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| herehere@aussiemail.com.au 2005-04-18, 5:46 pm |
| Hey,
I really appreceate everyone posting which remailers are honey pots and
which arn't; great info. Thanks 
I have 2 questions:
1. how do you know the remailers honey pots?
2. what constitutes a honey pot for a remailer?
Thank you all very much,
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| George Orwell 2005-04-18, 5:46 pm |
| On 18 Apr 2005, herehere@aussiemail.com.au wrote:
>Hey,
>
>I really appreceate everyone posting which remailers are honey pots and
>which arn't; great info. Thanks
No, it's not "great info". It's FUD.
You can't believe everything you read in this group. There are a lot of
remailer haters who come in here and post bullshit to scare newbies, and
other people with other agendas who will post FUD to drive you to/away from
a particular piece of software, or remailer.
That much having been said, you really want to avoid parsifal/eelbash/etc.
You can google a lot of it, but eelbash admin has some real serious ego
problems. He keeps insisting he knows how to "improve" the remailer
network, but actually he doesn't know shit. Google will back me up on that,
too.
He has also turned on the other remops, attempting to get 2 of them shut
down (Dizum and Austria), and has repeatedly referred to the rest of them
as "children". He honestly believes he is the only adult running a
remailer.
If you want this psychological train-wreck handling your messages, go for
it. For me, I choose not to even have him in my list of remailers.
>
>
>I have 2 questions:
>
>1. how do you know the remailers honey pots?
>
>
>2. what constitutes a honey pot for a remailer?
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>
>Thank you all very much,
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-04-23, 5:46 pm |
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herehere@aussiemail.com.au wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I really appreceate everyone posting which remailers are honey pots and
> which arn't; great info. Thanks
>
>
>
> I have 2 questions:
>
> 1. how do you know the remailers honey pots?
They wouldn't announce themselves as honeypots, so you would not know.
> 2. what constitutes a honey pot for a remailer?
Good question! Unless remailers are linked together, even a honeypot
remailer would be an useful addition to the network!
There isn't much a remailer can collect about a user on its own. It only
knows the previous, current and the next hop. So as long as your chain
is longer than one remailer, it cannot know the final destination and
the original address. (not without cooperating)
It is possible for a remailer to get good stats though and to hurt the
stats of other remailers! In that way it might be possible to force
users to use certain remailers more than other unfortunately :-(
Thomas
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| J.Alfred Prufrock 2005-04-26, 7:45 am |
| In article <426aac45$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
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> herehere@aussiemail.com.au wrote:
>
> They wouldn't announce themselves as honeypots, so you would not know.
>
>
> Good question! Unless remailers are linked together, even a honeypot
> remailer would be an useful addition to the network!
>
> There isn't much a remailer can collect about a user on its own. It only
> knows the previous, current and the next hop. So as long as your chain
> is longer than one remailer, it cannot know the final destination and
> the original address. (not without cooperating)
>
> It is possible for a remailer to get good stats though and to hurt the
> stats of other remailers! In that way it might be possible to force
> users to use certain remailers more than other unfortunately :-(
>
> Thomas
> - --
Very true. Also, consider that if the first remailer is chosen
at random a "honey-pot" remailer will eventually have the
IP address of everyone using the remailer network actively.
Since there are only 3 people using the network now, it would
be trivial to catch someone posting something via remailers
that was objectionable. (just kidding).
J. A. Prufrock
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2005-05-01, 5:48 pm |
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J.Alfred Prufrock wrote:
> In article <426aac45$0$769$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Very true. Also, consider that if the first remailer is chosen
> at random a "honey-pot" remailer will eventually have the
> IP address of everyone using the remailer network actively.
>
> Since there are only 3 people using the network now, it would
> be trivial to catch someone posting something via remailers
> that was objectionable. (just kidding).
LOL, you got me worried for a while there..
Good comment about choosing the first remailer at random! Maybe it is
better to fix both the exit and entry remailer (for reliability and the
comment just made). You would need to add some extra hops in the middle
then of course. But that would solve problems like your provider being
barred by the entry remailer!
If the first hop is compromised (ie a 'honeypot'), it would still be the
same as using a random remailer though..
Thanks!
Thomas
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| Nomen Nescio 2005-05-01, 5:48 pm |
| In article <42725020$0$776$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
> Good comment about choosing the first remailer at random! Maybe it is
> better to fix both the exit and entry remailer (for reliability and the
> comment just made). You would need to add some extra hops in the middle
> then of course. But that would solve problems like your provider being
> barred by the entry remailer!
>
> If the first hop is compromised (ie a 'honeypot'), it would still be the
> same as using a random remailer though..
Set up mixmaster on your own system as a server. Use that as
your entry node with multiple random hops as second/third nodes
and chose your exit remailer.
In quicksilver, you would use:
Chain: myremailer,*,*,exitremailer; copies=6
Your mixmaster server would also send out a small number of
random spoof messages to generate a bit of traffic.
If you do this, remember to reset the pool size or it may take a
while for your message to leave your system.
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| herehere@aussiemail.com.au 2005-05-01, 5:48 pm |
| Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <42725020$0$776$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Set up mixmaster on your own system as a server. Use that as
> your entry node with multiple random hops as second/third nodes
> and chose your exit remailer.
>
> In quicksilver, you would use:
>
> Chain: myremailer,*,*,exitremailer; copies=6
>
> Your mixmaster server would also send out a small number of
> random spoof messages to generate a bit of traffic.
>
> If you do this, remember to reset the pool size or it may take a
> while for your message to leave your system.
>
>
If your concerned about your IP being recored by the entry remailer why
don't you use Tor?
I know J.B.N & QS rout though Tor; if you "roll-your-own" can you also
rout though Tor?
>
> Chain: myremailer,*,*,exitremailer; copies=6
>
>
Correct me if I'm wrong but if I want to use SSL (via. Stunnel) I need
my TLS Host and my entry remailer to be the same; for example:
Host: panta-rhei.dyndns.org:2525
Chain: panta,*,*,italy; copies=6
__________
If I set up a remailer on my own system and used my remailer as the
entry remailer in my Headers will I be able to use Stunnel?
___________
>
> Set up mixmaster on your own system as a server. Use that as
> your entry node with multiple random hops as second/third nodes
> and chose your exit remailer.
>
>
I have been thinking about this latley and I would like to contribute
to mixmaster by running a remiler.
I run XPHome SP2; tweaked with *very few* services running and no
paging file.
How difficult is it to setup and run a remailer?
Do you have any url's that could offer me a how-to?
Are there any tips you could offer?
Am I out of my mind thinking I can do this?...LOL ;-)
Thanks very much
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| Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 2005-05-01, 5:48 pm |
| In article
<1114792592.352564.240090@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
"herehere@aussiemail.com.au" <herehere@aussiemail.com.au> wrote:
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> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> If your concerned about your IP being recored by the entry remailer why
> don't you use Tor?
>
> I know J.B.N & QS rout though Tor; if you "roll-your-own" can you also
> rout though Tor?
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but if I want to use SSL (via. Stunnel) I need
> my TLS Host and my entry remailer to be the same; for example:
>
> Host: panta-rhei.dyndns.org:2525
> Chain: panta,*,*,italy; copies=6
> __________
>
> If I set up a remailer on my own system and used my remailer as the
> entry remailer in my Headers will I be able to use Stunnel?
I am assuming the connection from the machine you write email on
to your server (possibly the same machine) is secure.
If so, just run an email client that supports SSL natively.
>
> I have been thinking about this latley and I would like to contribute
> to mixmaster by running a remiler.
>
> I run XPHome SP2; tweaked with *very few* services running and no
> paging file.
>
> How difficult is it to setup and run a remailer?
Pretty simple.
I had mine up and running in less than 24 h with Reliable.
I converted it to Mixmaster and Debian (no knowledge of unix) in
about the same time.
> Do you have any url's that could offer me a how-to?
>
> Are there any tips you could offer?
Mixmaster is less strain on the machine. With Reliable, you
won;t want to use the machine for much else because it's a bit
of a hog.
Once you have Reliable working, and had it working for a bit,
there are a few changes you can make to the source code.
Join the remops list that I've just (re)set - up because the old
one went down.
> Am I out of my mind thinking I can do this?...LOL ;-)
Not at all.
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| herehere@aussiemail.com.au 2005-05-01, 5:48 pm |
| > >
>
> I am assuming the connection from the machine you write email on
> to your server (possibly the same machine) is secure.
Yes, it's secure.
>
> If so, just run an email client that supports SSL natively.
>
Do you have any suggestion as to a quality email client that supposts
SSL?
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>
> Pretty simple.
>
> I had mine up and running in less than 24 h with Reliable.
>
> I converted it to Mixmaster and Debian (no knowledge of unix) in
> about the same time.
>
I don't know much about the inner workings of remailers yet; I have a
few questions if you don't mind:
Why did you convert from Reliable to MM & Debian?
Would you suggrest running Reliable or MM & Debian?
Could I run MM & Debian off my XPHome? (I am also going to setup a Tor
server on my XPHome)
I have a extra 98se box I could run Reliable or MM&Debian off of if
it's possible; I have a Cabel Modem with very fast connection. Can I
split my connection to both computers and still run a remailer?
If you suggest Reliable would you suggest Panta's mod's?
>
> Mixmaster is less strain on the machine. With Reliable, you
> won;t want to use the machine for much else because it's a bit
> of a hog.
>
> Once you have Reliable working, and had it working for a bit,
> there are a few changes you can make to the source code.
>
> Join the remops list that I've just (re)set - up because the old
> one went down.
>
>
> Not at all.
Thanks so much
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| Italy Anonymous Remailer 2005-05-01, 5:49 pm |
| In article
<1114865156.375299.315940@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
"herehere@aussiemail.com.au" <herehere@aussiemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it's secure.
>
>
> Do you have any suggestion as to a quality email client that supposts
> SSL?
Sorry, I meant server, not client, that supports TLS or SSL.
Exim4 under Debian
Mercury under Windows
You don't *have* to have TLS/SSL support. All the traffic will
be encrypted anyway, unless you are an exit node.
>
> I don't know much about the inner workings of remailers yet; I have a
> few questions if you don't mind:
>
> Why did you convert from Reliable to MM & Debian?
Reliable seemed rather slow on my machine (Windows 2k server, P3
600). For every message it opens a DOS window to
encrypt/decrypt. Running at full capacity, it could handle the
load with about 50% overhead, but if it went down, it would take
some considerable time to clear the backlog.
Mixmaster natively under Debian seems to put much less stress on
the machine.
Once you get over the hurdle of setting up Linux (mine is
completely text based, no graphical interface) rather than
Windows, setting up Mixmaster isn;t much of a problem at all.
> Would you suggrest running Reliable or MM & Debian?
Reliable is much easier if you are used to Windows.
Debian will mean losing Windows.
> Could I run MM & Debian off my XPHome? (I am also going to setup a Tor
> server on my XPHome)
You can't run Debian at the same time as Windows. It's one or
the other. I don't think anyone has the mixmaster server running
directly under Windows, although you could try playing with
Cygwin (but it wouldn't be at all straightforward).
> I have a extra 98se box I could run Reliable or MM&Debian off of if
> it's possible; I have a Cabel Modem with very fast connection. Can I
> split my connection to both computers and still run a remailer?
Of course you can. I'd definately recommend using a seperate
machine. It doesn't need to be high powered and can be
positively ancient for Debian.
You need a cheap ($30) router to plug into your cable modem, or
a combined cable modem with router. You could even use Windows
to share the connection. Without knowing a bit more about your
particular ISP's setup, I can't offer more advice.
Why not just install either Reliable on the Windows98 machine
and have a play with it.
> If you suggest Reliable would you suggest Panta's mod's?
I haven't really looked into them much. There were a few mods I
made to make a few minor enhancements (make the admin-key
available and things like that). You need a visual basic
compiler to be able to do it - which I was kindly loaned by
another remop.
Have a look at the REMOPS mailing list. Hopefully many of the
remops will join up to it now it has been resurrected (it
suddenly dissapeared at the start of this year). You might find
something interesting in the old archives, which are now
available at:
www.remailer.org.uk
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