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A question about Ubuntu.
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| I'm sorry if this is in the wrong post but I believe Ubuntu uses
Debian.
I'm considering switching from SUSE to Ubuntu Server. I don't seem to
be able to find a definitive list of what is available in server and
what I'd have to add. I'm interested in; mdadm, apache and samba.
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| John Hasler 2007-11-10, 1:12 pm |
| > I'm sorry if this is in the wrong post but I believe Ubuntu uses Debian.
Ubuntu is based on Debian.
> I'm considering switching from SUSE to Ubuntu Server. I don't seem to be
> able to find a definitive list of what is available in server and what
> I'd have to add.
Debian includes more than 20,000 packages. As far as I know they are all
available in Ubuntu, though you might have to add to the sources.list.
> I'm interested in; mdadm, apache and samba.
Those are all available in Debian and Ubuntu (as is just about any other
Free Software you could conceivably need).
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John Hasler
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| On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:45:19 -0800, Leigh wrote:
> I'm sorry if this is in the wrong post but I believe Ubuntu uses
> Debian.
Yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian, but why not try alt.os.linux.ubuntu?
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> I'm considering switching from SUSE to Ubuntu Server. I don't seem to
> be able to find a definitive list of what is available in server and
> what I'd have to add. I'm interested in; mdadm, apache and samba.
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| On 10 Nov, 17:41, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:45:19 -0800, Leigh wrote:
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> Yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian, but why not try alt.os.linux.ubuntu?
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I looked but it didn't show up on the list of available
alt.os.linux.xxx
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| Mark South 2007-11-11, 1:13 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:11:22 -0800, Leigh wrote:
> On 10 Nov, 17:41, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
Some people consider that to be all too true....
[vbcol=seagreen]
Since you're in here, have you considered Debian? Etch has an install
routine that makes it a doddle to set up servers of the kinds you list.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I looked but it didn't show up on the list of available
> alt.os.linux.xxx
You may need to refresh your newsgroups list.
If your ISP doesn't carry it, you should know that most of the free news
servers do.
I'll warn you, though, it's hell in there.
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| On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:11:22 -0800, Leigh wrote:
> On 10 Nov, 17:41, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
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> I looked but it didn't show up on the list of available
> alt.os.linux.xxx
OK - to answer your original question - everything you listed should
certainly be in the repositories if not indluded by default in the
install. If necessary, it is quite trivial to add them after the fact.
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| Moe Trin 2007-11-11, 7:12 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.debian, in article
<1194790282.400750.94550@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Leigh wrote:
NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically
reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server.
>ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
Did you think to look at the ubuntu web site? Full Linux distributions
such as Debian, SUSE, or Ubuntu include virtually the same packages,
so "it's in there".
[vbcol=seagreen]
>I looked but it didn't show up on the list of available
>alt.os.linux.xxx
You're posting from groups.google.com, and thankfully they haven't
included alt.os.linux.ubuntu in their lists - it's bad enough as it is.
Note that, because of substantial abuse from groups.google.com, many
people simply block all posts from that source. There are other, free
alternatives not as bad. Have you also checked your ISP's news server?
The 'alt.*' news hierarchy is carried at the whim of the local news
administrator. Thus, not all servers carry every group.
[compton ~]$ grep -c ^alt.os.linux .newsrc
46
[compton ~]$ grep ubuntu .newsrc
alt.os.linux.ubuntu
[compton ~]$
There are also web forums available if you like that format.
Old guy
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| Hadron 2007-11-11, 7:12 pm |
| ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.debian, in article
> <1194790282.400750.94550@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Leigh wrote:
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> NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically
> reduces the chance of your post being seen. Find a real news server.
Only by paranoid types. Plenty of good help resources are not so stupid
as to filter googlegroups. Many people do not get nntp access from work
for one reason or other.
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> Did you think to look at the ubuntu web site? Full Linux distributions
> such as Debian, SUSE, or Ubuntu include virtually the same packages,
> so "it's in there".
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>
> You're posting from groups.google.com, and thankfully they haven't
> included alt.os.linux.ubuntu in their lists - it's bad enough as it is.
> Note that, because of substantial abuse from groups.google.com, many
> people simply block all posts from that source. There are other, free
> alternatives not as bad. Have you also checked your ISP's news server?
Well, lets list some:
aioe.org : also blocked by many paranoids and tin foil hat wearers
http://www.motzarella.org/
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> The 'alt.*' news hierarchy is carried at the whim of the local news
> administrator. Thus, not all servers carry every group.
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> [compton ~]$ grep -c ^alt.os.linux .newsrc
> 46
> [compton ~]$ grep ubuntu .newsrc
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu
> [compton ~]$
Why do you think this guy cares whats in YOUR .newsrc?!?!?!
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> There are also web forums available if you like that format.
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> Old guy
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Me llamo Guybrush Threepwood y ha llegado tu hora!.( Monkey I)
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| SINNER 2007-11-11, 7:12 pm |
| * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Only by paranoid types.
Nothing to do with paranoia, its a signal to noise ratio thing, stop
being so naive.
> Plenty of good help resources are not so stupid
> as to filter googlegroups.
Your opinion doesn't matter, how about answering the OP instead of
wasting your time telling us all about it?
> Many people do not get nntp access from work
> for one reason or other.
Many people shouldn't be reading/posting to Usenet from work for one
reason or another.
And stop being so rude, learn to snip.
[...]
--
David
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/
"He flung himself on his horse and rode madly off in all directions."
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| Hadron 2007-11-11, 7:12 pm |
| SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> writes:
> * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
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> Nothing to do with paranoia, its a signal to noise ratio thing, stop
> being so naive.
I am far from naive. You are one of the paranoids. You have gone to the
dark side. As one of the "wintard" labellers your view holds no interest
for me. Adjust your beany .....
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> Your opinion doesn't matter, how about answering the OP instead of
> wasting your time telling us all about it?
Like you are doing here?
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> Many people shouldn't be reading/posting to Usenet from work for one
> reason or another.
Who says? Who the hell do you think you are? They have lunch breaks.
They might need usenet access to help through a technical issue. WTF do
you mean they should not be accessing usenet!?!??!?!?! Often it is
simply and arsehole of a sysadmin. Often googlegroups is just the
quickest way since they dont remember their dedicated news servcie logon
parameters. Plenty of reasons.
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> And stop being so rude, learn to snip.
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Pot. Etc.
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Please remain calm, it's no use both of us being hysterical at the same time.
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| Kai-Martin Knaak 2007-11-12, 1:14 am |
| On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:54:00 +0100, Hadron wrote:
> Well, lets list some:
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> aioe.org : also blocked by many paranoids and tin foil hat wearers
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> http://www.motzarella.org/
better choices:
news.albasani.net
news.cnntp.org
news.open-news-network.org
---<(kaimartin)>---
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Kai-Martin Knaak
http://lilalaser.de/blog
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| SINNER 2007-11-12, 1:14 am |
| * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> writes:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I am far from naive. You are one of the paranoids. You have gone to
> the dark side.
You need a new line.
> As one of the "wintard" labellers
Cite...
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Like you are doing here?
Someone needs to point out your hypocrisy. Next you'll be telling us we
shouldn't kill posts cross posted to your home away from home *advocacy
group too I suppose.
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Who says? Who the hell do you think you are? They have lunch breaks.
So, that means they get to use company PC's to do personal business?
Something tells me the boss has different ideas on that.
> They might need usenet access to help through a technical issue. WTF
> do you mean they should not be accessing usenet!?!??!?!?!
So they are accessing Usenet for technical issues about Linux,
presumably work related based on your current rant, but have to use
Google/Windows to do it? I highly doubt it, stop trying to justify your
idiocy, it makes you like like, well...
> Often it is simply and arsehole of a sysadmin.
So now blocking unnecessary ports makes an admin an XXXXXXX? Talk about
high and mighty.
> Often googlegroups is just the quickest way since they dont remember
> their dedicated news servcie logon parameters. Plenty of reasons.
Don't remember, that's laughable, but they remember it when they get
home I suppose. Selective memory? BS excuses the lot of them. Most
commonly it is someone looking for an answer to a personal issue on work
time if they cant get to Usenet from work. If you can justify its use
for job purposes its unlikely to get refused.
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Pot. Etc.
I snipped, comment is non sequitur, as usual.
--
David
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/
The wages of sin are high but you get your money's worth.
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| Harold Stevens 2007-11-12, 7:14 am |
| In <456l05xdo3.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com> SINNER:
[Snip...]
> shouldn't kill posts cross posted to your home away from home *advocacy
It seems nobody explained to this hotshot kernel hacker L33tT0pS3kr3t CERN
contractor Hardon Quack what a phrickin' Followup-To line is for.
OTOH, anybody truly interested in noobs and Linux would be taking their BS
from aolu/aold, back to the cola sewer where it belongs, via Followup-To.
> idiocy, it makes you like like, well...
....an idiot. OK, maybe hypocrite is less harsh, and more accurate as well.
JMO; YMMV; HTH...
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Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *
Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots.
Really, it's (wyrd) at airmail, dotted with net. DO NOT SPAM IT.
Kids jumping ship? Looking to hire an old-school type? Email me.
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| Hadron 2007-11-12, 7:14 am |
| SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> writes:
> * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
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> You need a new line.
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> Cite...
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Not necessary.
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> Someone needs to point out your hypocrisy. Next you'll be telling us we
> shouldn't kill posts cross posted to your home away from home *advocacy
> group too I suppose.
If you READ the post instead of jumping into the empty pool head first
you would have seen that I *did* recommened two FREE news servers.
Doh!
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> So, that means they get to use company PC's to do personal business?
> Something tells me the boss has different ideas on that.
>
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> So they are accessing Usenet for technical issues about Linux,
> presumably work related based on your current rant, but have to use
> Google/Windows to do it? I highly doubt it, stop trying to justify your
> idiocy, it makes you like like, well...
Lets clear this up since you're obviously a class A idiot. You are
supporting filtering all users of googlegroups? I do not agree. I am
categorically stating that many decent people looking for help use
googlegroups often as a first step in accsessing usenet since they never
even heard of usenet before.
I do not presume to second guess WHY they use it : they just do. Yet YOU
seem to be of the opinion that they are now cheating their company out
of time. Yeah right. We all bow to your crystal ball.
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>
>
> So now blocking unnecessary ports makes an admin an XXXXXXX? Talk about
> high and mighty.
Nice try to spin it. Often it IS an arsehole of an admin. You never
heard of sys admin from hell?
But that isnt the point. We are not to guess the reason - why not just
take each post on its merits?!?!?!????? Or is the mighty "Sinner for
hell" all knowing and that anyone who uses googlegroups really is a
troll and a nymshifter? As I said. Paranoid.
>
>
> Don't remember, that's laughable, but they remember it when they get
> home I suppose. Selective memory?
Are you that clueless?
At HOME they are hardwired into their leafnode config or their .authinfo
file.
*shakes head in bewilderment at some peoples needs to find trolls under
every rock*
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| Hadron 2007-11-12, 7:14 am |
| Harold Stevens <wookie@aces.localdomain> writes:
> In <456l05xdo3.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com> SINNER:
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> [Snip...]
>
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> It seems nobody explained to this hotshot kernel hacker L33tT0pS3kr3t CERN
> contractor Hardon Quack what a phrickin' Followup-To line is for.
Poor Harold. Still trying I see.
>
> OTOH, anybody truly interested in noobs and Linux would be taking their BS
> from aolu/aold, back to the cola sewer where it belongs, via
> Followup-To.
Yup. More nonsensical rantings from Harold.
>
>
> ...an idiot. OK, maybe hypocrite is less harsh, and more accurate as well.
>
> JMO; YMMV; HTH...
(pats Harold on head) Not yet Harold, you still have much to learn. Now
run along and play with your new wind up laptop ....
--
And that's the way it is...
-- Walter Cronkite
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| William Poaster 2007-11-13, 7:14 am |
| Harold Stevens wrote:
> In <456l05xdo3.ln2@news.gates-of-hell.com> SINNER:
>
> [Snip...]
>
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> It seems nobody explained to this hotshot kernel hacker L33tT0pS3kr3t CERN
> contractor Hardon Quack what a phrickin' Followup-To line is for.
>
> OTOH, anybody truly interested in noobs and Linux would be taking their BS
> from aolu/aold, back to the cola sewer where it belongs, via Followup-To.
>
>
> ...an idiot. OK, maybe hypocrite is less harsh, and more accurate as well.
>
> JMO; YMMV; HTH...
Quack's a self proclaimed troll, & nymshiffter.
aka: Hadron, Damian O'Leary, Hans Schneider
Admits to trolling: http://tinyurl.com/2sv65p
Traits:
* Microsoft apologist
* Habitual liar
* Sets Organization header pretending to work at CERN, IBM, etc
* Doesn't understand the value of telnet client as a simple network debugging
tool. Thinks using telnet always means sending a username and password in clear
text. Truly ignorant of TCP/IP.
* Troll puppet
* Gets upset when anyone includes their qualification in their .sig. This along
with his pretence of working at CERN and IBM implies, IMHO, an inferiority
complex. Probably a drop out who bears a grudge towards those who have achieved
what Hadron couldn't.
* Exhibits serious reading comprehension difficulties
* Quark is too stupid to understand when the point above is explained to him
over and over again
* In case you missed it, he is just stupid. No cure. So sad
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007...uark-troll.html
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Operating systems: FreeBSD 6.2 (64bit), PC-BSD 1.4,
Testing: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA 2
Linux systems: Kubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy" amd64,
Debian 4.0, PCLinuxOS 2007.
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| SINNER 2007-11-15, 7:44 pm |
| * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> SINNER <99nesorjd@gates_of_hell.invalid> writes:
[...]
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> Not necessary.
>
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Sure it is, if you cant prove your point then you are making empty
accusations, no surprise.
[...]
>
> Lets clear this up since you're obviously a class A idiot.
At this point, Pot Kettle, etc would seem appropriate, but I will leave
you to the name calling.
> You are
> supporting filtering all users of googlegroups?
Yes.
> I do not agree.
You dont have to, but calling people that do paranoid is rediculous, no
one asked you to add the filter, NoStop's post preface was right on with
the warning but you felt you needed to name call and make your opinion
known that those that use that filter are over parnoid idiots. Spend
much time looking in the mirror?
> I am
> categorically stating that many decent people looking for help use
> googlegroups often as a first step in accsessing usenet since they
> never even heard of usenet before.
Some times the good suffer for the sins of the bad, welcome to life,
HAND.
>
> I do not presume to second guess WHY they use it : they just do. Yet
> YOU seem to be of the opinion that they are now cheating their company
> out of time. Yeah right. We all bow to your crystal ball.
No, I am of the opinion that google groups is the new bane of usenet, I
used thos arguments to refute your rediculous comments, not to mention,
I am quite correct.
>
> Nice try to spin it.
Spin it? You spend much to much tim over there----------->
> Often it IS an arsehole of an admin. You never
> heard of sys admin from hell?
Yes, but they are not in the majority. We havve XXXXXXX admins but if I
need something for work and can justify it, it gets done, even assholes
have bosses.
>
> But that isnt the point. We are not to guess the reason - why not just
> take each post on its merits?!?!?!????? Or is the mighty "Sinner for
> hell" all knowing and that anyone who uses googlegroups really is a
> troll and a nymshifter? As I said. Paranoid.
So now it is you making assumptions. Has nothing to do with trolling or
nymshifting, had you even looked at the usenet improvment project
website youd know this but instead you XXX U me the reasons people use
the filter and as usual, your assumption is incorrect.
>
>
> Are you that clueless?
Based on the below, you are.
>
> At HOME they are hardwired into their leafnode config or their
> .authinfo file.
Now THAT is laughable. most usenetters don't even use leafnode you
nimrod and even though I do, I dont use an .authinfo file and I would
imagine most others dont either. You profess that people use UIDs and
passwords all day long to log into to various applications and systems
but dont know there NNTP password and you are calling me stupid,
jeez....
>
> *shakes head in bewilderment at some peoples needs to find trolls
> under
> every rock*
Indeed.
--
David
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| Hadron 2007-11-15, 7:44 pm |
| SINNER <arcade.master@gmail.com> writes:
> * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
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> [...]
>
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> Sure it is, if you cant prove your point then you are making empty
> accusations, no surprise.
We have done this before. Ubuntu group isn't archived. As you well know.
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> [...]
>
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> At this point, Pot Kettle, etc would seem appropriate, but I will leave
> you to the name calling.
"your idiocy" : sorry? Do try to keep a track of your own faults. I am
the one advocating helping people. You the one mentioning my idiocy for
that. You are clearly a legend in your own lunchtime if you feel you
cant not help users of google groups.
>
>
> Yes.
Then you are a paranoid idiot in my view. Simple.
>
>
> You dont have to, but calling people that do paranoid is rediculous, no
> one asked you to add the filter, NoStop's post preface was right on with
> the warning but you felt you needed to name call and make your opinion
> known that those that use that filter are over parnoid idiots. Spend
> much time looking in the mirror?
People who filter based on source host are paranoid idiots.
Have nice day now.
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| SINNER 2007-11-15, 7:44 pm |
| * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.debian:
> "your idiocy" : sorry? Do try to keep a track of your own faults.
Only if you promise to do the same, or dont you have any?
> I am
> the one advocating helping people.
I dont advoacate NOT helping people, your point?
> You the one mentioning my idiocy for
> that.
Can you read? I do nothing of the sort, I merely commented on your
comment to NoStop's preface.
> You are clearly a legend in your own lunchtime if you feel you
> cant not help users of google groups.
There's that Pot calling the kettle again.
You are over simplifying as usual. I simply choose to filter google
groups based on signal to noise, the fact that I may miss a post that I
might be able to assist with is no reason to not filter, the same way I
filter out your home group, most of the crap that comes out of there
including your atititude is not worthy of being read.
--
David
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