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| ChrisC 2007-12-07, 1:14 am |
| Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
just an observation.
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| Bit Twister 2007-12-07, 1:14 am |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
Change distributions. I run Mandriva Linux and yet to have a crash.
I recommend you boot a rescue cd and run memtest overnight.
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| On 2007-12-07, ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
I'd score this a 1.25 (out of 10) on the Troll-O-Meter.
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| Dirk T. Verbeek 2007-12-07, 7:14 am |
| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
>
Hmm, am I feeding a troll?
Anyway, I only use KDE as in Kubuntu and yet I can compare it with Gnome.
That's because KDE does not crash, I've seen the odd application with a
problem but not KDE itself that's causing trouble.
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| Mark South 2007-12-07, 7:14 am |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:27:05 +0000, Dan C wrote:
> On 2007-12-07, ChrisC wrote:
>
> I'd score this a 1.25 (out of 10) on the Troll-O-Meter.
Trolls get weaker towards the weekend as their beer levels drop.
So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
Mark
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| Wim Cossement 2007-12-07, 7:14 am |
| Mark South wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:27:05 +0000, Dan C wrote:
>
>
> Trolls get weaker towards the weekend as their beer levels drop.
What kind of beer?
Here Jupiler is my favourite but you should all know Stella Artois,
sicne we keep the best and export the inferior ones...
> So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
No man, but I must say Gentoo is a really good distribution and the
others are used by a bunch of tree huggin' hippie crap! :-p
> Mark
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| Johan Lindquist 2007-12-07, 7:14 am |
| ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.debian.]
So anyway, it was like, 11:43 CET Dec 07 2007, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
Mark South was all like, "Dude,
> So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
Yes.
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| Martin Gregorie 2007-12-07, 7:14 am |
| Wim Cossement wrote:
>
> What kind of beer?
> Here Jupiler is my favourite but you should all know Stella Artois,
> sicne we keep the best and export the inferior ones...
>
I thought you guys turned up your noses at anything except Trappist or
Abbaiale beers.
I was happy to drink Jupilier (especially in the Falstaff) when I was
working in Brussels but a Belgian friend classed anything that wasn't
Trappist or Abbaile as "industrial beer" and wouldn't touch it. I also
liked Chimay Bleu a lot.
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| Wim Cossement 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| Martin Gregorie wrote:
> Wim Cossement wrote:
> I thought you guys turned up your noses at anything except Trappist or
> Abbaiale beers.
Not really, we like all of them... :-)
> I was happy to drink Jupilier (especially in the Falstaff) when I was
> working in Brussels but a Belgian friend classed anything that wasn't
> Trappist or Abbaile as "industrial beer" and wouldn't touch it. I also
> liked Chimay Bleu a lot.
Well thats a bit snobby if you ask me!
It's also the first time I'm confronted with such a point of view and I
must say that your friend is talking crap.
We don't look down upon industrially produced beers, only the quality of
the liquid matters (and taste is debatable...)
Some trappists and abbey beers are also produced on an industrial scale
you know.
And last but not least: if you go out and only drink Duvel, Chimaym or
Chimay Blue for instance you'll get quite XXXXed up in the end but with
normal beers it's easier to move larger quantities! :-p
Wimmy
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| George Peatty 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC <chrispche@nospam.googlemail.com>
wrote:
>Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
>crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
>just an observation.
That has been my experience. KDE is .. flaky. For any job that requires a
computer to work 24 / 7, the clear choice is GNOME. KDE is pretty, and more
customizable .. and, I genuinely like KDE better, but GNOME is where I do my
work ..
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| George Peatty 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like asking,
what is the value of pi?
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| John F. Morse 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| Mark South wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:27:05 +0000, Dan C wrote:
>
>
>
> Trolls get weaker towards the weekend as their beer levels drop.
>
> So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
>
> Mark
>
vi is certainly easier to spell and type. ;-)
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| George Peatty wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like asking,
> what is the value of pi?
That easy. It's three something 
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| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
I had not noticed that - I've never had any issues like that with either
one.
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| Darren Salt 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| I demand that John F. Morse may or may not have written...
> Mark South wrote:
[snip]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> vi is certainly easier to spell and type. ;-)
So's ed. ;-)
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| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:12:28 -0500, George Peatty wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like asking,
> what is the value of pi?
3.141592653589+
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| Meat Plow 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
Haven't noticed. I haven't had a crash in KDE 3.5.6 that I can remember.
I use gnome and qt apps also in kde.
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| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:06:06 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
>
> Change distributions. I run Mandriva Linux and yet to have a crash.
>
> I recommend you boot a rescue cd and run memtest overnight.
Good point - I would suspect hardware problems if either one has
significant problems. The only desktop I've ever had problems with was E17
about two years ago - and it's still under development.
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| Mark South 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:12:28 -0500, George Peatty wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like asking,
> what is the value of pi?
355/113 :-)
If you need a better approximation, you're building very big things, or
taking the universe apart.
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| J.O. Aho 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
First, I make an assumption that you mean Gnome2 when you write Gnome, IMHO
you shouldn't mix those products, a good environment with Miguel de Icaza in
charge and a product I would cal bloat ware, cpu hog by Havoc.
No, I haven't noticed that at all, and I use KDE 9-12 hours per working day at
work and at least the same amount at weekends at home out over the couple of
hours I use it when I get home from work.
I have noticed the slowness, instability and the feeling of bing a prisoner
like when using microsoft explorer environment.
I should say that I loved Miguel's Gnome, but that Havoc ruined the name...
--
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| Hadron 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| ml2mst <ml2mst@gmail.com> writes:
> ChrisC wrote:
>
>
> Or flamebait?
>
> I use both DE's on a regular base and neither of them frequently
> crash.
Hey marti, remember the last time you started throwing around unfounded
insults to posters here? Yes. You had to apologise. Unless you KNOW
someone is trolling then have the good decency to STFU. No one cares who
think is a troll or not. Save it for COLA.
To the OP - yes, I did indeed find KDE less stable than Gnome - but the
last time I tried it was over a year ago. I also found it generally
kludgier and over stuffed with useless features that personally I don't
need or want. Gnome does exactly want I want it to do - provide a clean
stable desktop from which I can select the applications I need to do
real work. A lot of people rave about Konqueror but frankly I hated it -
it is trying to be too many things to too many people.
And don't forget you can always use Gnome but still run your favourite
KDE apps too.
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| spike1@freenet.co.uk 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> did eloquently scribble:
> On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like asking,
> what is the value of pi?
Oh, that's EASY.
It's exactly...
the ratio of a circle's diameter to its circumference...
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| Dan C illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> On 2007-12-07, ChrisC wrote:
>
> I'd score this a 1.25 (out of 10) on the Troll-O-Meter.
Perhaps, but then again, I do find it difficult to run KDE3 without
hitting constant sigsegv's
--
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"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
leather straps."
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| Sanukk 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:11:40 +0100, Wim Cossement wrote:
> What kind of beer?
It's got to be Singha:
www.singhabeer.co.uk
Wonderful Thai beer, love the stuff :^>
-S
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| Martin Gregorie 2007-12-07, 1:13 pm |
| Wim Cossement wrote:
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
> Well thats a bit snobby if you ask me!
> It's also the first time I'm confronted with such a point of view and I
> must say that your friend is talking crap.
>
Thanks for the correction. BTW, I didn't say I agreed with him! I have
many happy memories of sitting with friends, drinking Jupiler,
especially outside the beer tent at a model flying meeting on the air
force firing range up the road from Hasselt (at Heltcheren? - its been a
while).
> And last but not least: if you go out and only drink Duvel, Chimaym or
> Chimay Blue for instance you'll get quite XXXXed up in the end but with
> normal beers it's easier to move larger quantities! :-p
>
I had noticed that effect!
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| Alan_C 2007-12-07, 7:12 pm |
| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
"Just an observation" (based on personal experience) is what is next:
Slackware 12.0 with KDE is rock solid, never crashes. I use it a lot.
I also recently have begun to and been using Debian Etch who's default
desktop is Gnome. In Etch, the few times that I used KDE it worked fine,
did not have a problem. The Gnome has not had any crash related issue or
problem.
I've not run KDE all that much in Etch (so as to compare it to the stability
that I've found in Slackware 12.0's KDE).
I've a couple 18 gig scsi hard drives. Slack 12.0 is on one. Debian Etch
is on the other. So far, Slack 12.0 gets booted more often than Etch does.
I had been a Slack only user for a few years or longer. Then I got around
to it to try/learn/use Debian just so as to get a better all around
perspective for myself of some Linux distros. I also keep/maintain CentOS
Linux on a friend's box but I don't use CentOS myself other than what it
takes for me to support my friend's machine.
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| Darrell Stec 2007-12-07, 7:12 pm |
| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
>
Personal experience is not exactly a reliable measure. For instance when an
application crashes for me, more often than not is it a Gnome application.
It probably depends more upon whether you are using stable apps or cutting
edge and also which versions of the dependancy files are installed too.
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| Darrell Stec 2007-12-07, 7:12 pm |
| Mark South wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:27:05 +0000, Dan C wrote:
>
>
> Trolls get weaker towards the weekend as their beer levels drop.
>
> So, did we ever definitively decide which is better, emacs or vi?
>
> Mark
No. The discussion got sidelined by the Nano advocates.
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| CBFalconer 2007-12-08, 1:17 am |
| George Peatty wrote:
> Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's
> like asking, what is the value of pi?
Well, you can always ask two questions, typified by:
Is pi > 3.1415 ANS yes
Is pi < 3.1415 ANS no
Is pi > 3.1416 ANS no
Is pi < 3.1416 ANS yes
and develop pi to any desired accuracy from the answer set. :-)
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| CBFalconer 2007-12-08, 1:17 am |
| ray wrote:
> George Peatty wrote:
>
> 3.141592653589+
3.14159265358979+
If you add a 3 I don't know if you need a + or - following.
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| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:12:28 -0500, George Peatty wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007 11:43:18 +0100, Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
> Such mystical, transcendental questions have no solution. It's like
> asking, what is the value of pi?
Mmmmmm. Pi....
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| Christopher Hunter 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| Mark South wrote:
> 355/113 :-)
>
> If you need a better approximation, you're building very big things, or
> taking the universe apart.
Or the fourth root of 2143/22 - try it!
C.
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| Paul Martin 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| In article <5rtgrjF16d9lsU1@mid.individual.net>,
Moog wrote:
> Dan C illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Perhaps, but then again, I do find it difficult to run KDE3 without
> hitting constant sigsegv's
I would strongly suggest running memtest overnight. Failing that, run a
full kernel compile. If that fails with a SEGV, you've got a problem
with your PC.
--
Paul Martin <pm@zetnet.net>
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| Paul Martin 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| In article <4Ot6j.13675$kt3.1545@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Christopher Hunter wrote:
> Mark South wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Or the fourth root of 2143/22 - try it!
$ bc -l
bc 1.06.94
Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006 Free Software
Foundation, Inc.
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details type `warranty'.
scale=60
355/113
3. 1415929203539823008849557522123893805309
73451327433628318584
sqrt(sqrt(2143/22))
3. 1415926525826461252060371796440223715578
77983160126149695135
scale=1000
a(1)*4
3. 1415926535897932384626433832795028841971
69399375105820974944592307\
8164062862089986280348253421170679821480
8651328230664709384460955058\
2231725359408128481117450284102701938521
1055596446229489549303819644\
2881097566593344612847564823378678316527
1201909145648566923460348610\
4543266482133936072602491412737245870066
0631558817488152092096282925\
4091715364367892590360011330530548820466
5213841469519415116094330572\
7036575959195309218611738193261179310511
8548074462379962749567351885\
7527248912279381830119491298336733624406
5664308602139494639522473719\
0702179860943702770539217176293176752384
6748184676694051320005681271\
4526356082778577134275778960917363717872
1468440901224953430146549585\
3710507922796892589235420199561121290219
6086403441815981362977477130\
9960518707211349999998372978049951059731
7328160963185950244594553469\
0830264252230825334468503526193118817101
0003137838752886587533208381\
4206171776691473035982534904287554687311
5956286388235378759375195778\
1857780532171226806613001927876611195909
2164201988
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| Paul Martin 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| In article <fjbqph$klh$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk>,
Chris wrote:
> George Peatty wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> That easy. It's three something
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html
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| Chris Gordon-Smith 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:
> George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> did eloquently scribble:
>
>
>
> Oh, that's EASY.
> It's exactly...
> the ratio of a circle's diameter to its circumference...
>
Hmmm. I think it would only be exact in a Euclidean space. The space in
which we live is of course not exactly Euclidean!
Chris Gordon-Smith
www.simsoup.info
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| Darrell Stec 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| Paul Martin wrote:
> In article <5rtgrjF16d9lsU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Moog wrote:
>
>
> I would strongly suggest running memtest overnight. Failing that, run a
> full kernel compile. If that fails with a SEGV, you've got a problem
> with your PC.
>
Or video drivers or mismatch of dependencies.
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| Ben Bacarisse 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> writes:
> George Peatty wrote:
>
> Well, you can always ask two questions, typified by:
>
> Is pi > 3.1415 ANS yes
> Is pi < 3.1415 ANS no
> Is pi > 3.1416 ANS no
> Is pi < 3.1416 ANS yes
>
> and develop pi to any desired accuracy from the answer set. :-)
.... so a better analogy would be that is like asking what is the value
of Chaitin's Omega[1]. emacs > vi will be decided (one way or the
other) when Omega > 1/2 is decided!
[1] http://plus.maths.org/issue37/features/omega/
--
Ben.
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| Trevor Best 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| On 7 Dec 2007 17:45:06 +0100
Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:12:28 -0500, George Peatty wrote:
>
>
> 355/113 :-)
>
> If you need a better approximation, you're building very big things, or
> taking the universe apart.
Anyone done 22/7 yet?
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| Trevor Best 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000
ChrisC <chrispche@nospam.googlemail.com> wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
I've had no problems in KDE, but then again, it's not installed on here ;-)
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|
| On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:46:13 +0000, Trevor Best <newsreply@besty.org.uk> wrote:
>On 7 Dec 2007 17:45:06 +0100
>Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>Anyone done 22/7 yet?
3.142857142857.... is a pretty crap approximation compared to the others
posted in this thread.
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| steveski 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| Trevor Best wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007 17:45:06 +0100
> Mark South <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone done 22/7 yet?
Working on it . . .
Only a bit more to go :-)
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| Broderick Crawford ililililil 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
>
I don't like Gnome, can't find nothing, never use it. KDE never crashes
on me. Like it a lot.
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| steveski 2007-12-08, 7:15 pm |
| Broderick Crawford ililililil wrote:
> ChrisC wrote:
> I don't like Gnome, can't find nothing, never use it. KDE never crashes
> on me. Like it a lot.
Concise.
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| David Powell 2007-12-09, 1:14 pm |
| In article <4759FBBD.917F72EB@yahoo.com>,
CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> in uk.comp.os.linux wrote:
>George Peatty wrote:
>
>Well, you can always ask two questions, typified by:
>
> Is pi > 3.1415 ANS yes
> Is pi < 3.1415 ANS no
> Is pi > 3.1416 ANS no
> Is pi < 3.1416 ANS yes
>
>and develop pi to any desired accuracy from the answer set. :-)
>
Only if you like doing things the hard way. My favourite editor
(TECO) has a macro to calculate pi to any arbitrary precision.
Regards,
David P.
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| Big and Blue 2007-12-09, 7:11 pm |
| CBFalconer wrote:
> Well, you can always ask two questions, typified by:
>
> Is pi > 3.1415 ANS yes
> Is pi < 3.1415 ANS no
> Is pi > 3.1416 ANS no
> Is pi < 3.1416 ANS yes
>
> and develop pi to any desired accuracy from the answer set. :-)
This only works if you already know the value of pi to a greater
precision than the question, so is a pointless exercise.
AH! I see! Just as pointless as the emacs/vi debate!
--
Just because I've written it doesn't mean that
either you or I have to believe it.
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"Big and Blue" <No_4@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> CBFalconer wrote:
>
>
> This only works if you already know the value of pi to a greater
> precision than the question, so is a pointless exercise.
>
> AH! I see! Just as pointless as the emacs/vi debate!
Well... since this topic is here, I'll ask a question that I've wondered
about...
Obviously, calculating pi to it's final digit is a difficult task, BUT, does
it make any difference to do the calculations in a different base number
system?
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| Mark South 2007-12-10, 7:14 am |
| On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:43:14 +0000, Caleb wrote:
> Obviously, calculating pi to it's final digit is a difficult task
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| Jeremy Boden 2007-12-10, 7:14 am |
| On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:19:41 +0100, Mark South wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:43:14 +0000, Caleb wrote:
>
>
Pi has no final digit (except in a suitable irrational base).
--
Jeremy Boden
"64 bits good, 32 bits bad"
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| Luc The Perverse 2007-12-10, 1:12 pm |
| Jeremy Boden wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:19:41 +0100, Mark South wrote:
>
> Pi has no final digit (except in a suitable irrational base).
>
I was designing a numeral base recently based off distance around a unit
circle. However I was having trouble discretizing the digits.
If I represent it in terms of pi it becomes so much easier! Thanks for
the brilliant idea!
--
LTP
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| Big and Blue 2007-12-10, 7:12 pm |
| Caleb wrote:
>
> Obviously, calculating pi to it's final digit is a difficult task, BUT, does
> it make any difference to do the calculations in a different base number
> system?
Yes - there is a method for calculating the nth digit of pi directly in
one number base. But I forget which base that is.
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Just because I've written it doesn't mean that
either you or I have to believe it.
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| Michael Rozdoba 2007-12-10, 7:12 pm |
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> Yes - there is a method for calculating the nth digit of pi directly
> in one number base. But I forget which base that is.
Binary or Hex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBP_formula
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| Jeremy Boden 2007-12-10, 7:12 pm |
| On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:47:29 +0000, Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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> Big and Blue wrote:
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> Binary or Hex
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBP_formula
But it's slow - so if you want a few hundred digits, it's better to use a
more traditional method.
--
Jeremy Boden
"64 bits good, 32 bits bad"
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| Josef Moellers 2007-12-11, 7:14 am |
| Michael Rozdoba wrote:
> Big and Blue wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Binary or Hex
>=20
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBP_formula
AFAICR there is an algorithm that does an estimate for the nth digit in=20
O(1) time. It only works for binary and is accurate in 50% of all cases ;=
-)
SCNR
--=20
These are my personal views and not those of Fujitsu Siemens Computers!
Josef M=F6llers (Pinguinpfleger bei FSC)
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| ChrisC wrote:
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
>
Clearly, this is a troll seeing as 'ChrisC' has not followed up to any
of the replies...
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| Michael Rozdoba 2007-12-11, 7:14 am |
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> Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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> AFAICR there is an algorithm that does an estimate for the nth digit in
> O(1) time. It only works for binary and is accurate in 50% of all cases ;-)
Reminds me of an old mechanical clock I used to have. Kept better time
than an atomic clock - twice a day, at any rate.
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| Michael Rozdoba 2007-12-11, 7:14 am |
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> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:47:29 +0000, Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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> But it's slow - so if you want a few hundred digits, it's better to use a
> more traditional method.
The only reasons to use it are if you only want the nth digit, not all
of the first n, or if you need to avoid large precision arithmetic
within the algorithm.
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| Martin Gregorie 2007-12-11, 7:14 am |
| Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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> Reminds me of an old mechanical clock I used to have. Kept better time
> than an atomic clock - twice a day, at any rate.
>
But only if you never wind it.
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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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| On 2007-12-11, Chris wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Clearly, this is a troll seeing as 'ChrisC' has not followed up to any
> of the replies...
No shit. You catch on quick.
--
"Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
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| CBFalconer 2007-12-12, 1:16 am |
| Martin Gregorie wrote:
> Michael Rozdoba wrote:
>
>
> But only if you never wind it.
That is not necessary. However, it does simplify the defining of
the time-of-day when the clock is accurate.
--
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Joyeux Noel, Bonne Annee.
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| Michael B. Trausch 2007-12-15, 1:12 pm |
| On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
>
> Does any one notice that KDE is less stable than Gnome. I find Gnome
> crashes less and is a lot more solid. This isn't Gnome Vs KDE debate,
> just an observation.
>
While I cannot say that I have found KDE to be less stable when using it
with the functionality that it has, I have found it to be less stable
indirectly when doing things that it was not designed to do. For example,
it does not know how to interface with SSL NNTP servers (NNTPS) using
KNode. It /does/ lack a significant amount of functionality.
Furthermore, the KDE project has issues releasing things when they say
that they are going to release them. I like the stability (both in
software and in the project itself) that GNOME has to offer, including
regular incremental releases and so forth.
It is still largely a matter of opinion which desktop distribution you
like more, but for me it comes down to a question of the available
applications for the system and the support for various tasks that the
distribution has available for me, the user. GNOME has what feels like a
much better finished interface for the system; it has not always been that
way. It is also certainly possible for the KDE project to straighten
themselves out and start releasing things regularly. But, the biggest
failure in my mind on the part of the KDE project is that KDE 4 was
supposed to be released before Windows Vista; we are still waiting for the
release of KDE 4.0, and the beta releases that I have seen don’t work all
that well at all.
I think that KDE would be far better than it is if GNOME would not have
been started, because there would be more available effort going towards
it. As some of you might recall, the GNOME project was started over
licensing and continues due to inertia and happy users of the project. If
either project were to disappear, I would place my bets on KDE over GNOME
at this point, simply for many of the reasons that I already stated.
--- Mike
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Michael B. Trausch http://www.trausch.us/
Ubuntu Unoffical Backports Project http://backports.trausch.us/
Pidgin, ufiformat, and more; supporting Ubuntu Feisty and Gutsy
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| David Wührer 2007-12-16, 7:14 am |
| Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> While I cannot say that I have found KDE to be less stable when using it
> with the functionality that it has, I have found it to be less stable
> indirectly when doing things that it was not designed to do. For example,
> it does not know how to interface with SSL NNTP servers (NNTPS) using
> KNode.
Are you saying knode crashes when it does something it cannot do?
> It is still largely a matter of opinion which desktop distribution you
> like more, but for me it comes down to a question of the available
> applications for the system and the support for various tasks that the
> distribution has available for me, the user.
gucharmap works with KDE, and k3b works with GNOME. Applications are not a
matter of what environment you use. For a user, it's rather if you prefer
kwin and kicker, or metacity and gnome-panel.
> It is also certainly possible for the KDE project to straighten
> themselves out and start releasing things regularly. But, the biggest
> failure in my mind on the part of the KDE project is that KDE 4 was
> supposed to be released before Windows Vista; we are still waiting for the
> release of KDE 4.0, and the beta releases that I have seen don’t work all
> that well at all.
Who cares about Vista. Hardly anyone uses it anyway.
As for KDE4, I'd rather it is released when it is finished, than released
now and finished in regular semi-yearly upgrade steps later. What is there
to "straighten out" about that?
In the meantime, KDE3.5.8 has been released, and not because the Kalendar
told them it was time to do a release.
I use both GNOME and KDE, and I'd have to say that GNOME is really easy to
use for beginners. Yet everyone I ever gave a choice strongly preferred
KDE. I don't know why either.
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| vincent 2007-12-18, 1:16 am |
| Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:53:26 +0000, ChrisC wrote:
>
> While I cannot say that I have found KDE to be less stable when using it
> with the functionality that it has, I have found it to be less stable
> indirectly when doing things that it was not designed to do. For example,
> it does not know how to interface with SSL NNTP servers (NNTPS) using
> KNode. It /does/ lack a significant amount of functionality.
> Furthermore, the KDE project has issues releasing things when they say
> that they are going to release them. I like the stability (both in
> software and in the project itself) that GNOME has to offer, including
> regular incremental releases and so forth.
>
> It is still largely a matter of opinion which desktop distribution you
> like more, but for me it comes down to a question of the available
> applications for the system and the support for various tasks that the
> distribution has available for me, the user. GNOME has what feels like a
> much better finished interface for the system; it has not always been that
> way. It is also certainly possible for the KDE project to straighten
> themselves out and start releasing things regularly. But, the biggest
> failure in my mind on the part of the KDE project is that KDE 4 was
> supposed to be released before Windows Vista; we are still waiting for the
> release of KDE 4.0, and the beta releases that I have seen don’t work all
> that well at all.
>
> I think that KDE would be far better than it is if GNOME would not have
> been started, because there would be more available effort going towards
> it. As some of you might recall, the GNOME project was started over
> licensing and continues due to inertia and happy users of the project. If
> either project were to disappear, I would place my bets on KDE over GNOME
> at this point, simply for many of the reasons that I already stated.
>
> --- Mike
>
i hate kde
always looks like some kids high school assignment to me, rather gnome
anyday
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