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Is Banana Remop Censoring Posts?
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I've experienced some strange anomalies when sending Usenet
posts thru the banana m2n gateway. One post shows up on
Usenet and a 2nd post sent a hour later does not. Both had
the required hashcash headers. The only difference was the
content. Is banana remop filtering on content before sending
posts on? Scanning is obviously taking place to determine if
hashcash is there. So, in theory, content filtering could take
place at the same time.
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| E.Nigma 2005-03-11, 2:45 am |
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Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Skip) wrote:
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| I've experienced some strange anomalies when sending Usenet
| posts thru the banana m2n gateway. One post shows up on
| Usenet and a 2nd post sent a hour later does not. Both had
| the required hashcash headers. The only difference was the
| content. Is banana remop filtering on content before sending
| posts on? Scanning is obviously taking place to determine if
| hashcash is there. So, in theory, content filtering could take
| place at the same time.
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| -=-
| This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.
I doubt it. Banana Admin has always been a straight shooter, and runs a
very unobjectionable and efficient remailer.
Why don't you post a message with the complete text of both messages
(if you're not ashamed of them), so we can all see the content and make
a judgement as to the so-called filtering. Otherwise, no joy. Half
the work that is done in the world is to make things appear what they
are not, for two and two continue to make four inspite of the whining
of a person of subnormal intelligence.
Any fool can critize, ...obviously.
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On 11 Mar 2005 05:37:30 -0000, Skip wrote in
Message-Id: <FVUW5N5J38422.0260416667@anonymous>:
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> I've experienced some strange anomalies when sending Usenet
> posts thru the banana m2n gateway. One post shows up on
> Usenet and a 2nd post sent a hour later does not. Both had
> the required hashcash headers. The only difference was the
> content. Is banana remop filtering on content before sending
> posts on? Scanning is obviously taking place to determine if
> hashcash is there. So, in theory, content filtering could take
> place at the same time.
Certainly filtering takes place. I run an application called Cleanfeed
that filters junk before it hits my news spool. Virtually all news
operators run this, without it the job advertisers and viagra salesmen
would run amok.
Let me know (privately if you prefer) something about the messages that
didn't get through and I'll check up what happened to them. I've had a
couple of problems with Hashcash lately, the latest version had a few
issues and I had to revert to an older one.
To prempt the cries of monitoring and filtering - This relates to a news
service and has nothing to do with the Banana remailer.
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On 11 Mar 2005 07:09:05 -0000, E.Nigma wrote in
Message-Id: <ARY75NFU38422.047974537@anonymous.poster>:
> I doubt it. Banana Admin has always been a straight shooter, and runs a
> very unobjectionable and efficient remailer.
Thanks
> Why don't you post a message with the complete text of both messages
> (if you're not ashamed of them), so we can all see the content and
> make a judgement as to the so-called filtering.
Despite there being filtering on the newsfeed, the filters catch
virtually nothing these days. This time last year I was regularly
dropping a few hundred posts every day, but the flame wars and flooding
have all but died out.
As always, the filters I use are on display for all to see.
http://www.bananasplit.info/filter.html Beyond these, there is a
crosspost limiting filter and an EMP filter that come with Cleanfeed.
Most rejected postings to the mail2news are caused by poor headers.
Missing colon on Newsgroups header is a favourite with no Newsgroups
header at all being a close second. A few anonymous posts are missing
the Hashcash header but very few have invalid Hashcash tokens.
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| enigma 2005-03-11, 5:45 pm |
| Get a new handle TROLL
"E.Nigma" <NoReply@vnn.vn> wrote in message
news:ARY75NFU38422.047974537@anonymous.poster...
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> In article <FVUW5N5J38422.0260416667@anonymous>
> Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Skip) wrote:
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> | I've experienced some strange anomalies when sending Usenet
> | posts thru the banana m2n gateway. One post shows up on
> | Usenet and a 2nd post sent a hour later does not. Both had
> | the required hashcash headers. The only difference was the
> | content. Is banana remop filtering on content before sending
> | posts on? Scanning is obviously taking place to determine if
> | hashcash is there. So, in theory, content filtering could take
> | place at the same time.
> |
> | -=-
> | This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.
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> I doubt it. Banana Admin has always been a straight shooter, and runs a
> very unobjectionable and efficient remailer.
>
> Why don't you post a message with the complete text of both messages
> (if you're not ashamed of them), so we can all see the content and make
> a judgement as to the so-called filtering. Otherwise, no joy. Half
> the work that is done in the world is to make things appear what they
> are not, for two and two continue to make four inspite of the whining
> of a person of subnormal intelligence.
>
> Any fool can critize, ...obviously.
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Zax <fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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>On 11 Mar 2005 07:09:05 -0000, E.Nigma wrote in
>Message-Id: <ARY75NFU38422.047974537@anonymous.poster>:
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>Thanks
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Who is this turkey intruding here, and why does he think anyone
would submit their postings so that he can make a judgment
with regard to the appropriateness of the content? The wanker is
apparently not even a remop himself. Has Zax designated this
character to speak for him?
>Despite there being filtering on the newsfeed, the filters catch
>virtually nothing these days. This time last year I was regularly
>dropping a few hundred posts every day, but the flame wars and flooding
>have all but died out.
>
>As always, the filters I use are on display for all to see.
>http://www.bananasplit.info/filter.html Beyond these, there is a
>crosspost limiting filter and an EMP filter that come with Cleanfeed.
>
>Most rejected postings to the mail2news are caused by poor headers.
>Missing colon on Newsgroups header is a favourite with no Newsgroups
>header at all being a close second. A few anonymous posts are missing
>the Hashcash header but very few have invalid Hashcash tokens.
>
I think the problem with one of the posts that disappeared was with
the crosspost limiting filter. Unfortunately you dump posts that
exceed the limit instead of truncating the newsgroup line to fit
within your parameters as some other remops do. Also, when
replying to a x-posted message it's easy to forget to review the
NG line to make sure it doesn't exceed the remop's limits.
With regard to content, some of the posts dropped contained
material referring to Israel and Zionism. Comments on these
subjects are heavily censored in certain parts of the world and
some people want that censorship extended to the Net. My
experience has been that my posts on those subjects are
much more likely to disappear than posts on other subjects.
I've seen other people say the same thing.
-=-
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| E.Nigma 2005-03-11, 5:45 pm |
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"enigma" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
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| Get a new handle TROLL
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| "E.Nigma" <NoReply@vnn.vn> wrote in message
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| > (SNIP SNIP)
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| > I doubt it. Banana Admin has always been a straight shooter, and runs a
| > very unobjectionable and efficient remailer.
| >
| > Why don't you post a message with the complete text of both messages
| > (if you're not ashamed of them), so we can all see the content and make
| > a judgement as to the so-called filtering. Otherwise, no joy. Half
| > the work that is done in the world is to make things appear what they
| > are not, for two and two continue to make four inspite of the whining
| > of a person of subnormal intelligence.
| >
| > Any fool can critize, ...obviously.
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| > (SNIP SNIP)
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You see? Again, ...obviously.
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| E. Nigma 2005-03-11, 5:45 pm |
| "enigma" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote in
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> Get a new handle TROLL
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> "E.Nigma" <NoReply@vnn.vn> wrote in message
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Even hiding your Message ID eh? Who frightens you so that you must cower?
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On 11 Mar 2005 19:42:33 -0000, Skip wrote in
Message-Id: <4J0QHUA438422.6128819444@anonymous>:
> Who is this turkey intruding here, and why does he think anyone
> would submit their postings so that he can make a judgment
> with regard to the appropriateness of the content? The wanker is
> apparently not even a remop himself. Has Zax designated this
> character to speak for him?
If you post your message in a public forum, you must expect people to
respond to it. If you wanted a private discussion, a valid email
address is listed in every message that passes through my service. I am
content to discuss your issues either here on by private email.
> I think the problem with one of the posts that disappeared was with
> the crosspost limiting filter. Unfortunately you dump posts that
> exceed the limit instead of truncating the newsgroup line to fit
> within your parameters as some other remops do. Also, when replying
> to a x-posted message it's easy to forget to review the NG line to
> make sure it doesn't exceed the remop's limits.
I appreciate your problem with regard to responding to crossposted
articles. Every message you post passes through virtually every news
server and each employs its own crosspost limits. If you want to
ensure your messages go through, don't crosspost at all.
> With regard to content, some of the posts dropped contained material
> referring to Israel and Zionism. Comments on these subjects are
> heavily censored in certain parts of the world and some people want
> that censorship extended to the Net. My experience has been that my
> posts on those subjects are much more likely to disappear than posts
> on other subjects. I've seen other people say the same thing.
My service has no filters that would cause these messages to be dropped,
but I cannot speak for my peers and other server ops. Maybe your own
news server is dropping them, or one of those between you and me in the
propagation chain? Provide a Message-ID and I can look into the
problem.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-03-12, 5:45 pm |
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Zax wrote:
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> Let me know (privately if you prefer) something about the messages that
> didn't get through and I'll check up what happened to them. I've had a
> couple of problems with Hashcash lately, the latest version had a few
> issues and I had to revert to an older one.
The problem what that double spending didn't work, right? That shouldn't
be a problem with posting. I do wonder however if the -Z2 option works
with hc 1.13 ..
Thomas
- --
"It is of course well known that careless talk costs lives, but the full
scale of the problem is not always appreciated." - DNA, THHGTTG Chapter 31
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