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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-18, 5:47 pm

https://secure.1stdigibank.com/indexx.htm

Now that Bruce Scheiner has dropped the proverbial hammer on privacy.li,
who enthusiastically supports this bank, what do you think of the concept
and do you have any experience with FDIB?
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Yortuk Festrunk

2005-07-19, 5:47 pm

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:33:58 -0400, Ari Silversteinn wrote:

> https://secure.1stdigibank.com/indexx.htm
>
> Now that Bruce Scheiner has dropped the proverbial hammer on privacy.li,
> who enthusiastically supports this bank, what do you think of the concept
> and do you have any experience with FDIB?

Why No Ari, go XXXX yourself.

Chrissy Cruiser

2005-07-20, 2:46 am

[vbcol=seagreen]
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:33:58 -0400, Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>

I have and am using this bank with great satisfaction. Do you have any
particular questions? As to PI, I wouldn't trust them, Cotse and UA are no
more forthcoming but at least they give factual info about who they are.

--
1990 FBI busted BCCL Bank finding that CIA complicit with $4B funding of
Iraqi nuclear plants. We build countries so we can blow them up.

Adminus

2005-07-20, 5:47 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
> https://secure.1stdigibank.com/indexx.htm
>
> Now that Bruce Scheiner has dropped the proverbial hammer on privacy.li,
> who enthusiastically supports this bank, what do you think of the concept
> and do you have any experience with FDIB?

What you mean with 'proverbial hammer on privacy.li'???

Bruce Schneier has his own agenda, he doesn't like our political
approach (mainly that privacy.li is vehemently against the jewish/US
world domination). Schneier is of course Jewish, which can be looked up
here:

http://privacy.li/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257

We even have posted this 'attack' to our forum, as it looks pretty silly
, if you really go through it.

Adminus

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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-20, 5:47 pm

> Ari Silversteinn wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:26 -0400, Adminus wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> What you mean with 'proverbial hammer on privacy.li'???

I mean that it was not a real hammer.

Scheiner is well accounted for by reputation and by deed and his small
piece on you is not in your best interests. MOF, I agree with him, it is
difficult enough to trust Cotse, for instance, however Gielda is not
anonymous here (ahem) and his company isn't a mystery tucked away somewhere
God only really knows.

> Bruce Schneier has his own agenda, he doesn't like our political
> approach (mainly that privacy.li is vehemently against the jewish/US
> world domination). Schneier is of course Jewish, which can be looked up
> here:
>
> http://privacy.li/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257

I'm aware he is Jewish, I am aware of your stance, I'm also aware of his
potential bias, all which may have propelled him to print his article in
your disfavor. I am also aware that, imo, he is correct regardless.

> We even have posted this 'attack' to our forum, as it looks pretty silly
> , if you really go through it.
>
> Adminus

You play sleight of hand. Back to the crux of my post which is that you
have, for whatever reasons and one could just as easily wonder of your
agendas, have firmly supported this bank in the Subject. I have diligently
tries to find any information other than yours and the bank's website and I
have yet to find one person outside of this Chrissy Cruiser, also
anonymous, who has anything whatsoever to say about FDIB.

What could you relate to alleviate this unheard of lack of information
other than your personal experiences?
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Anonymous

2005-07-20, 5:47 pm

In article <42dea596$0$3558$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>
Adminus <admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:
>
> Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
> What you mean with 'proverbial hammer on privacy.li'???
>
> Bruce Schneier has his own agenda, he doesn't like our political
> approach (mainly that privacy.li is vehemently against the jewish/US
> world domination). Schneier is of course Jewish, which can be looked up
> here:
>
> http://privacy.li/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257
>
> We even have posted this 'attack' to our forum, as it looks pretty silly
> , if you really go through it.
>
> Adminus

Ah, so he "is of course Jewish". Funny, that never occurred to me. I had
always thought he was just a dude who was brilliant, well-respected and had
security principles rooted in common sense.

Now I find out he is Jewish. Oh My God.

You are the one who looks silly as I read through that forum, but I doubt
you see it that way. Nobody has a problem with what you wish to accomplish
with your business, but it becomes increasingly difficult to trust a freak
such as yourself. Trust is a very close cousin of respect and you just
lost a ton of respect in one fell swoop, not because of anything Schneier
wrote but by your response.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-20, 5:47 pm

In <42dea596$0$3558$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, admin01@privacy.li_not wrote:
>Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
>What you mean with 'proverbial hammer on privacy.li'???
>
>Bruce Schneier has his own agenda, he doesn't like our political
>approach (mainly that privacy.li is vehemently against the jewish/US
>world domination). Schneier is of course Jewish, which can be looked up
>here:

who the XXXX cares if he (or anybody) is Jewish or not?

I say that he's probably not thrilled with your hate propaganda and the fact that you're not up front in your business dealings.;

Personally, I think that privacy.li and ALL so-called 'privacy services' like it (cotse, ultimate anonymity, anonymizer, etc) are full of smoke and mirrors, because they have to be paid for, they cannot be anonymous... there IS an audit trail.

"who is this user?"

"I don't know, they're anonymous"

"how do we find them?"

"follow the money, honey"

where there is no money trail, there is a chance at anonymity.

BTW- The Jews are God's chosen people, attack them at your own peril

Adminus

2005-07-20, 8:45 pm

>
> I say that he's probably not thrilled with your hate propaganda and the fact that you're not up front in your business dealings.;
>
> Personally, I think that privacy.li and ALL so-called 'privacy services' like it (cotse, ultimate anonymity, anonymizer, etc) are full of smoke and mirrors, because they have to be paid for, they cannot be anonymous... there IS an audit trail.
>
> "who is this user?"
>
> "I don't know, they're anonymous"
>
> "how do we find them?"
>
> "follow the money, honey"
>
> where there is no money trail, there is a chance at anonymity.

That's the point, I do not accept ANY PAYMENT form which can be trailed
back to the respective clients, which sets me apart.

>
>
> BTW- The Jews are God's chosen people, attack them at your own peril

Oh, good to know:-)
BTW, Schneier started the attack out of the blue, not me. He did not
even gave me a chance to answer upfront questions about his concern.
He just shot against me.

He may be chosen or not, that's NOT gentleman like.

Adminus
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Adminus

2005-07-20, 8:45 pm

Anonymous wrote:
> In article <42dea596$0$3558$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>
> Adminus <admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah, so he "is of course Jewish". Funny, that never occurred to me. I had
> always thought he was just a dude who was brilliant, well-respected and had
> security principles rooted in common sense.
>
> Now I find out he is Jewish. Oh My God.
>
> You are the one who looks silly as I read through that forum, but I doubt
> you see it that way. Nobody has a problem with what you wish to accomplish
> with your business, but it becomes increasingly difficult to trust a freak
> such as yourself. Trust is a very close cousin of respect and you just
> lost a ton of respect in one fell swoop, not because of anything Schneier
> wrote but by your response.

What other conclusion should i draw of his behavior?? We never had any
contact before, I am not the coder of drivecrypt (nevertheless he
attacked ME as such)

So, what other than my political credos could have caused him to act in
this unfair way???

You give the answer...

But honestly, business has doubled since his 'coverage', as lot's of
people are out there who DO understand what is wrong and what is not.

And there is no such thing as bad publicity, except your own obituary!

Adminus
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Adminus

2005-07-20, 8:45 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:26 -0400, Adminus wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I mean that it was not a real hammer.
>
> Scheiner is well accounted for by reputation and by deed and his small
> piece on you is not in your best interests. MOF, I agree with him, it is
> difficult enough to trust Cotse, for instance, however Gielda is not
> anonymous here (ahem) and his company isn't a mystery tucked away somewhere
> God only really knows.
>
>
>
>
> I'm aware he is Jewish, I am aware of your stance, I'm also aware of his
> potential bias, all which may have propelled him to print his article in
> your disfavor. I am also aware that, imo, he is correct regardless.
>
>
>
>
> You play sleight of hand. Back to the crux of my post which is that you
> have, for whatever reasons and one could just as easily wonder of your
> agendas, have firmly supported this bank in the Subject. I have diligently
> tries to find any information other than yours and the bank's website and I
> have yet to find one person outside of this Chrissy Cruiser, also
> anonymous, who has anything whatsoever to say about FDIB.
>
> What could you relate to alleviate this unheard of lack of information
> other than your personal experiences?

What I think of 1stdigibank is published on my website, also some users
have expressed their opinion in various forums.

I know the owners, and I know they do a very good job. If they wouldn't
the internet would be full of complaints and other bad mouthing. They do
not want to be mainstream, and in my opinion this is the best choice.

Everything which becomes mainstream and is against vital big brother
interests will soon disappear.

The offshore concept is dead, since a few years, killed and buried by
the US. And not because of money laundering or 'war on terrorism', but
to catch the small tax evader or the 'stash-away-my-cash-guy'.

Adminus
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Anonymous via Panta Rhei

2005-07-20, 8:45 pm

In article <42dea596$0$3558$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>
Adminus <admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:
>
> Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
> What you mean with 'proverbial hammer on privacy.li'???
>
> Bruce Schneier has his own agenda, he doesn't like our political
> approach (mainly that privacy.li is vehemently against the jewish/US
> world domination). Schneier is of course Jewish, which can be looked up
> here:
>
> http://privacy.li/forum/viewtopic.php?t=257

So how come you endorse/resell DriveCrypt when one of its encryption
algorithms (Blowfish) was designed by that nasty Jew himself? DriveCrypt
includes a Zionist backdoor!

AAAAAAAAUGH!

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Nomen Nescio

2005-07-21, 2:46 am

In <42dedce6$0$3577$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, admin01@privacy.li_not
wrote:
>
>That's the point, I do not accept ANY PAYMENT form which can be trailed
>back to the respective clients, which sets me apart.
>

Liar, You are in collusion with the NSA

>
>Oh, good to know:-)
>BTW, Schneier started the attack out of the blue, not me. He did not
>even gave me a chance to answer upfront questions about his concern.
>He just shot against me.

Hmm.. I'd say that he investigated and made his statements based on what
anyone seriously investigating privacy.lie would find... That you are an
NSA SHILL

>He may be chosen or not, that's NOT gentleman like.
>

Like I give a XXXX. Gentelman or not, he's right.

Adminus

2005-07-21, 2:46 am

Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In <42dedce6$0$3577$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, admin01@privacy.li_not
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Liar, You are in collusion with the NSA
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmm.. I'd say that he investigated and made his statements based on what
> anyone seriously investigating privacy.lie would find... That you are an
> NSA SHILL
>
>
>
>
> Like I give a XXXX. Gentelman or not, he's right.

Oh well, what a qualified reply:-) Guys like you are only loud and
strong if well protected by a keyboard.

Being a loser must really hurt, go and get some pain killers

Adminus

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-21, 2:46 am

In <HNMDOJHY38554.1049884259@anonymous.poster>, anonymous@panta-rhei.dyndns.org wrote:
>In article <42dea596$0$3558$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>
>Adminus <admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:
>
>So how come you endorse/resell DriveCrypt when one of its encryption
>algorithms (Blowfish) was designed by that nasty Jew himself? DriveCrypt
>includes a Zionist backdoor!
>
>AAAAAAAAUGH!

ROFLMFAO!!!!

Anonymous

2005-07-21, 7:46 am

In <42dede25$0$3562$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, admin01@privacy.li_not
wrote:
>Anonymous wrote:
>
>What other conclusion should i draw of his behavior?? We never had any
>contact before, I am not the coder of drivecrypt (nevertheless he
>attacked ME as such)
>
>So, what other than my political credos could have caused him to act in
>this unfair way???
>
>You give the answer...
>
>But honestly, business has doubled since his 'coverage', as lot's of
>people are out there who DO understand what is wrong and what is not.
>
>And there is no such thing as bad publicity, except your own obituary!

Ok, I'll get right to work on yours... and the reason for it.

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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-21, 5:48 pm

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:05:19 -0400, Adminus wrote:

>
> What I think of 1stdigibank is published on my website, also some users
> have expressed their opinion in various forums.

What forums might that be, I cannot find a shred of info on them via the
Search Engine approach.

> I know the owners, and I know they do a very good job. If they wouldn't
> the internet would be full of complaints and other bad mouthing. They do
> not want to be mainstream, and in my opinion this is the best choice.

Again, I cannot find *any* reviews on them. Can you be more forthcoming
about the owners, etc, info *not* on your website?

> Everything which becomes mainstream and is against vital big brother
> interests will soon disappear.

I doubt that. do you use FBID?

> The offshore concept is dead, since a few years, killed and buried by
> the US. And not because of money laundering or 'war on terrorism', but
> to catch the small tax evader or the 'stash-away-my-cash-guy'.
>
> Adminus

Not really, it's more selective and entirely depends on what you wish to
accomplish.

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John Smith

2005-07-22, 5:47 pm

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:57:44 -0400, in article
<42dede25$0$3562$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, Adminus
<admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:

<snip>

>What other conclusion should i draw of his behavior?? We never had any
>contact before, I am not the coder of drivecrypt (nevertheless he
>attacked ME as such)
>
>So, what other than my political credos could have caused him to act in
>this unfair way???
>
>You give the answer...
>

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...oghouse_pr.html

Actually, if you check your facts, I think you will find that you were
"attacked" because of your smoke and mirrors routine regarding the
location of Privacy.li and your laughable "security through obscurity"
attitude *NOT* just because you are a reseller/lapdog for Drivecrypt.
That simply appears to have been the final nail in your coffin for
Schneier.

Perhaps *YOU* should do your research on Schneier before spouting your
racist bullshit propaganda. You are making yourself look like quite
the fool.

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-22, 5:47 pm

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:49:32 GMT, John Smith wrote:

> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...oghouse_pr.html
>
> Actually, if you check your facts, I think you will find that you were
> "attacked" because of your smoke and mirrors routine regarding the
> location of Privacy.li and your laughable "security through obscurity"
> attitude *NOT* just because you are a reseller/lapdog for Drivecrypt.
> That simply appears to have been the final nail in your coffin for
> Schneier.

This would appear to be the case, John, and I have repeatedly asked Adminus
to clear the air regarding information on the bank in question. Whether
privacy.li is a good or evil is up to question but, at this point, since no
info is forthcoming from Adminus, FDOB is attached to their business
practices at the hip.

If FDIB is a strong and creditable institution, all the better. I would
have expected Adminus, since he claims to know the owners, to have better
taken care of his recommendation of them.
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-22, 5:47 pm

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:14:40 -0400, Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I have and am using this bank with great satisfaction. Do you have any
> particular questions? As to PI, I wouldn't trust them, Cotse and UA are no
> more forthcoming but at least they give factual info about who they are.

Yes, Chrissy, all 3 may be fine services but there is no way of knowing.
Stephen Gielda, at least, appears from time to time and you can "touch and
feel" him so to speak.
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2005-07-23, 2:46 am

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In <ssb2e1deop92ael3jagp0os8cdfcdtod08@4ax.com> John Smith <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:57:44 -0400, in article
><42dede25$0$3562$450c70f1@news.privacy.li>, Adminus
><admin01@privacy.li_not> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
>http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...oghouse_pr.html
>
>Actually, if you check your facts, I think you will find that you were
>"attacked" because of your smoke and mirrors routine regarding the
>location of Privacy.li and your laughable "security through obscurity"
>attitude *NOT* just because you are a reseller/lapdog for Drivecrypt.
>That simply appears to have been the final nail in your coffin for
>Schneier.
>
>Perhaps *YOU* should do your research on Schneier before spouting your
>racist bullshit propaganda. You are making yourself look like quite
>the fool.

That's not just looks, there's a real fool behind them.

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stingray@trilightzone.org

2005-07-23, 7:45 am

Adminus wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
>
> Oh well, what a qualified reply:-) Guys like you are only loud and
> strong if well protected by a keyboard.
>
> Being a loser must really hurt, go and get some pain killers
>
> Adminus

imho there are alot of people outthere who can't take it if there is a
service or business which they can't know or control. After reading all
the replies on privacy.li and fdib most are just jealous snakes, that's
how it feels reading it. For the rest i agree with adminus when it comes
to some "dude" on the other side of the world writes out of the blue
some lame article, it rather looks like he's running out of ideas to get
attention. No bad word over his crypto work for example. Even an amateur
journalist would try to do some research and contact before writing an
article rather than let his name do the rest. Anyway, for those guys
outthere who can only talk bad about stuff they can't grasp or have try
to bring some proof before wasting the time of all the people reading
this topic.

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:12:39 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:

> imho there are alot of people outthere who can't take it if there is a
> service or business which they can't know or control.

I can't control Bank Of Amrerica but I will give them my money in an
instant because I know them. How much money have you given FDIB?

> After reading all
> the replies on privacy.li and fdib most are just jealous snakes, that's
> how it feels reading it.

I don't know what you are reading, I'm interested not jealous. What do you
know of FDIB?

> Anyway, for those guys
> outthere who can only talk bad about stuff they can't grasp or have try
> to bring some proof before wasting the time of all the people reading
> this topic.

Proof, love to see some. Got any info on FDIB?
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stingray@trilightzone.org

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:12:39 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I can't control Bank Of Amrerica but I will give them my money in an
> instant because I know them. How much money have you given FDIB?
>
>
>
>
> I don't know what you are reading, I'm interested not jealous. What do you
> know of FDIB?
>
>
>
>
> Proof, love to see some. Got any info on FDIB?

Well, giving your money to Bank of America is like asking bush to
restrict your freedom more and wage more wars he can't win.

stingray@trilightzone.org

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:12:39 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I can't control Bank Of Amrerica but I will give them my money in an
> instant because I know them. How much money have you given FDIB?
>
>
>
>
> I don't know what you are reading, I'm interested not jealous. What do you
> know of FDIB?
>
>
>
>
> Proof, love to see some. Got any info on FDIB?

PS: what's the point of an anonymous bankingnetwork if everything is
revealed ? ;)

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:53:53 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:

>
> Well, giving your money to Bank of America is like asking bush to
> restrict your freedom more and wage more wars he can't win.

Who do you bank with that has no compromises?
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:59:07 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:

>
> PS: what's the point of an anonymous bankingnetwork if everything is
> revealed ? ;)

Find me one person other than Adminus and Chrissy Cruiser that has had a
long term positive experience with FDIB.
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stingray@trilightzone.org

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:59:07 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Find me one person other than Adminus and Chrissy Cruiser that has had a
> long term positive experience with FDIB.

There are enough people who are very content with FDIB, they chose it
for a reason, so for that same reason they won't come here and write
stories how great it was and is. You must understand this i hope.
And the few rotten applies, well, you got those everywhere, can't make
everyone happy, this is just how reality is for every thing we
experience in our lives.

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:12:40 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> There are enough people who are very content with FDIB, they chose it
> for a reason, so for that same reason they won't come here and write
> stories how great it was and is. You must understand this i hope.

All I understand is that you make foundationless comments, have no personal
reports on FDIB and that in all of Usenet, the web and researchable
Internet, not one single solitary review, comment, good, bad or otherwise.
For all I know, it's a CIA website or a dark hole to throw away money into.

> And the few rotten applies, well, you got those everywhere, can't make
> everyone happy, this is just how reality is for every thing we
> experience in our lives.

Reality lies in my statement above. Why not put 1,000 Euros in there and
come back and let me know what happens in three months?
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stingray@trilightzone.org

2005-07-23, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:12:40 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
>
>
> All I understand is that you make foundationless comments, have no personal
> reports on FDIB and that in all of Usenet, the web and researchable
> Internet, not one single solitary review, comment, good, bad or otherwise.
> For all I know, it's a CIA website or a dark hole to throw away money into.
>
>
>
>
> Reality lies in my statement above. Why not put 1,000 Euros in there and
> come back and let me know what happens in three months?

Personally i understand your concerns ofcourse. Something which is quite
new and is not screaming all over the internet for attention does give
such effects. Anyway, every one is free to drop a few bucks in there and
wait your 3 months, not that much will happen beside that your bucks are
the same as the moment they got there.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-24, 2:46 am

In <42e279ac$0$10991$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>
>There are enough people who are very content with FDIB, they chose it
>for a reason, so for that same reason they won't come here and write
>stories how great it was and is. You must understand this i hope.
>And the few rotten applies, well, you got those everywhere, can't make
>everyone happy, this is just how reality is for every thing we
>experience in our lives.

Lies. All Lies.

FDIB is an NSA Front.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-24, 2:46 am

In <42e28915$0$11057$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>Ari Silversteinn wrote:
>
>Personally i understand your concerns ofcourse. Something which is quite
>new and is not screaming all over the internet for attention does give
>such effects. Anyway, every one is free to drop a few bucks in there and
>wait your 3 months, not that much will happen beside that your bucks are
>the same as the moment they got there.

yeah... not yours anymore

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-24, 7:45 am

In <1h388obkpztjr$.yxvajqppnq0p$.dlg@40tude.net>, abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz wrote:
>
>On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:12:40 +0200, stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
>All I understand is that you make foundationless comments, have no personal
>reports on FDIB and that in all of Usenet, the web and researchable
>Internet, not one single solitary review, comment, good, bad or otherwise.
>For all I know, it's a CIA website or a dark hole to throw away money into.

You're right except on one point. It's not CIA, but NSA that is behind the First Digital International Bank. They are trying to datamine more money transactions on an international scale.

>
>Reality lies in my statement above. Why not put 1,000 Euros in there and
>come back and let me know what happens in three months?
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nemo_outis

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote in
news:EVADMMS038557.6428587963@reece.net.au:

> In <42e279ac$0$10991$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,
> stingray@trilightzone.org wrote:
>
>
> Lies. All Lies.
>
> FDIB is an NSA Front.
>
>

No, young Jedi, the NSA is a FDIB front. Only now at the end, do you
understand...

Regards,

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

On 24 Jul 2005 09:19:29 -0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:

>
> You're right except on one point. It's not CIA, but NSA that is behind the First Digital International Bank. They are trying to datamine more money transactions on an international scale.

And you know this how?
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:38:02 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

> No, young Jedi, the NSA is a FDIB front. Only now at the end, do you
> understand...

And *you* know this how?
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nemo_outis

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn <abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz> wrote in
news:1rrew078wwfwe$.1xzeqazq57e8a$.dlg@40tude.net:

> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:38:02 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
>
>
> And *you* know this how?

You really are a humourless moron, aren't you?

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:37:52 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

> Ari Silversteinn <abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz> wrote in
> news:1rrew078wwfwe$.1xzeqazq57e8a$.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>
> You really are a humourless moron, aren't you?

Who's being humorless now, nemo? So, I take it that you do not know
anything of real value to add to this thread.

You may return to being a TROLL, nemo.
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nemo_outis

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

Ari Silversteinn <abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz> wrote in
news:1cyhzuz0dzx7e$.1przfqrb77led$.dlg@40tude.net:

> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:37:52 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
>
>
> Who's being humorless now, nemo? So, I take it that you do not know
> anything of real value to add to this thread.
>
> You may return to being a TROLL, nemo.

De umbra asini disceptare.

Your idle and pointless speculation is worthy of a contribution? Any more
than you multiply-repeated gratuitous and mindless reply of "And you know
this how?"?

What a dolt you are!

So, I will now leave you, you useless pimple on the arse of humanity, to
further indulge the mental masturbation you substitute for thought.

Regards,

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

In <1cyhzuz0dzx7e$.1przfqrb77led$.dlg@40tude.net>, abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:37:52 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
>
>
>Who's being humorless now, nemo? So, I take it that you do not know
>anything of real value to add to this thread.
>
>You may return to being a TROLL, nemo.
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two things:

1)
[vbcol=seagreen]

was a JOKE.. Hell, even *I* got it and i'm humor impaired as all get out!

2) you've been referring to nemo_outis as if that were a particular individual. this is incorrect. nemo_outis is simply the default 'From: ' line for a remailer, It is applied to all posts made by anyone through that remailer.

Thrasher Remailer

2005-07-24, 5:46 pm

In <12umy7xxgmp3w$.1vx0pqur6fzis.dlg@40tude.net>, abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz wrote:
>On 24 Jul 2005 09:19:29 -0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:
>
>
>And you know this how?

For the humor impaired, the preceding post was a joke.

nemo_outis

2005-07-25, 2:46 am

Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote in
news:NMDLIJPS38558.2902083333@reece.net.au:

> In <1cyhzuz0dzx7e$.1przfqrb77led$.dlg@40tude.net>,
> abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz wrote:
>
>
>
> two things:
>
> 1)
>
>
> was a JOKE.. Hell, even *I* got it and i'm humor impaired as all get
> out!
>
> 2) you've been referring to nemo_outis as if that were a particular
> individual. this is incorrect. nemo_outis is simply the default
> 'From: ' line for a remailer, It is applied to all posts made by
> anyone through that remailer.

Two points:

1) Yes, it was intended as a joke.

2) There really is a nemo outis - me! You're probably thinking of "nomen
nescio" (Literally: I know not [his] name.) which is a catchall name used
by some remailers. Incidentally, nemo means "no one" in Latin and outis
also means "no one," but in Greek.

Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 7:50 am

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:10:17 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

> So, I will now leave you,

Thanks, TROLL, leave us our discussions.
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 7:50 am

On 24 Jul 2005 22:57:54 -0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:

> you've been referring to nemo_outis as if that were a particular individual. this is incorrect. nemo_outis is simply the default 'From: ' line for a remailer

Speaking of incorrect........there is a nemo outis TROLL and now a Thrasher
Remailer one.
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 7:50 am

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:30:39 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

> Two points:

Sorry, not interested unless you have info on FDIB.
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remailer@invalid.com

2005-07-25, 5:47 pm

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>On 24 Jul 2005 22:57:54 -0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:
>
>
>Speaking of incorrect........there is a nemo outis TROLL and now a Thrasher
>Remailer one.

Speaking of trolls, lets not forget the Individual.net 40tude_Dialog/2.0.14.1 Troll

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2005-07-25, 5:47 pm

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In <1a8wi018ol0rd.2inld4bjatln.dlg@40tude.net> Ari Silversteinn <abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 03:30:39 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
>
>
>Sorry, not interested unless you have info on FDIB.

Dude, NOBODY has info on FDIB.

personally, I think the other guy is right, that it's a TLA front.

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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 5:47 pm

remailer@invalid.com wrote:

> Speaking of trolls,

Yes, you are invalid, TROLL, unless you have something to relay regarding
the subject, TROLL.
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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 5:47 pm

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT), anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca wrote:

> Dude, NOBODY has info on FDIB.

So it appears. You going to give them your money?

> personally, I think the other guy is right, that it's a TLA front.

Who said that?
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In <14w8bo7iz2dnz$.153ekg85d2nq0$.dlg@40tude.net> Ari Silversteinn <abcarisilverstein@yahoo.comxyz> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT), anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca wrote:
>
>
>So it appears. You going to give them your money?

Without a LOT more information about them... Hell No.

>
>Who said that?

Nobody, it's just an unfounded suspicion on my part that FDIB is going to have
to disprove before I would even consider thinking about trusting them.

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Ari Silversteinn

2005-07-25, 5:47 pm

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:24:56 +0200, mixminion-nobody@frell.theremailer.net
wrote:

>
> Nobody, it's just an unfounded suspicion on my part that FDIB is going to have
> to disprove before I would even consider thinking about trusting them.

And now to the crux, FDIB is an invisible anomaly, even Adminus of
privacy.li won't step forward with any useful info on them (claims he knows
them personally, so what?) but he is willing to sell their name with strong
referrals. I believe, along with Scheinier's comments, that this puts both
FDIB and privacy.li in bad light.

I wonder if privacy.li has any financial interest in FDIB?
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