Anonymous Servers - The truth about RProcess

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The truth about RProcess

A Friend

2005-02-14, 2:45 am

The truth about RProcess

RProcess was not an individual as most think. It's a code name for a team of
programmers. They produced programs like Potato, JBN1, JBN2, Reliable, and
others. This was done for the NSC, CIA, and FBI. The anonymous community was
grateful for an easy way of secure communications, no more hand rolling and
manual encrypting. They even released the source code, proving how safe their
programs were.(NOT) A group from the UK discovered discrepancies in the
coding. When RProcess was confronted the team was quickly disbanded. This
fact, and that the FBI runs most remailer today put you in great danger.
More to come.

J.Alfred Prufrock

2005-02-14, 5:45 pm

In article <cup3vt$g6a$1@domitilla.aioe.org>
afriend@forprivacy.net (A Friend) wrote:
>
> The truth about RProcess
>
> RProcess was not an individual as most think. It's a code name for a team of
> programmers. They produced programs like Potato, JBN1, JBN2, Reliable, and
> others. This was done for the NSC, CIA, and FBI. The anonymous community was
> grateful for an easy way of secure communications, no more hand rolling and
> manual encrypting. They even released the source code, proving how safe their
> programs were.(NOT) A group from the UK discovered discrepancies in the
> coding. When RProcess was confronted the team was quickly disbanded. This
> fact, and that the FBI runs most remailer today put you in great danger.
> More to come.

This reminds me of the movie "Conspiracy Theory." The
protagonist
made wild allegations that no one took seriously, and most of
them were clearly false and based on no evidence other than
his own twisted mind.

In the movie he got one right, and what a surprise it was. This
insinuation about RProcess, however, is based on nothing but
the peculiar nick chosen by RProcess.

Likewise, the idea of a competent government employee running
remailers in order to compromise the remailer network is
plain old bunk. Even if they could run remailers, they
would still not be able to put it all together. If the
final message is PGP encrypted, and either retrieved
at aam or in another newsgroup, the FBI would have simply
aided and abetted the criminals they should have been
trying to stop. Unless the *entire* remailer network and
all nym servers were run by the government, there could
be no advantage.

Well, that's too much written about this silly matter.

J. A. Prufrock

KanggyeSon

2005-02-14, 5:45 pm

">
> I think it's interesting all these bullshit posts started showing up just
> about the time the quicksilver-support troll, meqsuser, popped his ugly
> head up again.

It is him 4 sure, meqsuser = mefagot troll paid by QS

J.Alfred Prufrock

2005-02-14, 5:45 pm

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-02-20, 5:46 pm

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Thrasher Remailer wrote:
| On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, afriend@forprivacy.net (A Friend) wrote:
|
|>The truth about RProcess
|>
|>RProcess was not an individual as most think. It's a code name for a
team of
|>programmers. They produced programs like Potato, JBN1, JBN2, Reliable,
and
|>others. This was done for the NSC, CIA, and FBI. The anonymous
community was
|>grateful for an easy way of secure communications, no more hand
rolling and
|>manual encrypting. They even released the source code, proving how
safe their
|>programs were.(NOT) A group from the UK discovered discrepancies in the
|>coding. When RProcess was confronted the team was quickly disbanded. This
|>fact, and that the FBI runs most remailer today put you in great danger.
|>More to come.
|
|
| Bullshit. There was never any group from the UK that discovered anything.
| The source code has been examined countless times throughout the years by
| many experts. No holes have ever been found.

Use of the Visual Basic Rnd() function for cryptographic purposes anyone
(e.g. used in Esub)? Stop-and-Go mixes anyone (Reliable)? Two almost
fatal flaws that would have be avoided by a more (cryptographically)
capable development team..

Thomas
- --
"All my life, I've always wondered, What it would be like to fire a
ballistic missile" - Wonderfully colored plastic war toys, The Dead
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-02-20, 5:46 pm

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J.Alfred Prufrock wrote:

<snip>

| Likewise, the idea of a competent government employee running
| remailers in order to compromise the remailer network is
| plain old bunk. Even if they could run remailers, they
| would still not be able to put it all together. If the
| final message is PGP encrypted, and either retrieved
| at aam or in another newsgroup, the FBI would have simply
| aided and abetted the criminals they should have been
| trying to stop. Unless the *entire* remailer network and
| all nym servers were run by the government, there could
| be no advantage.
|
| Well, that's too much written about this silly matter.

It might be silly, but I believe that our intelligence services run
remailers themselves. They do this to protect their own employees and to
track non-government users. All this would be under the supervision of
the US (CIA?).

If the first and the last hop of a remailer message are done through a
government observed remailer, the timing between the first and last hop
will correlate depending on how many hops are in between and their
latent time. Especially Reliable remailer servers will have an average
of their latent-time's latency.

Note that with Mixmaster remailers, you cannot set the latent time
directive. And also remember that Cypherpunk is highly insecure and
replayable like a reply block would.

If the CIA would run half the remailers in the world (or control their
inner working), they could probably pretty much recover the route of all
traffic through the remailer network. Assuming they also control the
first and last hop of the remailer network. By getting good stats and
reliability the last hop can practically be forced and by offering e.g.
TLS the first hop can be forced.

Also remember RProcesses essay on disappearing traffic.. He basically
said that uncontrolled traffic would disappear into the void.
<http://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/rprocess.html>

I think that is enough for now,
Thomas
- --
"All my life, I've always wondered, What it would be like to fire a
ballistic missile" - Wonderfully colored plastic war toys, The Dead
Milkmen
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Anonymous

2005-02-21, 7:45 am

afriend@forprivacy.net wrote:
>The truth about RProcess

<snip>

>More to come.

Yeh? We're waiting ............

Anonymous via Panta Rhei

2005-02-22, 7:45 am

In article <42186ea3$0$772$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>, Thomas J.
Boschloo wrote:
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>
>Thrasher Remailer wrote:
>| On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, afriend@forprivacy.net (A Friend) wrote:
>|
>|>The truth about RProcess
>|>
>|>RProcess was not an individual as most think. It's a code name for a
>team of
>|>programmers. They produced programs like Potato, JBN1, JBN2, Reliable,
>and
>|>others. This was done for the NSC, CIA, and FBI. The anonymous
>community was
>|>grateful for an easy way of secure communications, no more hand
>rolling and
>|>manual encrypting. They even released the source code, proving how
>safe their
>|>programs were.(NOT) A group from the UK discovered discrepancies in the
>|>coding. When RProcess was confronted the team was quickly disbanded. This
>|>fact, and that the FBI runs most remailer today put you in great danger.
>|>More to come.
>|
>|
>| Bullshit. There was never any group from the UK that discovered anything.
>| The source code has been examined countless times throughout the years by
>| many experts. No holes have ever been found.
>
>Use of the Visual Basic Rnd() function for cryptographic purposes anyone
>(e.g. used in Esub)? Stop-and-Go mixes anyone (Reliable)? Two almost
>fatal flaws that would have be avoided by a more (cryptographically)
>capable development team..
>
>Thomas

Panta Admin fixed that, please get off it.

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2005-02-26, 5:45 pm

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Anonymous via Panta Rhei wrote:
> In article <42186ea3$0$772$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>, Thomas J.
> Boschloo wrote:
>
>
>
> Panta Admin fixed that, please get off it.

I was refuting the statement "No holes have ever been found". Just like
QS, JBN2 has had bugs and RProcess is not a godlike cryptographer that
can produce code without errors.

Thomas
- --
"All my life, I've always wondered, What it would be like to fire a
ballistic missile" - Wonderfully colored plastic war toys, The Dead
Milkmen
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Thrasher Remailer

2005-02-26, 5:45 pm

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
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>
>Anonymous via Panta Rhei wrote:
>
>I was refuting the statement "No holes have ever been found". Just like
>QS, JBN2 has had bugs and RProcess is not a godlike cryptographer that
>can produce code without errors.
>

Well pal, we would all be using someone else's software then. What, no one
else put the time and effort into producing an alternate and better version
of software compared to the free JBN and reliable? When are you going to
release your versions of perfectly coded privacy software so we can all
benefit from your immense skills?

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-02-26, 5:45 pm

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Thrasher Remailer wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well pal, we would all be using someone else's software then. What, no one
> else put the time and effort into producing an alternate and better version
> of software compared to the free JBN and reliable? When are you going to
> release your versions of perfectly coded privacy software so we can all
> benefit from your immense skills?

I am neither a Godlike cryptographer. In fact, I coded
<http://home.hccnet.nl/t.j.boschloo/wordcnt/>, which is very small and
simple compared to a program like Mixmaster or Quicksilver, but I also
didn't get it right in one go. E.g. the first versions could read data
from the command prompt that wasn't there. Pretty serious bug if an
attacker could control the input of the command line options.

I also coded <http://home.hccnet.nl/t.j.boschloo/netsafer> which is
about 1kb of machine code and does nothing than circumvent the
(keylogger) protection of another program. Those are cracker skills,
which I *do* have. Coding 1kb of code is easier to do error free than
coding a +1mb bloath or a +200mb Service Pack 2.

Thomas
- --
"All my life, I've always wondered, What it would be like to fire a
ballistic missile" - Wonderfully colored plastic war toys, The Dead
Milkmen
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George Orwell

2005-02-27, 2:45 am

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:

>Those are cracker skills,
>which I *do* have. Coding 1kb of code is easier to do error free than
>coding a +1mb bloath or a +200mb Service Pack 2.
>
>Thomas

Bullshit. The only "skills" you have are the ability to get at least one
thing completely wrong in every post, and the unparalleled ability to
suck-up.

"Isn't that right, Stray Cat? SMOOCH SMOOCH SMOOCH" "Blewjay, where are
you, honey? Tommy misses you" "Don't you love me anymore, Richard? SMOOCH
SMOOCH SUCK SUCK GULP GULP"

You're just disgusting.

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-02-27, 5:45 pm

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George Orwell wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Bullshit. The only "skills" you have are the ability to get at least one
> thing completely wrong in every post, and the unparalleled ability to
> suck-up.
>
> "Isn't that right, Stray Cat? SMOOCH SMOOCH SMOOCH" "Blewjay, where are
> you, honey? Tommy misses you" "Don't you love me anymore, Richard? SMOOCH
> SMOOCH SUCK SUCK GULP GULP"
>
> You're just disgusting.

I'm even nice to you most of the time. I guess that is something you
just cannot handle because of your psychological background.

To quote THHGTTG:
"And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had
been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to
people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in
Rickmansworth suddenly realised what it was that had been going wrong
all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good
and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one
would have to get nailed to anything."

I try to be nice to people for a change, you should too..
Thomas
- --
"All my life, I've always wondered, What it would be like to fire a
ballistic missile" - Wonderfully colored plastic war toys, The Dead
Milkmen
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