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| anon@rbtor.net 2005-10-08, 8:45 pm |
| When you gonna fix the broken chain to Dizum?
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| A.Melon 2005-10-09, 2:46 am |
| In article <3VLSYNIR38633.8970717593@remailer>
anon@rbtor.net wrote:
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> When you gonna fix the broken chain to Dizum?
It's not for him to fix.
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| anon@rbtor.net 2005-10-09, 2:46 am |
| On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>In article <3VLSYNIR38633.8970717593@remailer>
>anon@rbtor.net wrote:
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>It's not for him to fix.
Why? I just sent this through rbtor-dingo-dizum-rbtor
Why does it work only 1 way? dizum goes through rbtor
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| Anonymous 2005-10-09, 5:46 pm |
| In article <8SUF9VN238634.0114351852@remailer>
anon@rbtor.net wrote:
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> On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>
> Why? I just sent this through rbtor-dingo-dizum-rbtor
>
> Why does it work only 1 way? dizum goes through rbtor
The admin of rbtor believed that dizum is blocking him because he ran
a Tor node.
This couldn't be further from the truth. I use dizum's mail2news
directly a lot of the time and connect through tor to his mail server.
He does *not* use any tor blacklist.
The problem could be at rbtor's ISP. As dizum probably generates the
most complaints out of any remailer service, his ISP could easily have
dizum's ip on a blacklist.
Unfortunately the admin of rbtor is childish. He posted on the or-talk
mailing list about how he had not only blocked dizum "in retaliation",
but deleted all pending mail going there. He then posted multiple
posts in here trashing the tor project.
So lots of mail lost.
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2005-10-09, 5:46 pm |
| On 9 Oct 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>In article <8SUF9VN238634.0114351852@remailer>
>anon@rbtor.net wrote:
>
>The admin of rbtor believed that dizum is blocking him because he ran
>a Tor node.
How do you know he didn't get on a blacklist and is still on them? He
posted all of the blacklists he was on.
>This couldn't be further from the truth. I use dizum's mail2news
>directly a lot of the time and connect through tor to his mail server.
>He does *not* use any tor blacklist.
Again, he posted the blacklists he was on. There were a lot of them.
>The problem could be at rbtor's ISP. As dizum probably generates the
>most complaints out of any remailer service, his ISP could easily have
>dizum's ip on a blacklist.
Not likely. I can post using the same ISP. It is the biggest ISP in the US.=
>Unfortunately the admin of rbtor is childish. He posted on the or-talk
>mailing list about how he had not only blocked dizum "in retaliation",
>but deleted all pending mail going there. He then posted multiple
>posts in here trashing the tor project.
>
Ovbiusly he does not block Dizum. Just like the other poster said. Mail
from Dizum goes through him, not the other way around.
I followed the thread in both groups, bad tempered maybe, but he got XXXXed=
over bad. When he bitched because he didn't do anything wrong, he was
humiliated here by another remop. Why don't you try doing what he did? He
had the guts to do it. Run a Tor node yourself from a Dynamic IP. See how
fast you get on a blacklist. Easy to criticize him. The other remop said he=
must have a Static IP, one for Tor and one for a re-mailer. Read this:
4.8. I don't have a static IP.
Tor can handle servers with dynamic IPs just fine, as long as the server
itself knows its IP.=20
no-ip.com and dyndns.com are two sites that offers free domain names.=20
Add your domain name to the Address line in the configuration file and the
directory servers will keep track of your server when it gets a new IP.=20
So why XXXXX at him for not having a static IP? The Tor Faq states the
opposite. So where was the other remop getting his information? Re-writing
the rules to operate a Tor node on his own opinion? The other remop was way=
out of line, and wrong.
I can't find warnings about running a Tor node except this mild warning.
Nothing compared to what happened to him: PS, I was going to run one until
I saw what happened to him. He was called stupid here by another remop and
it was his own fault.
So what should I expect if I run a server?
If you run a Tor server that allows exit connections (such as the default
exit policy), it's probably safe to say that you will eventually hear from
somebody. Abuse complaints may come in a variety of forms. For example:=20
Somebody connects to Hotmail, and sends a ransom note to a company. The FBI=
sends you a polite email, you explain that you run a Tor server, and they
say "oh well" and leave you alone. [Port 80]=20
Somebody tries to get you shut down by using Tor to connect to Google
groups and post spam to Usenet, and then sends an angry mail to your ISP
about how you're destroying the world. [Port 80]=20
Somebody connects to an IRC network and makes a nuisance of himself. Your
ISP gets polite mail about how your computer has been compromised; and/or
your computer gets DDoSed. [Port 6667]=20
Somebody uses Tor to download a Vin Diesel movie, and your ISP gets a DMCA
takedown notice. See EFF's Tor DMCA Response Template, which explains to
your ISP why it can probably ignore the notice without any liability.
[Arbitrary ports]=20
You might also find that your Tor server's IP is blocked from accessing
some Internet sites/services. This might happen regardless of your exit
policy, because some groups don't seem to know or care that Tor has exit
policies. (If you have a spare IP not used for other activities, you might
consider running your Tor server on it.) For example,=20
Because of a few cases of anonymous jerks messing with its web pages,
Wikipedia is currently blocking many Tor server IPs from writing (reading
still works). We're talking to Wikipedia about how they might control abuse=
while still providing access to anonymous contributors, who often have hot
news or inside info on a topic but don't want to risk revealing their
identities when publishing it (or don't want to reveal to local observers
that they're accessing Wikipedia). Slashdot is also in the same boat.=20
SORBS is putting some Tor server IPs on their email blacklist as well. They=
do this because they passively detect whether your server connects to
certain IRC networks, and they conclude from this that your server is
capable of spamming. We're working with them to teach them that not all
software works this way. Until then, we recommend you avoid them, and teach=
your friends (if they use them) to avoid them too.=20
He may be a hot head but not childish, he got XXXXed over royally. I would
be a lot more pissed. Getting XXXXed over here for helping others is
bullshit.
I like his service and use it regularly. Know why, get his re-mailer help
file. Read it. I like his disclaimer.
Here it is:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
This file is signed with the re-mailer PGP key to prevent tampering with
the contents. It has been edited by me. The re-mailer key is available by
sending an E-mail to:
remailer@rbtor.net =20
Subject: remailer-key
1.0 Disclaimer:
This re-mailer is operated by me, a private individual. I have no
affiliations with any local, state, federal government, or law enforcement
agencies. By this statement, I am assuring you that I am not in any way
connected with any such agencies. I will not knowingly nor willingly
co-operate with any agency that would corrupt the re-mailer system. In
other words, by this declaration, I am declaring that this re-mailer is not=
in any way affiliated with any law enforcement or governmental agency. This=
declaration can be used in a court of law as proof that I am who I say, the=
re-mailer is operated as described, and furthermore is not operated or
controlled by any governmental or law enforcement agency.=20
Should I ever have reason to become concerned that it is compromised in any=
way, I will do my best to alert everyone by an announcement in APAS.
Unwittingly of course, the re-mailer could get compromised by a hidden key
logger or other means outside of my control. For that I cannot be held
responsible.
Ultimately it is your decision to use or not use this re-mailer.
2.0 My thanks:
I am extending my gratitude to RProcess, who wrote the Reliable re-mailer
and JBN. Reliable is the heart and soul of most Type 1 and Type 2
re-mailers in service today.
The Stray Cat who was a mentor to all of us in our early years learning the=
basics of using re-mailers.
Panta-Rhei, who has collected the modifications to Reliable by others and
added to and improved Reliable and JBN2.
Richard Christman, who has so selflessly devoted his time to authoring
QuickSilver.
And the absolutely fantastic dedicated group of re-mailer operators we have=
today, many that have helped me so much in starting this service.
3.0 Operation of this re-mailer:
I do not believe in tampering with the body of any messages sent through
this re-mailer. I have added disclaimers, but the disclaimers are in the
headers. I don=92t believe I, as a responsible re-mailer operator, should
alter the message content. My intent is to offer a straight through
re-mailer service without any modification of content with the only
exception being the disclaimer as mentioned before in the headers.
To be continued (under construction) hopefully useful links and help.
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| anon@rbtor.net 2005-10-09, 5:46 pm |
| On 9 Oct 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>In article <8SUF9VN238634.0114351852@remailer>
>anon@rbtor.net wrote:
>
>The admin of rbtor believed that dizum is blocking him because he ran
>a Tor node.
How do you know he didn't get on a blacklist and is still on them? He
posted all of the blacklists he was on.
>This couldn't be further from the truth. I use dizum's mail2news
>directly a lot of the time and connect through tor to his mail server.
>He does *not* use any tor blacklist.
Again, he posted the blacklists he was on. There were a lot of them.
>The problem could be at rbtor's ISP. As dizum probably generates the
>most complaints out of any remailer service, his ISP could easily have
>dizum's ip on a blacklist.
Not likely. I can post using the same ISP. It is the biggest ISP in the US.=
>Unfortunately the admin of rbtor is childish. He posted on the or-talk
>mailing list about how he had not only blocked dizum "in retaliation",
>but deleted all pending mail going there. He then posted multiple
>posts in here trashing the tor project.
>
Ovbiusly he does not block Dizum. Just like the other poster said. Mail
from Dizum goes through him, not the other way around.
I followed the thread in both groups, bad tempered maybe, but he got XXXXed=
over bad. When he bitched because he didn't do anything wrong, he was
humiliated here by another remop. Why don't you try doing what he did? He
had the guts to do it. Run a Tor node yourself from a Dynamic IP. See how
fast you get on a blacklist. Easy to criticize him. The other remop said he=
must have a Static IP, one for Tor and one for a re-mailer. Read this:
4.8. I don't have a static IP.
Tor can handle servers with dynamic IPs just fine, as long as the server
itself knows its IP.=20
no-ip.com and dyndns.com are two sites that offers free domain names.=20
Add your domain name to the Address line in the configuration file and the
directory servers will keep track of your server when it gets a new IP.=20
So why XXXXX at him for not having a static IP? The Tor Faq states the
opposite. So where was the other remop getting his information? Re-writing
the rules to operate a Tor node on his own opinion? The other remop was way=
out of line, and wrong.
I can't find warnings about running a Tor node except this mild warning.
Nothing compared to what happened to him: PS, I was going to run one until
I saw what happened to him. He was called stupid here by another remop and
it was his own fault.
So what should I expect if I run a server?
If you run a Tor server that allows exit connections (such as the default
exit policy), it's probably safe to say that you will eventually hear from
somebody. Abuse complaints may come in a variety of forms. For example:=20
Somebody connects to Hotmail, and sends a ransom note to a company. The FBI=
sends you a polite email, you explain that you run a Tor server, and they
say "oh well" and leave you alone. [Port 80]=20
Somebody tries to get you shut down by using Tor to connect to Google
groups and post spam to Usenet, and then sends an angry mail to your ISP
about how you're destroying the world. [Port 80]=20
Somebody connects to an IRC network and makes a nuisance of himself. Your
ISP gets polite mail about how your computer has been compromised; and/or
your computer gets DDoSed. [Port 6667]=20
Somebody uses Tor to download a Vin Diesel movie, and your ISP gets a DMCA
takedown notice. See EFF's Tor DMCA Response Template, which explains to
your ISP why it can probably ignore the notice without any liability.
[Arbitrary ports]=20
You might also find that your Tor server's IP is blocked from accessing
some Internet sites/services. This might happen regardless of your exit
policy, because some groups don't seem to know or care that Tor has exit
policies. (If you have a spare IP not used for other activities, you might
consider running your Tor server on it.) For example,=20
Because of a few cases of anonymous jerks messing with its web pages,
Wikipedia is currently blocking many Tor server IPs from writing (reading
still works). We're talking to Wikipedia about how they might control abuse=
while still providing access to anonymous contributors, who often have hot
news or inside info on a topic but don't want to risk revealing their
identities when publishing it (or don't want to reveal to local observers
that they're accessing Wikipedia). Slashdot is also in the same boat.=20
SORBS is putting some Tor server IPs on their email blacklist as well. They=
do this because they passively detect whether your server connects to
certain IRC networks, and they conclude from this that your server is
capable of spamming. We're working with them to teach them that not all
software works this way. Until then, we recommend you avoid them, and teach=
your friends (if they use them) to avoid them too.=20
He may be a hot head but not childish, he got XXXXed over royally. I would
be a lot more pissed. Getting XXXXed over here for helping others is
bullshit.
I like his service and use it regularly. Know why, get his re-mailer help
file. Read it. I like his disclaimer.
Here it is:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
This file is signed with the re-mailer PGP key to prevent tampering with
the contents. It has been edited by me. The re-mailer key is available by
sending an E-mail to:
remailer@rbtor.net =20
Subject: remailer-key
1.0 Disclaimer:
This re-mailer is operated by me, a private individual. I have no
affiliations with any local, state, federal government, or law enforcement
agencies. By this statement, I am assuring you that I am not in any way
connected with any such agencies. I will not knowingly nor willingly
co-operate with any agency that would corrupt the re-mailer system. In
other words, by this declaration, I am declaring that this re-mailer is not=
in any way affiliated with any law enforcement or governmental agency. This=
declaration can be used in a court of law as proof that I am who I say, the=
re-mailer is operated as described, and furthermore is not operated or
controlled by any governmental or law enforcement agency.=20
Should I ever have reason to become concerned that it is compromised in any=
way, I will do my best to alert everyone by an announcement in APAS.
Unwittingly of course, the re-mailer could get compromised by a hidden key
logger or other means outside of my control. For that I cannot be held
responsible.
Ultimately it is your decision to use or not use this re-mailer.
2.0 My thanks:
I am extending my gratitude to RProcess, who wrote the Reliable re-mailer
and JBN. Reliable is the heart and soul of most Type 1 and Type 2
re-mailers in service today.
The Stray Cat who was a mentor to all of us in our early years learning the=
basics of using re-mailers.
Panta-Rhei, who has collected the modifications to Reliable by others and
added to and improved Reliable and JBN2.
Richard Christman, who has so selflessly devoted his time to authoring
QuickSilver.
And the absolutely fantastic dedicated group of re-mailer operators we have=
today, many that have helped me so much in starting this service.
3.0 Operation of this re-mailer:
I do not believe in tampering with the body of any messages sent through
this re-mailer. I have added disclaimers, but the disclaimers are in the
headers. I don=92t believe I, as a responsible re-mailer operator, should
alter the message content. My intent is to offer a straight through
re-mailer service without any modification of content with the only
exception being the disclaimer as mentioned before in the headers.
To be continued (under construction) hopefully useful links and help.
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| admin@rbtor.net 2005-10-09, 5:46 pm |
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On 9 Oct 2005, anon@rbtor.net wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>
>Why? I just sent this through rbtor-dingo-dizum-rbtor
>
>Why does it work only 1 way? dizum goes through rbtor
I have no blocking enabled. Yes I am hot tempered. Yes I believe in the
freedom of speech. No, I am not in the government or anything else. Yes, I
don't take criticism mildly. Yes, I was horrified to learn my Tor node was
being misused because I thought I was helping by sharing bandwidth. It
slowed down my computer to a point it annoyed my kids and wife. Yes, I was
naive about the possibility of it being mis-used. No, I am not an Internet
Junkie. No, the Internet is a only a very small part of my day to day
activities. No, I m not an expert on networking, my area of expertise is
elsewhere. No, I don't have time to become an expert on the Internet and
the things that can go wrong.
The problem most likely is that I am presently operating from a Dynamic
ISP. Sending directly through Mercury via a Dynamic IP. I would imagine my
IP is blacklisted since I get bounces back from several other service
providers. For example:
aol.com
gmx.de
telia.com
optonline.com
In the case of Dizum, could you possibly imagine what a spammer could do to
his Mail to News Service? While Dizum may not block anything, perhaps his
ISP does.
I am going to move to a Commercial Static IP. I can't do it until next week
when the commercial rep for my area is in the office. Another $50+ a month
just to operate a remailer. Just call me stupid but determined.
Admin rbtor
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