Anonymous Servers - whassup with mixminion?

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whassup with mixminion?

Nomen Nescio

2005-05-22, 2:45 am

while working on my mixminion gui, i notice that nothing was going out.

investigation showed that the reason is when mixminion tries to update-servers it's getting an http error 404

C:\mixminion>mixminion update-servers
Mixminion version 0.0.7.1
This software is for testing purposes only. Anonymity is not guaranteed.
May 21 22:36:12.280 -0500 [INFO] Downloading directory from http://mixminion.net
/directory/Directory.gz
May 21 22:36:13.540 -0500 [ERROR] Couldn't connect to directory server: HTTP Err
or 404: Not Found.
Try '-D no' to run without downloading a directory.

trying to load http://mixminion.net in web browser gets the Seul.org home page...

anybody got a clue about that?

meanwhile, i'm off to modify the gui so that it does not do update-servers unless explicitly asked to.

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-22, 7:45 am

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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> while working on my mixminion gui, i notice that nothing was going out.
>
> investigation showed that the reason is when mixminion tries to update-servers it's getting an http error 404
>
> C:\mixminion>mixminion update-servers
> Mixminion version 0.0.7.1
> This software is for testing purposes only. Anonymity is not guaranteed.
> May 21 22:36:12.280 -0500 [INFO] Downloading directory from http://mixminion.net
> /directory/Directory.gz
> May 21 22:36:13.540 -0500 [ERROR] Couldn't connect to directory server: HTTP Err
> or 404: Not Found.
> Try '-D no' to run without downloading a directory.
>
> trying to load http://mixminion.net in web browser gets the Seul.org home page...
>
> anybody got a clue about that?
>
> meanwhile, i'm off to modify the gui so that it does not do update-servers unless explicitly asked to.

When I checked yesterday, mixminion.net was down. They are still in the
Google cache however!

And below is the info from whois.net, it was updated today, let's hope
the domain was not hijacked..

WHOIS information for mixminion.net:
[whois.joker.com]
domain: mixminion.net
status: lock
organization: DOOMCom
email: gbritton*nospam*@doomcom.org
address: 17 Pleasant Pl
city: Cambridge
postal-code: MA 02139
country: US
phone: --
fax: --
admin-c: arma@freehaven.net#0
tech-c: arma@freehaven.net#0
billing-c: arma@freehaven.net#0
nserver: moria.seul.org
nserver: light-brigade.doomcom.org
created: 2002-03-17 19:56:27 UTC
modified: 2004-05-20 02:11:09 UTC
expires: 2006-03-17 19:56:27 UTC
source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.060241
db-updated: 2005-05-22 12:29:42

Thomas
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"I don't know, it just seems to be so incredibly beautiful. It's magic."
- - emmel, alt.games.creatures, may 2005
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Nomen Nescio

2005-05-22, 5:46 pm

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>When I checked yesterday, mixminion.net was down. They are still in the
>Google cache however!

it's working now DNS failure??

BTW.. wouldnt it be great if mixminion had more that ONE directory server?

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Zax

2005-05-22, 5:46 pm

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On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:40:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote in
Message-Id: <a1faf46871e9f64999703331ee2570af@dizum.com>:

> BTW.. wouldnt it be great if mixminion had more that ONE directory server?

The next release of Mixminion will have a built-in pinger so that
clients can obtain keys and reliability stats from lots of different
locations. I belive Nick is hoping to get this release out in the next
few months.

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[Anon] Mr Tester

2005-05-22, 5:46 pm

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Zax wrote:

>The next release of Mixminion will have a built-in pinger so that
>clients can obtain keys and reliability stats from lots of different
>locations. I belive Nick is hoping to get this release out in the next
>few months.

That's great news. I'll be looking forward to seeing the announcement.

now to figure out how to followup to a message in the windoze clipboard...

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Honore De Balzac

2005-05-22, 5:46 pm

On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:23:58 -0400 (EDT), in alt.privacy.anon-server
you wrote:

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>Zax wrote:
>
>
>That's great news. I'll be looking forward to seeing the announcement.
>
>now to figure out how to followup to a message in the windoze =
clipboard...

=46or those of us who haven't kept up, can somebody fill in the story
about mixminion vs the tor routers?

=46rom what I have seen here, the impression I have is that tor has
taken over the functions that mixminion was going to perform, and that
the development gurus have stopped work on mixminion to get involved
with tor.

That is probably way off base, even if it is a little true, but I
would be interested in getting a clearer picture.

http://parsifal.ath.cx/miscx for Parsifal stats and remailer information=
(under construction)

Zax

2005-05-22, 5:46 pm

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On 22 May 2005 22:04:58 -0000, Honore De Balzac wrote in
Message-Id: <YFEDY18E38494.7534490741@si93kru1.poster>:

> For those of us who haven't kept up, can somebody fill in the story
> about mixminion vs the tor routers?
>
> From what I have seen here, the impression I have is that tor has
> taken over the functions that mixminion was going to perform, and that
> the development gurus have stopped work on mixminion to get involved
> with tor.
>
> That is probably way off base, even if it is a little true, but I
> would be interested in getting a clearer picture.

Tor and Mixminion are very different things.

Tor is a low-latency anonymous routing service. It provides good
anonymity for a wide variety of services and protocols.

Mixminion is an anonymous email service (like Mixmaster). Because mail
doesn't require near real-time delivery, Mixminion can use longer
latency than Tor. With this longer latency comes really strong
anonymity.

There are quite a few differences between Mixmaster and Mixminion.
Probably this most significant are:

* Mixminion clients and servers talk to eachother using a dedicated
protocol MMTPS whilst Mixmaster uses standard SMTP.
* Mixminion contains reply-block functionality to enable anonymous
replies. Unlike Type-I reply blocks, these are only valid once,
(Single Use Reply Blocks - SURBS)

Mixminion development has been delayed whilst Tor is going through it's
Alpha phases. Hopefully there will be some more work on it soon,
although nearly all the work is being done by Nick Matthewson
single-handedly so as you can image he's a pretty busy guy right now.

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Thrasher Remailer

2005-05-22, 8:45 pm

Mixminion is the implementation of the Type III anonymous remailer
protocol.

Cpunk was Type I. Mixmaster was Type II. Mixminion is Type III.
The mixminion network is the next generation remailer network.

nobody@firenze.linux.it

2005-05-23, 2:45 am

How are you getting around the spaces in the arguments?

that turned out to be easy (working in win98/MsDos anyway)

you need to make strings for the doublequote char and the asterisk

qt = Chr$(34)
ast = Chr$(42)

then build the command line to feed mixminion...

cmd = " send -D no --subject=" + qt + subject + qt + " --from=" + qt + from_addr + qt + " -t " + qt + dest + qt + " -i " + qt + "c:\mixminion\tmsg.txt" + qt + " -P " + qt + ast + hops + qt + " --config=" + qt + "c:\mixminion\mixminionrc" + qt

enjoy...

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Anonymous

2005-05-23, 7:48 am

What's the better point of Mixminion than Mixmaster?

On Sun, 22 May 2005 22:38:51 +0000 (UTC), Zax
<fleegle@bananasplit.info> wrote:

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>On 22 May 2005 22:04:58 -0000, Honore De Balzac wrote in
>Message-Id: <YFEDY18E38494.7534490741@si93kru1.poster>:
>
that[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>Tor and Mixminion are very different things.
>
>Tor is a low-latency anonymous routing service. It provides good
>anonymity for a wide variety of services and protocols.
>
>Mixminion is an anonymous email service (like Mixmaster). Because mail
>doesn't require near real-time delivery, Mixminion can use longer
>latency than Tor. With this longer latency comes really strong
>anonymity.
>
>There are quite a few differences between Mixmaster and Mixminion.
>Probably this most significant are:
>
>* Mixminion clients and servers talk to eachother using a dedicated
> protocol MMTPS whilst Mixmaster uses standard SMTP.
>* Mixminion contains reply-block functionality to enable anonymous
> replies. Unlike Type-I reply blocks, these are only valid once,
> (Single Use Reply Blocks - SURBS)
>
>Mixminion development has been delayed whilst Tor is going through it's
>Alpha phases. Hopefully there will be some more work on it soon,
>although nearly all the work is being done by Nick Matthewson
>single-handedly so as you can image he's a pretty busy guy right now.
>
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

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Anonymous wrote:
> What's the better point of Mixminion than Mixmaster?

Mixminion allows nym replies in the future, but Mixmaster is better
right now. It has been in 'beta' for a longer time and there is probably
more anonymous traffic for it on the network. It just does the job when
you don't need to get back a reply! If you want to get a reply back,
Mixmaster sucks big time :-(

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

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Zax wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:40:04 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote in
> Message-Id: <a1faf46871e9f64999703331ee2570af@dizum.com>:
>
>
>
>
> The next release of Mixminion will have a built-in pinger so that
> clients can obtain keys and reliability stats from lots of different
> locations. I belive Nick is hoping to get this release out in the next
> few months.

That doesn't do much good if you can't download the client in the first
place because mixminion.net is down! I wouldn't trust a client I got
elsewhere unless I had some relevant keys on my keyring already that I
trusted..

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

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> In <483731b1aab7f23ca2f429832bcfacac@dizum.com> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> that turned out to be easy (working in win98/MsDos anyway)
>
> you need to make strings for the doublequote char and the asterisk
>
> qt = Chr$(34)
> ast = Chr$(42)
>
> then build the command line to feed mixminion...
>
> cmd = " send -D no --subject=" + qt + subject + qt + " --from=" + qt + from_addr + qt + " -t " + qt + dest + qt + " -i " + qt + "c:\mixminion\tmsg.txt" + qt + " -P " + qt + ast + hops + qt + " --config=" + qt + "c:\mixminion\mixminionrc" + qt
>
> enjoy...

I am not sure that would work (I know pretty much everything about MS
DOS and I can't make sense of this except that it looks like Basic).

Anyways, if you use the nix binaries (on the nix operating system) you
will be fine.. It will probably be fixed soon in the mixminion binaries
for windows (but IIRC it might take some work)..

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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A.Melon

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

In article <4298ed5b$0$767$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> I know pretty much everything about MS DOS

Hahahahaha!!

Thrasher Remailer

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

In article <4298ed58$0$767$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
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> Zax wrote:
>
> That doesn't do much good if you can't download the client in the first
> place because mixminion.net is down!

Not anymore.

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-28, 5:45 pm

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A.Melon wrote:
> In article <4298ed5b$0$767$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl>
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hahahahaha!!

I coded assembly for it and read through Ralph Browns interrupt list and
stuff. I must admit that my knowledge stops when it comes to extended
memory drivers, but I know all there is to know about e.g. batch files.
I even wrote a driver for config.sys once.. I coded lots of things back
in the old days.. <http://home.hccnet.nl/t.j.boschloo/netsafer> must
have been my latest endeavor.

I also cracked loads of video games in the past. That also helped to get
a grip on MS-DOS. I can post you the sources of e.g. my Starcontrol II
crack if you want me to?! I am very proud of that one and it took me a
long time and several attempts to work.

Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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[Anon] Mr Tester

2005-05-29, 2:45 am

This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Mixminion
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anonymous messages, please contact pbox-admin@winstonsmith.info.

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In <4298ed5b$0$767$3a628fcd@reader10.nntp.hccnet.nl> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

>
>I am not sure that would work (I know pretty much everything about MS
>DOS and I can't make sense of this except that it looks like Basic).

Ah but you see, it DOES work! I'm using it to post this msg. and yes,
it's Basic.. Visual Basic, Same thing JBN and Reliable are written in.

>Anyways
>if you use the nix binaries (on the nix operating system) you
>will be fine.. It will probably be fixed soon in the mixminion binaries
>for windows (but IIRC it might take some work)..

I started this project because of two things.

The closest thing I've got to *nix is Cygwin.

Frankly, I got tired of doing it on the command line. It was slow, klunky
and made replies difficult. using a batch file and a temp message file helped,
but putting together a GUI frontend was really the ticket.

Once I've got it refined some more, I'll be putting it out where others can
check it out and use it if they like it.

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This message brought to you by MMS 1.0rc8
a new mixminion GUI under development

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Nomen Nescio

2005-05-29, 5:46 pm

In article <20050529050756.08BFE9036@pbox-level-2.homelinux.net>
"[Anon] Mr Tester" <nobody@pbox-level-2.homelinux.net> wrote:
>
> Ah but you see, it DOES work! I'm using it to post this msg. and yes,
> it's Basic.. Visual Basic, Same thing JBN and Reliable are written in.

Your conversational style is quite similar to that of RProcess too.
Are you him?

Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-29, 5:46 pm

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[Anon] Mr Tester wrote:
<snip>
> I started this project because of two things.
>
> The closest thing I've got to *nix is Cygwin.
>
> Frankly, I got tired of doing it on the command line. It was slow, klunky
> and made replies difficult. using a batch file and a temp message file helped,
> but putting together a GUI frontend was really the ticket.
>
> Once I've got it refined some more, I'll be putting it out where others can
> check it out and use it if they like it.

I can't wait..
Thomas
- --
"You can't be safer, can't be more secure than with a breast in each
palm, that's the way I was born and that's the way I want to die" -
Sugarcubes, Mama, 1988
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[Anon] Mr Tester

2005-05-29, 5:46 pm

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In <63bbf7a79aaa549179a0073c5fdf363a@dizum.com> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>In article <20050529050756.08BFE9036@pbox-level-2.homelinux.net>
>[Anon] Mr Tester
><nobody@pbox-level-2.homelinux.net> wrote:
>it DOES work! I'm using it to post this msg. and yes
>
>Same thing JBN and Reliable are written in.
>
>Your conversational style is quite similar to that of RProcess too.
>Are you him?
>
>

NOW I will consider myself flattered!

No, I am not now, nor have I ever been RProcess.

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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-05-29, 5:46 pm

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A.Melon wrote:
> In article <20050529171058.ED59630010@mail.winstonsmith.info>
> "[Anon] Mr Tester" <nobody@winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bullshit! XXX kisser!
>
> Anyone with a brain knows Frog was RProcess and XXXXing Blueturd
> killed him.

Still, he never said goodbye :-( Frog-Admin did!
Thomas
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nobody@firenze.linux.it

2005-05-29, 5:46 pm

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In < cce4094355634c4c0082a4bb83ec6544@melontr
affickers.com> A.Melon <juicy@melontraffickers.com> wrote:
>In article <20050529171058.ED59630010@mail.winstonsmith.info>
>[Anon] Mr Tester
><nobody@winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>sent to you by the Mixminion
>please contact winnie-admin@winstonsmith.info
>I am not now
>nor have I ever been RProcess.
>
>Bullshit! XXX kisser!
>
>Anyone with a brain knows Frog was RProcess and XXXXing Blueturd
>killed him.
>

Um.. I think somebody's tinfoil hat is on a little too tight

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