from using Debian. In the
words of one of my heroes, Silvanus P Thompson, author of _Calculus
Made Easy_ (pub. 1910): "What one fool can do, another can."
Excuse the mini-rant, but standard advice in this group seems
sometimes to be "Don't use Debian, it's too hard", to which I answer
"Do use Debian, it's easy once you get the hang of it".
PJR :-)
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|
| In article <slrndkt5le.iuf.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
<pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>
>I hope I'm not misrepresenting Chris's views, but I got the impression
>that
>
> 1. He approves of the "original" Debian philosophy.
Yes - I do.
> 2. He has some experience with rpm-based distributions.
Yes - I have played with Mandrake - and a few others - and tried a few
live CDs.
> 3. He *likes* working out how to solve difficulties.
Yes - mainly - although it depends on mood.
By nature I am a mathematician - and maths is much easier than computing
because you can work things out yourself - whereas with computing it's
more a question of trying to guess what someone else might have meant!
> "What one fool can do, another can."
Oh good! I'm trying yet another install of Sarge, this time starting
with:
"boot: linux26".
Is the 26 kernel likely to be better for me?
Sempron 2800; 1 GB RAM; 80 GB HDD; ATI Radeon 7000;
ASUS A7N8X-X; 15" TFT; USB Intellimouse Explorer.
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| On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:50:03 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
in alt.os.linux.debian:
> Is the 26 kernel likely to be better for me?
> Sempron 2800; 1 GB RAM; 80 GB HDD; ATI Radeon 7000;
> ASUS A7N8X-X; 15" TFT; USB Intellimouse Explorer.
You'll probably find it easier to get sound working than with a 2.4.*
kernel.
You don't need to keep reinstalling. The only experience you'll gain
will be experience of the installer, which you may never need again.
PJR :-)
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| PJR <pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote in
news:slrndkt496.iuf.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:08:38 -0400, Robert Glueck <rglk@web.de> wrote
> in alt.os.linux.debian:
>
>
> Thunderbird is a good email client, but I find it somewhat too lacking
> in features to use as a newsreader, compared with Pan or Knode. (I'm
> hesitant to recommend Slrn or Gnus to a newbie, but I hope the OP will
> try one or both of them one day.)
What would you recommend to someone used to xnews and looking for a debian
equivalent?
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| On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:58:13 -0500, Ed
<apostle@REMOVETHISpeculiar.homeip.net> wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> PJR <pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote in
> news:slrndkt496.iuf.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net:
>
>
> What would you recommend to someone used to xnews and looking for a debian
> equivalent?
I'd recommend asking the question in news.software.readers. You need
to specify which of XNews's many features are important to you.
But if you're familiar with editing Xnews's .ini files, you might be
comfortable with Slrn.
PJR :-)
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-13, 5:54 pm |
| Chris wrote:
>
> Oh good! I'm trying yet another install of Sarge, this time starting
> with:
> "boot: linux26".
> Is the 26 kernel likely to be better for me?
> Sempron 2800; 1 GB RAM; 80 GB HDD; ATI Radeon 7000;
> ASUS A7N8X-X; 15" TFT; USB Intellimouse Explorer.
You do *not* need to reinstall. You can use the make-kpkg mechanism to
generate a debian package for a custom compiled kernel, which you can
install with a simple dpkg -i debpackage.deb command.
Please understand - linux is not windows. You do not have to reboot (though
for a new kernel you do need to uninvestigated capabilities of kexec
aside), much less reinstall for most tasks (as was probably your wont on
windows).
Debian is an install once, upgrade forever type of distro, as I am newly
fond of saying.
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| In article <slrndkt9u9.iuf.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
<pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:50:03 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote
>in alt.os.linux.debian:
>
>
>You'll probably find it easier to get sound working than with a 2.4.*
>kernel.
Sound worked automatically even with the 2.4 kernel.
>You don't need to keep reinstalling. The only experience you'll gain
>will be experience of the installer, which you may never need again.
ISWYM but I wanted to have a clean starting point - and a chance to
re-look at the options I didn't understand the first time around.
And it has gone better this time ... I got the screen resolution right
using
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
which didn't work after my last install - and after messing about with
XF86Config-4.
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| linxlvr 2005-10-24, 9:42 am |
| 8><--------------------------
> Oh good! I'm trying yet another install of Sarge, this time starting
> with:
> "boot: linux26".
> Is the 26 kernel likely to be better for me?
8><----------------------
I know I like the 26 kernel. I think it should work w/ the harware you
mention as well
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| Meat Loaf 2005-10-24, 9:42 am |
| Chris wrote:
> In article <T8KdnVCYZ5UrFdPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@rcn.net>, Robert Glueck
> <rglk@web.de> writes
>
> Partly because I am attracted by the pure non-commercial nature of
> Debian, which makes it the extreme opposite of Windows and hence defines
> the other end of a continuum.
>
> Also - I thought it would be better to concentrate on one distro from
> the start - so as not to have to unlearn details of configuration.
I have done many installs on several differnent PC's and I have always had
to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. It hasn't mattered in my
experience which kernel except when dealing with my DVD/CD burner, which is
an internal IDE drive. The kernel 2.4 requires you to lie and make it look
like a scsi drive. The first problem was I couldn't get anyone to give the
info on how to actually do this. I did, however, get the suggestion to try
2.6 because it directly supported the drive. They were correct. I have
successfully burned CD's and DVD's. The burn app even launches
automagically when I insert blank media (just like windows stuff, but for
free).
The only thing I still missing in the Linux world is an Open Source app that
can replace Microsoft Access. I have been using PostgreSQL database and it
is great, but there is no database access forms packages like Access gives
you.
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| In article <434ec613$0$49019$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Madhusudan Singh
<spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> writes
>Chris wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>You do *not* need to reinstall.
>Debian is an install once, upgrade forever type of distro, as I am newly
>fond of saying.
I agree with you - up to a point.
Fixing problems is for experts: clean installing is for beginners.
Even with Windows, it can sometimes be so difficult to diagnose a
problem that doing a clean install is more time-efficient.
Diagnostic skill is very rare - and diagnosis needs a lot of background
knowledge ... without such knowledge one would not be able to frame
reasonable hypotheses to test.
A benefit of clean installing is the firm anchor of a known starting
point.
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Chris
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| >> Oh good! I'm trying yet another install of Sarge, this time starting
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I know I like the 26 kernel. I think it should work w/ the harware you
>mention as well
It is working fine - and I liked the set-up wizard that came up at the
end of the install.
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