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Fedora Core 3 update failure - Help Please - warning! slight newbie moaning
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Hi Guys,
Had Fedora 3 around for a while but have just installed it for the
first time. No problems with the installation / partitioning / dual
boot etc but I am having severe difficulty with the upgrades via the
built in upgrade yum thingy as per the manual.
BTW WTF is with this naming convention is it supposed to be next to
impossible to figure out what apps are from the given name? some sort
of code is it? I will learn but I don't see why it has to be so bloody
inpenetrable in the first place, as a long time windows user running /
building networks I am exactly the sort of person Fedora should be
trying to convince (which is exactly why I have a copy) - first
impressions of ridiculously silly jargon and names are not very good -
however - enough moaning I can deal with that I would just rather not
have to.
Sorry to digress I feel better now - back to upgrades.
I have the "key" installed, I am registered with Fedora, its talking
to the server OK but it hangs at various points ie sometimes it gets
further than others before hanging usually at the "resolving RPMs"
stage or "Downloading Packages" (not) stage - for no apparant reason,
can't be more specific I have never seen a completed update sequence
yet and no error messages at all - nada.
Fedora help did not help beyond giving me links to info I am aware of
but do not have a clue how to interpret - far too technical and way
too steep a learning curve for the first time I have ever played with
a Linux distro.
Anyway.
Re-installed clean
No Firewalls at all installed - took em out on the re-install to
eliminate possible firewall problems with updates. Also I deactivated
the extra security because I read it is not for newbies and can cause
problems.
Behind a NAT router - Online OK and talking to WAN & LAN no problems.
Should I just DL Fedora Core 4 and install it over the top - would
that in effect update it + possibly fix the unrecognized monitor
problem without me having to find drivers + clear up the update
failure problem? (I know but humour me I have to believe that that
this is far better than Windows, pleeeeease).
Some clues re what to do next - in English 8-) would be very nice
TIA
Jonah
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| Some Other Somebody Else 2005-10-11, 7:47 am |
| On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:48:57 +0100, jonah <jonah@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>Hi Guys,
>
>Had Fedora 3 around for a while but have just installed it for the
>first time. No problems with the installation / partitioning / dual
>boot etc but I am having severe difficulty with the upgrades via the
>built in upgrade yum thingy as per the manual.
>
>BTW WTF is with this naming convention is it supposed to be next to
>impossible to figure out what apps are from the given name? some sort
>of code is it? I will learn but I don't see why it has to be so bloody
>inpenetrable in the first place, as a long time windows user running /
>building networks I am exactly the sort of person Fedora should be
>trying to convince (which is exactly why I have a copy) - first
>impressions of ridiculously silly jargon and names are not very good -
>however - enough moaning I can deal with that I would just rather not
>have to.
If I'm not misconstruing your complaint here, I think maybe part of
the problem is that "annoying" is subjective, as well as partly a
matter of wht you're used to - I personally would rather have a
bootloader called "grub" and an mp3 encoder called "lame" and similar
quirky names than Microsoft's condescending smart-this and smart-that
and my-this and my-that, and even though Microsoft's names try harder
to be warm, fuzzy, and un-computerish, one still has to know what they
are before one knows what to do with them. The Window manager KDE
usually has a lot of plain-English names and descriptions for
applications in its menu, so that might be a place to look is you want
a more Windows-like experience and less computerese to ease the
transition.
>Sorry to digress I feel better now - back to upgrades.
>
> I have the "key" installed, I am registered with Fedora, its talking
>to the server OK but it hangs at various points ie sometimes it gets
>further than others before hanging usually at the "resolving RPMs"
>stage or "Downloading Packages" (not) stage - for no apparant reason,
>can't be more specific I have never seen a completed update sequence
>yet and no error messages at all - nada.
Have you tried using the graphical updater "up2date"? It might be a
little more self-explanatory that a command line tool like "yum".
Also, are you sure that the program is actually hanging, and not just
busy? If you have a lot of updates, resolving the dependencies and
such can sometimes take quite a while, and at this point there are are
quite a few updates for Fedora 3 available. I am using Fedora 3 now,
and just got through installing the latest updates with no trouble at
all, and it didn't take any special tricks. So maybe if you use
up2date and give it time to work you'll be all right.
>Anyway.
>
>Re-installed clean
>
>No Firewalls at all installed - took em out on the re-install to
>eliminate possible firewall problems with updates. Also I deactivated
>the extra security because I read it is not for newbies and can cause
>problems.
>
>Behind a NAT router - Online OK and talking to WAN & LAN no problems.
>
>Should I just DL Fedora Core 4 and install it over the top - would
>that in effect update it + possibly fix the unrecognized monitor
>problem without me having to find drivers + clear up the update
>failure problem? (I know but humour me I have to believe that that
>this is far better than Windows, pleeeeease).
If you haven't customized you system much, and you want to try FC4 to
see if it's more compatible with your hardware, it might be faster and
easier to just install it from scratch, because if it's updating an
existing system then it might have to take time to resolve
dependencies 
YMMV, but I certainly like it better than Windows. All new things
take a little getting used to, more or less, but....
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| Some Other Somebody Else 2005-10-11, 7:47 am |
| Sorry about the typos; I should remember to proofread more when I post
while sleepy...
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| Some Other Somebody Else 2005-10-11, 7:47 am |
| As an afterthought, it looks to me like there are some other issues
you would want to look into in order to have a more relevant frame of
reference on the subject, like what the Fedora project is about and
which software is good for newbies - there was a thread back on 9/12
(Subject: FC3 or FC4?) that got into some of that; it and other
related comments should be available on Google groups and allow you to
get an idea of what newbies have already asked and been answered,
without the need to duplicate effort and bandwidth. IMHO, it is
probably a good idea to go to http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ and
follow the instructions there to get the latest stable release of
relatively user-friendly and still customizable graphical interface
for your system, so you don't have to worry about program names and
system directory names and such right off the bat. The KDE project,
unlike the Red Hat company at the moment, puts a relatively heavy
emphasis on user friendliness (not to knock Red Hat but it has other
priorities).
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| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:23:22 GMT, Some Other Somebody Else
<m.d.n.plop.agy@worldnet.a.fizz.tt.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:48:57 +0100, jonah <jonah@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>
>If I'm not misconstruing your complaint here, I think maybe part of
>the problem is that "annoying" is subjective, as well as partly a
>matter of wht you're used to - I personally would rather have a
>bootloader called "grub" and an mp3 encoder called "lame" and similar
>quirky names than Microsoft's condescending smart-this and smart-that
>and my-this and my-that, and even though Microsoft's names try harder
>to be warm, fuzzy, and un-computerish, one still has to know what they
>are before one knows what to do with them. The Window manager KDE
>usually has a lot of plain-English names and descriptions for
>applications in its menu, so that might be a place to look is you want
>a more Windows-like experience and less computerese to ease the
>transition.
OK you are right its just what I am not used to so I had the
obligatory moan 8-)
KDE - I will try that.
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>Have you tried using the graphical updater "up2date"? It might be a
>little more self-explanatory that a command line tool like "yum".
>Also, are you sure that the program is actually hanging, and not just
>busy? If you have a lot of updates, resolving the dependencies and
>such can sometimes take quite a while, and at this point there are are
>quite a few updates for Fedora 3 available. I am using Fedora 3 now,
>and just got through installing the latest updates with no trouble at
>all, and it didn't take any special tricks. So maybe if you use
>up2date and give it time to work you'll be all right.
Right I will try the up2date app.
>
>
>If you haven't customized you system much, and you want to try FC4 to
>see if it's more compatible with your hardware, it might be faster and
>easier to just install it from scratch, because if it's updating an
>existing system then it might have to take time to resolve
>dependencies
OTOH I am DL/ing FC4 on toorent right now so I may just wait and
install from scratch as you say this time with KDE not Gnome as you
say.
>
>YMMV, but I certainly like it better than Windows. All new things
>take a little getting used to, more or less, but....
Well actually I like it - its clean - it just takes some getting used
to and I need a bit of confidence with all these wierd app names so I
know whats going on. I am not the type of guy to give up cos its a bit
harder than Windows to get a grip of. Something I have got to do or I
will end up with Vista and that is not going to happen.
Ta for the help
Jonah
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| On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:43:14 GMT, Some Other Somebody Else
<m.d.n.plop.agy@worldnet.a.fizz.tt.net> wrote:
>As an afterthought, it looks to me like there are some other issues
>you would want to look into in order to have a more relevant frame of
>reference on the subject, like what the Fedora project is about and
>which software is good for newbies - there was a thread back on 9/12
>(Subject: FC3 or FC4?) that got into some of that; it and other
>related comments should be available on Google groups and allow you to
>get an idea of what newbies have already asked and been answered,
>without the need to duplicate effort and bandwidth. IMHO, it is
>probably a good idea to go to http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ and
>follow the instructions there to get the latest stable release of
>relatively user-friendly and still customizable graphical interface
>for your system, so you don't have to worry about program names and
>system directory names and such right off the bat. The KDE project,
>unlike the Red Hat company at the moment, puts a relatively heavy
>emphasis on user friendliness (not to knock Red Hat but it has other
>priorities).
Don't worry about the typos
Also I am currently getting the latest FC4 version and I found the
"unofficial Fedora FAQ" which is very useful.
I will post again when I get the new distro installed, I am looking
forward to learning Linux and eagerly anticipating chucking Windows in
the bin forever.
8-)
Jonah
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