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[Anon] Persona

2005-09-20, 2:46 am

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I've got Reliable installed, but now it's time to get
a remailer name, domain name, and email addresses.

One company offers the domain at about $9.00, and
I can get 5 email addresses for another $19.00.

I assume I will need more than one email address:

Remailer
RemailerAdmin
remailer-keys
remailer-help?
Others?

Persona
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BiKiKii Admin

2005-09-20, 2:46 am

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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, [Anon] Persona wrote:

>I've got Reliable installed, but now it's time to get
>a remailer name, domain name, and email addresses.
>
>One company offers the domain at about $9.00, and
>I can get 5 email addresses for another $19.00.
>

Hello,

First - You do not *need* to own a domain.
You can get a free one from many sources.
We do not own bikikii.ath.cx
In either case once you have a domain name all the addresses for that domain *belong* to you.

>I assume I will need more than one email address:
>

You will need at least 3, I would recommend at least 4 if you run a pinger[1]

>Remailer
>

Yes.

>RemailerAdmin

You need an Admin.
Mailservers must accept mail to postmaster@ which is usually aliased to Admin.
You may also alias the remailer admin to the admin account(if you want a seperate address).

>remailer-keys
>remailer-help?

You don't need those;
mail-to: remailer@[...]?subject=remailer-keys ,
mail-to: remailer@[...]?subject=remailer-help ,
etc. will return the requested files.

>Others?
>

You need a bounce address, so that bounced mail can be returned.

[1] It is best, in my opinion, to have a pinger address on a seperate domain.
Or a least a seperate address which is NOT aliased to the remailer address.
Else the pinger will show incorrect latency for your remailer.

Examples:

Amigo's stats show:
amigo 100000100000 :14
But latency is really +2:00

Panta's stats show:
panta 4000000000D3 1:09
But latency is really +3:00

Ciao!

BiKiKii

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Thomas J. Boschloo

2005-09-20, 7:46 am

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[Anon] Persona wrote:

> I've got Reliable installed, but now it's time to get
> a remailer name, domain name, and email addresses.
>
> One company offers the domain at about $9.00, and
> I can get 5 email addresses for another $19.00.
>
> I assume I will need more than one email address:
>
> Remailer
> RemailerAdmin
> remailer-keys
> remailer-help?
> Others?

I have never actually done it myself, but if I understand correctly you
can fill in an MX record at your DNS entry and have Mercury run at that
IP. Then you can have all the e-mail addresses you want, have limitless
disk space and no problems with your ISP because of abuse of their
e-mail addresses (at their server instead of yours).

Also, I don't know if it was you, but you don't want to run spam filters
at your remailer. If it is not pgp/mix encrypted and non-dup-detected
invalid messages will get dropped anyway.

Thomas
- --
Life is like a videogame with no chance to win - ATR
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panta-admin

2005-09-20, 7:46 am

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Hi Bikikii Admin !

>[1] It is best, in my opinion, to have a pinger address on a seperate domain.
> Or a least a seperate address which is NOT aliased to the remailer
>address.
> Else the pinger will show incorrect latency for your remailer.

Ah, this is nice ! I have seen that effect, and was trying to figure out
how to circumvent it. Never thought of separate email adress though !

Could you elaborate a bit more, so I can change my setup accordingly ?

Thanks,
panta-admin

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Persona

2005-09-20, 5:55 pm

In article
BiKiKii Admin <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
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>
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, [Anon] Persona wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> First - You do not *need* to own a domain.
> You can get a free one from many sources.
> We do not own bikikii.ath.cx
> In either case once you have a domain name all the addresses for that domain *belong* to you.

I'm not quite sure I follow. Let's say I do pay and get a domain
name. Can I just "create" any email address, or does that
somehow rely on the service the provides the domain name?
They imply that I get "One free email address" or I can buy
an additional 5 (with 1 gig of storage). Is that a good
deal for $20.00?

Or am I just paying for what I already would have anyway?
(I haven't installed Mercury yet, but I've got it, and
I'm contemplating it....).
>
>
> You will need at least 3, I would recommend at least 4 if you run a pinger[1]
>
>
> Yes.

Ok, so let's say the remailer is called "farkle."
farkle@mydomain.org would be the remailer, or would it
be "farkleremailer@mydomain.org"? Or does it matter?
Should "remailer" be in the domain name?
>
>
> You need an Admin.

FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org?

> Mailservers must accept mail to postmaster@ which is usually aliased to Admin.

Does that mean FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org, or
postmaster@mydomain.org?

> You may also alias the remailer admin to the admin account(if you want a seperate address).

I don't follow this. Can you illustrate using the Farkle
example?
>
>
> You don't need those;
> mail-to: remailer@[...]?subject=remailer-keys ,
> mail-to: remailer@[...]?subject=remailer-help ,
> etc. will return the requested files.

Ok, I think I understand this, but is this done by reliable?
>
>
> You need a bounce address, so that bounced mail can be returned.

Bounce@mydomain.com?
>
> [1] It is best, in my opinion, to have a pinger address on a seperate domain.
> Or a least a seperate address which is NOT aliased to the remailer address.
> Else the pinger will show incorrect latency for your remailer.
>
> Examples:
>
> Amigo's stats show:
> amigo 100000100000 :14
> But latency is really +2:00
>
> Panta's stats show:
> panta 4000000000D3 1:09
> But latency is really +3:00
>
>
> Ciao!
>
> BiKiKii
>
I think I'll start out using other's stats and be a middleman.

I understand how a separate email address would be useful for
checking one's own latency however.

Persona

BiKiKii Admin

2005-09-20, 5:55 pm

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On 20 Sep 2005, panta-admin wrote:

Hello Panta,

>Could you elaborate a bit more, so I can change my setup accordingly ?
>

If the remailer address is used as the Ping Response Address,
Reliable will process the mail then immediately process the ping.
The ping is never given any latency except that of the MTA process.

An explanation of how it is done here at BiKiKii using Mercury.

Mercury has a user "pinger" and Reliable's Ping Response Address is pinger@[...]
We use Mercury's POP3 client to retrieve mail from pinger and deliver it to the remailer.
The benefit is two fold:
1.) We eliminate the no latency ping processing as described above.
2.) Pings are processed (stats rebuilt) just a few times per hour as opposed
to each time a ping response is received.

Earlier I wrote to NOT alias the pinger to the remailer, it is however acceptable to do so.
The second benefit listed above is the reason aliasing is not used here.
Aliasing is most likely a viable option with your employment of Postfix.

Ciao!

BiKiKii

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>Date: Tue Sep 20 06:34:42 2005
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>
>Hi Bikikii Admin !
>
>
>Ah, this is nice ! I have seen that effect, and was trying to figure out
>how to circumvent it. Never thought of separate email adress though !
>
>Could you elaborate a bit more, so I can change my setup accordingly ?
>
>Thanks,
>panta-admin
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BiKiKii Admin

2005-09-20, 5:55 pm

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On 20 Sep 2005, Persona wrote:
>BiKiKii Admin wrote:
>
>Let's say I do pay and get a domain name.
>Can I just "create" any email address, or does that
>somehow rely on the service the provides the domain name?
>

Yes any xxxxx@[...] , with wildcards any xxxx@xxxx.[...] , etc.

>They imply that I get "One free email address" or I can buy
>an additional 5 (with 1 gig of storage).
>Is that a good deal for $20.00?
>
>Or am I just paying for what I already would have anyway?
>(I haven't installed Mercury yet, but I've got it, and I'm contemplating it....).
>

With Mercury you can have virtually an unlimited number of email addresses.
Maybe not unlimited, but I've seen admins report having a few thousand users.

>Ok, so let's say the remailer is called "farkle."
>farkle@mydomain.org would be the remailer, or would it
>be "farkleremailer@mydomain.org"? Or does it matter?

Does not matter. The remailer "shortname" must be eight characters or less.
(alphanumeric - no spaces)

>Should "remailer" be in the domain name?

No.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org?
>

Sure[1].

>
>Does that mean FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org,
>or postmaster@mydomain.org?
>

When you setup Mercury you'll need to setup one user as the Mail System Administrator.
That user will receive mail addressed to postmaster@[...]

>
>I don't follow this.
>Can you illustrate using the Farkle example?
>

OK this is probably more complicated than need be,
especially if you've not installed Mercury, but here it goes...

You setup Mercury with three usernames(mailboxes): winkin, blinkin and nod
The Mail System Administrator is set to be winkin
Your remailer will be called "farkle" and the remailer address will be farkle@mydomain.org

You alias admin@mydomain.org and remailer-admin@mydomain.org to winkin
Mail sent to admin@mydomain.org , remailer-admin@mydomain.org and
postmaster@mydomain.org will be delivered to the winkin mailbox.

You alias farkle@mydomain.org to blinkin
Mail sent to farkle@mydomain.org will be delivered to the blinkin mailbox.

You alias bounce@mydomain.org to nod
Mail sent to bounce@mydomain.org will be delivered to the nod mailbox.

(more complicated than need be)

>
>Ok, I think I understand this, but is this done by reliable?
>

Yes, Reliable 1.05 will respond to requests for...

remailer-keys , remailer-conf , remailer-stats (same as conf) , remailer-help

With code modifications(or Panta's version) remailer-adminkey

>
>Bounce@mydomain.com?

Sure[1].
[1]email addresses are not case sensitive but lowercase looks nicer.

Ciao!

BiKiKii

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Amigo Admin

2005-09-21, 7:46 am

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In article <A9D1F9741C6@bikikii.ath.cx>
BiKiKii Admin <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

> You need a bounce address, so that bounced mail can be returned.
>
> [1] It is best, in my opinion, to have a pinger address on a seperate domain.
> Or a least a seperate address which is NOT aliased to the remailer address.
> Else the pinger will show incorrect latency for your remailer.
>
> Examples:
>
> Amigo's stats show:
> amigo 100000100000 :14
> But latency is really +2:00

But that 14 minutes IS the latency of Amigo. Any latency above
14 minutes is down to other remailers that have been chained
prior to the final destination as my remailer is a middleman
only mailer. I could whitelist pinger operators in mixmaster,
like some Remops do, to make Amigo "look good" in other people's
stats, but I choose not to.

My pinger address is not aliased to my remailer address, it is
on the same domain and the remailer's domain is allowed as exit
from my middleman remailer. 14 minutes is the amount of time, on
average, that will be added if the chain ends in amigo and the
destination is to a whitelisted address (amigo does act as an
exit occasionally - for example, on posts to the remops list).
It is also the amount of latency that will be added when amigo
is used as part of a chain (as all other remailers are
whiltelisted by default). It is important for people to know
this time.

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panta-admin

2005-09-21, 7:46 am

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Hi Bikikii !

>An explanation of how it is done here at BiKiKii using Mercury.
>
>Mercury has a user "pinger" and Reliable's Ping Response Address is
>pinger@[...]
>We use Mercury's POP3 client to retrieve mail from pinger and deliver it
>to the remailer.
>The benefit is two fold:
>1.) We eliminate the no latency ping processing as described above.

While I understand your setup, i do not see why this gets around the
no-latency pings.
Reliable will still send the message to the ping@ address immediately, and
will get it back as soon as you fetch it from the pop3 box ? Where would
the delay come from ?

>2.) Pings are processed (stats rebuilt) just a few times per hour as opposed
> to each time a ping response is received.

This would ease load. Maybe I set up fetchmail to do that.

Still puzzled,
Cheers,
panta-admin

>
>Earlier I wrote to NOT alias the pinger to the remailer, it is however
>acceptable to do so.
>The second benefit listed above is the reason aliasing is not used here.
>Aliasing is most likely a viable option with your employment of Postfix.
>
>
>Ciao!
>
>BiKiKii
>
>
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Thrasher Remailer

2005-09-21, 7:46 am

In article <432fd4da$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
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>
> [Anon] Persona wrote:
>
>
> I have never actually done it myself, but if I understand correctly you
> can fill in an MX record at your DNS entry and have Mercury run at that
> IP. Then you can have all the e-mail addresses you want, have limitless
> disk space and no problems with your ISP because of abuse of their
> e-mail addresses (at their server instead of yours).

He needs a static IP for his MX host ideally, and a computer
with constant connection (cable/ADSL) running an MTA (like
Mercury as you suggest).

Alternatively, he could use dynamic DNS - but if he chooses to
do that with his mail server, I would definately recommend a
secondary MX host on a static IP.

roadburner

2005-09-21, 5:47 pm

On 20 Sep 2005 13:16:28 -0000, Persona <persona@non.grata> wrote:

>In article
>BiKiKii Admin <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>I'm not quite sure I follow. Let's say I do pay and get a domain
>name. Can I just "create" any email address, or does that
>somehow rely on the service the provides the domain name?
>They imply that I get "One free email address" or I can buy
>an additional 5 (with 1 gig of storage). Is that a good
>deal for $20.00?
>
>Or am I just paying for what I already would have anyway?
>(I haven't installed Mercury yet, but I've got it, and
>I'm contemplating it....).
>
>Ok, so let's say the remailer is called "farkle."
>farkle@mydomain.org would be the remailer, or would it
>be "farkleremailer@mydomain.org"? Or does it matter?
>Should "remailer" be in the domain name?
>
>FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org?
>
>
>Does that mean FarkleAdmin@mydomain.org, or
>postmaster@mydomain.org?
>
>
>I don't follow this. Can you illustrate using the Farkle
>example?
>
>Ok, I think I understand this, but is this done by reliable?
>
>Bounce@mydomain.com?
>I think I'll start out using other's stats and be a middleman.
>
>I understand how a separate email address would be useful for
>checking one's own latency however.
>
>Persona
>
>

I looked into getting a domain and have it hosted. The best one I found would
only allow 200 messages per hour (though they advertised unlimited bandwidth).
On questioning them about it, they wrote me that if I tried to send more than
that, it would likely cause my mail client to "hang". Very bad for a remailer
that may run unattended for hours at a time.

Here is a quote from one site I received back when asking about it:

"You don't need unmetered bandwidth anyway. Our Mega package has 60 Gb
bandwidth. Just make sure you don't send more then 100 emails per hour."

100 emails per hour is not that much under a peak load.

I did get a domain name to prevent DynDns from possible abuse. All e-mail will
be in and out of my domain from my PC.

I have set up Mercury on the PC that will be dedicated to a remailer and Tor
server.

I installed JBN and queued 300 messages to myself at several different email
accounts.

They were gone in almost no time flat. They all arrived at their destinations.

I am a little slow getting it going. I took some extra security measures with
the PC to be sure it wasn't compromised. I did a complete wipe of the hard
drive. I reformatted it. Reinstalled the OS. Loaded it up with the Mcaffe PC
security suite including virus scan, firewall, and a privacy manager. I am
testing it out thoroughly first. I have not installed any of my keys yet.

But back on topic, using Mercury with your own domain name seems to be the
easiest solution (at least for me). There is no limits imposed on mail sent or
retrieved other than how fast you can process them.

Regards,
roadburner

BiKiKii Admin

2005-09-24, 5:47 pm

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On 21 Sep 2005, Amigo Admin wrote:

>Signature: 0x957C2C2D amigo remailer admin
>Date: Wed Sep 21 02:50:37 2005
>Status: OK (Invalid)
>
>In article <A9D1F9741C6@bikikii.ath.cx> BiKiKii Admin wrote:
>
>
>But that 14 minutes IS the latency of Amigo.
>I could whitelist pinger operators in mixmaster, like some Remops do,
>to make Amigo "look good" in other people's stats, but I choose not to.
>

OK that explains the vast difference.

<http://beta-stats.bananasplit.info/amigo.txt>

Thanks.

Ciao!

BiKiKii

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BiKiKii Admin

2005-09-24, 5:47 pm

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On 21 Sep 2005, panta-admin wrote:

>Signature: 0xA6A032C8 Panta Rhei Admin DSS [Expires 23.02.2008]
>Date: Wed Sep 21 05:38:49 2005
>Status: OK (Invalid)
>

Hello Panta,

>
>While I understand your setup, i do not see why this gets around the
>no-latency pings.
>Reliable will still send the message to the ping@ address immediately, and
>will get it back as soon as you fetch it from the pop3 box ? Where would
>the delay come from ?
>

The message receives latency just like any other remailer message.

When the remailer's address is used as the Ping Response Address,
once the encrypted ping message is received it will never leave Reliable.

Follow...

Reliable creates a encrypted CPunk ping and mails the message to the remailer.
The remailer receives the message and decrypts it.
Inside is the directive to Remail-To the remailer's address.
When Reliable sees that it will process the message again internaly.

I'm probably not explaining this very well.

If you create an example you'll see what I am meaning.

In JBN create a message to some address, 3 remailers - all Panta.

Panta
Panta
Panta

Make Reliable show verbose and place that message into Reliable's Mailin.
When that one message is processed it will look like:

00:00 Processing started
00:00 JBNAKXG 1 of 1 (24-Sep-05 00:00)
00:00 O4E4WT83.ML0 1 of 1 (24-Sep-05 00:00)
00:00 M9EEQKOW.ML0 1 of 1 (24-Sep-05 00:00)
00:00 Processing done.

Same thing happens with the ping, first decrpted then ping is processed.
However when an adress that Reliable does not know i.e. ping@
the ping is then placed in the mailout with latency added.

Hopefully I've made that a bit more clear?

Ciao!

BiKiKii

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