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- Frog aka Max Mustermann & his continuing rage at Burnore
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| Bluejay 2004-12-05, 5:45 pm |
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One of the things that gives Frog away in his Max Mustermann posts is
the fact the must keep going after his enemies. He replicates his
previous posts and complaints. His ego will not allow him to use more
than one remailer. He *must* have it known that it is always the same
person - he, who is posting. That same maniacal ego is what did the
Frog remailer in.
I still say this faggot is in one of the final stages of dementia
precox, brought on by AIDS.
Bluejay at Cotse dot Net
PGP Key is here:
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Max Mustermann Guest
PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: GARY BURNORE
CONVICTION INFORMATION Reply with quote Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
Quote: mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> writes:
Race: W Sex: M Height: 5'08" Weight: 170 LBS. Hair: BRO Eyes: BLU
Birth Date(s): 10-13-1957 Scars, marks, tattoos: State ID #: FBI #:
Dept. Corr. #:
Oh, he's a short little XXXXer isn't he. That's probably the root of
his assholishness, he's just a short little XXXXer, offensively
short, if y'ask me, which I know you didn't.
Short (offensively short) little XXXXer, who'd a thought it? And way
to hell overweight (and that was some years ago, he's probably up to
200 lbs now, easy; short fat and stupid little XXXXer. Jesus h.
christ on a plate. An inbred fat stupid short litte sex offender out
there in the land of the Heartland Hillbilly.
You notice this offensively little (and I do mean little) XXXXer
never replies to posts that hurt his little (and I do mean little)
feelings?
Yup, you can ALWAYS tell when someone posts something true about him
because he remains conspicuously silent. He never responds to those.
Ha! The short little fat XXXXer is too easy really........
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-05, 5:45 pm |
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Bluejay wrote:
<see subject>
That still doesn't explain why he leaves me alone these days.
I do remember that I was being compared to Burnore by the troll that
frequented this group. Anyone raging Burnore is probably the same troll
that raged me..
And be nice to AIDS patients & other sexualities ;-) ,
Thomas
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| Old Man Emu 2004-12-05, 5:45 pm |
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In article <41b34819$0$769$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
> That still doesn't explain why he leaves me alone these days.
>
> I do remember that I was being compared to Burnore by the troll that
> frequented this group. Anyone raging Burnore is probably the same troll
> that raged me..
>
> And be nice to AIDS patients & other sexualities ;-) ,
> Thomas
Thomas, that is NOT the real Bluejay you are communicating with.
The fact that "his new key" is on Cotse doesn't mean shit.
Someone is doing a pretty good job of setting Bluejay up and you
appear to be unwittingly complicit in the deceit. Just ignore
the dip-shit.
- --
Old Man Emu
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| Nomen Nescio 2004-12-06, 5:45 pm |
| In article <UIG5FAGF38327.1517361111@reece.net.au>
Old Man Emu <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
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> In article <41b34819$0$769$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thomas, that is NOT the real Bluejay you are communicating with.
> The fact that "his new key" is on Cotse doesn't mean shit.
> Someone is doing a pretty good job of setting Bluejay up and you
> appear to be unwittingly complicit in the deceit. Just ignore
> the dip-shit.
I don't know, but I think it's Bluejay. I don't have a problem with that,
either. Bluejay can be so over-the-top that it's difficult to tell whether
he's serious or just pulling our legs and I find that to be a good thing.
He probably came back because he got wind that his name was being bantered
about.
I get a kick out of these folks using anonymous remailers to call him scum
for writing what he writes. What, is anonymous (or pseudanonymous in his
case) free speech supposed to be all about bunnies, ice cream cones and
rainbows? Additionally, since I have the guts to see past his extremely
rough exterior, the sheer amount of research he put into the Frog debacle
and the important information he provided to readers of apa-s and
alt.privacy makes him a welcome contributor to any newsgroup I read.
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| Bluejay 2004-12-06, 5:45 pm |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <UIG5FAGF38327.1517361111@reece.net.au>
> Old Man Emu <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
snipped[vbcol=seagreen]
>I don't know, but I think it's Bluejay. I don't have a problem with
> that, either. Bluejay can be so over-the-top that it's difficult to
> tell whether he's serious or just pulling our legs and I find that
> to be a good thing. He probably came back because he got wind that
> his name was being bantered about.
Nope. I think I looked around in these (privacy) groups about once or
twice since I left. My name has been used in vain more times than the
Lord's, so I'm quite used to that. I think that alone should get me
into heaven. What caught my eye - and nose, this time around, was the
stench of Frog, alive and thriving, although sans remailer to flood
with. When I followed my nose it lead me to the Max Mustermann
remailer. A little dabbling about with Google turned up the
remembered stench of frog using the Mustermann remailer to continue
his old ways. As you might remember from my pages, Frog had a varied
career of trolling more than just the privacy groups. As I showed,
his homo fantasies and meaness ran through many Usenet groups.
Same rants about the same people, and uleashing his homo sickness in
other groups as well. I expect he will now spread his crap out among
other remailers since he probably thinks I'm searching Google for
more of his faggot sickness.
The interesting point I found was that almost every post out of
Mustermann was that of trolls. It reminds me of the same type of crap
that used to come out of Frell on a regular basis. But I guess that's
not surprising given the forced sublimation of their base Teutonic
nature over the past 5-6 decades.
>I get a kick out of these folks using anonymous remailers to call
>him scum for writing what he writes.
I wish you'd stop thinking in the plural regarding the trolling
retards in here. Their numbers are only a few, led by Frog.
>What, is anonymous (or pseudanonymous in his case) free speech
>supposed to be all about bunnies, ice cream cones and rainbows?
>Additionally, since I have the guts to see past his extremely rough
> exterior, the sheer amount of research he put into the Frog
>debacle and the important information he provided to readers of
>apa-s and
>alt.privacy makes him a welcome contributor to any newsgroup I
>read.
>
Then maybe you might read the posts from Max Mustermann I have posted
as a heads up that the Evil Faggot is still around and thriving.
Whatever, it ain't my job anymore. I was just curious as to where the
stench was coming from, and now I know.
I leave all with one word: Josie
Bluejay at Cotse dot Net
PGP Key is here:
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...ey-11-18-04.txt
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-16, 6:20 pm |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
| I don't know, but I think it's Bluejay. I don't have a problem with
that,
| either. Bluejay can be so over-the-top that it's difficult to tell
whether
| he's serious or just pulling our legs and I find that to be a good
thing.
| He probably came back because he got wind that his name was being
bantered
| about.
|
| I get a kick out of these folks using anonymous remailers to call him
scum
| for writing what he writes. What, is anonymous (or pseudanonymous in his
| case) free speech supposed to be all about bunnies, ice cream cones and
| rainbows? Additionally, since I have the guts to see past his extremely
| rough exterior, the sheer amount of research he put into the Frog debacle
| and the important information he provided to readers of apa-s and
| alt.privacy makes him a welcome contributor to any newsgroup I read.
Good enough for me.
<http://home.hccnet.nl/t.j.boschloo/...chivedPages.zip> stays for
those interested in Bluejay and/or Frog-Admin.
Still wish Bluejay would attempt to be more civilized..
Thomas
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| Bluejay 2004-12-16, 6:20 pm |
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:25:45 +0100, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
<nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
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>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
snipped
The made the First Amendment in my country to protect "disagreeable"
speech. Agreeable speech doesn't need any First Amendmant.
snip
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Still wish Bluejay would attempt to be more civilized..
>
Like Popeye said: I are what I are.
I killfiled the cheese-monkey in Agent, but I see through Cotse that
he now is offering filters to the other remopes with which to
killfile me.
How utterly laughable. I also notice he got his filter from one who
kissed Frog's XXX in public.
What does this tell people about the constantly maligned Cotse?
I've been with them for a few years, enjoying unfettered "free"
speech, yet these remopes who are supposed to be dedicated to free
speech are the first to try and restrict mine. What a joke.
I was wondering why so many trolls were using BananaShit. I guess
their trolling is allowed, but my free speech isn't.
I say again, as I said last time I was here: Who is worse off
emotionally? I, or those who refuse to killfile me, but go nuts
everytime they read a Bluejay post?
It's like the old saw about wrestling a pig in the mud. I enjoy it,
and the idiots get dirty.
Trolls don't exist without the co-operation of the trolled.
The oldest ruse on Usenet is to label anyone with a differing message
a troll. If you really are interested in shutting up trolls, shut
down the Mustermann machine. It's posts are 90% trolls.
Gee, fellas, it's like I never left.
Thanks!
- --
Bluejay at Cotse dot Net
PGP Key is here:
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...ey-11-18-04.txt
A Chronicle of the Frog Wars
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...eclaration.html
The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous Chronicles
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html
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| Thrasher - The Anonymous Remailer 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
| In article <41bb4b18$0$150$3a628fcd@reader2.nntp.hccnet.nl>, Thomas J.
Boschloo wrote:
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>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>| I don't know, but I think it's Bluejay. I don't have a problem with
>that,
>| either. Bluejay can be so over-the-top that it's difficult to tell
>whether
>| he's serious or just pulling our legs and I find that to be a good
>thing.
>| He probably came back because he got wind that his name was being
>bantered
>| about.
>|
>| I get a kick out of these folks using anonymous remailers to call him
>scum
>| for writing what he writes. What, is anonymous (or pseudanonymous in his
>| case) free speech supposed to be all about bunnies, ice cream cones and
>| rainbows? Additionally, since I have the guts to see past his extremely
>| rough exterior, the sheer amount of research he put into the Frog debacle
>| and the important information he provided to readers of apa-s and
>| alt.privacy makes him a welcome contributor to any newsgroup I read.
>
There is a good reason why Bluejay has been able to find out so much about
Frog Admin... They are one and the same person!
Bluejay *IS* Frog Admin!!! The hate campaign is simply an overzealous
coverup tactic.
>Good enough for me.
><http://home.hccnet.nl/t.j.boschloo/...chivedPages.zip> stays for
>those interested in Bluejay and/or Frog-Admin.
>
>Still wish Bluejay would attempt to be more civilized..
>
>Thomas
>--
>The Thraddash: "So, what's this? SNORT! An unknown alien species?"
>"How wonderful! Someone new to fight!"
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| Tripper 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
| In article
<Ymx1ZWpheQ
==. 54b6ca5761e2ed842b03b47f5d2fe744@1102810
830.nulluser.com>
"Bluejay" <bluejay-no-spam@cotse.net.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
> Gee, fellas, it's like I never left.
[Sigh...] Yeah, I know.
--
Love and Best Wishes
Tripper
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| Anonymous 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
| > Like Popeye said: I are what I are.
>
> I killfiled the cheese-monkey in Agent, but I see through Cotse that
> he now is offering filters to the other remopes with which to
> killfile me.
>
> How utterly laughable. I also notice he got his filter from one who
> kissed Frog's XXX in public.
As Zax doesn't use X-No-Archive and signs every single one of his
posts, I assume that it won't be too difficult for you to provide
some evidence to the alleged "XXX kissing of frog"?
> What does this tell people about the constantly maligned Cotse?
>
> I've been with them for a few years, enjoying unfettered "free"
> speech, yet these remopes who are supposed to be dedicated to free
> speech are the first to try and restrict mine. What a joke.
>
> I was wondering why so many trolls were using BananaShit. I guess
> their trolling is allowed, but my free speech isn't.
If you'd actually take the time to read the filter that Mr. Cheese
posted rather than just believing him, you will see that you are not
filtered or censored in it at all. What was filtered was instead the
hundreds of duplicate flooding posts from frog targetted at you.
None of your posts are filtered on bananasplit and none of them ever
have been. Frog's flood posts were the only thing filtered.
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| Popeye 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
| On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:20:30 -0800 (PST), Bluejay wrote:
>
> Like Popeye said: I are what I are.
Stop stealing my lines Birdie Boi.
> I killfiled the cheese-monkey in Agent,
How *neat and tidy* of you Birdie Boi.
I just love it when somebody announces they have a killfile.
Kinda tells the person being kill-filed to swap IDs doesn't it and tells the
rest of us
how *neat and tidy* you are?
Popeye
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On 12 Dec 2004 13:17:53 -0000, Anonymous wrote in
Message-Id: <36ZGIJUY38333.3040856481@anonymous.poster>:
> As Zax doesn't use X-No-Archive and signs every single one of his
> posts, I assume that it won't be too difficult for you to provide
> some evidence to the alleged "XXX kissing of frog"?
Indeed, I would be interested to see them as well. I don't seem to
recall Frog and I seeing eye to eye on many matters.
Haprauxymatyvely speaking that is. :-)
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?a...mages&lr=&hl=en
> None of your posts are filtered on bananasplit and none of them ever
> have been. Frog's flood posts were the only thing filtered.
Correct, there isn't a single filter designed to trap an individuals
postings. They are intended to catch off-topic drivel and floods. This
group has been going along very nicely for the last few months with no
floods and mostly on-topic messages so filters have been catching very
few postings. Now I'm seeing a need to update them.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
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Bluejay wrote:
| I killfiled the cheese-monkey in Agent, but I see through Cotse that
| he now is offering filters to the other remopes with which to
| killfile me.
|
| How utterly laughable. I also notice he got his filter from one who
| kissed Frog's XXX in public.
It doesn't seem to me that you are filtered by Zax from Bananasplit. My
name is in those filters too and I am not being filtered at his newsserver!
Zax also didn't kiss Frog's XXX in public. I think you would have a hard
time finding such a post. In fact, IIRC from personal e-mail exchange
with Zax I remember that he was very worried about Frog-Admin and the
things he did as a former remop. He just never attacked him in public
because he was a remop himself and didn't want remops to fight between
themselves, but he was very critical about some of the things Frog-Admin
did. This was about one or two years ago IIRC.
The public newsserver was also both a reaction to the floods taking
place and the fact that Frog-Admins newsserver hurt e.g. my free speech
rights.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...t%40192.168.0.4>
| I was wondering why so many trolls were using BananaShit. I guess
| their trolling is allowed, but my free speech isn't.
Again, you are not being filtered at news.bananasplit.info which you can
see for yourself by going there. There are about 60 messages from
'Bluejay' in it now. Some being obvious fakes I guess, but at least you
sign your posts.
| I say again, as I said last time I was here: Who is worse off
| emotionally? I, or those who refuse to killfile me, but go nuts
| everytime they read a Bluejay post?
|
| It's like the old saw about wrestling a pig in the mud. I enjoy it,
| and the idiots get dirty.
You seem to fight with everyone at once instead of singling out targets
to get into a flamewar with. E.g. I do not know what could be wrong with
Len Sassaman which you say is a backstabbing louse in
<Ymx1ZWpheQ==. 09e3dae4926e561c043938bc9b2313ea@1102373
359.nulluser.com>.
(Subject: Re: CyberCrook Len Sassaman put BlueJay on his payroll, Date:
6-12-2004 23:49) If you keep this up you will soon run out of new
targets and you will end up being hated by everyone.
Just pick your fights carefully and don't get enraged blindly by
everything you read here; Most posters here just want to get along and
minimize abuse. Most remops also aren't as publicly visible as
Frog-Admin used to be and I think this is a good thing for a remop so
they can focus on running a privacy service without any distractions.
Good luck to you and everybody who is constructive in this group,
Thomas
- --
The Thraddash: "So, what's this? SNORT! An unknown alien species?"
"How wonderful! Someone new to fight!"
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| emperor 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
>The public newsserver was also both a reaction to the floods taking
>place and the fact that Frog-Admins newsserver hurt e.g. my free speech
>rights.
><http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...t%40192.168.0.4>
Well, it's FA's newsserver and he can do with it whatever he
pleases. In other words, you don't have any rights/privileges
on any given server if the owner doesn't (want to) offer them
to you (or withdraws them).
Also bear in mind that you're still able to post and be seen by
others.
Conclusion:
Frog-Admin's newsserver does _not_ hurt your free speech rights.
[snip]
*** emperor
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:48:15 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
Message-Id: <20041213094815.F12D3FEACA@snorky.bananasplit.info>:
> Conclusion:
> Frog-Admin's newsserver does _not_ hurt your free speech rights.
Hi Emperor,
You're right, a news servers' filter doesn't damage a persons right to
free speech. However, in the instance in question, it was a combination
of news server and mail2news gateway, and that was to some extent a bad
thing.
If you remail a message with a Post directive then the way by which the
message finds its way to Usenet is defined by the exit-remailer. (As
opposed to the To: mail2news@foo.net, Newsgroups: alt.bar method that
some prefer.)
At the time Thomas is referring to, Frog Remailer defined Frog Mail2News
as its exit method, and Frog Mail2News posted to Frog News server. In
other words, anything that exited from Frog Remailer had to pass through
the news filters before it reached Usenet. In effect, messages were
filtered at source. Thomas' name was defined in Frog's filters,
therefore any remailer that was selected as Exit and defined Frog's
Mail2News as its posting method would result in his messages being
dropped.
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| emperor 2004-12-16, 6:21 pm |
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In article <cpjv3h$8us$1@snorky.bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:48:15 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
>Message-Id: <20041213094815.F12D3FEACA@snorky.bananasplit.info>:
>
>
>Hi Emperor,
>You're right, a news servers' filter doesn't damage a persons right to
>free speech. However, in the instance in question, it was a combination
>of news server and mail2news gateway, and that was to some extent a bad
>thing.
I agree. But it's totally irrelevant what you, I or anyone else
thinks about this. As I said, it's FA's service and he is free to
run it however he wishes. If (all/some of) the remops would've
deemed FA's behavior as inappropriate (or even damaging to the
remailer-network itself), they could've given him the RDP.
Considering that FA doesn't run any public services relevant to the
remailer-network anymore, this whole discussion (and Frog-bashing
done by some people) is mood.
[snip]
>At the time Thomas is referring to, Frog Remailer defined Frog Mail2News
>as its exit method, and Frog Mail2News posted to Frog News server. In
>other words, anything that exited from Frog Remailer had to pass through
>the news filters before it reached Usenet. In effect, messages were
>filtered at source.
Not using Frog's services seemed to be a good solution for Thomas. :o)
>Thomas' name was defined in Frog's filters,
>therefore any remailer that was selected as Exit and defined Frog's
>Mail2News as its posting method would result in his messages being
>dropped.
I understand. Since the other remops are also free to run their
services however they wish, they just could've removed Frog's M2N as
(part of) the news posting route if they wanted to. If they didn't,
how exactly was that Frog's fault?
It all comes down to a very easy concept:
1. People wanting to use frog were free to use it.
2. People not wanting to use frog were free to not use it.
3. 1. and 2. applies to remops as well.
Best regards,
*** emperor
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-18, 7:45 am |
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emperor wrote:
| In article <41bc6a04$0$770$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
|
| [snip]
|
|>>The public newsserver was also both a reaction to the floods taking
|>>place and the fact that Frog-Admins newsserver hurt e.g. my free speech
|>>rights.
|>><http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...t%40192.168.0.4>
|
|
| Well, it's FA's newsserver and he can do with it whatever he
| pleases. In other words, you don't have any rights/privileges
| on any given server if the owner doesn't (want to) offer them
| to you (or withdraws them).
But since the newsserver was run in addition to his remailer, the whole
package became sort of corrupt. In effect, Frog-Admin filtered at
*every* level (remailer, m2n, fyo:119). And filtering is bad for a remop
to do.
What I am trying to get through, is that FA made it seem right to filter
at his newsserver, and thus at his remailer (anon users were strongly
encouraged to read from his newsserver where he outed floods
_and_trolls_ as he mentioned in his 'weather report' on a daily basis to
this group).
RProcess (author of the Reliable remailer software and client programs
like JBN2), specifically stated that filters had no place in Reliable
and where not added to Reliable as a functionality for a very good
reason. Namely that if you decide what is free speech and what isn't,
you 1) become a content provider and become liable for any speech that
passes your remailer 2) it is totally in contradiction to the spirit in
which remailers where being developed. Namely to host *unpopular* speech.
I am not saying my speech was unpopular, but I still feel my free speech
rights were curbed since Frog-Admin mainly ran a remailer with
additional services. I really doubt that my posts were more abusive than
most remailer posts which he let through (e.g. racism, sexual
obscenities, death threats, harassment, spam, offers for illegal
software and goods). In this light the 'boschloo'-filters kind of seem
ridiculous to me and it also encouraged our troll (who wished me to be
sexually abused and killed, which he was free to tell the group as far
as I was concerned, to me free speech rights matter a *lot*).
Hope you will reply to this,
Thomas
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| emperor 2004-12-18, 5:45 pm |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:05:32 +0100, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
<nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>emperor wrote:
>| In article <41bc6a04$0$770$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
>| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>|
>| [snip]
>|
>|>>The public newsserver was also both a reaction to the floods taking
>|>>place and the fact that Frog-Admins newsserver hurt e.g. my free speech
>|>>rights.
>|>><http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...t%40192.168.0.4>
>|
>| Well, it's FA's newsserver and he can do with it whatever he
>| pleases. In other words, you don't have any rights/privileges
>| on any given server if the owner doesn't (want to) offer them
>| to you (or withdraws them).
>
>But since the newsserver was run in addition to his remailer, the whole
>package became sort of corrupt.
In your eyes, yes. :o)
>In effect, Frog-Admin filtered at
>*every* level (remailer, m2n, fyo:119). And filtering is bad for a remop
>to do.
As I already replied to Zax: I agree. But that doesn't change the fact
that FA's newsserver did _not_ hurt your free speech rights. <sigh>
>What I am trying to get through, is that FA made it seem right to filter
>at his newsserver,
His newsserver - his right.
>and thus at his remailer
His remailer - his right.
>(anon users were strongly encouraged to read from his newsserver
Yep, "encouraged". Or do you believe FA has psychic powers to force
people into using his newsserver?
>where he outed floods
>_and_trolls_ as he mentioned in his 'weather report' on a daily basis to
>this group).
Must've been sum very EVUL "weather reports". <s>
>RProcess (author of the Reliable remailer software and client programs
>like JBN2), specifically stated that filters had no place in Reliable
>and where not added to Reliable as a functionality for a very good
>reason. Namely that if you decide what is free speech and what isn't,
>you 1) become a content provider and become liable for any speech that
>passes your remailer
Why does this concern you? That's FA's business. He decides if he
wants to get into trouble or not.
>2) it is totally in contradiction to the spirit in which remailers
>where being developed.
You really don't have to explain this to me.
>Namely to host *unpopular* speech.
And "popular" speech ain't welcome? <sniff>
>I am not saying my speech was unpopular, but I still feel my free speech
>rights were curbed
Get over it or it might hurt you. Seriously.
>since Frog-Admin mainly ran a remailer with additional services.
Are you telling me that you lack the self-restraint to actually _not_
use FA's services?
>I really doubt that my posts were more abusive than
>most remailer posts which he let through (e.g. racism, sexual
>obscenities, death threats, harassment, spam, offers for illegal
>software and goods).
T'was his personal choice. His opinion, you know.
>In this light the 'boschloo'-filters kind of seem
>ridiculous to me and it also encouraged our troll (who wished me to be
>sexually abused and killed,
You are very easily torlled, Thomas. That is, if you ain't a t0rl
yourself. o_O
[Creuncf vg'f zr jub vf rnfvyl gbeyyrq.]
>which he was free to tell the group as far
>as I was concerned, to me free speech rights matter a *lot*).
Interesting. However, the right of the owner over his service does not
matter to you, eh? You do happen to know how to spell "hypocrite",
don'tcha?
>Hope you will reply to this,
Why should I? Oh, wait...
>Thomas
*** emperor
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-18, 5:45 pm |
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emperor wrote:
| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:05:32 +0100, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
| <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
|>RProcess (author of the Reliable remailer software and client programs
|>like JBN2), specifically stated that filters had no place in Reliable
|>and where not added to Reliable as a functionality for a very good
|>reason. Namely that if you decide what is free speech and what isn't,
|>you 1) become a content provider and become liable for any speech that
|>passes your remailer
|
|
| Why does this concern you? That's FA's business. He decides if he
| wants to get into trouble or not.
It is everybodies business. If the Frog remailer gets jurisprudence,
another remailer might get sued with that same jurisprudence! One remop
can make the whole bunch of remops look bad! (and FA did a good job at
that I might add, by e.g. targeting abuse addresses of ISP's by forging
those addresses).
|>2) it is totally in contradiction to the spirit in which remailers
|>where being developed.
|
|
| You really don't have to explain this to me.
Good, for a moment you got me worried there..
|>I am not saying my speech was unpopular, but I still feel my free speech
|>rights were curbed
|
|
| Get over it or it might hurt you. Seriously.
I was not hurt, others were. And this group lost a whole lot of newbies
because of the 'Frog-Wars' as Bluejay likes to call it (and these wars
started long before Bluejay ever got here I might add).
|>since Frog-Admin mainly ran a remailer with additional services.
|
|
| Are you telling me that you lack the self-restraint to actually _not_
| use FA's services?
I never used his services. I just say they were bad.
<snip>
| [Creuncf vg'f zr jub vf rnfvyl gbeyyrq.]
Sorry, I don't read ROT13. Guess there is something funny there though..
|>which he was free to tell the group as far
|>as I was concerned, to me free speech rights matter a *lot*).
|
|
| Interesting. However, the right of the owner over his service does not
| matter to you, eh? You do happen to know how to spell "hypocrite",
| don'tcha?
I know the meaning of the word hypocrite and I do know how to spell it
(by using my Thunderbird spell checker ;-).
Hypocrite is if you e.g. promote free speech but you also censor people
using that free speech. Not talking about floods, garbage generators or
BI indexes here..
|>Hope you will reply to this,
|
|
| Why should I? Oh, wait...
I don't like you tone, sorry.
Thomas
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| emperor 2004-12-20, 7:45 am |
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In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>emperor wrote:
>| On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:05:32 +0100, "Thomas J. Boschloo"
>| <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
>|>Namely that if you decide what is free speech and what isn't,
>|>you 1) become a content provider and become liable for any speech that
>|>passes your remailer
>|
>| Why does this concern you? That's FA's business. He decides if he
>| wants to get into trouble or not.
>
>It is everybodies business. If the Frog remailer gets jurisprudence,
>another remailer might get sued with that same jurisprudence!
Only if they also decide what free speech is and is not, which would
be their fault, not FA's.
>One remop can make the whole bunch of remops look bad!
Agreed totally. The problem here is the ignorance of many people
believing every remop must be bad if one/some is/are. They just want
to believe that. :o(
>(and FA did a good job at
>that I might add, by e.g. targeting abuse addresses of ISP's by forging
>those addresses).
Please post proof. I don't support net-abuse, you know.
[snip]
>|>I am not saying my speech was unpopular, but I still feel my free speech
>|>rights were curbed
>|
>| Get over it or it might hurt you. Seriously.
>
>I was not hurt, others were.
If I may ask, how?
>And this group lost a whole lot of newbies
Then those n00bs are not tough enough for Usenet. If they really
cared, they wouldn't have left.
>because of the 'Frog-Wars' as Bluejay likes to call it (and these wars
>started long before Bluejay ever got here I might add).
A war needs at least two parties. It must've been really hard to
just depeer/RDP frog and ignore FA if he really was _that_ bad
(which I don't believe, BTW).
>|>since Frog-Admin mainly ran a remailer with additional services.
>|
>| Are you telling me that you lack the self-restraint to actually _not_
>| use FA's services?
>
>I never used his services. I just say they were bad.
Good. Why do you believe his newsserver hurt your free speech
rights, then?
[snip]
>|>which he was free to tell the group as far
>|>as I was concerned, to me free speech rights matter a *lot*).
>|
>| Interesting. However, the right of the owner over his service does not
>| matter to you, eh? You do happen to know how to spell "hypocrite",
>| don'tcha?
>
>I know the meaning of the word hypocrite and I do know how to spell it
>(by using my Thunderbird spell checker ;-).
:o)
>Hypocrite is if you e.g. promote free speech but you also censor people
>using that free speech.
Depends what FA's intentions were.
>Not talking about floods, garbage generators or BI indexes here..
Of course not.
>|>Hope you will reply to this,
>|
>| Why should I? Oh, wait...
>
>I don't like you tone, sorry.
I don't like your obsession over Frog-Admin, sorry.
*** emperor
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-24, 5:45 pm |
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emperor wrote:
| In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
|>(and FA did a good job at
|>that I might add, by e.g. targeting abuse addresses of ISP's by forging
|>those addresses).
|
|
| Please post proof. I don't support net-abuse, you know.
e.g.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain>
The headers say:
From: Frog2 <abuse@rr.com>
Date: 30 Nov 2001 00:52:39 -0000
Message-ID: <31OGGICA37225.0782291667@frog.gilgamesh.org>
Subject: Re: Reliable Remailer Help ....
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
References: <c7ed0ugjllcfartuioua037abr0b2gaaot@4ax.com>
Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above address.
~ It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail
services.
~ You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP !!!
~ Get information about complaints from the URL below
X-Remailer-Contact: http://www.privacyresources.org/frogadmin/
Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com
Organization: mail2news@dizum.com
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|>|>I am not saying my speech was unpopular, but I still feel my free speech
|>|>rights were curbed
|>|
|>| Get over it or it might hurt you. Seriously.
|>
|>I was not hurt, others were.
|
|
| If I may ask, how?
They suffered from the floods taking place. I think e.g. Doc. Cypher and
Stray Cat left because of it.. Stray Cat once expressed in the groups
that he didn't like the abuse (some of us claimed it was nice cover
traffic and easy to filter). Richard also expressed his disliking of the
floods IIRC.
|>And this group lost a whole lot of newbies
|
|
| Then those n00bs are not tough enough for Usenet. If they really
| cared, they wouldn't have left.
Bluejay is very tough (toughest I have ever seen!), but many don't want
him here in the group. We also need kind people and gentile female
posters. They might have left because of the floods and strong language.
|>|>since Frog-Admin mainly ran a remailer with additional services.
|>|
|>| Are you telling me that you lack the self-restraint to actually _not_
|>| use FA's services?
|>
|>I never used his services. I just say they were bad.
|
|
| Good. Why do you believe his newsserver hurt your free speech
| rights, then?
Because:
1) APA-S was unreadable from your ISPs newsserver because of 700+
messages a day.
2) Frog's newsserver (which he proposed as a solution to the abuse in
this group) was the only alternative aside body filtering APA-S (full
download, even on dailup).
3) Frog-Admin filtered anything that mentioned my name on his news
server. Also discussion about me (like what my 'crimes' were).
To be honest, FA claimed the Boschloo-Filters were his own preferences
and that he read the group using his own newsserver when he was away.
Those are good arguments but I personally think he got a kick out of
being popular and thus silencing me with floods (if indeed it was him
doing this).
| I don't like your obsession over Frog-Admin, sorry.
|
|
| *** emperor
Frog-Admin was a very bad thing for the group and remailers in general.
Even if he was not the abuser, he did things like filtering on keywords
which very much was frowned upon in the far past here in APA-S.
Regards & thanks for listening,
Thomas
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-24, 5:45 pm |
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Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
| emperor wrote:
| | In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
| | "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
|
| |>(and FA did a good job at
| |>that I might add, by e.g. targeting abuse addresses of ISP's by forging
| |>those addresses).
| |
| |
| | Please post proof. I don't support net-abuse, you know.
|
| e.g.
|
<http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain>
This also documents my case well, it is signed by Frog-Admin himself and
he basically says he will use abuse@rr.com on every outgoing remailer
message...
http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain
Hi,
Thomas
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| QuickSilver 2004-12-24, 5:45 pm |
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In article <20041220095611.34D74FE832@snorky.bananasplit.info>
emperor <emperor@the.empire> wrote:
>
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>
> In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Only if they also decide what free speech is and is not, which would
> be their fault, not FA's.
>
>
> Agreed totally. The problem here is the ignorance of many people
> believing every remop must be bad if one/some is/are. They just want
> to believe that. :o(
>
>
> Please post proof. I don't support net-abuse, you know.
>
> [snip]
>
>
> If I may ask, how?
>
>
> Then those n00bs are not tough enough for Usenet. If they really
> cared, they wouldn't have left.
>
>
> A war needs at least two parties. It must've been really hard to
> just depeer/RDP frog and ignore FA if he really was _that_ bad
> (which I don't believe, BTW).
>
>
> Good. Why do you believe his newsserver hurt your free speech
> rights, then?
>
> [snip]
>
>
> :o)
>
>
> Depends what FA's intentions were.
>
>
> Of course not.
>
>
> I don't like your obsession over Frog-Admin, sorry.
If you were unaware that patrick paris placed the email address of
the employer of an individual he wanted fired in his remailer contact
header--directing abuse reports there, then you are simply too new
here to know what the hell has actually gone on. Thomas and I have
been here for the entire ugly mess--start to finish.
I don't like your tone, sorry.
I don't like your dissing Thomas, sorry. He has provided more
assistance here than you ever will. He speaks from experience and I
have never seen him post a mean spirited article.
If you feel Thomas is obsessive then you will surely feel I am
obsessive as well. Take a look here for 1 of several things I have
had to say regarding patrick paris.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...ilver&lr=&hl=en
Richard
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| anonymous@remailer.hastio.org 2004-12-24, 8:45 pm |
| In article <200412242252.iBOMq1Dh030120@skuz.net>
QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> If you feel Thomas is obsessive then you will surely feel I am
> obsessive as well.
Indeed. You still obsess over Frog.
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| |
| Bluejay 2004-12-25, 2:45 am |
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>From: anonymous@remailer.hastio.org
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Indeed. You still obsess over Frog.
Froggy, I got bad news for you:
"X-No-Archive: Yes" gets you archived for the first 6 days after you
post at the new Google."
Up to your same old games with the same old "enemies," eh,
Froggy/Faggot?
Got'cha, Froggy/Max Mustermann - and I got a lot more than just this.
=======
"He (Michael D. Voight) is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime.
Gary Burnore is a convicted sex offender/child molester and the
biggest kook in the history of the net."
From: Max Mustermann <anonym...@remail.amessage.info> Comments: This
message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was
remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please
report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at
<supp...@mail.amessage.info>. Subject: Re: Sales reps and honesty
Newsgroups: rec.travel.cruises References:
<231220041717370412%fort@his.com.remove.invalid>
<JrKyd.1150890$Gx4.190204@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<vMQyd.2110$5R.322@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> Message-ID:
<d09419973736afc5a71ebd150ef93bd4@remail.amessage.info> Date: Fri, 24
Dec 2004 23:09:00 +0100 Mail-To-News-Contact:
postmas...@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2n...@nym.alias.net Lines:
273
Cisco troll/netkook/pedophile/XXXXXXX Michael Voight "Merry Christmas
<a...@anon.anon>" trolled:
>Wayne Lundberg wrote: > >> I don't think I complained about Security
>
people; I did point out that so >> called Homeland Security were
monitoring children's height as a >> pre-requisite to going down a
slide, and that they enforced the port and >> starboard smoking rules
and that they made sure you did not have a drink in >> the Jacuzzi...
Not complaining, just mentioning it as a fact of life. > >It is NOT a
fact of life.
Unfortunately THIS is:
About rogue cisco employee and netkook/troll/usenet flooder Michael
Voight, alias "Merry Christmas", "I Love YOU", "MyNewServer Comcast",
"anon", "anonymous", "nothilaryduff", "Really Me", "mrtravel",
"mrtravelkay", etc. etc. etc.
Currently posting as Merry Christmas <a...@anon.anon>.
Recently posting as MyNewServer Comcast <Y...@me.xxxx>, I Love YOU
<Ilove...@melovesyoutoo.spamnot>, anon <a...@anon.anon>, anonymous
<anonym...@anon.anon>, nothilaryduff <nothilaryd...@hotmail.com>,
Kathy Stoltz <kathysto...@hotmail.com>, Really Me
<reall...@gmail.com>. See below for a larger list of all his trolling
aliases.
His work e-mail address is <mvoi...@cisco.com>.
Michael D. Voight 111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118 Scotts Valley, CA
95066-4148 (831) 438-2485 mrtra...@sbcglobal.net .
He is pedophile Gary Burnore's partner in crime. Gary Burnore is a
convicted sex offender/child molester and the biggest kook in the
history of the net.
Voight likes to spend his time in the teenage personals newsgroups
trying to pick up underage girls.
The idiot works for cisco in their Scotts Valley, California
Technical Assistance Center (TAC) and apparently they don't keep him
busy enough so he has to troll usenet newsgroups all day long from
work.
***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON
USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***
If you are one of his victims, or are simply fed up with his
trolling/newsgroup flooding, forward his posts to a...@cisco.com .
He works in technical support, so forward them to t...@cisco.com too.
See further below for more cisco contact information.
He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
a...@prodigy.net and a...@sbcglobal.net as well.
His main hangouts (besides the teenage personals newsgroups) are
rec.travel.air and alt.visa.us.marriage-based, a sleazy newsgroup
where foreigners wanting to immigrate to the US hook up with losers
like Voight who are willing to marry them for money so they can get
their green card. Voight is a pro at this, handing out daily advice
on how to be a sleazoid like him and sell green cards.
When he isn't giving out advice on how to commit federal crimes on
alt.visa.us.marriage-based he is usually on rec.travel.air flooding
that newsgroup with trolls and harassing posters and picking retarded
fights with the regular posters there.
He also tends to post a lot in the personals and penpals newsgroups
as well as the support groups for fat people, lonely folks, and for
depression. Obviously after his Russian Internet brides get their
green cards they flee, leaving him lonely and desperate for company.
Maybe that's why he keeps a P.O. Box at the post office, so he can
get his personals mail there:
Voight, Michael P.O. Box 67016, Scotts Valley, CA 95067 (408)
461-8707
The idiot is a two-time high school dropout and had to join the
Marines because even the Army rejected him!
He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other
kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since
they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let cisco know
what kind of deviant sexual pervert they have working for them.
Many people have wondered how cisco ever hired such a psycho. It
cheapens their image and credibility in the corporate world after
all. Well, they didn't hire him directly, he came as baggage when
they acquired the company he used to work for, TGV Software. His
e-mail address there used to be <mvoi...@tgv.com>.
All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him,
so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his
only two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like:
mrtrav <mrt...@mtr.mrt.trm> mrtrav3 <m...@aa.aa> mrraveltay
<mrravel...@me.igpay.atinlay> mrtravelkay <mrtravel...@a.aa>, and
mtravelkay <a...@aaa.aaa> and <""a.a\"@a,a,a>.
Some of his other trolling aliases are: Network Guy
<netwo...@doit.com.no> starrystarrynight
<starrystarryni...@sbcglobal.net> sleepydoc <sleep...@verizon.net>
jlhunt <jlh...@huntbros.com> Lost 5 of 8 <s...@loveme.fun> mrt
<m...@mrt.com> news.sf.sbcglobal.net <n...@none.none> not-nomen
<n...@none.none> UCLAisthebest <uclaistheb...@ucla.edd> David Tanner
<dtanner1...@dtanner.org> Jeff Davies <t...@test.test> BobTheBuilder
<n...@build.me.an.ark> Bill Clarkj <b...@billclarkpresents.com>
nonomen (notno...@notnomen.ed.ca) Really Me <reall...@gmail.com>.
Lately he's had some gender confusion and has been posting as women,
such as: JerseyGirl <jersey99...@hotmail.com> Kathy Stoltz
<kathysto...@hotmail.com> nothilaryduff <nothilaryd...@hotmail.com>
Perhaps he's thinking of getting a sex change (or worse, raping some
teenage girls).
His latest aliases are anon <a...@anon.anon>and anonymous
<anonym...@anon.anon>.
It would be a good idea to call cisco at 1-800-553-2447 and ask to
speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy
that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet
on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT.
Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is
doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They
will LOVE that you brought this to their attention:
Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA
Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters
with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get
as far up as possible.
(408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387
Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in
investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this
XXXXXXX who is wasting company resources:
Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman
Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408)
526-4545 Email: investor-relati...@cisco.com
Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about
this type of stuff:
USA 1 800 553 6387
ic-support...@cisco.com cs-support...@cisco.com
Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are
VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their
employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this XXXXXXX
out of their company:
John Morgridge, Chairman Phone: (408) 526-8229 Fax: (408) 526-4100
morgr...@cisco.com
John Chambers, President, CEO Phone: (408) 526-8222 Fax: (408)
526-4100 chamb...@cisco.com
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Phone:
(408) 526-8211 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: lcar...@cisco.com
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Phone: (408)
527-7371 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: just...@cisco.com
Brad Boston,Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer
Phone: (408) 526-7008 Fax: (408) 526-8220 Email: bbos...@cisco.com
Susan Lori Bostrom Senior Vice President, Internet Business Solutions
Group Phone: (408) 527-5648 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email:
sbost...@cisco.com
Howard S. Charney Senior Vice President, Office of the President
Phone: (408) 526-8300 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: char...@cisco.com
Kate DCamp Senior Vice President, Human Resources Phone: (408)
527-9530 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: kdc...@cisco.com
Gail Morales Manager, Human Resources, Employment Phone: (408)
527-6654 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: gmora...@cisco.com
Peggy Lynch Employee Benefits Phone: (408) 526-8859 Fax: (408)
527-6080 Email: ply...@cisco.com
Mario Mazzola Senior Vice President and Chief Development Officer
Phone: (408) 526-5535 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: mazz...@cisco.com
Betsy Rafael Vice President and Corporate Controller Phone: (408)
525-0164 Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: braf...@cisco.com
Claudia Ceniceros Manager, Public Relations Phone: (408) 525-4700
Fax: (408) 526-4100 Email: cceni...@cisco.com
Write, call, and fax:
Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, California
95134-1706, USA Phone: (408) 526-4000 Fax: (408) 526-4100
(800)553-NETS = (800)553-6387
Have fun!
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| Support 2004-12-25, 5:45 pm |
| In article <Ymx1ZWpheQ==. 89e0eda209a9a11aeb179eca4e06067d@1103963
767.nulluser.com>
"Bluejay" <bluejay-no-spam@cotse.net.invalid> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Froggy, I got bad news for you:
>
> "X-No-Archive: Yes" gets you archived for the first 6 days after you
> post at the new Google."
>
> Up to your same old games with the same old "enemies," eh,
> Froggy/Faggot?
>
> Got'cha, Froggy/Max Mustermann - and I got a lot more than just this.
>
Yawn.
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| emperor 2004-12-27, 5:45 pm |
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In article <41cc4687$0$157$3a628fcd@reader1.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>emperor wrote:
>| In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
>| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>|>(and FA did a good job at
>|>that I might add, by e.g. targeting abuse addresses of ISP's by forging
>|>those addresses).
>|
>| Please post proof. I don't support net-abuse, you know.
>
>e.g.
><http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain>
[snip]
Where is the PGP-sig? You know, frog supported an user provided
"From:"-header. Sorry, but that ain't proof...
[snip]
>|>I was not hurt, others were.
>|
>| If I may ask, how?
>
>They suffered from the floods taking place.
[snip]
I'm sorry. However, it's just your opinion that FA was
<echo>The Flooder</echo>, there is no real proof.
>|>And this group lost a whole lot of newbies
>|
>| Then those n00bs are not tough enough for Usenet. If they really
>| cared, they wouldn't have left.
>
>Bluejay is very tough (toughest I have ever seen!),
You don't come around a lot, do you?
>but many don't want
>him here in the group. We also need kind people and gentile female
>posters. They might have left because of the floods and strong language.
Welcome to Usenet! :o)
[snip]
>|>I never used his services. I just say they were bad.
>|
>| Good. Why do you believe his newsserver hurt your free speech
>| rights, then?
>
>Because:
>1) APA-S was unreadable from your ISPs newsserver because of 700+
>messages a day.
You know my ISP's newsserver?
>2) Frog's newsserver (which he proposed as a solution to the abuse in
>this group) was the only alternative aside body filtering APA-S (full
>download, even on dailup).
And this was FA's fault. OK, I udderstand your logic. <sigh>
>3) Frog-Admin filtered anything that mentioned my name on his news
>server. Also discussion about me (like what my 'crimes' were).
Big deal, eh?
Perhaps FA's filtering prevented you from posting using other
servers and being seen by people reading from other servers?
[snip]
>Frog-Admin was a very bad thing for the group and remailers in general.
>Even if he was not the abuser, he did things like filtering on keywords
>which very much was frowned upon in the far past here in APA-S.
Well, maybe. But then again, don't use his remailer if you don't
like it... sorry, I forgot, "frog" has been closed down for the
general public. <sigh>
>Regards & thanks for listening,
Sure. Even if it doesn't always look like it, I try to be fair.
>Thomas
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
>This also documents my case well, it is signed by Frog-Admin himself and
>he basically says he will use abuse@rr.com on every outgoing remailer
>message...
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain
*** PGP Signature Status: good
*** Signer: Frog-Admin
<sigh>
Oh, well. This happens when you get too much emotional. FA shouldn't
have done that, IMHO.
Thanks for posting real proof.
*** emperor
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QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
[snip]
>If you were unaware that patrick paris placed the email address of
>the employer of an individual he wanted fired in his remailer contact
>header--directing abuse reports there,
Huh? I was aware of that and I don't object.
Let's see...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/POL/
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Yep, FA's contact address.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
In case my abuse address is unreachable:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Let me repeat: "In case my abuse address is unreachable".
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It is because it has been flooded by <mgg@uiuc.edu>,
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The reason why it's unreachable.
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please contact <abuse@uiuc.edu>
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Do I really have to tell you...
>then you are simply too new
>here to know what the hell has actually gone on. Thomas and I have
>been here for the entire ugly mess--start to finish.
Sorry.
>I don't like your tone, sorry.
Touché. :o)
>I don't like your dissing Thomas, sorry.
Moi?
>He has provided more assistance here than you ever will.
Who told you that? Your crystal ball?
>He speaks from experience and I
>have never seen him post a mean spirited article.
>
>If you feel Thomas is obsessive then you will surely feel I am
>obsessive as well.
Do you start new threads raging about Frog-Admin even though he
closed down his services for the general public? Do you start
talking about Frog-Admin in unrelated threads even though he closed
down his services for the general public? If yes, then yes, you are
obsessive. :o)
>Take a look here for 1 of several things I have
>had to say regarding patrick paris.
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group...ilver&lr=&hl=en
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:02:27 -0700 (MST)
FA was still running his services back then, no?
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| Nomen Nescio 2004-12-27, 8:45 pm |
| On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, emperor <emperor@the.empire> wrote:
>In article <200412242252.iBOMq1Dh030120@skuz.net>
>QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Huh? I was aware of that and I don't object.
Thanks for your frank admission that you're a scumbag who
supports flooding innocent people.
>Let's see...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/POL/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Yep, FA's contact address.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> In case my abuse address is unreachable:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Let me repeat: "In case my abuse address is unreachable".
He often claimed his abuse address was unreachable. Despite that
he had no trouble responding to anything he wanted to reply to.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> It is because it has been flooded by <mgg@uiuc.edu>,
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>The reason why it's unreachable.
It was a XXXXing lie, you dumbass.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> please contact <abuse@uiuc.edu>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>Do I really have to tell you...
that you're a goddamn moron? Eat shit, you stupid cocksucker!
| |
| QuickSilver 2004-12-28, 2:45 am |
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Thomas Boschloo devotes a significant amount of time contributing to
most discussions in this newsgroup. I know because I read and I know
he is appreciated by the many kind replies of thanks he receives.
You, on the other hand, have contributed very little. Yet you come
here thinking you will take Thomas to task for opinions and facts he
states. Your 'where is the proof' only prolongs the dialog on this
topic, which you claim you wish stopped, and shows what little
knowledge you possess regarding the history of this group.
I have read these posts you took exception to. Most statements were
presented clearly as opinion and when stating facts the facts were
true. There was no raging or obsession. That distortion was dreamed
up by you. You are the one obsessed. Your admonition that he supply
proof, not only bespeaks your own ignorance but also suggests that
Thomas is a liar. If we have someone to beware of, it is you. You
have clearly supported remailer abuse in this very post.
Who are you to say Thomas should not speak his mind? I and plenty
others, have no problem with it. We are happy to see him taking part
in any way he wishes and we support him. Are you telling us that you
have authority over us? What are you--some net cop? You decree that
discussion can be held prior to this date but not after that date.
Who are you to decide when any particular speech is no longer
acceptable? Who are you to decide ANY speech is not acceptable? You
are clearly out of line. Take your XXXXing net-cop 'do as I demand'
and stuff it.
Thomas has many friends here.
In article <20041227160651.B609CFE840@snorky.bananasplit.info>
emperor <emperor@the.empire> wrote:
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> QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Huh? I was aware of that and I don't object.
>
> Let's see...
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> X-Remailer-Contact: http://80.65.224.85/POL/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Yep, FA's contact address.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> In case my abuse address is unreachable:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Let me repeat: "In case my abuse address is unreachable".
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> It is because it has been flooded by <mgg@uiuc.edu>,
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> The reason why it's unreachable.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> please contact <abuse@uiuc.edu>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Do I really have to tell you...
>
>
> Sorry.
>
>
> Touché. :o)
>
>
> Moi?
>
>
> Who told you that? Your crystal ball?
>
>
> Do you start new threads raging about Frog-Admin even though he
> closed down his services for the general public? Do you start
> talking about Frog-Admin in unrelated threads even though he closed
> down his services for the general public? If yes, then yes, you are
> obsessive. :o)
>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:02:27 -0700 (MST)
>
> FA was still running his services back then, no?
>
>
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quicksilver <at> quicksilvermail.net
http://www.quicksilvermail.net
How many people download QS? http://quicksilvermail.net/ftpusage.html
QS mailing list http://www.quicksilvermail.net/mailman/listinfo/qslist
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QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>Thomas Boschloo devotes a significant amount of time contributing to
>most discussions in this newsgroup. I know because I read and I know
>he is appreciated by the many kind replies of thanks he receives.
What does this have to do with this topic?
>You, on the other hand, have contributed very little.
Tough shit. Does that mean I can't poast in here until I contribute
more? LOL!
>Yet you come
>here thinking you will take Thomas to task for opinions and facts he
>states.
LOL! OK, so I don't have the right to ask around for things other
people state. Noted, thanks. :o)
>Your 'where is the proof' only prolongs the dialog on this
>topic,
Lame. I did not start this. All I asked for was proof for the claims
stated. Or are you saying I should trust everything people write on
Usenet? <g>
>which you claim you wish stopped,
Poast proof. <snicker>
>and shows what little
>knowledge you possess regarding the history of this group.
Your point being?
>I have read these posts you took exception to. Most statements were
>presented clearly as opinion and when stating facts the facts were
>true.
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>place and the fact that Frog-Admins newsserver hurt e.g. my free speech
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Opinion or fact?
>There was no raging or obsession.
Poast proof. <snicker>
>That distortion was dreamed up by you.
Dream on.
>You are the one obsessed.
With what/whom? Back up your claims or apologize.
>Your admonition that he supply proof, not only bespeaks your own
>ignorance
Bwahahahahaaa! I'm ignorant because I ask for proof. Priceless. <s>
>but also suggests that Thomas is a liar.
You read a lot of things into my poasts, don'tcha? Did you do the
same with Frog-Admin? No wonder... <sigh>
>If we have someone to beware of, it is you.
Oh, my. I'm so evul, my poasts are so damm evul. Be afraid, be vewwy
vewwy afraid. Seen some black helicopters lately? ROLF!!!
>You have clearly supported remailer abuse in this very post.
"Clearly" for someone as deluding and paranoid as yourself. <g>
>Who are you to say Thomas should not speak his mind?
Poast proof. <snicker>
>I and plenty others, have no problem with it.
And you have a problem with me speaking my mind? Perhaps I didn't
contribute enough yet to get that right. <eg>
>We are happy to see him taking part in any way he wishes and we support him.
Who's "we"? Are you telling me that you have multiple personalities?
>Are you telling us that you have authority over us?
Who's "us"? Are you telling me that you have multiple personalities?
>What are you--some net cop? You decree that
>discussion can be held prior to this date but not after that date.
Poast proof. <snicker>
>Who are you to decide when any particular speech is no longer acceptable?
Poast proof. <snicker>
>Who are you to decide ANY speech is not acceptable?
Poast proof. <snicker>
>You are clearly out of line.
You are clearly out of line.
>Take your XXXXing net-cop 'do as I demand' and stuff it.
Thanks for providing QuickSilver. I really like it and use it a lot. :o)
Now go and read something I didn't poast into this. <g>
>Thomas has many friends here.
Yep. And this gives him more rights. I'm obsessed, he isn't. All
right. :o)
[snip bottom quote]
Why am I taking a top-poasting XXXXwit serious? Oh, wait, I don't. :o)
*** emperor
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|
|
| Informes 2004-12-29, 2:45 am |
| In article <200412290120.iBT1KmC9092061@skuz.net>
QuickSilver <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
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>
> Well looky here! Look whose mask fell off! What a pussy. I figured
> you'd be a lot harder to crack than that!
>
Yawn.
| |
| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-29, 7:45 am |
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emperor wrote:
| In article <41cc82e9$0$2871$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
|
| [snip]
|
|
|>>This also documents my case well, it is signed by Frog-Admin himself and
|>>he basically says he will use abuse@rr.com on every outgoing remailer
|>>message...
|>>
|>>http://groups.google.com/groups?sel...g&output=gplain
|
|
| *** PGP Signature Status: good
| *** Signer: Frog-Admin
|
| <sigh>
|
| Oh, well. This happens when you get too much emotional. FA shouldn't
| have done that, IMHO.
|
| Thanks for posting real proof.
Your are welcome ;-)
Thomas
- --
The Thraddash: "So, what's this? SNORT! An unknown alien species?"
"How wonderful! Someone new to fight!"
Full Game Win/Mac/Linux: <http://sc2.sourceforge.net>
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| |
| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-29, 7:45 am |
| emperor wrote:
| In article <41cc4687$0$157$3a628fcd@reader1.nntp.hccnet.nl>
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
|
|
|>>emperor wrote:
|>>| In article <41c4771a$0$768$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
|>>| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
|>>|>I was not hurt, others were.
|>>|
|>>| If I may ask, how?
|>>
|>>They suffered from the floods taking place.
|
| [snip]
|
| I'm sorry. However, it's just your opinion that FA was
| <echo>The Flooder</echo>, there is no real proof.
At the chance of breaking the signature again, here is some research by
Bluejay that indicates that Frog-Admin had multiple (anonymous) identities:
Frog screwed up mightily on September 14, 2003.
It has long been known that Frog posts anonymous messages in his own defense in
an effort to show that he has many defenders. During this game-playing on 9/14/03,
he screwed up and signed an anon troll message with his true PGP key.
This latest faux-pas by Frog was caught by someone who checked the signature of the
anon post.
Here are the sequence of events:
The post below started the thread. It is supposedly a beseechment by a Frog user
for all of us to "lay off frog." (I think there is a good chance this was also
posted by Frog in order to setup the second message.)
This series of posts can be found at the following URL:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&...%3D%26as_ugroup
%3D%26as_usubject%3D%26as_uauthors%3D%26
as_umsgid%3D%253C3HYB4M7537878.8809375%40Gilgamesh-frog. org%253E%26lr%3D%26as_drrb%3Dq%26as_qdr%
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y%3D1981%26as_maxd%3D1%26as_maxm%3D10%26
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Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/pe3f
From: tired of the bitching (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
Subject: enough is too much
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Date: 2003-09-14 12:11:13 PST
ok.. i'm sure this will win me the troll of the month award, but i dont
care.
how about everybody lay off of frog and get down to doing something
important... like get another 50 people to decide they're willing to run a
remailer?!?
in care you havent noticed, a network of 45 is pretty tiny and could fall
apart easily.. it really does need to double, preferably triple, in size
and soon at that.
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Here is Frog's great faux pas. He actually signs one of his "anon" troll
posts.
From: Tarapia Tapioco (comesefosse@ntani.firenze.linux.it)
Subject: Re: enough is too much
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Date: 2003-09-14 15:37:22 PST
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, An Metet <anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org> wrote:
>NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.
>No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>On 14 Sep 2003, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (tired of the
>bitching) wrote:
>
>Knock yourself out. Have at it. Let us know when your ready to start taking
>the abuse.
Frog-Admin is taking most of the abuse and he got a thick skin.
Other remops should be safe from cretins like the obnoxious bird.
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What was Frog's excuse when this was caught by someone checking the PGP sig?
From: Frog-Admin (Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header)
Subject: Re: enough is too much
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Date: 2003-09-17 03:29:05 PST
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On 15 Sep 2003, Tarapia Tapioco <comesefosse@ntani.firenze.linux.it> wrote:
>Frog-Admin is taking most of the abuse and he got a thick skin.
>Other remops should be safe from cretins like the obnoxious bird.
Sorry for forgetting the quotes in my PGP-signed message and not mentioning my sources.
"Frog-Admin is taking most of the abuse and he got a thick skin"
is a quote from Farout-Admin (2001/01)
in a mail exchange between me (Frog-Admin), Farout-Admin and ComputerCryptology
Along with this one
"Frog-Admin is a primary target. Probably _the_ target for many
anti-remailer/privacy people. An organized attack, likely. By a TLA or
something, I doubt it. In the troll world, being able to claim "spnak" on
Frog-Admin would be a feather in ones cap. The anti-remailer crowd would
like nothing better than to discredit a very popular remailer and cause
in-fighting between other operators."
"Other remops should be safe from cretins like the obnoxious bird"
is a quote from an anonymous private mail (2001/03)
about the activities of the anti_Frog troll at the time.
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His excuse about leaving out the quote marks was an inept and pathetic
attempt to save himself. Nowhere did he mention why he was using the
antani remailer when posting instead of his own.
He was using antani because he was trolling again - as he has for the
last 4 or more years.
One thing about auto sig files, they will bite you in the butt sooner
or later if you are playing games such as Frog does.
I think the following post sums up the situation quite well.
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http://www.google.com/groups?q=grou...ivacy.at&rnum=2
Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/poyn
From: privacy.at Anonymous Remailer (mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at)
Subject: Re: This is too great! (was: enough is too much)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Date: 2003-09-18 06:11:11 PST
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>On 17 Sep 2003, cjnmj80l@bog.lir.dk (anon@bog.lir.dk) wrote:
>
>After 5 years, you just find out that Frog always PGP-signs his posts.
Frog-Admin, stop trying to weasel out of this by making MORE troll posts
defending yourself.
After 5 years you've been careful NOT to pgp sign troll posts you've made
through other remailers. But this time you screwed up and pgp signed your
troll post made through the Antani remailer.
>Is your first name "RETARD", or were you in jail for the past years?
Is your first name "Frog-Admin", or is this just another troll post you
made through another remailer that you didn't forget to keep UNSIGNED?
Frog-Admin, promoter of EVERYTHING Froggish, you didn't even use your own
remailer for that post. Why? Because you were afraid to troll through your
own remailer, that's why, so you used the Antani remailer instead. But you
XXXXed up and pgp signed the post. You tried to hide behind another
remailer to troll a.p.a-s but this time you REALLY screwed up.
Frog, you've been B_U_S_T_E_D. Nobody believes that line of bullshit you're
trying to feed us about forgetting to "quote" words from an "anonymous
private mail" you said you got more than 2 years ago. I guess you also want
us to forget you didn't use your own remailer like you always do. I guess
you also want us to forget you didn't put your name in the From line like
you always do. Sorry puddle jumper, that will never happen. You tried to
conceal your identity but screwed up, it's as simple as that, and now
you're trying to cover your XXX with more lies and more troll posts.
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Fini For Frog...
Regs,
Thomas
--
The Thraddash: "So, what's this? SNORT! An unknown alien species?"
"How wonderful! Someone new to fight!"
Full Game Win/Mac/Linux: <http://sc2.sourceforge.net>
| |
| Thomas J. Boschloo 2004-12-29, 7:45 am |
| emperor wrote:
<snip>
> Message-ID: <41bc6a04$0$770$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ^^^^
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Opinion or fact?
<snip>
Fact as far as I am concerned. I didn't state he was successful at doing
so, but he sure did try! More-So if FA indeed was the flooder.
>
>
> Who's "we"? Are you telling me that you have multiple personalities?
>
>
>
>
> Who's "us"? Are you telling me that you have multiple personalities?
>
>
>
>
> Poast proof. <snicker>
From: emperor@the.empire
Subject: Re: - Frog aka Max Mustermann & his continuing rage at Burnore
Date: 13-12-2004 18:29
MessageID: <20041213172939.95A7BFEB88@snorky.bananasplit.info>
###########
Considering that FA doesn't run any public services relevant to the
remailer-network anymore, this whole discussion (and Frog-bashing
done by some people) is mood.
###########
<snip>
Thomas
--
The Thraddash: "So, what's this? SNORT! An unknown alien species?"
"How wonderful! Someone new to fight!"
Full Game Win/Mac/Linux: <http://sc2.sourceforge.net>
Path: reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl!master.nntp.hccnet.nl!spool3.nntp.hccnet.nl!transit.nntp.hccnet.nl!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.zanker.org!news.bananasplit.info!news-out.the-empire.inv!the-empire!news03.the-empire.inv!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
From: emperor <emperor@the.empire>
Organization: The Empire
Subject: Re: - Frog aka Max Mustermann & his continuing rage at Burnore
References: <Ymx1ZWpheQ==. 62ecf08b0a5ed9948ad7de8d0fc784bf@1102267
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<Ymx1ZWpheQ==. 54b6ca5761e2ed842b03b47f5d2fe744@1102810
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In article <cpjv3h$8us$1@snorky.bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:48:15 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
>Message-Id: <20041213094815.F12D3FEACA@snorky.bananasplit.info>:
>
>
>Hi Emperor,
>You're right, a news servers' filter doesn't damage a persons right to
>free speech. However, in the instance in question, it was a combination
>of news server and mail2news gateway, and that was to some extent a bad
>thing.
I agree. But it's totally irrelevant what you, I or anyone else
thinks about this. As I said, it's FA's service and he is free to
run it however he wishes. If (all/some of) the remops would've
deemed FA's behavior as inappropriate (or even damaging to the
remailer-network itself), they could've given him the RDP.
Considering that FA doesn't run any public services relevant to the
remailer-network anymore, this whole discussion (and Frog-bashing
done by some people) is mood.
[snip]
>At the time Thomas is referring to, Frog Remailer defined Frog Mail2News
>as its exit method, and Frog Mail2News posted to Frog News server. In
>other words, anything that exited from Frog Remailer had to pass through
>the news filters before it reached Usenet. In effect, messages were
>filtered at source.
Not using Frog's services seemed to be a good solution for Thomas. :o)
>Thomas' n | | |