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Pingers/Remops: Lunatic Eelbash at it again
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| >The Eelbash remailer is a last-hop remailer.
>It provides full FROM headers.
>Disclaimers are put into newsgroups as needed.
Oh great, tampering with mail again. XXXX you.
>If all else fails, the newsgroup will be temporarily blocked.
How the hell are we supposed to know if they are blocked?
>The Eelbash remailer allows PLAIN TEXT messages only.
All the easier for you to read them. You perverted XXXXing XXXXXXX.
>Flood filters are in place.
In-Out-In. Make up your XXXXing mind.
You are not a remailer, you are a psycho. Get the XXXX out already.
Pingers, please remove Eelbash from your lists. He has violated every rule
in the book. Eelbash cannot be considered a remailer.
Remops, please block this XXXXXXX. You may be depriving someone of their
right to privacy. He only allows plain text messages for his perverted
viewing pleasure.
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:30:05 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Some very angry and disturbed tripe, below.
>
>
> Oh great, tampering with mail again. XXXX you.
>
> How the hell are we supposed to know if they are blocked?
I'll let you know here.
>
> All the easier for you to read them. You perverted XXXXing XXXXXXX.
Don't talk nonsense; all it means is that html is not allowed, and
binaries are not allowed.
>
> In-Out-In. Make up your XXXXing mind.
Although I have the highest respect for Twisty's corporate legal counsel,
I have more respect for somebody like Zax, who said yesterday that he has
flood filters in his remailer and even added some more.
That's why I put the filters back in.
>
>
> You are not a remailer, you are a psycho. Get the XXXX out already.
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> Pingers, please remove Eelbash from your lists. He has violated every rule
> in the book. Eelbash cannot be considered a remailer.
>
> Remops, please block this XXXXXXX. You may be depriving someone of their
> right to privacy. He only allows plain text messages for his perverted
> viewing pleasure.
You are a sick young fellow (or girl); get help.
A copy of this post is at http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20051108002.
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:22:46 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
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> Eelbash, you are a liar. LIAR.
I misspoke: the remailer will not accept html or binaries, such as .exe
files; it does accept encrypted messages at last hop, as any remailer does.
It also accepts non-pgp-encrypted messages - plain text messages in the
standard form:
::
anon-post-to: some.newsgroup
##
subject: some subject
from: some name
etc.
etc.
By the way, a quick look at capstrings shows that bigapple, george,
hastio, metacolo, panta, senshi, and vger also accept plain text messages.
>
> What it actually means is that messages do not have to be encrypted to be
> accepted.
Correct.
> HTML and binaries ARE accepted, if they are encrypted.
You are talking gibberish. If a message is encrypted, it is not possible
to know if it is html, or a binary, such as a .exe.
>
> Either you are a liar, or so truly incompetent that you honestly don't
> know what PLAIN TEXT accepted actually means. So which is it? Huge liar,
> or painfully incompetent?
Neither. Just an average lover of privacy trying to provide some to other
people, and looking in wonderment at the psychopaths, such as yourself,
that infest this newsgroup.
Again, I urge you to get help. You do not realize how sick you are, though
I am sure everyone else in your neighborhood does.
[vbcol=seagreen]
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>
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A copy of this post is at http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20061108003.
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| On 8 Nov 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
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>Eelbash, you are a liar. LIAR.
>
>What it actually means is that messages do not have to be encrypted to be
>accepted. HTML and binaries ARE accepted, if they are encrypted.
I have not bothered to look at his cap string. Nor will I. But the way he
stated it implies that he will not accept encrypted messages. Only plain
text:
"The Eelbash remailer allows PLAIN TEXT messages only."
Can anyone really feel safe using his re-mailer? I sure as hell don't. Does
he have any clue what he is doing? Do you want to trust your confidential
mail to him?
BTW, twisty was concerned with altering the content of mail, not the issue
of permitting floods. Read his comments again. He has blocked attempted
floods. Freedom of speech does not give one the right to flood. Freedom of
speech does mean that the contents of a message cannot be altered by a
self-appointed censor.
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| anon@comments.header 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
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>Again, I urge you to get help. You do not realize how sick you are, though
>I am sure everyone else in your neighborhood does.
You do realize that you are writing back to several different people don't
you? Are you claiming them all to be sick?
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:20:09 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> On 8 Nov 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> I have not bothered to look at his cap string. Nor will I. But the way he
> stated it implies that he will not accept encrypted messages. Only plain
> text:
>
> "The Eelbash remailer allows PLAIN TEXT messages only."
>
> Can anyone really feel safe using his re-mailer? I sure as hell don't.
> Does he have any clue what he is doing? Do you want to trust your
> confidential mail to him?
7 years running remailers; 30 years programming while also running a
business; 3 years in the army conducting electronic warfare against
the commies. What's not to trust?
>
> BTW, twisty was concerned with altering the content of mail, not the issue
> of permitting floods.
No kidding? I could have sworn he blocked me because I announced I had put
in filters to block floods - nothing about altering the content of mail
Maybe twisty misunderstood what he read. Or did I phrase it confusingly?
Well, here it is again:
Agressive flood filters are in place. If you send too many messages
in too rapid succession to the same email address or newsgroup, some
of them may not make it. Sorry about that, but, the psychos have
been busy and I am sure you will understand the need to keep them
from disrupting newsgroups or preying on individuals
I don't see anything there that talks about altering the content of email,
but that's the notice that twisty reacted to.
> Read his comments again. He has blocked attempted
> floods.
Well done, then.
> Freedom of speech does not give one the right to flood.
Certainly not.
> Freedom of
> speech does mean that the contents of a message cannot be altered by a
> self-appointed censor.
Couldn't agree more. If some [NO WAY]ing censor tries that, he should be
kicked out on his [NICHEVO].
A copy of this post is at http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20051108004
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| Anonymous 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| > Although I have the highest respect for Twisty's corporate legal counsel,
> I have more respect for somebody like Zax, who said yesterday that he has
> flood filters in his remailer and even added some more.
Why don't you use your one remaining brain cell
to read what Zax wrote again.
He installed nntp filters. Those are for his
usenet server.
Banana isn't even an exit remailer! How would
he add filters for the flood on to his remailer
when the flood can't exit from his remailer and
he can't see it from his remailer?!
I guess Einstein was right. Stupidity really is
infinite.
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| Howard 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
>No kidding? I could have sworn he blocked me because I announced I had put
>in filters to block floods - nothing about altering the content of mail
>
>Maybe twisty misunderstood what he read. Or did I phrase it confusingly?
>
>Well, here it is again:
>
>Agressive flood filters are in place. If you send too many messages
>in too rapid succession to the same email address or newsgroup, some
>of them may not make it. Sorry about that, but, the psychos have
>been busy and I am sure you will understand the need to keep them
>from disrupting newsgroups or preying on individuals
>
>
>I don't see anything there that talks about altering the content of email,
>but that's the notice that twisty reacted to.
>
I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
today. Here is what my friend wrote:
"The twisty re-mailer operates as a common carrier. It is a fully legal
service operating under a business class static IP. The ToS for the ISP
permit business class clients to operate their own mail systems as well as
domain hosting.
By operating a re-mailer, I am legally bound to operate as a common
carrier. To maintain my status as a common carrier and avoid potential
legal problems, under the direct advice of my corporate legal counsel, I
cannot nor will not tamper with any messages sent through this re-mailer.
However, I am permitted to block incoming or outgoing IPs or addresses to
prevent abuse or flooding, or other re-mailers that may be complicit in
violating the common carrier laws.
Since this re-mailer operates within the USA, it is subject to the
applicable laws for a common carrier.
To avoid potential conflict with these laws, I have no choice but to
source and destination block the Eelbash re-mailer as it may at any time
decide to be in violation of the common carrier laws.
I apologize for the inconvenience, but avoiding a possible legal violation
takes precedence."
As you can plainly see, it was not a concern about flooding or flood
filters. He was concerned about altering of message content. For example
when you started the "civil remailer", you violated your common carrier
status under the US laws.
By adding disclaimers to messages sent to some, but not all newsgroups, you
may find yourself in a position that conflicts with the US laws. In effect,
you are changing the message content by acting as a censor to some groups
but not applying it equally to all. That is his dilemma. As I mentioned
before, he is a close friend. We talked about this last night. On the
advice of others and his counsel, he will not write anything more about it.
I am exempted. I do not operate a remailer and have no intention of doing
so.
My suggestions are simple, if you alter message content, you can be in
trouble. If you add lines to some messages, but not all, you are acting as
a censor and can be in violation of certain aspects of the law. If you add
a universal disclaimer to the message body that is added to all messages,
you are OK. Blocking floods is OK. Blocking harrassment mail is OK.
The biggest problem is selectively adding additional comments. That in
effect makes you a censor. Take that into consideration please for your own
well being.
Howard M.
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| George Orwell 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| In article <pan.2005.11.08.18.01.09.668123@eelbash.yi.org>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> Although I have the highest respect for Twisty's corporate legal counsel,
> I have more respect for somebody like Zax, who said yesterday that he has
> flood filters in his remailer and even added some more.
>
> That's why I put the filters back in.
Here you go twisting the truth again to hear what it is you want to
hear.
Zax did *not* say that he had put flood filters in his remailer and
added some more.
What Zax said was that his private news server, which he offers up to
the public and has nothing to do with his remailer, had some filters
added to kill the flood. That's all.
You heard in your little head that he added filters to his remailer
because that's what you want to hear. He never said that, and he never
did that.
He filters junk out on his *news server*. Not his remailer. Not his
mail2news, but his *news server*. Got it?
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:57:13 +0000, Howard wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
> I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
> today.
Which ones were they? I don't recall seeing any.
> Here is what my friend wrote:
>
> "The twisty re-mailer operates as a common carrier. It is a fully legal
> service operating under a business class static IP. The ToS for the ISP
> permit business class clients to operate their own mail systems as well
> as domain hosting.
>
> By operating a re-mailer, I am legally bound to operate as a common
> carrier. To maintain my status as a common carrier and avoid potential
> legal problems, under the direct advice of my corporate legal counsel, I
> cannot nor will not tamper with any messages sent through this
> re-mailer.
>
> However, I am permitted to block incoming or outgoing IPs or addresses
> to prevent abuse or flooding, or other re-mailers that may be complicit
> in violating the common carrier laws.
>
> Since this re-mailer operates within the USA, it is subject to the
> applicable laws for a common carrier.
>
> To avoid potential conflict with these laws, I have no choice but to
> source and destination block the Eelbash re-mailer as it may at any time
> decide to be in violation of the common carrier laws.
>
> I apologize for the inconvenience, but avoiding a possible legal
> violation takes precedence."
>
> As you can plainly see, it was not a concern about flooding or flood
> filters. He was concerned about altering of message content.
I don't see that, plainly or murkily. Hiis blocking of my remailer was a
direct result of my announcement that I was putting in flood filters.
Not that I care what his reason was. He can block for any reason.
But my announcement a day or two later that I was removing the flood
filters resulted in him unblocking me.
What else can anybody, even a lawyer, conclude but that the block was put
in as a result of the flood filters?
And why the need to keep announcing this legal gobbledygook?
> For example
> when you started the "civil remailer", you violated your common carrier
> status under the US laws.
I've got to tell you, that I have never seen such an irruption of legalese
as I have since Twisty arrived on the scene, and now you.
I have always thought of the remailer system as an informal group of
individuals, who, with little more than a list of the other remailers,
could independently work to provide an effective encrypted comm system for
anybody who needed to post anonymously.
Having a lawyer, or whoever you are, come in here to tell us what may
and may not be done is a bit chilling.
I doubt that any of the operators, certainly not me, have the financial
wherewithal to withstand some legal challenge thrown at them.
If the advent of the Twisty Admin and his friend Howard are harbingers of
what is in store for remops, it will mean the end of the remailer system,
at least in the US.
> By adding disclaimers to messages sent to some, but not all newsgroups,
> you may find yourself in a position that conflicts with the US laws. In
> effect, you are changing the message content by acting as a censor to
> some groups but not applying it equally to all. That is his dilemma. As
> I mentioned before, he is a close friend. We talked about this last
> night. On the advice of others and his counsel, he will not write
> anything more about it.
Amazing. A remop who will not even talk about his hobby.
Twisty, old man, if you are reading this, let me say that you seem like a
nice fellow, and your apparently strong interest in preserving privacy is
very welcome in a society where it is daily being shredded.
You appear to be somebody who works a lot with lawyers, while most of us
avoid them like the plague, and simply run our remailers out of our homes,
using whatever common sense and decency we can bring to the job.
This group is supposed to be a forum for an informal peer-to-peer
discussion among remops, as well as a source of information for people
wanting to know about remailers.
If one of the remops refuses to come here because of the 'advice of others
and his counsel', and instead, sends a friend to act as his spokesman,
then there is something very very wrong.
I hope you can see how odd your action appears compared to the way other
remops express themselves here.
If people feel they are walking through a legal minefield whenever they
speak to you, and you are calling your legal counsel and chewing over
every syllable, how do you expect them to act toward you?
The only way I can think of to act, is, with regret, to have nothing to
say to you. In fact, it might be best if you put your block of my remailer
back in place; I am thinking of doing the same with your remailer.
> I am exempted. I do not operate a remailer and have no intention of
> doing so.
>
> My suggestions are simple, if you alter message content, you can be in
> trouble. If you add lines to some messages, but not all, you are acting
> as a censor
Well, I put disclaimers in messages going to certain newsgroups that are
being disrupted; the idea being to discourage the psychopaths from using
the remailer to torment that group. All messages going through the
remailer to such newsgroups have the disclaimer, so maybe that makes it
kosher in a lawyer's eyes, but who knows?
> and can be in violation of certain aspects of the law. if you add a
> universal disclaimer to the message body that is added to all messages,
> you are OK. Blocking floods is OK. Blocking harrassment mail is OK.
>
> The biggest problem is selectively adding additional comments. That in
> effect makes you a censor.
See my comment just above.
>Take that into consideration please for your
> own well being.
Thanks for the free advice.
> Howard M.
A copy of this message is at
http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20051108005
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
| On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:31:40 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
>
> Why don't you use your one remaining brain cell to read what Zax wrote
> again.
>
> He installed nntp filters. Those are for his usenet server.
I stand corrected; but isn't filtering a flood going out through an nntp
server the same, legally, ethically, and morally (what is the
difference between ethics and morals?) as filtering a flood going through
an smtp server?
If Zax thinks filtering a flood through an nntp server is ok, then I still
feel that I can appeal to that example as a justification for filtering a
flood going through my smtp server.
>
> Banana isn't even an exit remailer! How would he add filters for the flood
> on to his remailer when the flood can't exit from his remailer and he
> can't see it from his remailer?!
>
> I guess Einstein was right. Stupidity really is infinite.
A copy of this message is at
http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20051108006
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| nonalt 2005-11-08, 5:57 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:20:09 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>7 years running remailers; 30 years programming while also running a
>business; 3 years in the army conducting electronic warfare against
>the commies. What's not to trust?
YOU. More lies. Whatever happened to the story about running remailers for
15 years, before they even existed. Oh, wait, you were busted and publicly
branded a "LIAR". So now you bump it down to 7 years. Gotcha.
30 years programming, yeah, right. I know for a fact where you got the base
VB module you've been dicking around with. Care to share with the group,
liar?
Anyone with 1/2 the experience you claim should be able to crank out what
you "borrowed" in about an hour.
<Snip more weasel-worded back pedaling>
>
>
>Couldn't agree more. If some [NO WAY]ing censor tries that, he should be
>kicked out on his [NICHEVO].
>
Oh, aren't you just too cute for words?
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-08, 7:22 pm |
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:30:37 -0800, nonalt wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> YOU. More lies. Whatever happened to the story about running remailers
> for 15 years, before they even existed. Oh, wait, you were busted and
> publicly branded a "LIAR". So now you bump it down to 7 years. Gotcha.
Of course I was lying about running a remailer for 15 years. I have
enough respect for the intelligence of my readers to know that they would
know there were no remailers 15 years ago; I just thought that people
would have enough of a sense of humor to get a laugh out of such a
ludicrous claim.
Even 7 years may be a bit of an exaggeration - there have been so many
remailers it's hard to remember - maybe 7 years - could be; maybe 6 -
something like that anyway.
> 30 years programming, yeah, right. I know for a fact where you got the
> base VB module you've been dicking around with. Care to share with the
> group, liar?
Sure. I programmed COBOL and a little PL-1, and even a touch of Assembler,
for 30 years, along with a couple of scripting languages - nothing like VB
(CLIST and REXX to be exact), taught myself the rudiments of visual basic
in the 1990s, and am still at the rudimentary stage.
I guess I've gone as far as I'll go with it, given my decreasing desire to
become more competent in it, let alone the actuarial tables.
By the way, 30 years ago VB did not exist, though you don't seem to have
known that.
The base VB modules you are talking about, though you don't know you are
talking about them, came from Frog Admin's site. I used them to do the
basic I/O and picked up other things from them.
The base VB module you *think* you are talking about was emailed to me by
the Dingo admin. I glanced at it, and realized it would be more work than
I wanted to do to adapt my rudimentary VB knowledge to the way Dingo admin
had coded his module (his was much superior to my klunky stuff, I might
add), so, other than glancing at it, I never used it, and have long since
discarded it.
Listen, this remailer stuff is just a hobby when you come right down to
it; don't waste your indignation on something so piddly.
I admit that's advice I also need to take on occasion, but it's much more
important for you to accept it.
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| Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 2005-11-09, 2:46 am |
| In article <pan.2005.11.08.22.15.17.549189@eelbash.yi.org>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> I've got to tell you, that I have never seen such an irruption of legalese
> as I have since Twisty arrived on the scene, and now you.
You're the shit-for-brains remop, not Twisty.
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:22:29 +0100 (CET), George Orwell wrote in
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er.it>:
> Zax did *not* say that he had put flood filters in his remailer and
> added some more.
Correct, my remailer does no filtering.
> What Zax said was that his private news server, which he offers up to
> the public and has nothing to do with his remailer, had some filters
> added to kill the flood. That's all.
Correct again. 
Filtering at the news server provides people the opportunity to see a
clean feed. Filtering at the remailer forces everyone to see it. Big
difference.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-09, 7:46 am |
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Eelbash Admin wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:31:40 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I stand corrected; but isn't filtering a flood going out through an nntp
> server the same, legally, ethically, and morally (what is the
> difference between ethics and morals?) as filtering a flood going through
> an smtp server?
It is not.
> If Zax thinks filtering a flood through an nntp server is ok, then I still
> feel that I can appeal to that example as a justification for filtering a
> flood going through my smtp server.
Steve is filtering 'floods' (BI and stuff like that). You are filtering
on keywords.
And to me Steve's news server is just like any other newsserver that
carries remailer messages. People that complain about anonymous messages
have to complain to the last remailer in the chain.
Even Frog-Admin filtered at his news server. I think he also filtered at
his remailer though, but I am not sure. You are a lot worse when it
comes to filtering and distorting message content. I can't decide if you
are a joke or a danger to the remailing community. Do you even feel you
are part of it?
I hope Zax or Twisty will clear up the legal aspects of this filtering.
In any case, the filtering at Zax' news server is automated and not all
groups are monitored. Only APA-S.
I think you should see the news service and remailer service as separate
identities.
Thomas
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-09, 7:46 am |
| On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:20:31 +0100, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
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>
> Eelbash Admin wrote:
>
> It is not.
>
>
> Steve is filtering 'floods' (BI and stuff like that). You are filtering on
> keywords.
I am filtering on floods not keywords.
>
> And to me Steve's news server is just like any other newsserver that
> carries remailer messages. People that complain about anonymous messages
> have to complain to the last remailer in the chain.
>
> Even Frog-Admin filtered at his news server. I think he also filtered at
> his remailer though, but I am not sure. You are a lot worse when it comes
> to filtering and distorting message content. I can't decide if you are a
> joke or a danger to the remailing community. Do you even feel you are part
> of it?
>
> I hope Zax or Twisty will clear up the legal aspects of this filtering. In
> any case, the filtering at Zax' news server is automated and not all
> groups are monitored. Only APA-S.
>
> I think you should see the news service and remailer service as separate
> identities.
>
> Thomas
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| Eelbash Admin 2005-11-09, 7:46 am |
| On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:22:36 +0100, George Orwell wrote:
> In article <pan.2005.11.08.19.42.18.434714@eelbash.yi.org> Eelbash Admin
> <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> Because your remailer is only up a couple of months out of a year, you
> probably only have a year in total ;)
>
>
> Uh, that.
>
>
> Obviously there is some confusion over what filters you are running
> because of your history. How about you just make them public so the
> confusion can be cleared up?
I filter just as I described, on filoods, not keywords. I don't know how
to make it clearer.
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| Anonymous 2005-11-09, 5:47 pm |
| In article <pan.2005.11.09.12.40.58.927295@eelbash.yi.org>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
>
> I am filtering on floods not keywords.
Zax is not blocking any posts from being sent. He is filtering them
from his news server so that people that choose to use him to *read*
news get the clean feed. The messages are of course not deleted,
they're just not on his news server.
No posts being *sent* are being blocked. His news server and his
remailer are completely different things. He is not blocking what
people post by any stretch of the imagination. He is providing a clean
news feed for people that choose to not want to read them.
Please read the message that Zax posted about the difference between
providing a clean feed and remailers filtering stuff out.
<dkshb2$ol1$1@bananasplit.info>
| |
| Anonymous 2005-11-09, 5:47 pm |
| In article <ON39M7SC38664.6647337963@twistycreek.com>
Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Howard) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
> today. Here is what my friend wrote:
Cool it. You are sounding suspiciously like a sock puppet.
| |
| Howard 2005-11-09, 5:47 pm |
| On 9 Nov 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>In article <ON39M7SC38664.6647337963@twistycreek.com>
>Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Howard) wrote:
>
>Cool it. You are sounding suspiciously like a sock puppet.
I caught holy hell last night. My lips are sealed.
Howard M.
| |
| starwars 2005-11-09, 5:47 pm |
| In article <pan.2005.11.09.12.40.58.927295@eelbash.yi.org>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> I am filtering on floods not keywords.
>
How many messages to an address or newsgroup does it take for the filtering
to kick in? Three?
Thanks
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-10, 5:48 pm |
| Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
> Zax is not blocking any posts from being sent. He is filtering them
> from his news server so that people that choose to use him to *read*
> news get the clean feed.
You forget that Zax' mail2news and remailer also post through his news
server.
Now, when Frog-Admin did the same, it was bad. Right?
> The messages are of course not deleted,
> they're just not on his news server.
And they're not going anywhere. In fact, they are deleted.
> No posts being *sent* are being blocked. His news server and his
> remailer are completely different things.
That's not true. Go read some headers.
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| remailer@invalid.com 2005-11-10, 5:48 pm |
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Message-type: plaintext
In <pan.2005.11.09.00.18.14.92934@eelbash.yi.org> Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
snip
>Listen, this remailer stuff is just a hobby when you come right down to
>it; don't waste your indignation on something so piddly.
This above all things has shown that you are not qualified to be a remailer operator.
It is NOT 'just a hobby', nor can it be considered to be
'something so piddly'. It's about freedom of speech and expression, privacy of communications
and the right to not be under the thumb of 'big brother'
If you consider running a remailer to be "just a hobby", then I recommend that
you take up amateur pornography instead. You'll enjoy it more and take a lot
less bitching over it. Not only that, but people will actually be interested in
what you're doing.
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:30:02 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote in
Message-Id: <e71548d39fc10cd96de796fbf4fc98d8@dizum.com>:
> Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>
> You forget that Zax' mail2news and remailer also post through his news
> server.
Banana is Middleman, it doesn't post or mail to anything.
> Now, when Frog-Admin did the same, it was bad. Right?
Yes, Frog was an exit remailer posting to his news service through his
news filters. That's filtering at the source.
> And they're not going anywhere. In fact, they are deleted.
True. If my news server filters a message then it doesn't propagate
that message to its peers. If there are any news servers out there that
rely on me as their soul peer then they need to broaden their scope as
I don't want to be responsible for their content.
>
>
> That's not true. Go read some headers.
If a message has been blocked, how are you reading its headers?
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You forget that Zax' mail2news and remailer also post through his news
> server.
Someone already pointed out that Zax' remailer has middle in the caps.
$remailer{"banana"} = "<mix3@bananasplit.info> mix middle remix inflt50
rhop5 reord klen100";
Since all traffic is mix encrypted, what will Zax filter on? There is no
non pgp-only alternative for mixmaster! And the mixmaster client
software doesn't make the mistake of using Banana as an exit unless you
deliberately mutilate its caps string.
> Now, when Frog-Admin did the same, it was bad. Right?
What Frog-Admin did was filter at his remailer
http://web.archive.org/web/20021207...rash/index.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030219...otatoX_Gen.html
(mod to reliable but not filter in his caps strings as RProcess would
have wanted him to do)
Specifically he filtered on Boschloo, Champerty, Secure Beer, Kenneth
Pangborn, Garry Burnore, Catdog, Average Guy, Evidence Eliminator and
Bluejay (from the message body which is obvious if you look at the
floods from back then or the filters that Zax put on it
http://www.bananasplit.info/filter.html). See for his weekly
announcement of FA's flood/troll free newsserver
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....626242ad44fb95e
I am not saying it was bad. It was the blackest page in remailer
history! I hope you do not repeat the mistakes made by Frog-Admin (for
your own twisted legal reasoning).
Start running a true remailer and you will actually win people over to
using and trusting it.
And if you are really serious about stopping abuse, don't allow custom
from lines,
Thomas
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| Anonymous 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| In article <dl0lk9$h4v$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
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> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:30:02 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote in
> Message-Id: <e71548d39fc10cd96de796fbf4fc98d8@dizum.com>:
>
>
> Banana is Middleman, it doesn't post or mail to anything.
Well, under most circumstances. This was Post:ed through banana. Not sure
if I needed to include hashcash, so I did anyway. Would it Post: to other
groups besides this one?
So I suppose if a person chose to flood some group using banana as an exit,
it could be done.
| |
| Anonymous 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| Anonymous <anonymous@invalid.com> wrote:
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> Well, under most circumstances. This was Post:ed through banana. Not sure
> if I needed to include hashcash, so I did anyway.
GOOD MORNING MONARCHY!
Thank you for reminding Zax about his own remailer configuration.
I was beginning to feel insulted but then B*schl** came around and took me
for Eelbash.
> So I suppose if a person chose to flood some group using banana as an exit,
> it could be done.
Unless they wind up in his filters. Just as I said.
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:29:58 +0000, Anonymous wrote in
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> Well, under most circumstances. This was Post:ed through banana. Not sure
> if I needed to include hashcash, so I did anyway. Would it Post: to other
> groups besides this one?
Yes it would post anywhere and wouldn't require hashcash.
> So I suppose if a person chose to flood some group using banana as an exit,
> it could be done.
This is an example where banana does act as an exit and is subject to
local news filters. Then again, it takes a concious effort on the users
part to hardcode banana as the exit node, it would never be randomly
selected.
I put up the posting service as I felt there was a lack of awareness
within the community that such a method existed within Mixmaster. It
was only intended as an example service and if people would prefer me to
take it down because of the post/filter issue then I'm happy to do so.
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
> Yes it would post anywhere and wouldn't require hashcash.
So you LIED when you wrote:
> Banana is Middleman, it doesn't post or mail to anything.
You are backpedalling faster than SASSAMAN!
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| Anonymous <anonymous@invalid.com> wrote:
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> Well, under most circumstances. This was Post:ed through banana. Not sure
> if I needed to include hashcash, so I did anyway.
GOOD MORNING MONARCHY!
Thank you for reminding Zax about his own remailer configuration.
I was beginning to feel insulted but then B*schl** came around and took me
for Eelbash.
> So I suppose if a person chose to flood some group using banana as an exit,
> it could be done.
Unless they wind up in his filters. Just as I said.
| |
| Anonymous 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
> This is an example where banana does act as an exit and is subject to
> local news filters. Then again, it takes a concious effort on the users
> part to hardcode banana as the exit node, it would never be randomly
> selected.
WRONG AGAIN ZAX!
That's why middlemen remailers randhop messages to exit remailers.
BECAUSE CLIENTS DO CHOOSE MIDDLEMAN REMAILERS RANDOMLY EVEN AS EXIT NODE!
Get a clue!
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| Anonymous 2005-11-10, 8:47 pm |
| Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
> This is an example where banana does act as an exit and is subject to
> local news filters.
> Yes, Frog was an exit remailer posting to his news service through his
> news filters. That's filtering at the source.
BANANA, the non-remailing remailer NOT filtering at the source trough his
NON-FILTERING news filters.
You were LYING Zax and you got CAUGHT! Can you spell AZERTY?
> True. If my news server filters a message then it doesn't propagate
> that message to its peers. If there are any news servers out there that
> rely on me as their soul peer then they need to broaden their scope as
> I don't want to be responsible for their content.
You ARE the sole (not soul) peer for messages exiting from YOUR remailer!
| |
| Anonymous 2005-11-11, 2:47 am |
| In article <dl0qqf$nk1$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
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> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:29:58 +0000, Anonymous wrote in
> Message-Id: <b721149e6ee83bfcf54f850a977c5f11@anon.bananasplit.info>:
>
> Yes it would post anywhere and wouldn't require hashcash.
>
> This is an example where banana does act as an exit and is subject to
> local news filters. Then again, it takes a concious effort on the users
> part to hardcode banana as the exit node, it would never be randomly
> selected.
>
> I put up the posting service as I felt there was a lack of awareness
> within the community that such a method existed within Mixmaster. It
> was only intended as an example service and if people would prefer me to
> take it down because of the post/filter issue then I'm happy to do so.
It's up to you. I don't have a problem with it, in fact it's handy. I'm
sure the preponderance of users respect your judgement on this issue - and
those that don't will wail on you WITH CAPS.
The horror.
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| Anonymous 2005-11-11, 2:47 am |
| In article <dl0qqf$nk1$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> This is an example where banana does act as an exit and is subject to
> local news filters. Then again, it takes a concious effort on the users
> part to hardcode banana as the exit node, it would never be randomly
> selected.
>
> I put up the posting service as I felt there was a lack of awareness
> within the community that such a method existed within Mixmaster. It
> was only intended as an example service and if people would prefer me to
> take it down because of the post/filter issue then I'm happy to do so.
If you're filtering on words and content in the body and are not
willing to stop doing that then maybe it's time to take it down.
Eelbash is constantly attacked because of filtering stuff based on the
content. He does it evilly and you don't, but the principle is the
same.
Either it's okay or not, regardless of why it's done. You seem to be
on the "not" side and so it seems hypocritical to be doing the exact
same thing that you take exception to.
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> That's why middlemen remailers randhop messages to exit remailers.
> BECAUSE CLIENTS DO CHOOSE MIDDLEMAN REMAILERS RANDOMLY EVEN AS EXIT NODE!
Clients never randomly select a Middleman remailer as an exit. Even if
a middleman remailer supports Post, it will still never be randomly
selected.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-11, 7:46 am |
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Anonymous wrote:
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> BANANA, the non-remailing remailer NOT filtering at the source trough his
> NON-FILTERING news filters.
>
> You were LYING Zax and you got CAUGHT! Can you spell AZERTY?
Enjoy your small victory. It is in fact not making Eelbash look any
better. Only Bananasplit slightly worse.
At least it is not a hand-coded mod to the mixmaster software without
the appropriate flags being set at the same time.
You don't have to refrain from using the B-Word anymore. We all know you
read my posts and noone is using Frog's filtered newsfeed anymore. Your
ego is to bloated not to read my posts as they might be about _you_
which is all that matters in this small remailer community. _you_
Thomas
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On 11 Nov 2005 08:20:57 -0000, Anonymous wrote in
Message-Id: <O4K7N6V538667.0978819444@anonymous.poster>:
> If you're filtering on words and content in the body and are not
> willing to stop doing that then maybe it's time to take it down.
Actually Mixmaster messages hardcoded to use Banana as exit are not
subjected to any filters besides EMP at the news server.
If you check out the filters at:
http://www.bananasplit.info/filters.html
if ($hdr{Newsgroups} =~ /alt\.privacy\.anon-server|local\.test/) {
if ($hdr{Organization} =~ /mail2news|^Thrasher/ or
$hdr{Path} =~ /
news\.easynews\.com
| news\.dizum\.com
| news\.demon\.co\.uk
| news-server\.bigpond\.net\.au
| frell\.theremailer\.net
| gradwell\.net
| mail2news
| nym2news
| freedom\.gmsociety\.org/x) {
Messages *posted* through Banana do not match these conditions.
Of course I could be lying about that and posting fake filters, I could
also be a member of the Politburo and the CoS. :-)
When it comes to matters of logging and filtering, users are at the
mercy of the services they elect to use. I take pride in delivering
messages and running good services and that's about all the assurance I
can honestly offer. If I could provide proof of not filtering or
logging, then I would happily do so.
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, remailer@invalid.com wrote:
>In <pan.2005.11.09.00.18.14.92934@eelbash.yi.org> Eelbash Admin
><admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>snip
>
>
>This above all things has shown that you are not qualified to be a
>remailer operator.
>It is NOT 'just a hobby', nor can it be considered to be
>'something so piddly'. It's about freedom of speech and expression,
>privacy of communications
>and the right to not be under the thumb of 'big brother'
>
>If you consider running a remailer to be "just a hobby", then I recommend that
>you take up amateur pornography instead. You'll enjoy it more and take a lot
>less bitching over it. Not only that, but people will actually be
>interested in
>what you're doing.
>
Do you want to bet on that? <G>
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| Tudman Todmorden 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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Big Snip
Banana is not the problem. Neither are any of the others. The problem is
Eelbash wih his constant changes. Every week it is something new. He
couldn't keep his promise of no changes for 30 days.
Don't you just love the garbage he inserted into this message?
Do the other remops consider it a pidilly hobby? I don't think so. They are
serious and dedicated.
Name one other remailer that puts in warnings like the above.
The topic is about the Lunatic Eelbash. Does he fit as a remop?
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| Jeffrey F. Bloss 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| Zax wrote:
> Clients never randomly select a Middleman remailer as an exit. Even if a
> middleman remailer supports Post, it will still never be randomly
> selected.
Not true I think, at least not in practice. A *,*,*,* generated chain
using Mixmaster 3.0b2/Linux in client mode and your stats...
Chain: antani,borked,panta,bigapple
thrasher,antani,cripto,bigapple
thrasher,austria,twisty,bigapple
Chain: kroken,zerofree,thrasher,banana
twisty,starwars,kroken,banana
metacolo,borked,thrasher,banana
Chain: metacolo,dizum,zerofree,george
dizum,dingo,kroken,george
anon,itomix2,daat,george
I suppose this is because you're listed as "middle" in mlist, but
type2/pubring show 'MCNp'. I think Zerofree is the same, but Antani is
exactly the opposite... 'CNm' in type2/pubring but no "middle" in mlist.
There's probably more like this but I didn't take the time to do anything
more that find an example of each. The point is that in practice, middle
remailers, even yours using your own stats, can sometimes be selected as
exit remailers. Unless I'm missing something completely...??
Not that I disagree with your flood filtering policy mind you, it's an
all together separate issue from this part of the discussion as far as I'm
concerned.
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| Anonymous 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| In article <dl2dc2$hdo$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> Actually Mixmaster messages hardcoded to use Banana as exit are not
> subjected to any filters besides EMP at the news server.
>
> Messages *posted* through Banana do not match these conditions.
Because of what was being discussed in this thread, it had sounded
like you were saying posts through banana had filters imposed on their
bodies.
It's good to know that was wrong and they're not filtered at all! I
think Eelbash and his sock puppets are trying to take the attention
away from himself by suggesting others are doing what he does.
I wasn't aware until yesterday that Banana could even post to usenet
at all. It's useful to have another posting route other than mail2news
servers. Does it allow From headers?
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| George Orwell 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| > Banana is not the problem. Neither are any of the others. The problem is
> Eelbash wih his constant changes. Every week it is something new. He
> couldn't keep his promise of no changes for 30 days.
With all these changes, Jeffrey must be a millionaire by now.
Hey Jeffrey, buy me a Mercedes?
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| Anonymous 2005-11-11, 5:48 pm |
| > At least it is not a hand-coded mod to the mixmaster software without
> the appropriate flags being set at the same time.
Oh please, like Eelbash could modify a program like mixmaster that is
written in C. He's barely competent in Visual Basic!
Editing Reliable is about the extent of his capabilities. He doesn't
touch mixmaster. He didn't even know it was a remailer until recently!
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2005-11-11, 8:46 pm |
| In article <dl2dc2$hdo$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> Hash: SHA512
How do you get GnuPG to use SHA512 to sign messages? I can't work
out how to get it to use different hashes and ciphers at all.
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| Jeffrey F. Bloss 2005-11-11, 8:46 pm |
| George Orwell wrote:
>
> With all these changes, Jeffrey must be a millionaire by now.
>
> Hey Jeffrey, buy me a Mercedes?
Here's my E-Gold personal payment link...
http://2566394.e-gold.com/
I swear on my life that as soon as Eelbash Admin steps up to the plate and
starts making good on his promise, I'll apply every single penny towards
the automobile of your choice. :-)
Don't give up your current mode of transportation just yet, OK?
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| On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:20:05 -0700 (MST), Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote in
Message-Id: <e098782b2d70e2e48cb24dd555718f68@pseudo.borked.net>:
> How do you get GnuPG to use SHA512 to sign messages? I can't work
> out how to get it to use different hashes and ciphers at all.
Here's a good article on how to do it:
http://www.schwer.us/journal/2005/0...-and-gnupg-gpg/
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2005-11-12, 7:46 am |
| In article <pan.2005.11.09.12.42.40.124080@eelbash.yi.org>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
>
> I filter just as I described, on filoods, not keywords. I don't know how
> to make it clearer.
>
By posting the filters. If it's a program, then post the source to the
program. If it's a score file for a program that is already available,
post the score file.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-12, 5:46 pm |
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> Oh please, like Eelbash could modify a program like mixmaster that is
> written in C. He's barely competent in Visual Basic!
The analogy of Mixmaster is Reliable here. It is not like Zax ported
Reliable to the nix platform.
> Editing Reliable is about the extent of his capabilities. He doesn't
> touch mixmaster. He didn't even know it was a remailer until recently!
He very probably has all the mods installed that Frog-Admin coded while
he attempted to be a remop.
Thomas
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-12, 5:46 pm |
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Anonymous wrote:
> In article <dl2dc2$hdo$1@bananasplit.info>
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>
>
> Because of what was being discussed in this thread, it had sounded
> like you were saying posts through banana had filters imposed on their
> bodies.
We have not been through this enough to reassure me that Bananasplit is
not (legally) filtering. I ask forgiveness for the term 'slightly worse'
on Bananasplit in a post I made yesterday. Of course I meant 'less good'
or 'slight less perfect'. Zax' newsservice kept this group manageable
for me on dailup while Frog-Admin wreaked havoc.
> It's good to know that was wrong and they're not filtered at all! I
> think Eelbash and his sock puppets are trying to take the attention
> away from himself by suggesting others are doing what he does.
I think that too. But just that there aren't any rules that match
bananasplit doesn't mean it is technically not filtering. It is like
having a spam filter that doesn't catch anything. When e.g. CoS knocks
on Zax' front door with a demand for any 'further' filtering rules,
these rules will also be new compared to before this event. Before you
know it Bananasplit would be the third remailer that filters. I would
hate that to happen because I think Steve gets the job done as a Remop
and as a Newsprovider.
> I wasn't aware until yesterday that Banana could even post to usenet
> at all. It's useful to have another posting route other than mail2news
> servers. Does it allow From headers?
I wasn't aware either.
http://pinger.bananasplit.info/from.html doesn't list it..
Regards,
Thomas
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:37:27 +0100, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote in
Message-Id: <43761a38$0$11077$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>:
> We have not been through this enough to reassure me that Bananasplit is
> not (legally) filtering.
Hi Thomas,
Just to offer some clarification on this point:-
Banana runs filtering software and every single message that hits the
news service is processed by that software. This is true for just about
every news service in the world. Without filtering, Usenet would be a
far bigger mess than it is already.
In most instances, messages are just checked for excessive cross-posting
and excessive multi-posting (EMP). This is fully automated and requires
no intervention on my part. Beyond that are the special filters I write
to keep apa-s readable. None of these apply to messages posted from my
remailer, but they do apply to mail2news messages as these are in
generally the greatest source of apa-s abuse.
> I think that too. But just that there aren't any rules that match
> bananasplit doesn't mean it is technically not filtering.
Technically it is filtering. Every message is processed by some form of
automated filter. With INN I don't think it's even possible to turn
everything off. Even if it were possible, I suspect my peers would soon
desert me if I fed them huge loads of junk. For example, I limit who
can post directly to my news server. That is a form of filtering.
> It is like having a spam filter that doesn't catch anything. When e.g.
> CoS knocks on Zax' front door with a demand for any 'further'
> filtering rules, these rules will also be new compared to before this
> event. Before you know it Bananasplit would be the third remailer that
> filters. I would hate that to happen because I think Steve gets the
> job done as a Remop and as a Newsprovider.
I doubt the CoS can enforce filters on a news service. If they did
somehow manage to do that, then I would shutdown the service.
>
> I wasn't aware either.
> http://pinger.bananasplit.info/from.html doesn't list it..
That's because the From pages only list Exit Remailers. Banana is
Middle but if its hardcoded as Exit, then it will honour messages sent
with a Post directive, (Post, not To: mail2news@foo).
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-11-13, 5:46 pm |
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Zax wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:37:27 +0100, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote in
> Message-Id: <43761a38$0$11077$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>:
<snip>
>
> I doubt the CoS can enforce filters on a news service. If they did
> somehow manage to do that, then I would shutdown the service.
Saddened as I would be by that, I will hold you to that if that time
should come.
Thanks for the clarification on your newsserver status as a filtering
identity and how the newsserver software forces you to also filter on
your remailer traffic (or lose the connection to your peers)
One thing that hasn't come up in this discussion might be the dup
detection that has always been in Mixmaster.
High Regards,
Thomas
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| Anonymous 2005-11-13, 8:46 pm |
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> Before you know it Bananasplit would be the third remailer that filters.
Just curious, who is the second remailer besides eelbash?
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| Anonymous 2005-11-13, 8:46 pm |
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> One thing that hasn't come up in this discussion might be the dup
> detection that has always been in Mixmaster.
As always, you got it nearly right but not quite.
Mixmaster does not have dup detection on its exit. It creates Message-IDs
from a message's MD5 hash. Thus identical messages have identical
Message-IDs. Newsservers do dup detection on Message-IDs.
Mixmaster does dup detection on incoming mixmaster packet IDs to avoid
replay attacks.
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