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Can't Install Compiz-Fusion
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| Philluminati 2007-09-17, 1:14 pm |
| On Sep 14, 4:06 pm, "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w
+nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 09/14/2007 03:27 AM, Philluminati wrote:
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> Compizconfig-settings-manager is not part of Debian Etch.
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> Ubuntu and Debian are different operating systems; some things that are
> in Ubuntu are not in Debian and vice versa. Compiz is in Debian; use
> aptitude's interactive interface to find its parts. Most probably,
> installing 'compiz' will do.
Ok, I've figured out how to do it on Debian.
Use this guide, the debian guide, recommended from the official
OpenCompositing site:
http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
The most important thing is to change your sources list, blanking out
EVERYTHING except http://ftp.debian.org
If you chose a mirror, DELETE it, it probably won't have the unstable
stuff you need!!!
Then it works!
Phill
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| Darren Salt 2007-09-17, 7:12 pm |
| I demand that Philluminati may or may not have written...
> On Sep 14, 4:06 pm, "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w
> +nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[snip][vbcol=seagreen]
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> The most important thing is to change your sources list, blanking out
> EVERYTHING except http://ftp.debian.org
Bad advice.
(a) There's nothing wrong with using ftp.uk.debian.org.
(b) Use of security.d.o is generally regarded as a Good Thing...
There may well be no problem with download.tuxfamily.org/feisty/. However,
backports.org would be a better choice but for the fact that 0.5.2 hasn't yet
made it beyond unstable and, as such, is not a candidate for backporting.
> If you chose a mirror, DELETE it, it probably won't have the unstable
> stuff you need!!!
.... hmm, shouldn't you be using ftp.uk.d.o, which does? :-)
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| Philluminati 2007-09-18, 7:14 am |
| On Sep 17, 8:52 pm, Darren Salt
<n...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote:
> I demand that Philluminati may or may not have written...
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> Bad advice.
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> (a) There's nothing wrong with using ftp.uk.debian.org.
> (b) Use of security.d.o is generally regarded as a Good Thing...
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> There may well be no problem with download.tuxfamily.org/feisty/. However,
> backports.org would be a better choice but for the fact that 0.5.2 hasn't yet
> made it beyond unstable and, as such, is not a candidate for backporting.
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> ... hmm, shouldn't you be using ftp.uk.d.o, which does? :-)
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> | Darren Salt | linux or ds at | nr. Ashington, | Toon
> | RISC OS, Linux | youmustbejoking,demon,co,uk | Northumberland | Army
> | + Burn less waste. Use less packaging. Waste less. USE FEWER RESOURCES.
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> A misguided platypus will lay its eggs in your shorts.
After I installed etch I ran apt-get update and downloaded the 100 or
so packages to bring my system upto date. It was using uk.debian...
after I changed it to ftp.debian.org and do the same thing, there are
over 500 packages, now it's telling me something like "lenny / sid" is
my os. Something does seem wrong with the UK mirror.
The problem with download.tuxfamily is that the packages it's
reporting it can't install, are present, but have the word "ubuntu" in
the package name. Perhaps this is why they aren't being installed.
Anyway, after using the UK mirror and a different guide, I have compiz
installed and I even have the compiz fusion icon application installed
and it STILL doesn't work. When I do compiz --replace I lose the
window borders. I can't find a guide that fixes these issues. All the
results from google don't actually tell you what people did to fix the
problem.
It's frustrating. I've spent 6+ hours to try and get this working on
debian and I've found apt to be a complete pain. It's clunky,
confusing (apt-get dist-upgrade???) and just flat out doesn't work.
I'm close to giving up and installing Fedora because it works out of
the box and I installed compiz with in an hour once. It shoudn't be
this hard, honestly.
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| Darren Salt 2007-09-18, 1:12 pm |
| I demand that Philluminati may or may not have written...
> On Sep 17, 8:52 pm, Darren Salt
> <n...@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
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[snip my .sig]
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> After I installed etch I ran apt-get update and downloaded the 100 or
> so packages to bring my system upto date. It was using uk.debian...
> after I changed it to ftp.debian.org and do the same thing, there are
> over 500 packages, now it's telling me something like "lenny / sid" is
> my os. Something does seem wrong with the UK mirror.
That looks like an error on your part - lines referencing "testing" will tend
to do this. Also, you do not say when this release name change occurred; and
if you only noticed it after changing your sources.list and updating, how do
you know that it was ftp.uk.d.o which was the problem?
> The problem with download.tuxfamily is that the packages it's
> reporting it can't install, are present, but have the word "ubuntu" in
> the package name. Perhaps this is why they aren't being installed.
No; Ubuntu-targetted packages may well be installable, or there may be
dependency issues or conflicts. You probably want to check by using aptitude.
(FWIW, there is currently one package in testing which has a version number
which includes the string "ubuntu"...)
> Anyway, after using the UK mirror and a different guide, I have compiz
> installed and I even have the compiz fusion icon application installed and
> it STILL doesn't work. When I do compiz --replace I lose the window
> borders. [...]
Do you have either compiz-gtk or compiz-kde?
> It's frustrating. I've spent 6+ hours to try and get this working on debian
> and I've found apt to be a complete pain. It's clunky, confusing (apt-get
> dist-upgrade???)
dist-upgrade is a rarely-used option.
> and just flat out doesn't work. I'm close to giving up and installing
> Fedora because it works out of the box and I installed compiz with in an
> hour once. It shoudn't be this hard, honestly.
It isn't.
ATM your best option appears to be to stick with testing, add lines for
unstable to your sources.list, update your security.d.o lines for
lenny/updates rather than etch/updates, and put something like the following
(after unindenting) in /etc/apt/preferences:
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian, a=testing
Pin-Priority: 450
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 400
Basically, this prefers packages in testing over packages from anywhere else.
"man apt_preferences" for details.
You might also want to use aptitude instead of apt-get...
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| Rodney 2007-09-18, 1:12 pm |
| On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:01:12 +0000, Philluminati wrote:
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> After I installed etch I ran apt-get update and downloaded the 100 or so
> packages to bring my system upto date. It was using uk.debian... after I
> changed it to ftp.debian.org and do the same thing, there are over 500
> packages, now it's telling me something like "lenny / sid" is my os.
> Something does seem wrong with the UK mirror.
>
> The problem with download.tuxfamily is that the packages it's reporting it
> can't install, are present, but have the word "ubuntu" in the package
> name. Perhaps this is why they aren't being installed.
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> Anyway, after using the UK mirror and a different guide, I have compiz
> installed and I even have the compiz fusion icon application installed and
> it STILL doesn't work. When I do compiz --replace I lose the window
> borders. I can't find a guide that fixes these issues. All the results
> from google don't actually tell you what people did to fix the problem.
>
> It's frustrating. I've spent 6+ hours to try and get this working on
> debian and I've found apt to be a complete pain. It's clunky, confusing
> (apt-get dist-upgrade???) and just flat out doesn't work. I'm close to
> giving up and installing Fedora because it works out of the box and I
> installed compiz with in an hour once. It shoudn't be this hard, honestly.
Well Philluminati, the release notes for etch mention that aptitude is now
the recommended package manager. Since release I've seen lots of trouble
reports from people who got into problems trying to continue to do things
the old way, it requires care and adaption.
By the way, "update", just downloads the newest package lists
from the repositories in your sources list, it does not upgrade anything
so I'm not totally clear about what you mean in your first paragraph above.
Another thing to note is that compiz-fusion is in sid (unstable), so if
you forced it into an etch (stable) system it isn't surprising that the
system recognises that it's now a mixed system (mixed systems always
present problems and that's why it's only recommended for experts). It
also doesn't seem surprising to me that the etch package manager doesn't
want to automagically install an unbuntu package, that is the behaviour I
would prefer. You could force it, it might work, but it also might not,
might depend on dependencies. Ubuntu is not Debian, it's derived from
Debian.
I understand how your situation would be frustrating, but that really
isn't Debian or apt-get's fault, it isn't fair to blame ones tools for the
choices one makes. If you want a stable system use only stable packages.
If you want the newest anything, pick a distro that offers it natively or
learn how to successfully run a mixed system.
The package managers in Debian do just "flat out" work. Honestly, it isn't
that hard unless one makes it so. Etch also works "out of the box", it
just may not have everything you want.
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