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Thanks Mr T

noyb

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

Just did a remailer config on you. Interesting, a much shorter
list!

ANON-POST-TO - BLOCKED NEWSGROUPS
alt.binaries.pictures.underage.*
alt.binaries.pgp
alt.flame.niggers
soc.men*
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated*
fl.general*
soc.culture.cuba*
soc.men*
rec.ponds
alt.usenet.kooks
news.admin.net-abuse.email

Doing some homework ;) ??????

Thank You!
noyb

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

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On 1 Jan 2006 16:29:13 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (noyb)
wrote:

>Just did a remailer config on you. Interesting, a much shorter
>list!
>
>ANON-POST-TO - BLOCKED NEWSGROUPS
>alt.binaries.pictures.underage.*
>alt.binaries.pgp
>alt.flame.niggers
>soc.men*
>alt.dads-rights.unmoderated*
>fl.general*
>soc.culture.cuba*
>soc.men*
>rec.ponds
>alt.usenet.kooks
>news.admin.net-abuse.email
>
>Doing some homework ;) ??????
>
>
>Thank You!
>noyb
>

Yes, I am. I tend to shoot first and look later

I do disapprove of
using re-mailers for harassment. I am still searching for that "middle
ground" where harassment is not the primary use of the re-mailer in certain
groups, but freedom of speech is. There are a few groups I will not budge
on. Those will always and forever stay blocked. Call those the "tough shit
if you don't like it" groups. I won't carry them. They are the top 3 in the
list. I will not and do not have to explain my reasoning there to anyone.
Just "tough shit".

I have also modified my help file a little bit, particularly the section on
abuse.

Forged names is my biggest headache. I have inserted blocks to protect
fellow RemOps from forgeries of their names (I have seen it done, including
my own).

For some people that normally post through a regular news service, I have
inserted blocks to prevent forging their names at their request. These
people are from every corner of the world and Usenet groups I have never
seen nor can read because of the language, or my own news server does not
carry them. For some that post anonymously but always use the same name,
screw it, news readers have kill filters. We have one show up here on
occasion. Yesterday I had been asked to block that name. Nope, since he
always uses re-mailers and posts under the same name, he does not own it,
real or not, he deserves no special consideration. Others forge his
anonymous name. So what? Beyond my control. Protection or prohibition is
not warranted. If he were exceeding established spam limits, that would be
another story. He is not.

As I said, I am looking for a balance where the benefits outweigh the bad.

I have 1 more day off. I will listen to any reasonable arguments pro or
con, but don't take very kindly to threats or asinine comments. I am more
likely to dig in and fire back. I am far too old to change now.

It may take some time, but eventually I will find a middle ground that
satisfies the majority of users. I am always open to reasonable and
thoughtful opinions and suggestions.

Thanks for the Thanks

TwistyCreek Admin

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moose

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

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> I have inserted blocks to protect fellow RemOps
> from forgeries of their names (I have seen it done,
> including my own).

???

I see edm.general is gone... there's definately a problem with
permanent blocks on "legal" groups where an idiot or two has
decided to use your remailer to trash the group. From looking
at rec.ponds it seems they needed a "U-mod :-)" to give the
flooder's X-complaints-to contact a call, etc. (since that wasn't
even a remailer job). Some of the other crap in the past may well
have used a remailer. If so, I takes about 10 minutes at most to
see there's lots of evidence that this group is currently
"under-attack" by assholes.

I really hate to concur with what appeared in aaaabbbccd's "[INFO]"
but clearly defined periodic review dates might be a nice addition
as well (instead of waiting for someone to post an inappropriately
named thread (that just won't die -lol)).

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TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

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On 1 Jan 2006 19:13:56 -0000, moose <moose@nym.alias.net> wrote:

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>
>
>???
>
>I see edm.general is gone... there's definately a problem with
>permanent blocks on "legal" groups where an idiot or two has
>decided to use your remailer to trash the group. From looking
>at rec.ponds it seems they needed a "U-mod :-)" to give the
>flooder's X-complaints-to contact a call, etc. (since that wasn't
>even a remailer job). Some of the other crap in the past may well
>have used a remailer. If so, I takes about 10 minutes at most to
>see there's lots of evidence that this group is currently
>"under-attack" by assholes.
>
>I really hate to concur with what appeared in aaaabbbccd's "[INFO]"
>but clearly defined periodic review dates might be a nice addition
>as well (instead of waiting for someone to post an inappropriately
>named thread (that just won't die -lol)).
>

Yup, I planned on periodic review times. Thanks, I will add I will do that
in my help file. Since my list has shrunk, it won't be too much effort

I feel sorry for the folks in rec.ponds. They have been getting hammered
for quite some time by crossposting. It is a hobby group.

BTW, do you remember when you were having trouble connecting to other
re-mailers and someone suggested you change the smtp server name? That was
me. I learned that the "hard way". Are you still having problems connecting
to Dizum?

I was in a hotel room about an 7 or 8 hour drive from home. I used a VPN to
access my home/office computer from the hotel. For some reason I couldn't
post directly from Agent. I could read, but couldn't post? I was able to
open JBN on the home/office PC and make that post. I still have not figured
that one out. It might have been that I was using the Comcast news on the
home/office PC like I am doing now. I had Giganews setup on the re-mailer
PC. I can't access Comcast news unless I am tied directly to Comcast. Some
quirk somewhere.

I have been off several days through the holidays and still have not gotten
around to installing JBN and stuff onto my work laptop.

Bought a new digital camera and dye sublimation printer and have spent most
of the time fooling around with them. Toys for boys

Thanks Moose. Looking forward to when you get the new box going.

Regards,
TwistyCreek Admin

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Anonymous

2006-01-01, 8:46 pm

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:12:43 -0500, TwistyCreek Admin
<admin^@^twistycreek^.^com> wrote:
<snip>
>As I said, I am looking for a balance where the benefits outweigh the bad.
>
>It may take some time, but eventually I will find a middle ground that
>satisfies the majority of users. I am always open to reasonable and
>thoughtful opinions and suggestions.
>

Thanks for listening, and working so hard to get things 'right'.
I've learned much by watching your journey, so I hope you will keep posting
here.

All the best for 2006....

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-01, 8:46 pm

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On 2 Jan 2006 00:56:50 -0000, Anonymous
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:12:43 -0500, TwistyCreek Admin
><admin^@^twistycreek^.^com> wrote:
><snip>
>
>Thanks for listening, and working so hard to get things 'right'.
>I've learned much by watching your journey, so I hope you will keep
>posting here.
>
>All the best for 2006....
>
>

The same to you. May 2006 be the best for all of us.

Thanks for staying with me during this time. It is a mixed bag I am trying
to sort out. With some intelligent help, I'll get it right

I am
committed to re-mailers and have been for over 10 years.

Please remember, though I have used re-mailers for many years, I never
operated one until now. I had no idea the RemOps had it so tough. Quite a
dilemma sometimes.

I will try to keep an open mind to nearly everything.

Warmest Regards,
TwistyCreek Admin

PS: Should I add some cussing in so no one gets a warm and fuzzy feeling?
Kidding

I am learning a lot. I depend on reasonable people to offer me guidance.
THAT, I truly welcome and appreciate

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Anonymous

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:13:56 +0000, moose wrote:

>
> I really hate to concur with what appeared in aaaabbbccd's "[INFO]" but
> clearly defined periodic review dates might be a nice addition as well
> (instead of waiting for someone to post an inappropriately named thread
> (that just won't die -lol)).

That paragraph is incomprehensible to me, which may be my fault; but could
you restate it, please?

I think what aaabbc said, was that he had used a graduated method of
applying pressure to people who used the remailer to send messages to
groups that had problems:

First, add a disclaimer to messages going to the group, and remove the
option for changing the 'from' header; and if that does not work, add
filters for the content of messages that are causing the problem; and if
that fails, block the newsgroup temporarily.

If a programmer manqué like aaabbc can write code to do that, I don't see
why the true programmers who also run remailers cannot as well.

In fact, I am very disappointed in the lack of imagination that our remailer
operators who are also true programmers, show, since it is they who are in
the best position to know what is needed, and are most qualified to effect
the needed changes.

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:18:48 -0500 (EST), Anonymous
<anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:13:56 +0000, moose wrote:
>
>
>That paragraph is incomprehensible to me, which may be my fault; but could
>you restate it, please?
>
>I think what aaabbc said, was that he had used a graduated method of
>applying pressure to people who used the remailer to send messages to
>groups that had problems:
>
>First, add a disclaimer to messages going to the group, and remove the
>option for changing the 'from' header; and if that does not work, add
>filters for the content of messages that are causing the problem; and if
>that fails, block the newsgroup temporarily.
>
>If a programmer manqué like aaabbc can write code to do that, I don't see
>why the true programmers who also run remailers cannot as well.
>
>In fact, I am very disappointed in the lack of imagination that our
>remailer operators who are also true programmers, show, since it is they
>who are in the best position to know what is needed, and are most
>qualified to effect the needed changes.

I can't do it if I wanted to (and I don't). I don't program anything in the
traditional sense.

I use function blocks:
Lead/Lag
Pulse Multipliers
Summers
Counters
Timers
Extended Math Function
Function Generators

I do not know VB or any other language except special script that runs on
commercial programmable logic controllers.

Count me out Eelbash!

TwistyCreek Admin

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Dingo Admin

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>In fact, I am very disappointed in the lack of imagination that our remailer
>operators who are also true programmers, show, since it is they who are in
>the best position to know what is needed, and are most qualified to effect
>the needed changes.

The fact that *you* are disappointed in me makes my day. I must be doing
something right.

The reason a "true programmer" like me doesn't go fiddling around in the
guts of a time-tested, solid program like Reliable or JBN is this:

The Law of Unintended Consequences

I am also not quite so arrogant to believe that what *I* think is best for
the remailer network is necessarily truly best for the network. I have been
wrong before. I'm sure it will happen again. I'd really hate for it to
happen and expose a bunch of people or accidentally out them.

Dingo Admin
dingoadmin@dingoremailer.com

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Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

2006-01-02, 5:48 pm

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:56:32 +0000, Dingo Admin wrote:

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> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
> The fact that *you* are disappointed in me makes my day. I must be doing
> something right.
>
> The reason a "true programmer" like me doesn't go fiddling around in the
> guts of a time-tested, solid program like Reliable or JBN is this:

I wouldn't dare touch Reliable or JBN. Instead, I wrote a small VB program
whose workings I could understand and test in order to avoid
> The Law of Unintended Consequences

Messages in the mailout folder of Reliable are intercepted by the program
and checked for this and that, and may be deleted, or may get a
disclaimer, etc.

I notice that Panta Admin has put a facility into his version of Reliable
that allows a program to be called when Reliable goes into a Send cycle.
Similar to my setup except that my program is controlled by the filtering
rules in Mercury.

So I don't think I'm out of line by using the VB program for extra
processing.

>
> I am also not quite so arrogant to believe that what *I* think is best for
> the remailer network is necessarily truly best for the network.

Maybe the kind of incremental approach to a problem newsgroup that I was
suggesting is a poor one. It seems like an obviously better way to handle
the problem than to have only the choice of allowing messages to go to a
newsgroup or to block them.

But I could be wrong. I don't think I'm arrogant about it, but, then,
nobody ever does.

> I have
> been wrong before. I'm sure it will happen again. I'd really hate for it
> to happen and expose a bunch of people or accidentally out them.
>
> Dingo Admin
> dingoadmin@dingoremailer.com
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moose

2006-01-02, 8:46 pm

>>I really hate to concur with what appeared in aaaabbbccd's "[INFO]"...

>That paragraph is incomprehensible to me, which may be my fault;
>but could you restate it, please?

sure.. in re-reading it I realize it sounds a bit like I was agreeing with
everything abcbcc-aaddminn said in that [INFO] post... I don't... I -DO-
feel that when you apply a block to wpg.general, edm.general, rec.ponds,
etc (basicly the groups that have no "moral/ethical" baggage involved)
there should be a clearly defined date when that block will be reviewed.
If an idiot is trashing a group with 20 remailer posts a day, something
needs to be done. I can see how a perhaps 1 month block would be a
reasonable step. At the end of that month I think it's a very critical
part of maintaining an "impartial" remailer that the decision be reviewed
and that the remop make an effort to see if the assholes are still "at it"
or not. If not, lift the block. If they are still at it, perhaps extend
the block for another month.

better?

Crash Override

2006-01-02, 8:46 pm

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In article <17063d5444beaf8f0640ea0f6183c75e@deuxpi.ca>
Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 19:13:56 +0000, moose wrote:
>
>
> That paragraph is incomprehensible to me, which may be my fault; but could
> you restate it, please?
>
> I think what aaabbc said, was that he had used a graduated method of
> applying pressure to people who used the remailer to send messages to
> groups that had problems:
>
> First, add a disclaimer to messages going to the group, and remove the
> option for changing the 'from' header; and if that does not work, add
> filters for the content of messages that are causing the problem; and if
> that fails, block the newsgroup temporarily.
>
> If a programmer manqué like aaabbc can write code to do that, I don't see
> why the true programmers who also run remailers cannot as well.
>
> In fact, I am very disappointed in the lack of imagination that our remailer
> operators who are also true programmers, show, since it is they who are in
> the best position to know what is needed, and are most qualified to effect
> the needed changes.

This whole thing reads entirely too much like eelbash to be anything but a
sock puppet.

*Crash Override
- --
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

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Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

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In article <20060102201543.C402C17185@mail.cypherpunks.to>
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:56:32 +0000, Dingo Admin wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn't dare touch Reliable or JBN. Instead, I wrote a small VB program
> whose workings I could understand and test in order to avoid
>
> Messages in the mailout folder of Reliable are intercepted by the program
> and checked for this and that, and may be deleted, or may get a
> disclaimer, etc.
>
> I notice that Panta Admin has put a facility into his version of Reliable
> that allows a program to be called when Reliable goes into a Send cycle.
> Similar to my setup except that my program is controlled by the filtering
> rules in Mercury.

Eelbash, I think a good idea would be for you to release the source for your VB program so that people can evaluate it rather than it being a "Black Box" that we know nothing about. Then, I strongly recommend that the inevitable next incarnation of your
remailer be straight Reliable and / or Mixmaster and the MTA of your choice... no aux programs or anything else. If you combine that with operating as middleman only you will at least be able to contribute something that people might take a chance on usi
ng.

also, if you're middleman only, you have no worries about "psychos" using your machine as an exit
[vbcol=seagreen]
> So I don't think I'm out of line by using the VB program for extra
> processing.
>
>
> Maybe the kind of incremental approach to a problem newsgroup that I was
> suggesting is a poor one. It seems like an obviously better way to handle
> the problem than to have only the choice of allowing messages to go to a
> newsgroup or to block them.
>
> But I could be wrong. I don't think I'm arrogant about it, but, then,
> nobody ever does.
>

.... or cause legit msgs to be lost.

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Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-04, 2:52 am

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:17:20 +0000, moose wrote:

>
>
> sure.. in re-reading it I realize it sounds a bit like I was agreeing with
> everything abcbcc-aaddminn said in that [INFO] post... I don't... I -DO-
> feel that when you apply a block to wpg.general, edm.general, rec.ponds,
> etc (basicly the groups that have no "moral/ethical" baggage involved)
> there should be a clearly defined date when that block will be reviewed.
> If an idiot is trashing a group with 20 remailer posts a day, something
> needs to be done. I can see how a perhaps 1 month block would be a
> reasonable step. At the end of that month I think it's a very critical
> part of maintaining an "impartial" remailer that the decision be reviewed
> and that the remop make an effort to see if the assholes are still "at it"
> or not. If not, lift the block. If they are still at it, perhaps extend
> the block for another month.
>
> better?

Much. Thanks.

Sure, any newsgroup block should have a termination date, unless the
remop has a moral or other bedrock objection to letting messages go to
the group.

I wouldn't even expect a remop to go to a group to check it out and see if
it has returned to normal. That could become quite a job.

Put in a block for x days/weeks and lift it after that time.

If the crap that caused the block to be put in is still going on,
then the remop will hear about it shortly after the block is lifted.

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-04, 5:51 pm

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:32:16 +0000, TwistyCreek wrote:

> In article <JWO4RY7938721.4049305556@reece.net.au> Thrasher Remailer
> <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> Currently, Eelbash is the only remop that blocks anything based on moral
> reasons. The others block based on whether there was abuse being sent.

The Eelbash remop (retired) has said several times that he blocks
newsgroups only if they are being disrupted and he cannot control the
disruptive posters by:
putting in a disclaimer
putting in fixed 'from' headers
filtering out the disruptive posters

George Orwell

2006-01-04, 5:51 pm

In article <Y31LYIJQ38721.9563310185@reece.net.au>
Eelbash Admin wrote:
>
> The Eelbash remop (retired) has said several times

Talking about yourself as if you were someone else again? You know, you
really should see a doctor about this. You don't want to become one of
those mentally ill psychopathic children that you hate so much.

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

2006-01-04, 5:51 pm

Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> and he cannot control the disruptive posters by:

Freudian slip, Eelbash? Or did you really mean that you want to control the
disruptive posters? It wouldn't surprise me.

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-04, 8:46 pm

In <Y31LYIJQ38721.9563310185@reece.net.au>, thrasher@reece.net.au wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:32:16 +0000, TwistyCreek wrote:
>
>
>The Eelbash remop (retired) has said several times that he blocks
>newsgroups only if they are being disrupted and he cannot control the
>disruptive posters by:
>putting in a disclaimer
>putting in fixed 'from' headers
>filtering out the disruptive posters

SHUT UP EELBASH!

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-04, 8:46 pm

In article <CERUQD5138721.2724074074@twistycreek.com>
TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
> In article <JWO4RY7938721.4049305556@reece.net.au>
> Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> Currently, Eelbash is the only remop that blocks anything based on
> moral reasons. The others block based on whether there was abuse being
> sent.

Twisty made I rather loud proclamation that he would block groups he
disagreed with on principal. Has he changed that policy?

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-04, 8:46 pm

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On 4 Jan 2006 21:20:59 -0000, Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au>
wrote:

>In article <CERUQD5138721.2724074074@twistycreek.com>
>TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
>Twisty made I rather loud proclamation that he would block groups he
>disagreed with on principal. Has he changed that policy?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't owe anyone an explanation. I have my reasons. There are some things
I will not have my re-mailer a part of. I own it, I run it. As I said
before, "tough shit", use another re-mailer. I don't give a flying XXXX
what child porn people think. I would put them behind bars forever if I
could. UNDERSTAND?

I will consider reasonable arguments. Some things are not reasonable to me
under any circumstance.

There is no law to force me to carry every newsgoup. If you don't like what
I block, don't use it. I could care less. I don't care what the XXXX you
think of my block policy. it is none of your business. Don't like it?, you
put up a re-mailer.

Simple, if you don't like my policy, don't use "MY" re-mailer.

I simply don't give a XXXX and am tired of it.

TwistyCreek Admin

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TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-04, 8:46 pm

George Orwell

2006-01-05, 2:46 am

Thrasher Remailer wrote:

>
> Twisty made I rather loud proclamation that he would block groups he
> disagreed with on principal. Has he changed that policy?

No, just proved that his principals include being flexible when it comes
to blocking groups on principal, just liek every competent remop. If
blocking groups that are subject to forgeries and floods, or groups like
known child porn toilets isn't "blocking groups on principals", what is?

By the way, TA, thanks for considering the request I made concerning the
suicide group and unblocking it. I'd have thanked you sooner, but I
was incognito for the long holiday weekend. Hard to believe I still have
friends who aren't "wired". Or that I'd visit them anyway ;)

Have a good one guy!

Anonymous

2006-01-05, 2:46 am

In article <o9vor19aicqc682gqlafpto7i55t86vgos@4ax.com>
TwistyCreek Admin <admin^@^twistycreek^.^com> wrote:
>
> I simply don't give a XXXX and am tired of it.
>
> TwistyCreek Admin

What's with the temper? The question that was asked was polite. They
simply asked if you had changed your policy recently.

You need to chill out, man.

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-05, 2:46 am

In article <05tor158oh8ravtntbvj768comtn7r347r@4ax.com>
TwistyCreek Admin <admin^@^twistycreek^.^com> wrote:
>
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>
> On 4 Jan 2006 21:20:59 -0000, Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
> No!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I don't owe anyone an explanation. I have my reasons. There are some things
> I will not have my re-mailer a part of. I own it, I run it. As I said
> before, "tough shit", use another re-mailer. I don't give a flying XXXX
> what child porn people think. I would put them behind bars forever if I
> could. UNDERSTAND?
>
> I will consider reasonable arguments. Some things are not reasonable to me
> under any circumstance.
>
> There is no law to force me to carry every newsgoup. If you don't like what
> I block, don't use it. I could care less. I don't care what the XXXX you
> think of my block policy. it is none of your business. Don't like it?, you
> put up a re-mailer.
>
> Simple, if you don't like my policy, don't use "MY" re-mailer.
>
> I simply don't give a XXXX and am tired of it.
>
> TwistyCreek Admin
>
Nobody asked you to launch into a tirade about how morally superior you
are to everyone else reading this group ya twisted little XXXX. You were
simply asked if you had changed your policy. If you can't answer a
reasonable question with a civil answer, then just don't answer the
XXXXing thing at all...

TwistyCreek

2006-01-05, 5:49 pm

On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>In article <o9vor19aicqc682gqlafpto7i55t86vgos@4ax.com>
>TwistyCreek Admin <admin^@^twistycreek^.^com> wrote:
>
>What's with the temper? The question that was asked was polite. They
>simply asked if you had changed your policy recently.
>
>You need to chill out, man.

I think he wants to scare the shit out of kiddie pornographers. He is doing
it

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-06, 7:48 am

In <QYJJH63B38722.5499652778@twistycreek.com>, anon@comments.header wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>I think he wants to scare the shit out of kiddie pornographers. He is doing
>it

Nahh, Not really. There are several groups that Twisty *Does* carry that are frequently used for posting information

moose

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

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>I think he wants to scare the shit out of kiddie pornographers.

There are so many groups for that kind of crap you'd never
block them all.. well at least not without hours and hours
of effort. I had someone point out alt.fan.prettyboy once
for example.

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TwistyCreek

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

On 6 Jan 2006, moose <moose@nym.alias.net> wrote:
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>
>
>There are so many groups for that kind of crap you'd never
>block them all.. well at least not without hours and hours
>of effort. I had someone point out alt.fan.prettyboy once
>for example.

True, but it is worth a whack at scaring em

You can bet your butt that
the Feds are watching em

QuickSilver Downloads:
19 (0%) UNITED STATES (.us)
14 (0%) US Government (.gov)

Just 1 download can be propogated over many PCs.

No counts for JBN or PGP are available for those domains. Bet there is a
lot

TwistyCreek

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

On 6 Jan 2006, TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>On 6 Jan 2006, moose <moose@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>
>True, but it is worth a whack at scaring em

You can bet your butt that
>the Feds are watching em

>
>QuickSilver Downloads:
>19 (0%) UNITED STATES (.us)
>14 (0%) US Government (.gov)

Forgot one.

4 (0%) US Department of Defense (.mil)

Anonymous

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

In article <QYJJH63B38722.5499652778@twistycreek.com>
TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
> I think he wants to scare the shit out of kiddie pornographers. He is doing
> it

There's at least one pedophile I'd love to see shit get scared out of
Secret-Squirrel@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org
google his sick BS, it will make you vomit.

Anonymous

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:02:35 +0000, TwistyCreek wrote:

> On 6 Jan 2006, moose <moose@nym.alias.net> wrote:
>
> True, but it is worth a whack at scaring em

You can bet your butt that
> the Feds are watching em

So you would block on 'moral' grounds? Is that what a remailer should be
doing?

>
> QuickSilver Downloads:
> 19 (0%) UNITED STATES (.us)
> 14 (0%) US Government (.gov)
>
> Just 1 download can be propogated over many PCs.
>
> No counts for JBN or PGP are available for those domains. Bet there is a
> lot

Anonymous

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:

Snipped

>There's at least one pedophile I'd love to see shit get scared out of
>Secret-Squirrel@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org
>google his sick BS, it will make you vomit.

Add these:
Yardy <Yardy@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Fred C Dobbs <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Mystikal <Mystikal@wizards.org>
Helen <noone@nowhere.com>
HanYangLu <Ratchet@nym.alias.net>
"[Anonymous] YBGood" <anonymous@bigappleremailer.com>
Fred anon@comments.header twistycreek.com
Fred@hod.aarg.net

Where do you think they get educated on remailers? apa-s of course

Some quotes from the lot:

>ICE has a page bragging about the use of the new Patriot Laws that
>they are using to catch child pornographers.

>-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
>Message-type: plaintext
>
>Dizum is down for now. Holiday blues perhaps.
>
>Since dizum is the most common mail2news gateway,
>some adjustments may need to be made if you wish
>to post to non-binary groups.
>
>nym.alias.net may still be useful (?) and
>bigapple.yi.org is also useful.
>
>The format for using bigapple is:
>newsgroup@bigapple.yi.org
>(e.g. alt.fan.yardbird@bigapple.yi.org).
>
>Yardbird.
>
>-----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----

Anonymous via Panta Rhei

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

In article <4e142debb36b9038dca38bc5bd93a6f7@anon.bananasplit.info>
Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:
>
>
> So you would block on 'moral' grounds? Is that what a remailer should be
> doing?

No. I say give 'em free reign. Eventually they'll screw up and out
themselves by user error, greed, lust, or any other symptom of their XXXXed-
up lives.

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Anonymous

2006-01-06, 5:48 pm

In article <4e142debb36b9038dca38bc5bd93a6f7@anon.bananasplit.info>
Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:
>
> So you would block on 'moral' grounds? Is that what a remailer should be
> doing?

He's blocking on "against the law" grounds. He's also blocking
a newsgroup and not content filtering, unlike you Eelbash.

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-07, 2:46 am

In article <9522e7ea3061c53d3d4180aca58f38aa@anon.bananasplit.info>
Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:
>
> Snipped
>
>
> Add these:
> Yardy <Yardy@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
> Fred C Dobbs <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
> Mystikal <Mystikal@wizards.org>
> Helen <noone@nowhere.com>
> HanYangLu <Ratchet@nym.alias.net>
> "[Anonymous] YBGood" <anonymous@bigappleremailer.com>
> Fred anon@comments.header twistycreek.com
> Fred@hod.aarg.net
>
> Where do you think they get educated on remailers? apa-s of course

That's the thing... freedom of speech applies to all speech, or it applies to none.

I personally find all this 'cp' horribly wrong, but I cannot support remailers outing them because sooner or later somebody's going to want to 'out' me.

best thing is to catch the XXXXers watching schoolyards and kid's chatrooms, then follow 'em home and raid thier 'cp' stash.

[vbcol=seagreen]
> Some quotes from the lot:
>
>
>

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TwistyCreek

2006-01-07, 2:46 am

On 7 Jan 2006, Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>In article <9522e7ea3061c53d3d4180aca58f38aa@anon.bananasplit.info>
>Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:
>
>That's the thing... freedom of speech applies to all speech, or it applies
>to none.

That is not freedom of speech. It is a criminal offense = JAIL. Inmates
don't like pedophiles, they have a "short lifespan" in JAIL

>I personally find all this 'cp' horribly wrong, but I cannot support
>remailers outing them because sooner or later somebody's going to want to
>'out' me.

Do you honestly think some or most remailers are not TLA?

>best thing is to catch the XXXXers watching schoolyards and kid's
>chatrooms, then follow 'em home and raid thier 'cp' stash.

One BIG way, but they are smart. Remailers offer a hideaway. I'll bet my
last dollar that some remailers areTLA. Bet they have different IPs so you
can't link them to the same operator.

If I were a CP, I would stay far away from remailers. It is only a matter
of time until they pick the wrong chain.

It won't ever be made public. The Patriot Act protects the methods used.
Right or wrong.

Stephen K. Gielda

2006-01-07, 2:46 am

In article <WOX9CT2138723.9472337963@twistycreek.com>,
anon@comments.header says...
>
> That is not freedom of speech. It is a criminal offense = JAIL. Inmates
> don't like pedophiles, they have a "short lifespan" in JAIL

>
>

It's a real distasteful subject, but it's not against the law to talk
about pedophilia, it is against the law to act on it.

/steve
--
The Missing Amendment
The Right To Privacy
http://www.themissingamendment.org

Anonymous

2006-01-07, 2:46 am

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Stephen K. Gielda <steve@packetderm.com.bogus> wrote:
>In article <WOX9CT2138723.9472337963@twistycreek.com>,
>anon@comments.header says...
>
>It's a real distasteful subject, but it's not against the law to talk
>about pedophilia, it is against the law to act on it.
>
Correct. But posting, downloading, P2P, etc. illegal material is. IOW,
any transmission or ownership is. KYAGB. Become someone's XXXXX for a few
weeks (till death do they part, less than a month)

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

2006-01-07, 2:46 am

Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Stephen K. Gielda <steve@packetderm.com.bogus> wrote:
> Correct. But posting, downloading, P2P, etc. illegal material is.

Sure, but remailers are not involved in downloading and most if not all do
not allow large posts to binary groups.

Your point being?