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| Edmund 2007-07-06, 1:13 pm |
| I just installed Debian and testing it right now.
One big problem is that the nice looking Evoluation mail program
doesn't work!? All seems fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed
out. I am pretty sure all is configured well since I used another
version of it under Ubuntu without problems.
Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal or anything else I
can try?
Pan
I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find here
is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.
Thanks
Edmund
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| On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:
> I just installed Debian and testing it right now. One big problem is
> that the nice looking Evoluation mail program doesn't work!? All seems
> fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed out. I am pretty sure all
> is configured well since I used another version of it under Ubuntu
> without problems. Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal
> or anything else I can try?
Click file => work online
> Pan
> I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find
> here is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
> Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.
You can install fetchnews
> Thanks
>
> Edmund
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| On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:07:55 +0200, repo wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:
> You can install fetchnews
off course I ment leafnode or another NNTP server
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>
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| Mumia W. 2007-07-06, 1:13 pm |
| On 07/06/2007 06:22 AM, Edmund wrote:
> I just installed Debian and testing it right now.
> One big problem is that the nice looking Evoluation mail program
> doesn't work!? All seems fine but the "send /receive" button is grayed
> out. I am pretty sure all is configured well since I used another
> version of it under Ubuntu without problems.
> Suggestions, please, must I try to send via a terminal or anything else I
> can try?
>
Evolution works here. Go into "Tools/ Settings" and enter the
information that needed in the various sections. Probably Ubuntu enters
this data for you, but Debian does not.
> Pan
> I am using "pan" newsreader looks pretty good too, what I cannot find here
> is an option to download all headers AND messages for off-line use.
> Since I often use my laptop on hotspots I really must have such option.
>
> Thanks
>
> Edmund
>
Pan (0.13-0.14) definitely supports offline news reading without needing
other software; however, the fact that Pan has no manual can be a
challenge for newcomers.
As Repo said, you can switch between online and offline modes using the
menu option "File/Work Online."
It's been a while since I've used Pan, but I remember setting up filters
to download newsgroup messages. Pan is a complicated newsreader, and
there are many ways to do things in it.
You can have filters download the messages you want. You can select
groups of messages to be downloaded--then download them. You can tell
Pan to download all messages in any newsgroup you enter.
Hunt through the menus and carefully read the tooltips. That's probably
how I learned to use Pan.
However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
<http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
manual and is more stable.
Good luck.
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| Edmund 2007-07-06, 7:13 pm |
| On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:07:55 +0200, repo wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000, Edmund wrote:
>
>
> Click file => work online
Great, how could I have missed that one :-)
>
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| Edmund 2007-07-08, 7:13 am |
| In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Mumia W."
wrote:
> On 07/06/2007 06:22 AM, Edmund wrote:
New try ( my ISP is giving me problems too )
>
> Evolution works here. Go into "Tools/ Settings" and enter the
> information that needed in the various sections. Probably Ubuntu enters
> this data for you, but Debian does not.
It was the "Work Online" button I didn't see :-)
>
> here
>
> Pan (0.13-0.14) definitely supports offline news reading without needing
> other software; however, the fact that Pan has no manual can be a
> challenge for newcomers.
My Version does not have these features, why is version 0.13-0.14 not
under the synaptic thing? Or must I search for other servers?
>
> As Repo said, you can switch between online and offline modes using the
> menu option "File/Work Online."
Yes in pan too but that gives me no messages for off line reading.
>
> It's been a while since I've used Pan, but I remember setting up filters
> to download newsgroup messages. Pan is a complicated newsreader, and
> there are many ways to do things in it.
>
> You can have filters download the messages you want. You can select
> groups of messages to be downloaded--then download them. You can tell
> Pan to download all messages in any newsgroup you enter.
>
> Hunt through the menus and carefully read the tooltips. That's probably
> how I learned to use Pan.
Don't see these options or filters.
>
> However, I stopped using Pan in favor of Thunderbird
> <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/> since Thunderbird has a
> manual and is more stable.
OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself?
I unpacked the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin
But it did not install.
Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>
> Good luck.
Thank you I can use a little :-)
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| On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:42:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
> In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Mumia W." wrote:
do chmod +x insttall.bin
../install.bin
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>
> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself? I unpacked
> the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin But it did not
> install.
> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>
do :
chmod +x install.bin
../install.bin
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| Rodney 2007-07-08, 1:13 pm |
| [snip]
cannot find[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> My Version does not have these features, why is version 0.13-0.14 not
> under the synaptic thing? Or must I search for other servers?
Edmund, you didn't state what Debian version you installed, was it etch?
Do you have Pan version .119-1? Pan version 0.14 is from sarge, that's why
you might not find it listed in the synaptic package manager, if you are
using etch repositories.
Are you saying that, in Pan, in the preferences, there is no option to
"Download new headers and bodies from suscribed groups when starting Pan"?
One wouldn't expect the maintainer to remove such a useful option when
upgrading to a newer version. I'm posting this from sarge with Pan .14 and
it's in this version.
That would be fine for a broadband connection but would take a while if
one was suscribed to a lot of newsgroups and would require some disk
space. I use Pan but just download the ones I choose to read for offline,
but you may want them all. Any message bodies you download to read are
available for offline viewing. I assume you haven't optioned it to clear
the cache when exiting.
[snip][vbcol=seagreen]
>
> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself? I unpacked
> the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin But it did not
> install.
> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
>
>
>
Since you mentioned synaptic (a GUI package manager front end) and don't
seem experienced at installing, I'm assuming you're new at this, so I
don't understand why you didn't use the package manager to install
Thunderbird (or Icedove). That way the package manager will know about it
being installed, put it in the necessary location for Debian and it will
get security upgrades along with your other Debian packages. If you need
the latest, newest version direct from Mozilla then you'll have to keep it
up-to-date manually, are you sure that is what you want to do? There's
nothing wrong with doing it that way as long as you realise what is
involved.
I don't know why Mumia W doesn't consider Pan stable, I've never had any
stability issues with it and personally I like it better than TBird as a
newsreader but you can choose what works best for you.
Rodney
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| On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:26:01 -0700, Rodney wrote:
> [snip]
> Are you saying that, in Pan, in the preferences, there is no option to
> "Download new headers and bodies from suscribed groups when starting
> Pan"? One wouldn't expect the maintainer to remove such a useful option
> when upgrading to a newer version. I'm posting this from sarge with Pan
> .14 and it's in this version.
I use Pan 0.131, and there is no option to download the body's, only
headers
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| Mumia W. 2007-07-08, 7:13 pm |
| On 07/08/2007 03:42 AM, Edmund wrote:
> In message <yuvji.5207$zA4.2444@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Mumia W."
> wrote:
>
> Don't see these options or filters.
Pan 0.119 refers to a downloaded article as a "cached" article. "Cache"
an article to download it for offline use.
However, I can't find any filters in Pan 0.119. According to the
website, they rewrote (or massively restructured) the program.
Like I said:
>
> OK I have dowloaded that now how do I install that myself?
> I unpacked the tar.gz file in a folder. I see an mozilla install.bin
> But it did not install.
> Must I use the terminal and "./configure" and "make" ?
> [...]
Repo gave you good advise. Just double-clicking on "install.sh" might
work, but I don't know. I've always installed from a terminal.
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| Edmund 2007-07-09, 7:13 am |
| repo wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 10:42:48 +0200, Edmund wrote:
>
>
> do chmod +x insttall.bin
> ./install.bin
>
>
> do :
> chmod +x install.bin
> ./install.bin
Oops my mistake, in the thunderbird folder there is no install.bin
there is a "mozilla-installer-bin"
No idea what to do with it.
The "help" on the website is funny, click the mozilla file, yeah right!
Edmund
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| Edmund 2007-07-09, 7:13 am |
| Mumia W. wrote:
> On 07/08/2007 03:42 AM, Edmund wrote:
>
> Pan 0.119 refers to a downloaded article as a "cached" article. "Cache"
> an article to download it for offline use.
Thanks I just found that and I can indeed select all articles and
"cache" them. However I would have preferred an option "download
headers and messages".
>
> However, I can't find any filters in Pan 0.119. According to the
> website, they rewrote (or massively restructured) the program.
>
> Like I said:
>
>
> Repo gave you good advise. Just double-clicking on "install.sh" might
> work, but I don't know. I've always installed from a terminal.
I don't see an install.sh and there is no information about installing
under linx on there website.
What I do see is an "mozilla-installer-bin" what do I do with that?
Edmund
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| AJackson 2007-07-09, 7:13 am |
| On Jul 9, 11:42 am, Edmund <nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mumia W. wrote:
>
>
> I don't see an install.sh and there is no information about installing
> under linx on there website.
>
> What I do see is an "mozilla-installer-bin" what do I do with that?
rm mozilla-installer-bin
Start synaptics and install "iceape", as that IS mozilla web browser.
iceweasel is firefox and icedove is thunderbird
If you don't know what to di with mozilla-installer-bin, you should
not use it untill you know your ways around a Linux and Debian-system.
Good luck
Jxn
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| Mumia W. 2007-07-09, 1:14 pm |
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On 07/09/2007 04:42 AM, Edmund wrote:
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> I don't see an install.sh and there is no information about installing
> under linx on there website.
>
> What I do see is an "mozilla-installer-bin" what do I do with that?
>
> Edmund
>
>
>
Read the README file in the unpacked directory.
Since you are using Etch, you might have to also install the old C++
compatibility library, libstdc++5.
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| Rodney 2007-07-09, 1:14 pm |
| On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:49:53 +0200, repo wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 05:26:01 -0700, Rodney wrote:
>
>
>
> I use Pan 0.131, and there is no option to download the body's, only
> headers
Oh, so you must be using the version directly from upstream, .131 is
listed as a beta.
So are you saying that the latest version of Pan doesn't cache message
bodies? If so, the one the original poster mentioned, from the Debian
repositoroies, might be the same. I don't understand why they would
remove offline reading, the second sentence on the site describes Pan as
an offline newsreader. If so, I guess I'll stay pinned to the stable
version that I like. Is there a possibility that the option now is called
something else?
Thanks for the information.
Rodney
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| On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:22:45 +0200, Edmund wrote:
> repo wrote:
>
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Oops my mistake, in the thunderbird folder there is no install.bin there
> is a "mozilla-installer-bin"
> No idea what to do with it.
>
chmod +x mozilla-installer.bin
../mozilla-installer.bin
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| Mumia W. 2007-07-09, 7:13 pm |
| On 07/09/2007 02:46 PM, Edmund wrote:
> repo wrote:
>
>
> OK nothing happens ?
>
>
Read the README file in that directory.
You need to be within X Windows and in an X terminal emulator first.
Then invoke ./mozilla-installer (no .bin).
Mozilla-installer is a shell script that sets up the environment so that
mozilla-installer.bin can run.
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| Edmund 2007-07-10, 7:13 am |
| Mumia W. wrote:
> On 07/09/2007 02:46 PM, Edmund wrote:
>
> Read the README file in that directory.
That doesn't help a bit:
------------------------
For information about installing, running and configuring Thunderbird
including a list of known issues and troubleshooting information,
refer to: http://getthunderbird.com/releases/
--------------------------------
If I go there I get http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/
with no help for linux installing anywhere.
>
> You need to be within X Windows and in an X terminal emulator first.
> Then invoke ./mozilla-installer (no .bin).
OK what is an X Windows where do I find that and the same for the
X terminal emulator???
>
> Mozilla-installer is a shell script that sets up the environment so that
> mozilla-installer.bin can run.
How do I run that shell script?
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| Rodney 2007-07-10, 1:14 pm |
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:24:30 +0200, Edmund wrote:
> Mumia W. wrote:
>
>
> That doesn't help a bit:
> ------------------------
> For information about installing, running and configuring Thunderbird
> including a list of known issues and troubleshooting information, refer
> to: http://getthunderbird.com/releases/ --------------------------------
>
> If I go there I get http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ with no
> help for linux installing anywhere.
>
>
>
> OK what is an X Windows where do I find that and the same for the X
> terminal emulator???
>
> How do I run that shell script?
Edmund, since this has become confusing, perhaps it is time for you to
consider using the package manager (synaptic) that you are already
familiar with to install Thunderbird (Icedove). {If you search the
Internet you'll find lots about why the name change in Debian.} As I
mentioned previously, that way the package manager will know about it
being installed, put it in the necessary location for Debian and it will
get security upgrades along with your other Debian packages. If you
install manually as you are proposing, direct from Mozilla, then you'll
have to keep it up-to-date manually because the package manager won't
'know' about it being installed, are you sure that is what you want to do?
There's nothing wrong with doing it that way as long as realise what is
involved. This is what you would do if you absolutely *need* the latest
and greatest version for some reason.
Using the package manager would be an easy way to get your choice of
newsreader application running and give you time to further research
the Debian file structure, permissions and commands. Once you have good,
consistant access to newsgroups it will be easy to come back with specific
questions. In addition, once installed you'll be able to see where it is
put in the file structure in the Debian way.
There are usually more detailed step-by-step instructions with
Windows executables, when they port for GNU/Linux developers expect the
sys admin to have more knowledge and it usually is true. It's not hard
but you just need a bit more experience. I find it easier to try and
learn things when I'm not in a rush to get something working and much less
frustrating.
Rodney
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| Edmund 2007-07-10, 1:14 pm |
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> What I do see is an "mozilla-installer-bin" what do I do with that?
>
> Edmund
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Test reply
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| sk8r-365 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
| Edmund said:
> Test reply
Over 400 *.test newsgroups from which to chose one but you *had* to
test here... geez.
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| Edmund 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
| sk8r-365 wrote:
> Edmund said:
>
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> Over 400 *.test newsgroups from which to chose one but you *had* to
> test here... geez.
>
I have problems posting to this newsgroup, most others doing fine.
Can you tell me why?, you seems to know it all.
Edmund
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| sk8r-365 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
| Edmund said:
> sk8r-365 wrote:
>
> I have problems posting to this newsgroup, most others doing fine.
> Can you tell me why?, you seems to know it all.
>
> Edmund
You couldn't post saying something intelligent rather than "test"?
You couldn't be sneaky and at least remark on something relevant to your
posts? You couldn't try answering Mr. AJackson's questions
elsewhere?
I don't know why you have so called problems posting to this
news group as even now you are still successfully doing so.
And yet in your true general form you provide no information as to
why you *think* you're having problems posting here - no error
messages, no ISP latency notes, no evidence of any sort, but you
are posting here.
What man on Earth possesses all knowledge? I spoke the truth to you
and you cannot accept it. There are over 400 *.test newsgroups.
I am not above learning something. You could have said, "Geez, I'm
sorry. I didn't know that. Thanks. I'll use one of those 400 *.test
newsgroups next time I'm uncertain."
Mr. AJackson has more kindly and patiently sought to assist you than I,
but you are *still* unwavering in your information-less approach.
An example is your 'test' message. While you provided opinion why you
disliked my advise you still provided no proofs of your posting problems.
Just as with your other issues in prior posts there is no evidence.
Get a clue ! RTFM and STFW !
READ and HEED this page
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Here's a good starting point for you from that URL:
[quote]
Be precise and informative about your problem
1) Describe the symptoms of your problem or bug carefully and clearly.
2) Describe the environment in which it occurs (machine, OS, application,
whatever). Provide your vendor's distribution and release level
(e.g.: “Fedora Core 4”, “Slackware 9.1”, etc.).
3) Describe the research you did to try and understand the problem before
you asked the question.
4) Describe the diagnostic steps you took to try and pin down the problem
yourself before you asked the question.
5) Describe any possibly relevant recent changes in your computer or software
configuration.
6) Do the best you can to anticipate the questions a hacker will ask, and answer
them in advance in your request for help.
[/quote]
Hey folks, is Edmund trolling?
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| Darren Salt 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
| I demand that Edmund may or may not have written...
[snip]
> I have problems posting to this newsgroup, most others doing fine.
> Can you tell me why?, you seems to know it all.
It's Baldrick's fault.
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| sk8r-365 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
| Government satellites recorded Darren Salt saying:
> I demand that Edmund may or may not have written...
>
> [snip]
>
> It's Baldrick's fault.
>
Excellent! Perfect match.
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| Edmund 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
|
> Just as with your other issues in prior posts there is no evidence.
So you know it all better then me right?
How about the posts that didn't make it to the newsgroup?
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| Edmund 2007-07-10, 7:14 pm |
|
Hi Rodney,
I am on Icedove now and it seems to be OK now, time will tell
if it keeps working.
Thanks
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| sk8r-365 2007-07-11, 1:14 am |
| Government satellites recorded Edmund saying:
>
>
> So you know it all better then me right?
> How about the posts that didn't make it to the newsgroup?
>
Sir, you are a waste of my time. I'll speak to you after I've seen
consistent intelligent posts by you.
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| AJackson 2007-07-11, 7:14 pm |
| On Jul 9, 9:46 pm, Edmund <nom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> repo wrote:
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> OK nothing happens ?
Nothing as in what?
Program locks
Program exits directly
A window poping up which you can't interact with.
How do you know that nothing happens? It might write some files that
you haven't seen.
You do not give us any information to work on, AND you ignore our
sollutions that is on your beginners level, insisting on doing it the
HARD software develloper way.
What you SHOULD do, as you seems to be a beginner (nothing wrong with
being a beginner, as we all been there), you should take an easier
step and NOT try to do it the hard way. Do install software with
Synaptic or aptitude, as they are packages adjusted for Debian.
1) The hard way you try:
=========
Find and download pre compiled (or source) of the software you want to
install. Find out which other software is needed and install them (by
doing step 1) again). Find out how to install the software. Install
it on right place, have right file rights on all files (to restricted
and you can't run it, to unrestricted, and it is an security risk).
After that you might have to find why it doesn't work in the way you
want. Then you have to know about read and understan errorlog files,
X Windows, X11, handle processes etc... Then you MIGHT get it to
run. And when a security fix comes out, YOU have to find out about it
and reinstall ALL software you installed again. And you have to do
this for Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird
It isn't rocket science, but that is not fixing a TV, washing machine,
car etc either. Do you do that?
==========
2) The easy Debian way, that you ignore:
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Start your favorite package handling program (might be synaptic),
search and select package "iceape", "iceweasel" and "Icedove". Select
install packages. Start useing your software.
OR
Start a terminal window or type Ctrl-Alt-F1 (later, to get back to
graphic, type Ctrl-Alt-F7 or Ctrl-Alt-F8)
Type these commands
su -
aptitude install iceweasel
aptitude install icedove
aptitude install iceape
Log out your session in this "window"
Go back to graphical environment, type Ctrl-Alt-F7, and try your new
installed software.
Now you would have Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla installed (under
those new names, but IT IS THE SAME SOFTWARE).
=========
So, what do you want to do, 1 or 2? Do you at this time has the
knowled to do 1?
I have knowled to do 1, but I prefere 2 as it is MUCH easier and gets
a much better result.
So why do you insist on doing 1?
Yours, A Jackson
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