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Eelbash Admin

2005-11-13, 2:46 am

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The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.

Same stuff as before, except he has now branded my wife's hobby domain as
part of the bogus 'spam'. She is upset, and since I do not want her to
lose the pleasure her hobby gives her, I have shut down the remailer,
effective immediately.

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Anonymous

2005-11-13, 7:46 am

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:

>The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
>complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.

>Same stuff as before, except he has now branded my wife's hobby domain as
>part of the bogus 'spam'. She is upset, and since I do not want her to
>lose the pleasure her hobby gives her, I have shut down the remailer,
>effective immediately.

Good. XXXX off.

Don't come back!

Anonymous

2005-11-13, 5:46 pm

In article <437747d5$0$11074$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
> Eelbash Admin wrote:

Another $30 for Jeremy.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hmm, how about the pleasure your hobby has given us?
> I feel sorry for your wife..
>
> Thomas

He'll be back in less than a month to pleasure you again. It's an
endless cycle.

Any bets on what his new name will be?

Zax

2005-11-13, 5:46 pm

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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500, Eelbash Admin wrote in
Message-Id: <pan.2005.11.13.04.07.42.165447@eelbash.yi.org>:

> The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
> complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.

Sorry to hear that.
Makes you wonder about the mentality of someone who is prepared to spend
time and effort writing lies in order to get somebody else into trouble.
Not to mention the cost to the remailer network as a whole if we start
losing nodes to behaviour like that. So far this year we have lost 14
remailers and gained 3; not a good statistic.

> Same stuff as before, except he has now branded my wife's hobby domain as
> part of the bogus 'spam'. She is upset, and since I do not want her to
> lose the pleasure her hobby gives her, I have shut down the remailer,
> effective immediately.

My sympathies to her too.

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Anonymous

2005-11-13, 5:46 pm

In article <dl86m1$6ko$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500, Eelbash Admin wrote in
> Message-Id: <pan.2005.11.13.04.07.42.165447@eelbash.yi.org>:
>
>
> Sorry to hear that.
> Makes you wonder about the mentality of someone who is prepared to spend
> time and effort writing lies in order to get somebody else into trouble.
> Not to mention the cost to the remailer network as a whole if we start
> losing nodes to behaviour like that. So far this year we have lost 14
> remailers and gained 3; not a good statistic.
>

The man lies through his teeth all the time. What makes you believe
what he says in this post?

Some imaginary guy who calls himself spamhunter manages to get
Eelbash's account cancelled, and yet eelbash.yi.org was working right
up until he posted that message. They would cancel his account
immediately, not wait for him to do it.

It's far more likely that he's shutting down due to lack of use (again)
and came up with an excuse to sound like the victim again. He did this
the last time he shut down. Said that he'd lost his ISP account or
something, and yet he came back up a month later on the same IP with
a different nickname, and on yi.org again too. They would have blocked
his IP address if they'd really cancelled his account.

I really can't believe a word the man says any more. After reading
sock puppet posts where he pretends to be an old lady who thinks that
remailers should filter, I find it impossible to take him seriously.

Former Remop

2005-11-13, 8:46 pm

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:16:15 -0500, George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>
wrote:

> On 13 Nov 2005, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> There is a nutcase that calls himself spamhunter. If I recall he has been
> making trouble for 4 or 5 years.

I didn't realize he has been loose for so long.

> Despite the fact that I would have never used his remailer as an exit, we
> have too few exits as it is.
> Allowing cleartext for an exit remailer is a disaster waiting to happen.
> Eelbash opened himself up to be used as a spam machine by allowing
> cleartext. Maybe that is why he was obsessed with flooding.

What is 'cleartext' in the context of a remailer?

>
> The nutcase spamhunter could have used his remailer to spam everyone and
> everything, then file a complaint. Who the hell knows?
>
> Let's hope the remaining exit remailers don't find themselves in the same
> place. Without the exits, kiss it all goodbye.
>
> Anybody even know how many exits are left? <15 maybe? Whatever, it is
> not a
> lot. With Italy gone, and the recent change of one from exit to middle
> is a
> bad sign IMHO. What will be next, the few reliable nymservers?
>

I admit remailers have a PR problem if they are going to require that the
readers of newsgroups that are flooded or spammed by remailer messages,
have the responsibility to use a sophisticated client like Xnews, and
master its filters.

It's a noble thought that remailers will not filter, but in the real
world, the average reader of a newsgroup is going to use something like
the filters in Outlook Express, and demand that the source of the messages
do something, rather than buy into the idea that he should learn how to do
real filtering.

Once his anger at what remailers are heaping on _his_ newsgroup trickles
up to enough isps, or, God forbid, to politicians, then remailers really
will be in trouble.

anon@comments.header

2005-11-13, 8:46 pm

> He'll be back in less than a month to pleasure you again. It's an
> endless cycle.
>
> Any bets on what his new name will be?

asmodeus?

Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-14, 2:46 am

Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
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>The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
>complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.
>
>Same stuff as before, except he has now branded my wife's hobby domain as
>part of the bogus 'spam'. She is upset, and since I do not want her to
>lose the pleasure her hobby gives her, I have shut down the remailer,
>effective immediately.
>
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Awesome!

emperor

2005-11-14, 7:46 am

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In article <dl86m1$6ko$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500, Eelbash Admin wrote in
>Message-Id: <pan.2005.11.13.04.07.42.165447@eelbash.yi.org>:
>
>
>Sorry to hear that.

Huh? Zax, is that you? You supporting a net-abuser now? I'm shocked.
Do you remember the discussions about Frog-Admin? I don't agree on
everything, but he indeed did things he shouldn't have done. Eelbash
is way worse compared to him. So let's summarize: You're against
Frog-Admin but are siding with Eelbash. Please clarify, thanks.

>Makes you wonder about the mentality of someone who is prepared to spend
>time and effort writing lies in order to get somebody else into trouble.

What's even worse, someone who is prepared to spend time and effort
running a remailer in order to get people and the remailer-network
into trouble.

>Not to mention the cost to the remailer network as a whole if we start
>losing nodes to behaviour like that.

You see "eelbash" as a valuable node?

>So far this year we have lost 14 remailers and gained 3; not a good
>statistic.

I agree.

>
>My sympathies to her too.

You actually believe his drivel? Who'd thunk that.

*** emperor

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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-14, 7:46 am

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Former Remop wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:16:15 -0500, George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it>
> wrote:

>
>
> What is 'cleartext' in the context of a remailer?

The lack of pgponly in:
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Jeffrey F. Bloss

2005-11-14, 5:48 pm

Eelbash Admin wrote:

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> The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
> complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.

No reputable ISP is going to TOS you because some anonymous person is
making unfounded complaints. They generally ignore anonymous complaints to
begin with, and even ones made in the clear will require some sort of
proof or verification.

So unless running a remailer itself is against your TOS or the complaints
have merit, this reeks of fabrication. I have another pretty plausible
theory as to why you suddenly bolted, but it's just that... a theory.

<shrug>

In any case, you could avoid these problems all together if you'd learn to
run a remailer instead of molesting them all the time. Hundreds of Remops
have done exactly that through the years. It's not magic, or rocket
surgery.

By the way, you owe me some money. When can I expect you to make good on
that debt?

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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-14, 5:48 pm

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George Orwell wrote:
> In article <20051114100519.F1001AB0DC@fleegle.bananasplit.info>
> emperor <emperor@the.empire> wrote:
>
>
>
> He is certainly acting differently recently. I was shocked when he
> confessed to filtering remailer messages that go to a mail2news and

It was more like filtering messages that came out of a m2n and went to
his local news server the way I understood it.

> came out in support of Eelbash filtering words in the body of posts.

This of course.. never happened (either)

> I guess they're best friends now. Maybe it's a full moon?

And you are an arse, so what?
Thomas
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Anonymous

2005-11-14, 5:48 pm

In article <dl86m1$6ko$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500, Eelbash Admin wrote in
> Message-Id: <pan.2005.11.13.04.07.42.165447@eelbash.yi.org>:
>
>
> Sorry to hear that.
> Makes you wonder about the mentality of someone who is prepared to spend
> time and effort writing lies in order to get somebody else into trouble.
> Not to mention the cost to the remailer network as a whole if we start
> losing nodes to behaviour like that. So far this year we have lost 14
> remailers and gained 3; not a good statistic.

Ya know, sometimes you should just keep your XXXXing mouth shut. It
has become very hard to respect you.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-14, 5:48 pm

"Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbloss@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote:
> Eelbash Admin wrote:
>
>
>No reputable ISP is going to TOS you because some anonymous person is
>making unfounded complaints. They generally ignore anonymous complaints to
>begin with, and even ones made in the clear will require some sort of
>proof or verification.
>
>So unless running a remailer itself is against your TOS or the complaints
>have merit, this reeks of fabrication. I have another pretty plausible
>theory as to why you suddenly bolted, but it's just that... a theory.
>
><shrug>
>
>In any case, you could avoid these problems all together if you'd learn to
>run a remailer instead of molesting them all the time. Hundreds of Remops
>have done exactly that through the years. It's not magic, or rocket
>surgery.
>
>By the way, you owe me some money. When can I expect you to make good on
>that debt?

Say Jeffy I see you are still harassing the Eelbash admin for having some
intergrity. Typical of the adolescent PUNKS who use remailers.

I also note no more responses to Ken calling youi on your bluff in fl.gen.

Zax

2005-11-14, 5:48 pm

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:05:19 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
Message-Id: <20051114100519.F1001AB0DC@fleegle.bananasplit.info>:

> Huh? Zax, is that you? You supporting a net-abuser now? I'm shocked.

Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
remailer has been it time and again. Despite that I'm certainly not
going to stand back and cheer because some mindless moron has managed to
get him TOS'd by sending abuse complaints to his ISP. I find it hard to
believe an ISP would act in that manner but my response was based on the
principle that what he said was correct.

> Do you remember the discussions about Frog-Admin? I don't agree on
> everything, but he indeed did things he shouldn't have done. Eelbash
> is way worse compared to him. So let's summarize: You're against
> Frog-Admin but are siding with Eelbash. Please clarify, thanks.

I disagree. Eelbash is simply inept at running a remailer. He can't
help but fiddle with the workings of it and coming up with ever
increasingly silly ideas for improving its functionality.

Frog was a whole different creature. He hated the fact that there were
people in the community who knew more about the subject than he did.
His answer was to try to besmirch their characters by posting lies and
hateful messages about them. By the time Frog left, he had already
driven out half the old community and they never came back.

> You see "eelbash" as a valuable node?
Yes, all nodes are valuable. I don't think the remailer should shoulder
the blame for the amateurish methods of its operator. His behaviour and
actions within apa-s were ridiculous but his remailer still processed
messages the same as any other. If you had asked if I valued him as an
exit remailer then I would have replied differently. :-)

> You actually believe his drivel? Who'd thunk that.
I neither believe or disbelieve his posting, I just wrote a response
to what he stated. To get a remailer closed down by such actions is a
cowardly and childish act. Maybe it happened to Eelbash and maybe it
didn't.

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Anonymous

2005-11-14, 8:46 pm

In article <ETX16K5E38670.7185416667@anonymous.poster>
Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> Ya know, sometimes you should just keep your XXXXing mouth shut. It
> has become very hard to respect you.

I think Zax has gone to the Dark Side.

Stephen K. Gielda

2005-11-15, 2:46 am

In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>, fleegle@bananasplit.info
says...
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> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:05:19 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
> Message-Id: <20051114100519.F1001AB0DC@fleegle.bananasplit.info>:
>
>
> Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
> remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
> remailer has been it time and again. Despite that I'm certainly not
> going to stand back and cheer because some mindless moron has managed to
> get him TOS'd by sending abuse complaints to his ISP. I find it hard to
> believe an ISP would act in that manner but my response was based on the
> principle that what he said was correct.

I still think he runs it with an agenda, targeting someone in particular
then running an exit until he gets what he wants. If someone is really
smart and wants to catch a remailer user what you'd do is start up a
bunch of remailers quietly, spreading them out over time, then run one
very visible exit. Make sure your back end remailers remain quiet and
off the visible scene (if you really want cover, also run one very
visible one as a responsible remop), keep all near the top in stats, and
then boldly proclaim a reliable and easy to use exit. Do that and you
may be able to compromise the network to catch who you intend to catch.

I believe this remop used the provider excuse before. If he's indeed
run into this issue (which I'm sure all but middlemen get them,
complaints are a fact of life), it's not the first, nor even second time
for him. He's claimed before to have closed due to complaints. I don't
believe it's the real issue. If it was then he's stupid in continuing
to keep coming back risking his provider each time. This wreaks of some
other agenda. That doesn't mean my postulating above is what he's
doing, just that there is more to it if this is indeed all true and not
just a huge troll.

/steve
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The Right To Privacy
http://www.themissingamendment.org

Anonymous

2005-11-15, 2:46 am

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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>On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:05:19 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
>Message-Id: <20051114100519.F1001AB0DC@fleegle.bananasplit.info>:
>
>
>Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
>remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
>remailer has been it time and again. Despite that I'm certainly not
>going to stand back and cheer because some mindless moron has managed to
>get him TOS'd by sending abuse complaints to his ISP. I find it hard to
>believe an ISP would act in that manner but my response was based on the
>principle that what he said was correct.

Why? He's a huge liar. I have no reason to believe he had any more reason
for taking down his remailer than he did any of the other dozen times. He always
has some moronic excuse for why he XXXXed up his remailer yet again and it is
no more believable this time than the other dozen or so times.

That idiot just can't keep a remailer up for any length of time and when he does
have it up, he's constantly XXXXing with it until he breaks it. All the while he constantly
acts like he knows better than everyone, despite his constant demonstrated
incompetence.

I don't really care whether what he said was true. He's a XXXXing idiot and a
menace, and all his constant comings and goings accomplish are to disrupt
connectivity.

XXXX him! May he XXXX off forever!

Not that we'll be so lucky.

And on top of that, like that turd has a wife. If so she deserves some kind
of dumbest XXXXX on earth award.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-15, 2:46 am

Anonymous

2005-11-15, 2:46 am

In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:05:19 +0000 (GMT), emperor wrote in
> Message-Id: <20051114100519.F1001AB0DC@fleegle.bananasplit.info>:
>
>
> Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
> remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
> remailer has been it time and again. Despite that I'm certainly not
> going to stand back and cheer...

Who the XXXX asked you to?

Anonymous

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

> Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
> remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
> remailer has been it time and again. Despite that I'm certainly not
> going to stand back and cheer

Nobody asked you to cheer. You could have remained silent on the
issue; now it appears as if you support him.

Frell Remailer Admins

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

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emperor wrote:
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> Huh? Zax, is that you? You supporting a net-abuser now?

I'd like to chime in here. Despite risking my agenda of not posting to apas
too often.

It's not about "supporting a net-abuser".
As I see it, it's about a remailer being shut down because of complaints
made against a website that is completely unrelated to the remailer.

Well, mostly unrelated.
IIRC, the IP address of his mailserver resolved to the domain in question
or the domain was otherwise mentioned in the headers of mail exiting from
his remailer. Not a smart move if you ask me. Some complainants will XXXXX
to abuse@ at and about everything that looks like a domain in the headers
or in whois lookups.

These types have been around for aeons. The Internet just brings us all
closer together, remember? Sending a few e-mails requires much less effort
than pestering your local police officers or bunny breeder club president
for hours each day, with the added benefit of not being yelled at.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> You see "eelbash" as a valuable node?

It is in any case a bad sign if we lose remailers due to threats being made
against outsiders who have not been involved in the remailer business at
all.

Even though I would not advise anyone to use eelbash, every remailer in
operation is a valuable node. It is better to be able not to choose a
remailer than not to be able to choose.

To some extent, it's also a remop's choice. I chose not to use eelbash for
random hops but I still keep its keys around to allow messages from users
(or pingers) who decided to use eelbash anyway the same transparent
remixing security as the others. Apply past or future tense as necessary.

The remailer network is a few hundred nodes short. Can't anyone fit
mixmaster into those spambots?

Eelbash's search&replace filters looked to me like desperate attempts at
"doing something" against the complaints about the usual bunch of trolls,
stalkers and plain flooders (eg. our beloved providers of cover traffic) an
exit remailer has to deal with. There's a noble thought somewhere deep down
buried under a heap of blind activism. You'll find it under most of his
experiments, random, short-sighted and stunningly stupid as they have been
carried out. Somehow the magic of his intellectual superiority didn't work,
eh? Whoever used eelbash as exit remailer at that time should have known
what he was doing. It's not like eelbash just popped out of nowhere onto
the scene. At least the local trolls seemed to have fun with the nice toy
he created for them.

The funny thing was, some of his replacements were even more unfriendly
(thin-skinned souls might say offensive) than the words they replaced. I
especially liked the german ones. Forgive me my stereotype but IMO noone
can pronounce VERBOTEN! or NIEMALS! like our friends from accross the pond.

In the middle of a chain, his "flood filters" cannot have been any more
damaging to the remailer network than the various other blackholes in the
system. And again, whoever did not give up to use eelbash after all the
namechanges, knew what he was in for.

For example, Frell increasingly loses mail to riot, antani and others due
to their mail servers blocking IPs for some stupid reason or the other.
Some day my dynamic IP is on one of these blacklists, some other day it
isn't. IIRC, riot only defers mail so it might go through the next day.
Others reject mail right away. Anyway it's only a matter of time until all
of my provider's IP ranges will be on the dialup blocklists and chains
through these remailers and to riot's nymserver finally collapse, not to
mention the trouble such braindead filters create for users. I ranted about
DNS blacklist on the remops list maybe two years ago or so. Could one of
the trolls please be so kind as to repost it?

Starwars sports a broken firewall, dropping packets with the not-so-newly
defined TCP ECN bit set. More mail lost until the sender disables ECN
(Explicit Congestion Notification, RFC 2481, a good thing in theory).
I did. Did you?

There's probably more leakage. These are just two examples I noticed over
time.

Good old freedom used to have strict flood filters on its mail2news, too.
Every new remailer operator had to contact Mike Shinn for a whitelist
entry, with varying response times. I think he answered my request within a
day or two while others waited for weeks. And then my IP address changed.

And while we're at it, did I mention that I *did* find a backup copy of my
remailer config, complete with passphrase, just next to the overwritten
config file? Really, only a short time after I cursed my stupidity and
created new keys. Not something I'm proud of, either.

And yet a high percentage of mails survives a ride through the remailer
network. It must be a miracle.

Btw, eelbash's mininym is/was a useful contribution to the remailer
network. AFAICS. I must admit I never used it. I don't even allocate enough
spare time to read apas on a regular basis, not to mention writing and
testing remailer-related code, so I am in no position to criticize it.
A simple nym exiting only to aam is a valuable addition to the remailer
network, nevertheless. More power to the mininym!

And it's not because of the terrorists. Last time I checked the news,
terrorists used hotmail accounts. Why do we provide strong anonymity if not
even them can be bothered to use remailers? SCNR.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> You actually believe his drivel? Who'd thunk that.

Well, I do, mostly. Fits the picture.
Bias tolerance and paranoia uncertainty estimates apply, of course.

May her website flourish and become an authority on its matter.

There, it was quite some work to locate, think, order, scribble down and
re-think the thoughts I might have or have not about this subject. If you
find any logical breaks in this writing, they may be caused by semantics
that were present in the surrounding thoughts but did not make it into
final syntax. My apologies in advance. I had to throw out a lot of footage
that was unexpressable in human language and still many possible thoughts
have not been thought. Just enough to form an opinion. If you don't like my
opinion, freel free to have your own.

Things left to think about :
a) Not everyone who sends mail to my abuse address is a whiner. Only most
of them.
b) Exit remailers receive less abuse complaints than you'd expect.
Middleman remailers, please consider running an exit node.
c) Why should I care about how other remops run their remailers? That's why
I run my own. This point needs to be differentiated a little more.

On this note, I crawl back to the unnamed and unencrypted yet exquisitely
elitist remailer operators' IRC channel (there, I've mentioned it again!)
where we all have a big party and burn through the users' hashcash on
drinks and poker while CowBot shuffles the roster on who's to play LE Troll
on apas this week and who's to edit his posts to confuse the style police.
Now that's a nice hobby, isn't it? Must run a remailer or be equally
qualified to join. We don't lie down with the lice, you know.

Frell Remailer Admins
remops@remailer.frell.eu.org

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Anonymous

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

In article <MPG.1de32995ff0f1f3b989bc6@news.newsreader.com>
Stephen K Gielda <steve@packetderm.com.bogus> wrote:
>
> I believe this remop used the provider excuse before. If he's indeed
> run into this issue (which I'm sure all but middlemen get them,
> complaints are a fact of life), it's not the first, nor even second time
> for him. He's claimed before to have closed due to complaints. I don't
> believe it's the real issue. If it was then he's stupid in continuing
> to keep coming back risking his provider each time. This wreaks of some
> other agenda.

Not only did he use this provider excuse the last time, but when he
came back he was on *exactly the same IP address* as before. No change
of provider had taken place.

emperor

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

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In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:

[snip]

>Lets be clear, I don't approve of Eelbash's methods of running a
>remailer. If ever there was an example of bad practise, then his
>remailer has been it time and again.

Thanks for your explanation.

>Despite that I'm certainly not
>going to stand back and cheer because some mindless moron has managed to
>get him TOS'd by sending abuse complaints to his ISP.

But you came out supporting Eelbash instead? That is very strange.
Even if what Eelbash wrote is true, his history remains unchanged.
Even now he's again nym-shifting, for instance.
<news:op.sz7f9dpx5k42w1@mepis1>
<news:20051114180028.52499.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If a net-abuser gets TOSed, I certainly would never give him my
sympathies.

>I find it hard to
>believe an ISP would act in that manner but my response was based on the
>principle that what he said was correct.

What "principle"? He almost always lies. If there is a principle at
all, it should be that what he says is incorrect, IMHO.

[snip]

>I disagree. Eelbash is simply inept at running a remailer.

Are you sure? If he really wanted, he could run a working remailer.
But he wants to achieve something else. His behavior is proof enough
for this. But of course, I respect your opinion.

>He can't
>help but fiddle with the workings of it and coming up with ever
>increasingly silly ideas for improving its functionality.

"[NICHEVO]" "[CENSORED]". This is not a _functionality_ improvement
(not even a silly one). It's simply net-abuse (abuse of the
remailer-_network_).

>Frog was a whole different creature. He hated the fact that there were
>people in the community who knew more about the subject than he did.

Yeah, but this is not net-abuse. Using abuse .at. rr as his default
remailer "From:" line is net-abuse (and a TOSable offense).

>His answer was to try to besmirch their characters by posting lies and
>hateful messages about them.

Well, not good. But this is his private problem. I know next to
nothing about this subject, so I can't get an educated opinion.

>By the time Frog left, he had already
>driven out half the old community and they never came back.

That's their problem. They need to be stronger - this is Usenet,
after all. However, I'm sure FA feels proud about his achievement. <g>

[snip]

>Yes, all nodes are valuable.

Even those operated by net-abusers? Why don't you list "eelbash" in
your stats, then? If FA ever returns, will you add his remailer to
your stats?

>I don't think the remailer should shoulder
>the blame for the amateurish methods of its operator.

A remailer is not an entity, Zax. ;o)

>His behaviour and
>actions within apa-s were ridiculous but his remailer still processed
>messages the same as any other.

Uh, no.

>If you had asked if I valued him as an
>exit remailer then I would have replied differently. :-)

"Him"? Besides, where's the difference?

[snip]

>I neither believe or disbelieve his posting, I just wrote a response
>to what he stated.

Which implies that you believe him. If you really have no opinion
about his statements, you wouldn't have responded.

>To get a remailer closed down by such actions is a
>cowardly and childish act.

I don't see reporting net-abusers as cowardly and childish. In fact,
I support this.

>Maybe it happened to Eelbash and maybe it didn't.

I hope it did. Eelbash deserves it, IMHO.

*** emperor

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Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

Stephen K. Gielda

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

In article <dlcdc5$c5d$1@news.theremailer.net>,
remops@remailer.frell.eu.org says...
>
> These types have been around for aeons. The Internet just brings us all
> closer together, remember? Sending a few e-mails requires much less effort
> than pestering your local police officers or bunny breeder club president
> for hours each day, with the added benefit of not being yelled at.
>
>

Yes, but it also a fact of life if you run a public Internet service and
an exit remailer certainly qualifies. You are going to get complaints.
This is not his first time running a remailer, nor is it even the first
time he shut it down supposedly because of complaints. Every remailer
is a valuable node, yes, but I have to question the motives of someone
who has changed names so often and been up and down just as much. It's
beyond being able to be explained by incompetance or ignorance. That
doesn't mean the reason must be malicious, but only that there is
something else going on, perhaps it is just one big troll to yank
people's chains.

/steve
--
The Missing Amendment
The Right To Privacy
http://www.themissingamendment.org

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

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Anonymous wrote:

> And on top of that, like that turd has a wife. If so she deserves some kind
> of dumbest XXXXX on earth award.

Maybe he has other qualities..

...ROTFLMAO!!
<chuckle>
Thomas
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Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-15, 7:49 am

emperor wrote:
> In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:

>
>
> But you came out supporting Eelbash instead? That is very strange.
> Even if what Eelbash wrote is true, his history remains unchanged.
> Even now he's again nym-shifting, for instance.
> <news:op.sz7f9dpx5k42w1@mepis1>
> <news:20051114180028.52499.qmail@web35715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>
> If a net-abuser gets TOSed, I certainly would never give him my
> sympathies.

It is like your greatest enemy dying in a car crash.. together with his
wife, kids and pet who you hold no grudge against.

I support Zax, he is a polite remop with an ability to overcome hatred.
I also think he sees the greater picture here.

In any case: hold your friends close and your enemies even closer
(Michael Corleone)..

Regs,
Thomas
--
Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"

Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-15, 5:49 pm

"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
> It was more like filtering messages that came out of a m2n and went to
> his local news server the way I understood it.

He also confessed that messages using his remailer as the exit
remailer with a post directive would be subject to the filters.

emperor

2005-11-15, 5:49 pm

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In article <4379dd91$0$11069$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:

[snip]

>It is like your greatest enemy dying in a car crash.. together with his
>wife, kids and pet who you hold no grudge against.

Bollox. Eelbash's services went down. What/who else went down along
with them?

>I support Zax,

Me too.

>he is a polite remop with an ability to overcome hatred.

Overcoming hatred doesn't mean sympathizing with those you don't
like (in regard to me not giving Eelbash my sympathies).

>I also think he sees the greater picture here.

If all the net-abusers were allowed to operate, what impact would
that have over the remailer-network, the Usenet or the Internet in
general?

Or, is it OK to report one net-abuser, but not another? Think about
it.

[snip]

*** emperor

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Jeffrey F. Bloss

2005-11-15, 5:49 pm

Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:

>
> It is like your greatest enemy dying in a car crash.. together with his
> wife, kids and pet who you hold no grudge against.
>
> I support Zax, he is a polite remop with an ability to overcome hatred. I
> also think he sees the greater picture here.

I think he's missing it. The remailer network is a creature that's founded
and built on some fairly basic and immutable principals. The notion that
speech should flow freely even if it's offensive is one of them.

The fact that one or two remailers might decide to impress their own
versions of "morality" on system that by it's nature must remain neutral
not only weakens the whole by causing dissension among the ranks, but it
may in fact impose some liability on other Remops, or the network in
general. It could be argued that since Remailer 'A' was able to take steps
to remove offensive or distasteful material, that 'B', 'C', and 'D' are
liable for that same content too.

How many nodes do you suppose we'd have if that were the case, Thomas?

--
_?_ Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
(@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-oOO-(_)--OOo-------------------------------[ Groucho Marx ]--
grok! Registered Linux user #402208

Anonymous

2005-11-15, 5:49 pm

In article <dlcdc5$c5d$1@news.theremailer.net>
Frell Remailer Admins <remops@remailer.frell.eu.org> wrote: A lot of good
stuff!

Please, don't be such a stranger to apas.

Twisty Admin

2005-11-16, 2:46 am

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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.yi.org>
wrote:

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>
>The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
>complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.
>
>Same stuff as before, except he has now branded my wife's hobby domain as
>part of the bogus 'spam'. She is upset, and since I do not want her to
>lose the pleasure her hobby gives her, I have shut down the remailer,
>effective immediately.
>

May I wegh in, no offense to anybody except my pal Howard.

Ok, first let me get one XXXXX off my chest. Howard MacM..... is Scottish.
Heh, heh, he claims there is no such thing as bein Scottish. He claims to
be a Scotsman. Well, my dear friend, you are Scottish (insult). May your
Claymore slice your kilt and a big windy updraft raise up your kilt in the
middle of a crowd. Let them see what's under a "Scottish" kilt.

I was abroad, in Russia last week. I didn't take any chances and removed
all encryption software from my laptop. I was able to Google groups from a
fellow Russian engineers computer for a little while. My friend will still
pay for his big trap.

Yes, I am a history buff. Yes I collect artifacts from the North American
F&I war era. Yes I use metal detectors. Real ones.

I did come out against Eelbash for a reason. In one of the groups I
frequent, there are a couple of people selling "fake, bullshit, false
science, fraudulent" metal detectors. They don't work, period, period,
period. But they have a great sales pitch, molecular frequency detectors
(no such thing) and bilk the innocent out of thousands of dollars for
nothing more than a couple of bent coat hangers that are no more than
dowsing rods.

Someone else, I don't know who (exactly), has continued a campaign to
expose this junk science. I too have pitched in. What set me off last week
against Eelbash was his disclaimer in the message body. When you read the
charlatans message and the reply from a true electronics expert, Eel's
disclaimers made the good guy look stupid. To be frank, that pissed me off.
Having been a metal detecting enthusiast for 30 years and an EE+, I
recognize fraud when I see it.

Now back to the original Eel problem. I too was "busted" for operating a
re-mailer that broke the ToS of my provider. However, they were extremely
polite. They did everything in their power to keep me as a customer and put
me in touch with the commercial account representative. They politely asked
that I shut it down as soon as it was practical for me. No nasty letters,
no threats, just an extremely polite e-mail. I asked them if there were any
complaints and they replied none they were aware of.

I freely admit to not being an Internet expert. But, I am an expert in
other areas of electrical process control as well as the process itself.
Yes, I write software, but none that most people would think of as
software. No VB, C, etc., mostly control block and ladder. for example
pulse multipliers, lead/lag blocks, summers, compute blocks, counters,
timers, extended math functions, etc.

I thank the other remops that have helped me get going. Yes, I am
embarrassed for having been an open relay. This is not my field of
expertise by any means. It is not a hobby, it is dead serious to me. I have
the resources to do it, just not all the knowledge. I promise to do the
best I can within my limited abilities in this area.

In summary, I take the Eel's problems at face value since it happened to
me. I don't agree with his ideas of running a re-mailer. I hold to the old
traditions of re-mailers. They made sense then and do now.

Sometime over the next couple of months, I'll put up a website to show
people my world. It is different.

Regards to all and please forgive me for being long winded,

Twisty Admin

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Anonymous

2005-11-16, 7:48 am

Frell Remailer Admins <remops@remailer.frell.eu.org> wrote:

> I'd like to chime in here. Despite risking my agenda of not posting to apas
> too often.

Zax found a SOCK PUPPET to support him. HOW CUUUTE!

> On this note, I crawl back

UNDER YOUR STONE!

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2005-11-16, 5:48 pm

In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>
> I disagree. Eelbash is simply inept at running a remailer. He can't
> help but fiddle with the workings of it and coming up with ever
> increasingly silly ideas for improving its functionality.

Are you serious? Far from inept, he codes up add-ons for it so he can
do stuff that Reliable rightly wouldn't let him do.

Do you remember the [CENSORED] [BAD WORD] crap he put in people's
postings. You think that was inept?

You think flooding apas was inept?

Anonymous Sender

2005-11-16, 5:48 pm

In article <6f955ad7e76ba54d43ef1047e8dad312@anon.bananasplit.info>
Anonymous <anonymous@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> Frell Remailer Admins <remops@remailer.frell.eu.org> wrote:
>
>
> Zax found a SOCK PUPPET to support him. HOW CUUUTE!

Huh? You didn't happen to verify the sig, I take it. You are a Bozo.

>
> UNDER YOUR STONE!

That sounds very familiar...

Thrasher Remailer

2005-11-17, 5:53 pm

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-18, 7:46 am

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Thrasher Remailer wrote:
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
>
>
> He also confessed that messages using his remailer as the exit
> remailer with a post directive would be subject to the filters.

But the filters are not within the remailer. They are within the news
server software to filter floods that match certain regular expressions
that he has published for review.

If Zax wanted to he could run the two on two different computers to
emphasize this.

Far superior to what Eelbash Admin and Frog-Admin did (filtering with a
modified version of Reliable without 'filter' in the caps string)

hth,
Thomas
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Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-18, 7:46 am

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emperor wrote:
> In article <4379dd91$0$11069$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
> Bollox. Eelbash's services went down. What/who else went down along
> with them?

His wife's domain nearly did?
http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.p...a7099d6163fd6cd
(original message)

>
>
> If all the net-abusers were allowed to operate, what impact would
> that have over the remailer-network, the Usenet or the Internet in
> general?

See original Eelbash post above; Eelbash admin claims it was a bogus
complaint. Zax (perhaps foolishly and prematurely) believed him.

> Or, is it OK to report one net-abuser, but not another? Think about
> it.

Not if it is bogus. That _would_ be very bad for the network. (if it
would work like with Eelbash)

Regards,
Thomas
- --
Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"
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2005-11-18, 7:46 am

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Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:

> How many nodes do you suppose we'd have if that were the case, Thomas?

It seems wrong to artificially impose limits on the software just
because it suits our agenda of free and unrestricted speech. In any
case, Frog-Admin already proved it was possible to filter on keywords
('Boschloo') with a (self-)modified version of Reliable.

I just hope the US Intelligence community also finds a use for remailers
before Al Gore and other 'internet inventors' curb all speech with DMCA

I think that they might be able to fight terrorism with it. They just
need enough HUMINT and translators for this to work IMNSHO

E.g. sending encrypted mail to whitehouse.gov doesn't seem like a good
idea for an infiltrator, but using remailers to 'communicate' with a
secret Al Qaida 'sub cell' might.

hi,
Thomas
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Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"
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emperor

2005-11-18, 7:46 am

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In article <437dab21$0$11068$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:

>emperor wrote:
[snip]
>
>His wife's domain nearly did?
>http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.p...a7099d6163fd6cd
>(original message)

ROTFLMAO!!! Sorry, but here I just have to laugh.

[snip]
>
>See original Eelbash post above; Eelbash admin claims it was a bogus
>complaint. Zax (perhaps foolishly and prematurely) believed him.

Eelbash claims it was a bogus complaint -> ergo it was a valid one
(or none at all).

>
>Not if it is bogus.

Sending bogus complaints is netKKKopping. I'm talking about real
net-abusers.

>That _would_ be very bad for the network. (if it
>would work like with Eelbash)

What worked with Eelbash? He's still posting. He still has his
domains. He's still doing net-abuse.

Try again, Thomas.

*** emperor

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Thrasher Admin

2005-11-18, 5:47 pm

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In article <437dab21$0$11068$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:

[snip]

> See original Eelbash post above; Eelbash admin claims it was a bogus
> complaint. Zax (perhaps foolishly and prematurely) believed him.
>
>
> Not if it is bogus. That _would_ be very bad for the network. (if it
> would work like with Eelbash)

I would tend to believe it happened pretty much as Eelbash Admin
described. It sounds disturbingly familiar to me.

> Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"

Because they are obviously on the right track? ;)

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Cheers,
Thrasher.

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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-20, 5:46 pm

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Thrasher Admin wrote:
> In article <437dab21$0$11068$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
[snip]
>
>
> Because they are obviously on the right track? ;)

The point is that if someone thinks you are crazy, they don't believe
anything you say but attribute that to your 'craziness' instead. That is
a bad situation to be in and causes you not to talk about it. And not to
trust. Thus the expression.

People labeled as mental patients should be addressed with respect and
believe until it can be proven that their statements are not true. Only
then should they get additional medication to make their 'delusions' go
away.

As a very clear example of this: Freud called women who claimed to be
raped by their father 'hysterical'. We have come a long way from there,
but anyone who has been in psychiatry long enough knows what to tell and
what not to tell.

The phrase stolen from Gothika actually is an attempt to regain trust by
the patient!

Kind Regards,
Thomas
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-11-20, 5:46 pm

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Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> In article <dlb67d$619$1@bananasplit.info>
> Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are you serious? Far from inept, he codes up add-ons for it so he can
> do stuff that Reliable rightly wouldn't let him do.
>
> Do you remember the [CENSORED] [BAD WORD] crap he put in people's
> postings. You think that was inept?
>
> You think flooding apas was inept?

Just like beating up an old lady is. Yes.

Thomas
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Alan Qaida

2005-11-26, 5:46 pm

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:07:42 -0500 Eelbash Admin wrote:
>The psychopath who calls himself 'spamhunter' has been lodging bogus
>complaints with yi.org, as well as my isp, about the remailer.
>
>I have shut down the remailer, effective immediately.

I'm gutted. How can me and my bros exchange top-secret
business communiques now with anything like the 110%
confidence of security like we could with eelbash?

Death to spamsphincter and the infidels!!!

Al