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Newbie seeks friendly handholding!
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| I keep wanting to get to grips with Linux - in order to learn more about
computing.
I have messed about with a few distros - enough to get a rough idea of
Linux - but now it seems advisable to make a choice and stick to it - so
as to go a bit deeper.
Debian appeals because it seems the purest distro - with no commercial
involvement whatsoever. But it has the reputation of being extremely
unfriendly to newbies - and hell to install!
So I'm going to have a go - and hope that some people on this newsgroup
will be sympathetic enough to dumb down to my level.
At the moment I'm downloading the DVD image of the first DVD for Sarge.
What would be a good learning sequence?
Is there a sort of checklist of things to learn?
Do I need books?
What is the best source of help? (I am isolated.)
Any tips about things I probably haven' thought of?
--
Chris
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| SINNER 2005-10-05, 8:56 pm |
| * Chris Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> I keep wanting to get to grips with Linux - in order to learn more
> about computing.
>
> I have messed about with a few distros - enough to get a rough
> idea of Linux - but now it seems advisable to make a choice and
> stick to it - so as to go a bit deeper.
>
> Debian appeals because it seems the purest distro - with no
> commercial involvement whatsoever. But it has the reputation of
> being extremely unfriendly to newbies - and hell to install!
Grab Ubuntu. It is Debian based and a breeze to install. Its a great,
newbie friendly distro.
>
> So I'm going to have a go - and hope that some people on this
> newsgroup will be sympathetic enough to dumb down to my level.
>
> At the moment I'm downloading the DVD image of the first DVD for
> Sarge.
>
> What would be a good learning sequence?
> Is there a sort of checklist of things to learn?
Yup:
1) Boot
2) Compute
> Do I need books?
Not really but....
http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
> What is the best source of help? (I am isolated.)
Usenet.
> Any tips about things I probably haven' thought of?
Way too many to list. Just load it up and start learning, its the
most practical and likely the fastest way to learn.
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David
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| In article <Xns96E691FD1CD04Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>, SINNER
<arcade.master@googlemail.net> writes
>* Chris Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Grab Ubuntu. It is Debian based and a breeze to install. Its a great,
>newbie friendly distro.
Point taken - although Ubuntu does involve a company - and I am
attracted to the purity of the Debian ideal.
These other distros are described as "Debian based" - and so I thought,
"Why not go to the source?"
Would I stand a chance of installing the pure Debian?
--
Chris
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| SINNER 2005-10-05, 8:56 pm |
| * Chris Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> In article <Xns96E691FD1CD04Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>,
> SINNER <arcade.master@googlemail.net> writes
>
>
> Point taken - although Ubuntu does involve a company - and I am
> attracted to the purity of the Debian ideal.
Did you read the Ubuntu mission Statement?
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
It really is a great Distro, I came to it from Mandrake and I am not
sorry.
> These other distros are described as "Debian based" - and so I
> thought, "Why not go to the source?"
> Would I stand a chance of installing the pure Debian?
Absolutely.
--
David
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| In article <Xns96E69D314542CLouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>, SINNER
<arcade.master@googlemail.net> writes
>* Chris Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Did you read the Ubuntu mission Statement?
>http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
>It really is a great Distro, I came to it from Mandrake and I am not
>sorry.
OK - I have followed your link and read it - and I am impressed.
Is it acceptable to ask about Ubuntu in this newsgroup - because I
prefer newsgroups to web forums - and there doesn't seem to be a
newsgroup for Ubuntu?
--
Chris
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| SINNER 2005-10-05, 8:56 pm |
| * Chris Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> In article <Xns96E69D314542CLouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>,
> SINNER <arcade.master@googlemail.net> writes
>
>
>
>
>
> OK - I have followed your link and read it - and I am impressed.
> Is it acceptable to ask about Ubuntu in this newsgroup - because I
> prefer newsgroups to web forums - and there doesn't seem to be a
> newsgroup for Ubuntu?
I too am partial to Newsgroups, this one is OK but not very active. I
would suggest:
comp.os.linux
comp.os.linux.misc
alt.os.linux
However the Ubuntu forums are an irreplaceable fount of knowledge and
dont miss the unofficial starter guide or the how to index at the
forums.
--
David
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| Paul Cupis 2005-10-05, 8:56 pm |
| Chris wrote:
> OK - I have followed your link and read it - and I am impressed.
> Is it acceptable to ask about Ubuntu in this newsgroup - because I
> prefer newsgroups to web forums - and there doesn't seem to be a
> newsgroup for Ubuntu?
You can use some of the Ubuntu forums via news:news.gmane.org
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| Bill Marcum 2005-10-05, 8:56 pm |
| On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:36:10 +0100, Chris
<nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
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> OK - I have followed your link and read it - and I am impressed.
> Is it acceptable to ask about Ubuntu in this newsgroup - because I
> prefer newsgroups to web forums - and there doesn't seem to be a
> newsgroup for Ubuntu?
Ubuntu has forums and mailing lists, which can be read as newsgroups on
the news.gmane.org server.
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deal with them.
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| On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:33:19 +0100, Chris wrote:
> I keep wanting to get to grips with Linux - in order to learn more about
> computing.
>
> I have messed about with a few distros - enough to get a rough idea of
> Linux - but now it seems advisable to make a choice and stick to it - so
> as to go a bit deeper.
>
> Debian appeals because it seems the purest distro - with no commercial
> involvement whatsoever. But it has the reputation of being extremely
> unfriendly to newbies - and hell to install!
>
> So I'm going to have a go - and hope that some people on this newsgroup
> will be sympathetic enough to dumb down to my level.
>
> At the moment I'm downloading the DVD image of the first DVD for Sarge.
>
> What would be a good learning sequence?
> Is there a sort of checklist of things to learn?
> Do I need books?
> What is the best source of help? (I am isolated.)
> Any tips about things I probably haven' thought of?
I'd recommend you do a Debian install from the Knoppix live CD or DVD. Or
maybe do the 'debian pure' install. I believe these will both get you to a
functioning debian with x windows quicker and more easily.
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| Alan Connor 2005-10-06, 2:46 am |
| On alt.os.linux.debian, in <Tm6+A9AvxBRDFwPh@[127.0.0.1]>, "Chris" wrote:
<body not downloaded>
Here's what
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
says about your posting history, "Chris":
Chris
Results 1 - 100 of 402,000 posts in the last year.
1 A-money-making-idea
1 Agent-Argumentation
1 EXCHANGESERVER
1 MUdrinking
1 Minds-Eye
1 Random-Witty-Name
1 World_Politics
2 alt.battlestar-galactica
1 alt.cellular.nextel
1 alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim
1 alt.marketing.online.ebay
1 alt.nl.ftp.verzoek
1 alt.politics
1 alt.politics.usa.republican
1 alt.polyamory
1 alt.religion.kibology
2 alt.support.diabetes
1 alt.tv.firefly
2 alt.tv.snl
1 aus.sport.aussie-rules
1 aus.sport.rugby-league
1 become-rich-easy
1 bgBass-L
1 borland.public.cppbuilder.language.cpp
1 comp.lang.c
1 comp.lang.java.help
1 comp.lang.java.programmer
1 comp.protocols.time.ntp
2 comp.unix.shell
1 de.alt.astrologie
1 de.etc.fahrzeug.auto
1 de.rec.garten
1 de.soc.verkehr
1 dk.edb.database
1 fa.freebsd.current
1 fr.rec.voyages
2 fr.soc.politique
2 hfx.forsale
1 ie93
1 it.arti.fotografia.digitale
1 kw.eats
1 microsoft.public.frontpage.client
1 microsoft.public.livecomm.general
1 microsoft.public.mappoint
1 microsoft.public.win32.programmer.directx.audio
1 microsoft.public.windows.mediacenter
1 microsoft.public.windows.networking.firewall
1 microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc
1 microsoft.public.windowsce.embedded.vc
1 misc.health.aids
1 mono-patches-list
1 mtl.forsale-vendre
1 myLifeOrganized
1 natinst.public.serial.general
1 netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
4 news.admin.net-abuse.sightings
1 newsletter_subscriptions
1 nl.hobby.video
1 no.alt.motorsykler
1 rec.audio.pro
1 rec.gambling.poker
1 rec.games.bridge
1 rec.games.pinball
1 rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic
1 rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz
1 rec.sport.cricket
1 sci.electronics.design
1 soc.support.fat-acceptance
1 spssx-l
1 sybase.public.sqlanywhere.general
2 talk.origins
1 talk.politics.guns
1 tw.bbs.campus.nctu
1 ucb.class.cs184
2 uk.comp.sys.mac
2 uk.d-i-y
1 uk.local.warwickshire
1 uk.misc
1 uk.people.disability
5 uk.politics.misc
1 uk.railway
1 uk.sci.astronomy
1 videoblogging
1 xen-devel-archive
1100 posts a day on average. Busy guy.
When you use a single common name for an alias, a lot of people
are going to think that you are a troll because that's what
troll's do to hide their posting histories: They make sure their
posts get lost among all of the other posts from people with
the same alias.
Do yourself a favor and go to:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
And find a unique alias by testing them in the author box.
Don't use any characters but a-zA-A0-9. Forget
about the email address, because people change them all the time
for various, legitimate, reasons.
If an alias returns zero hits, you can claim it for your own.
But unless you use it consistently, you won't be able to claim
a foul if someone else decides to use it. So don't be using
different aliases all the time like a lot of these fools do.
Myself and a lot of other people don't even read posts from
people using common names for aliases.
No, this post wasn't a big deal. My newsreader returns a report
like the above on the posting histories of anyone with a single
keystroke.
See the slrn directory on my website.
AC
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| In article <pan.2005.10.06.00.43.26.343294@zianet.com>, ray
<ray@zianet.com> writes
>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:33:19 +0100, Chris wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I'd recommend you do a Debian install from the Knoppix live CD or DVD. Or
>maybe do the 'debian pure' install. I believe these will both get you to a
>functioning debian with x windows quicker and more easily.
Thanks, Ray. When you say "debian pure" do you mean use the Sarge DVD?
Or is "debian pure" something to do with KNOPPIX?
--
Chris
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| On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:33:19 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
alt.os.linux.debian:
> I keep wanting to get to grips with Linux - in order to learn more about
> computing.
>
> I have messed about with a few distros - enough to get a rough idea of
> Linux - but now it seems advisable to make a choice and stick to it - so
> as to go a bit deeper.
>
> Debian appeals because it seems the purest distro - with no commercial
> involvement whatsoever. But it has the reputation of being extremely
> unfriendly to newbies - and hell to install!
The new Debian Installer is much easier to use than ever before. It's
still not quite as simple as Ubuntu, for instance, and it's likely
that you'll have to do some post-install configuration for some of
your hardware, but, if you have some experience of installing other
distros, there shouldn't be anything *impossible* about Debian.
After installation, Debian is no more difficult to use and maintain
than most other distros - easier than most, in some respects.
> So I'm going to have a go - and hope that some people on this newsgroup
> will be sympathetic enough to dumb down to my level.
This newsgroup is exceptionally friendly to newbies by Usenet
standards.
> At the moment I'm downloading the DVD image of the first DVD for Sarge.
>
> What would be a good learning sequence?
> Is there a sort of checklist of things to learn?
> Do I need books?
Read the official documentation from debian.org. Then read it again.
And again...
> What is the best source of help? (I am isolated.)
1. The documentation.
2. Google, especially Google Groups.
3. The man pages.
4. Usenet, especially this group.
5. The Debian mailing-lists (http://lists.debian.org)
> Any tips about things I probably haven' thought of?
Not so far, except to ignore Alan Connor's reply to your post. ;-)
PJR :-)
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| On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:36:10 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
alt.os.linux.debian:
> In article <Xns96E69D314542CLouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>, SINNER
> <arcade.master@googlemail.net> writes
>
>
>
>
>
> OK - I have followed your link and read it - and I am impressed.
> Is it acceptable to ask about Ubuntu in this newsgroup -
Nobody has answered this with an unequivocal "Yes" yet.
Unequivocally, "Yes". The group charter says so.
However, I notice some people adding "[Ubuntu]" to their subject
lines, which is a good practice and will be useful if the traffic in
the group increases or Ubuntu diverges further from "vanilla" Debian.
> because I
> prefer newsgroups to web forums - and there doesn't seem to be a
> newsgroup for Ubuntu?
Not long ago there wasn't one for Debian either. (The linux.debian.*
groups are mailing-list gateways.)
PJR :-)
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-06, 7:47 am |
| Chris wrote:
> I keep wanting to get to grips with Linux - in order to learn more about
> computing.
>
> I have messed about with a few distros - enough to get a rough idea of
> Linux - but now it seems advisable to make a choice and stick to it - so
> as to go a bit deeper.
>
> Debian appeals because it seems the purest distro - with no commercial
> involvement whatsoever. But it has the reputation of being extremely
> unfriendly to newbies - and hell to install!
>
> So I'm going to have a go - and hope that some people on this newsgroup
> will be sympathetic enough to dumb down to my level.
>
> At the moment I'm downloading the DVD image of the first DVD for Sarge.
>
> What would be a good learning sequence?
> Is there a sort of checklist of things to learn?
> Do I need books?
> What is the best source of help? (I am isolated.)
> Any tips about things I probably haven' thought of?
Have followed this thread with some interest and I will attempt to respond
to your queries in this post in a consolidated fashion.
First of all, welcome to Linux. And second, excellent choice. My own journey
into Linux started a little less than a decade ago, but I chose Redhat, and
did not switch to Debian until 2-3 years ago. In retrospect, Debian was a
superior distribution, and not due to apt-get alone.
Third, when I sent a control message to set up this newsgroup last year, I
had purposely included reference to Debian based distributions. If you
consult distrowatch, the greatest number of derivative distributions is
based on Debian, and it seemed grossly unjust that Debian did not have its
own dedicated unmoderated true newsgroup (in my opinion linux.debian.*
mailing list to newsgroup gateways do not count as they limit who can
post). So, about as unquivocal as I can make it, messages relating to
Ubuntu, Knoppix, etc. are all perfectly on-topic here. Of course, due to
the unmoderated nature of this newsgroup, there will be a difference of
opinion in the user community about what is germane and the content of the
newsgroup will change with time, but for whatever it is worth, this is what
I intended when I set it up.
That out of the way, I would like to disabuse you of the "reputation" that
Debian is allegedly hard to install. That was true when potato or woody
were stable / testing distributions. Since Sarge, the Debian installer has
been as easy to use as almost any other installer as I have come across
(and easier than some). This is what happens with urban legends - reviewers
keep propagating a truth well past its use by date, and do not bother to
confirm the current state of affairs.
That said, the choice between Ubuntu and Debian is a personal one. You
suggest that you want to learn about the innards of how Linux works. If
that be your intention, why not go to the "source" of all that is Debian
based, namely Debian itself ? This is not a knock on Ubuntu, but there is a
general trade off between complete eye candy type of ease of install and
the amount you can learn. Windoze is obviously at one extreme, and one
could argue that Linux From Scratch (LFS) is at the other. I believe that
Debian is a happy compromise between the two.
Once properly configured, I doubt (though I have no personal experience with
Ubuntu) that a Debian system will look any different from an Ubuntu one. I
have also heard that one can make a mess of one's package cache with Ubuntu
if one is not careful about using Debian apt sources (confirm it for
yourself before taking this statement as the truth).
And unlike most other non-Debian like distributions, Debian (and I assume
its derivants) are "install once, upgrade forever" type of distributions.
About 10 days ago, I did a dist-upgrade from Sarge to Etch, and it was a
matter of an unattended upgrade over lunchtime for me. For most other
distrubutions, I would have had to reinstall with a CD and lose data in
partitions that I needed to format (one can save /home and /usr/local, but
one often wants to retain as much as possible of the old setup as
possible).
And best of luck.
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| On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:15:46 +0100, Chris wrote:
> In article <pan.2005.10.06.00.43.26.343294@zianet.com>, ray
> <ray@zianet.com> writes
>
>
> Thanks, Ray. When you say "debian pure" do you mean use the Sarge DVD?
> Or is "debian pure" something to do with KNOPPIX?
If you'll check the distrowatch.com news for the last few weeks you'll
find that 'debian pure' is a new distro - another variant of debian - so
far as I recall, it has no relationship to knoppix.
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| SINNER 2005-10-06, 5:53 pm |
| * Alan Connor Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> Myself and a lot of other people don't even read posts from
> people using common names for aliases.
Please show me one post from someone that claims to do such BESIDES
your rediculous self.
--
David
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| In article <43450c17$0$49009$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Madhusudan Singh
<spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> writes
>And best of luck.
Thanks for a very full and kind reply.
I have been trying installs today - and hit some snags which I will
cover in new threads.
--
Chris
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| Alan Connor 2005-10-06, 8:46 pm |
| On alt.os.linux.debian, in <Xns96E76C24925C5Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>, "SINNER" wrote:
<body not downloaded>
Perfect. He deserves you.
(and your sockpuppets, of course)
Ever notice that a troll's sockpuppets are just as ignorant
and immature as their creator?
AC
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| In article <pan.2005.10.06.15.01.31.527575@zianet.com>, ray
<ray@zianet.com> writes
>On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:15:46 +0100, Chris wrote:
>
>
>If you'll check the distrowatch.com news for the last few weeks you'll
>find that 'debian pure' is a new distro - another variant of debian - so
>far as I recall, it has no relationship to knoppix.
>
Thanks - got it last night - had problems - will start another thread.
--
Chris
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| In article <43450c17$0$49009$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Madhusudan Singh
<spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> writes
>I would like to disabuse you of the "reputation" that Debian is
>allegedly hard to install. That was true when potato or woody were
>stable / testing distributions. Since Sarge, the Debian installer has
>been as easy to use as almost any other installer as I have come across
>(and easier than some).
Well I am having terrible trouble with the installation!
I have installed Mandrake and other distros very easily - but I can't
get anywhere with Debian - and the problem must be one of those typical
computer problems - some tiny, tiny step that is so obvious to the
author that it is taken to be obvious - and hence not even mentioned.
First let me admit that I must be a fool.
I am not feeling critical of anyone except myself.
I keep trying - but am on the point of giving up in frustration.
I do have a lot of computer experience.
I can follow instructions.
I am feeling really despondent!
The problem is that I can't get to a GUI such as KDE.
The installation proceeds - and gets me to a login prompt.
What do I do next?
Login as a user?
Login as root?
And then what?
I tried "startx" - "not recognised".
With Mandrake the install goes right through to a fully working desktop.
What am I doing wrong?
--
Chris
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| On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:12:08 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
alt.os.linux.debian:
<...>
> I tried "startx" - "not recognised".
>
> With Mandrake the install goes right through to a fully working desktop.
> What am I doing wrong?
Congratulations! You've installed a basic Debian system. However, you
seem not to have installed X or KDE. The installer you used may not
have prompted you to install extra packages, or you may have missed
the prompt.
As root, type "apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm" and follow any
prompts. (This may take some time, since it installs and configures
all the GUI stuff.)
Still as root, type "/etc/init.d/kdm start".
If all goes well, this should give you a graphical login screen (both
at once and after rebooting) and a complete KDE installation. If not,
ask again, with details of what went wrong.
PJR :-)
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| In article <slrndkckeg.nap.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
<pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:12:08 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
>alt.os.linux.debian:
>
><...>
>
>
>Congratulations! You've installed a basic Debian system. However, you
>seem not to have installed X or KDE. The installer you used may not
>have prompted you to install extra packages, or you may have missed
>the prompt.
>
>As root, type "apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm" and follow any
>prompts. (This may take some time, since it installs and configures
>all the GUI stuff.)
No good - said "package not available" - but I'm too confused to
continue now.
The version I tried your idea on was Debian Pure where the instructions
said not to configure apt-get.
--
Chris
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| In article <slrndkckeg.nap.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
<pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>Congratulations! You've installed a basic Debian system. However, you
>seem not to have installed X or KDE. The installer you used may not
>have prompted you to install extra packages, or you may have missed the
>prompt.
>
>As root, type "apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm" and follow any
>prompts. (This may take some time, since it installs and configures all
>the GUI stuff.)
>
>Still as root, type "/etc/init.d/kdm start".
>
>If all goes well, this should give you a graphical login screen (both
>at once and after rebooting) and a complete KDE installation. If not,
>ask again, with details of what went wrong.
I must be a glutton for punishment!
After eleven hours of struggling I'm having yet another go - with a
mixture of the Debian Pure CD - and your help - and some wild guesses.
The Debian Pure installation instructions are basically useless.
They might work for someone who did not need them.
Writing instructions for humans is *much* more difficult than
programming - because when you program you get immediate feedback that
your instructions didn't work - and you don't get that with instructions
to humans - and so good instructions are so rare as to be almost
non-existent.
Oh God - I'm moaning again! Must cheer up!
Don't know what's happening at the moment.
I tried Debian Pure again - but ignored the instruction not to configure
apt - and then, at the login, used your "apt-get install x-window-system
kde kdm" - and then I answered a few questions at random - including
something about updating - and it seems to be downloading the whole
Internet- or, at least, most of it.
--
Chris
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| On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:23:10 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in
alt.os.linux.debian:
> In article <slrndkckeg.nap.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
> <pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>
> No good - said "package not available" -
Which package was unavailable? Perhaps the CD doesn't include the
complete x-window-system. If so, try again with "x-window-system-core"
instead. You can also ignore "kdm", which might be included in the
complete KDE metapackage.
Also, it's just possible that you might need to run "apt-get update"
first.
> but I'm too confused to
> continue now.
Take a break and come back to it. :-)
> The version I tried your idea on was Debian Pure where the instructions
> said not to configure apt-get.
I assume it's automatically configured to get packages from the CD. Do
you have a file called "/etc/apt/sources.list"? If so, what's in it?
Are you using the full installation CD or the Net Install CD?
PJR :-)
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| Madhusudan Singh 2005-10-07, 5:51 pm |
| > I tried Debian Pure again - but ignored the instruction not to configure
What is Debian Pure ?
Debian is called just that - debian - the only qualifiers being stable /
testing / unstable.
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| SINNER 2005-10-07, 5:51 pm |
| * Alan Connor Wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> On alt.os.linux.debian, in
> <Xns96E76C24925C5Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>, "SINNER"
> wrote: <body not downloaded>
>
> Perfect. He deserves you.
>
> (and your sockpuppets, of course)
>
> Ever notice that a troll's sockpuppets are just as ignorant
> and immature as their creator?
Nah, Iv'e seen yours, and they are even more ignorant and immature.
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David
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| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:15:08 +0100, PJR wrote:
>
> Which package was unavailable? Perhaps the CD doesn't include the
> complete x-window-system. If so, try again with "x-window-system-core"
> instead. You can also ignore "kdm", which might be included in the
> complete KDE metapackage.
>
> Also, it's just possible that you might need to run "apt-get update"
> first.
Normally Chris, on first bootup the base-config program starts onfiguring
Apt and asks if you want to add other sources.
DO IT, and add a http/ftp mirror. Then you'll have the full Debian
repository at your disposal. And, your dvd-rom you just baked also has to
be added this way. Or afterwards, with apt-cdrom.
Please note you don't have to reinstall allready. Just log in as root and
execute "base-config" at the command line. It'll go over the initial setup
of the system again.
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Frank Van Damme
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| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:14:55 +0200, yalu <frank-junk@mail.com> wrote
in alt.os.linux.debian:
> Please note you don't have to reinstall allready. Just log in as root and
> execute "base-config" at the command line. It'll go over the initial setup
> of the system again.
There is also "tasksel", which among other things simplifies adding
KDE and Gnome. IIRC, it's called by base-config but can be run
separately. However, I don't know if either base-config or tasksel
exists in DebianPure (http://www.debianpure.com), which the OP has
decided to use.
PJR :-)
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| Bill Marcum 2005-10-07, 5:52 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:07:30 -0400, Madhusudan Singh
<spammers-go-here@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> What is Debian Pure ?
>
> Debian is called just that - debian - the only qualifiers being stable /
> testing / unstable.
>
http://debianpure.com
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| none@nowhere.com 2006-06-21, 7:15 am |
| On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:13:21 +0100, Chris <nospam@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>In article <slrndkckeg.nap.pjr@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR
><pjr@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> writes
>
>I must be a glutton for punishment!
>After eleven hours of struggling I'm having yet another go - with a
>mixture of the Debian Pure CD - and your help - and some wild guesses.
>
>The Debian Pure installation instructions are basically useless.
>They might work for someone who did not need them.
>
>Writing instructions for humans is *much* more difficult than
>programming - because when you program you get immediate feedback that
>your instructions didn't work - and you don't get that with instructions
>to humans - and so good instructions are so rare as to be almost
>non-existent.
>
>Oh God - I'm moaning again! Must cheer up!
>
>Don't know what's happening at the moment.
>I tried Debian Pure again - but ignored the instruction not to configure
>apt - and then, at the login, used your "apt-get install x-window-system
>kde kdm" - and then I answered a few questions at random - including
>something about updating - and it seems to be downloading the whole
>Internet- or, at least, most of it.
I am also new to linux. I download sarge from debian.org. Not knowing
what is was doing, I downloaded unstable. Had all kinds of problems
and never did get the thing installed. Finally went back and
downloaded the official stable release 3.1r2. It loaded the first time
and seems to be working well.
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