Anonymous Servers - Look At What They Think Of Us!

Author

Look At What They Think Of Us!

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

I found this on the forum of a web-hosting company, explaining why they
did not want to host a remailer. The comment says volumes about the
reputation of remailers.

>A search of groups.google.com has been... informative. I really don't
>think we want to be part of an anonymising network...especially one that
>seems to see so little signal amongst the noise.

'so little signal amongst the noise'. There you have it; the opinion of a
web-hosting professional that remailer messages are mostly garbage.

If this is the prevalent opinion in the big world away from apas, it is
one more indication that remailers may not last much longer.

Anonymous

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>I found this on the forum of a web-hosting company, explaining why they
>did not want to host a remailer. The comment says volumes about the
>reputation of remailers.
>
>
>'so little signal amongst the noise'. There you have it; the opinion of a
>web-hosting professional that remailer messages are mostly garbage.
>
>If this is the prevalent opinion in the big world away from apas, it is
>one more indication that remailers may not last much longer.

Your logic "skills" are flawed.

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-01, 5:47 pm

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:50:01 -0700 (MST), Borked Pseudo Mailed
<nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

>I found this on the forum of a web-hosting company, explaining why they
>did not want to host a remailer. The comment says volumes about the
>reputation of remailers.

Why on God's earth would anyone want a web-hosting company to host their
re-mailer?

First and most important is the possible compromise of the re-mailer. A
horribly bad idea. The re-mailer must be directly controlled by only the
RemOp.

Second, I average 7,000 to 8,000 or more messages per day. What web-hosting
company would even permit that volume? for the last week, if you include
the attempted DoS, I am at 72,240 messages received last week. Look at the
load for Thrasher, far higher yet. Most do not go to usenet either.

Third, they are dead wrong. Yes there is a lot of noise, but through that
noise comes some very important enlightening materials. Only a tiny
fraction of a percent of my mail goes to Usenet. Some of the material does
make it to Usenet, and I have seen it. It is more often useful than not.
What about all of the private messages that never make it to Usenet? How
would they know if they were important or not?

A total crock of shit from one company out of God only knows how many web
hosting companies there are.

Regards,
TwistyCreek Admin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQA/AwUBQ7ggMP9qPDhkRaWyEQJvCACg00Kpc8JbJ//9rA5KW9KwwomJSPcAoN7X
atppuig5vYCl+MqtV/r2Rmpw
=jige
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2006-01-01, 8:46 pm

Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> I found this on the forum of a web-hosting company, explaining why they
> did not want to host a remailer. The comment says volumes about the
> reputation of remailers.

I call bullshit.

What's a "web hosting company" have to do with a remailer? I'd be inclined
to ask for a cite, but I suspect such a request would be met with the
sound of leaves rustling in a gentel breeze.

>
> 'so little signal amongst the noise'. There you have it; the opinion of a
> web-hosting professional that remailer messages are mostly garbage.

Opinions are like...

> If this is the prevalent opinion in the big world away from apas, it is
> one more indication that remailers may not last much longer.

So be it. They'll live and die on their own merits, regardless of what any
wannabe "remop" like you thinks. The fact that you can't grasp this basic
concept itself belies your unsuitability to discuss the issues, let alone
be involved in any direct way.

The problem with remailers isn't remailers, Helen, it's people. No amount
of meddling will change human nature, and in fact your sort of meddling
brings out the very worst in people. You are literally part of the
problem, whipping that subset of the population into a frenzy with your
incoherent choices and intolerable actions.

The only way to "save remailers" has nothing at all to do with crippling
them or controlling their users, and everything to do with ignoring the
little kids who scream for for your attentions rather than jumping like a
frog on some 8th grade dissection table every time they take the leads to
your nipples. That, and using remailers responsibly so you can educate
naysayers like so many have desperately tried to educate you for the last
couple years. And as I'm trying to do now in spite of my firm conviction
that you're nothing more than a meddling control freak at your core.

If you truly care anything at all about remailers you'll quit playing your
stupid, childish games. You'll stop this idiotic "psychos" campaign, quit
XXXXing with your remailer all the time or just shut down completely, and
maybe even take a break from these groups all together until your head
clears. Because Helen, as of this moment you've done exactly nothing to
promote any "good image", or control any "bad behavior". Every single
thing you've attempted has failed miserably, or produced the polar
opposite result. You're making things worse, not better.

Or is that your goal? Is that what you're ultimate destination is?
Destroying the remailer network? Why?

Anonymous

2006-01-01, 8:46 pm

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>Or is that your goal? Is that what you're ultimate destination is?
>Destroying the remailer network? Why?

I believe it is.

Even though I tend to believe that both the Scientologists and the
Anti-Scientologists are wacko, I am not far from believing that
eelbash/Helen is a Scientologist. The arrogance, the ham-fisted attempts to
manipulate people, the obvious awe at his or her own "intellect", all
points to Scientology.

Scientology hates the remailer network almost more than KRaP. Not only
does it allow people to make public all the stupid(!) things they believe,
free of the normal MASSIVE charges one would normally incur to get that far
"advanced" in their "church".

On top of that, it takes away their biggest weapon against those who will
not fall in line against the evil Xenu - the lawsuit. If the poster can not
be identified, no suit can be brought.

Remember, it was those whackjob Scientologists that shut down the first
remailer, the forerunner to the modern system.

George Orwell

2006-01-02, 2:47 am

Anonymous wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net>
> wrote:
>
> I believe it is.
>
> Even though I tend to believe that both the Scientologists and the
> Anti-Scientologists are wacko, I am not far from believing that
> eelbash/Helen is a Scientologist. The arrogance, the ham-fisted attempts
> to manipulate people, the obvious awe at his or her own "intellect", all
> points to Scientology.

Interesting theory. A bit "tin foil", but somewhere in the back of my mind
I do seem to remember a strong connection between Scientology and Ontario,
Canada. Or maybe a major presence there. It's just a vague recollection,
I'm in no way a Scientology buff. Just know what I knwo from seeing what
they do here in cyberspace on the odd occasions I've run across them.

Now that you mention it though, Helen's manner is VERY similar to some
cult members I've observed or had (brief) dealings with. I hadn't even
considered it until you brought it up, but there is a lot of resemblance
between Helen's tactics and those of some more obvious on line cult
operatives.

FWIW, a quick Google of various permutations of 'Scarth Scientology
Hamilton Ontario' comes up with some interesting links. Nothing about a
Helen Scarth specifically, but apparently there a few people with that
same name from the area who are quit active Scientology advocates and
members. I believe at least one had some sort of legal action taken
against them.

Coincidence? Probably.

Then again, considering things from your not-totally-unbelievable
perspectives it bears looking into. There's too much information to sort
through in an evening, but I'll poke around over the next couple days and
see if anything "shocking" pops up. ;)

> Scientology hates the remailer network almost more than KRaP. Not only

I honestly don't think Kenny has the mental capacity to harbor ANY emotion
at the level of an average cult member. On the hate scale, Scientology
wins hands down as far as I'm concerned. Although Kenny certainly does
come in as close a second as his abilities allow.

Not that it matters because Kenny isn't a real danger. He's a weak, under
funded threat that only manifests itself with it's abhorrent behavior.
Scientology has the intelligence and resources to do moderate damage.

> On top of that, it takes away their biggest weapon against those who
> will not fall in line against the evil Xenu - the lawsuit. If the poster
> can not be identified, no suit can be brought.

There are such things as "John Doe" suits, and judgments can even be
levied against unknown persons. Here in the states at least. They stay on
the books for however long, and if a name can be attached to the action
they're assessed.

> Remember, it was those whackjob Scientologists that shut down the first
> remailer, the forerunner to the modern system.

ACK

Thanks for the mental nudge by the way. Interesting things to think about
even if they don't pan out as true. ;-)

TwistyCreek

2006-01-02, 2:47 am

>I do seem to remember a strong connection between
>Scientology and Ontario, Canada.

You have no idea how many millions of people there are within a 50 mile
radius around Hamilton Ontario do you???

TwistyCreek

2006-01-02, 7:46 am

TwistyCreek wrote:

>
> You have no idea how many millions of people there are within a 50 mile
> radius around Hamilton Ontario do you???

Who said anything about Hamilton, Helen?

Oops!

TwistyCreek

2006-01-02, 7:46 am

>Who said anything about Hamilton, Helen?

I don't blame you a bit for not making it down to the third paragraph... I
just
barely did myself.

[vbcol=seagreen]

Hamilton Ontario' comes up with <snip>

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

Here is the result of posting an inquiry to:

info@blacksun.com

asking about the possibility of getting a domain name and pop3
service.

Blacksun is one of hundreds (it looks like) of places where you
can get these things very cheaply.

You can see from the reply that if somebody ran a remailer there,
and a remailer-hater or psychopath like SpamHunter complained, the
remailer would immediately be shut down.

This may explain why Eelbash's remailers have come and gone so
quickly.

It is surely a warning sign that remailers are on thin ice with the
larger internet community.

And it should make all remailer operators nervous, since, if the
policy of this isp is to shut down a remailer upon a complaint, no
matter how outlandish and suspect the complaint is, it is possible
that the isps they use have a similar low tolerance for complaints.

If one complaint from a psychopath doesn't get you the boot, he can
always keep trying; eventually your friendly isp may not look so
favorably on your remailer, espcially if the psychopath presents
instances of real spam or real abuse, some of which will always get
through a remailer's filters.

*********
Hello,

Unfortunately, we will not be able to assist you. With our strict
AUP any complaints would result in the immediate closing of the
account. Thank you for your inquiry though.

Have a great day.

--Glen
BlackSun Inc.

> Hello, I am interested in getting an account with you. I need
> the following: a pop3 server a domain name with 3 or 4 email
> addresses. about 10gb transfer bandwidth/month. little or no
> web space no mail to remain on your server. Those requirements
> are probably straightforward.
> Here's the potential problem: I intend to use the account as
> the incoming address of a remailer....

*******

TwistyCreek Admin

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On 2 Jan 2006 18:39:24 -0000, Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au>
wrote:

>Here is the result of posting an inquiry to:
>
> info@blacksun.com
>
>asking about the possibility of getting a domain name and pop3
>service.
>
>Blacksun is one of hundreds (it looks like) of places where you
>can get these things very cheaply.
>
>You can see from the reply that if somebody ran a remailer there,
>and a remailer-hater or psychopath like SpamHunter complained, the
>remailer would immediately be shut down.
>
>This may explain why Eelbash's remailers have come and gone so
>quickly.

If Eelbash is running a re-mailer from a web hosting site, it is not under
his control and should never, never, never, never, never, never,
never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never,
never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never,
never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never,
never, never, never, never,
be used for any mail whatsoever.

All connections in and out of the re-mailer would be logged by the Web
Hosting Company.

Look what happened to another very popular re-mailer that was hosted off
site. It was compromised for a year before the RemOp discovered it.

>It is surely a warning sign that remailers are on thin ice with the
>larger internet community.

Once again, Bullshit. Talk like that pisses me off (bad, and I mean bad).
"Hair trigger is being tugged on

" Mr Eel, I know it is you. You are
the one on very thin ice. It is starting to crack too.

>And it should make all remailer operators nervous, since, if the
>policy of this isp is to shut down a remailer upon a complaint, no
>matter how outlandish and suspect the complaint is, it is possible
>that the isps they use have a similar low tolerance for complaints.

My ISP doesn't give a XXXX. I host my own service. Any complaints come to
me. The ISP is out of it. I operate well within the ToS of my provider.

>If one complaint from a psychopath doesn't get you the boot, he can
>always keep trying; eventually your friendly isp may not look so
>favorably on your remailer, espcially if the psychopath presents
>instances of real spam or real abuse, some of which will always get
>through a remailer's filters.

So what? Nothing will happen!

TwistyCreek Admin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

iQA/ AwUBQ7l5Ef9qPDhkRaWyEQJKYQCg1k5eWDvTjGC0
YAAcz9crHsNaM5EAnilR
6o1POGR8AeLFbg2tVcRn37qw
=JQq6
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

TwistyCreek

2006-01-02, 5:47 pm

>Blacksun is one of hundreds (it looks like) of places where you

>can get these things very cheaply.

There's the crux of the biscuit.. You're putting a big hit on thier pop3 server
and
paying them squat... they don't like you... just like you don't expect the
gmail
guys to be pals if you're freeloading a holding box from them...

ISPs need an incentive to give up a bit more "resources" to your account.Duty,
honor
and commitment to freedom don't pay the bills at a low magin hosting service.

Eel Bash

2006-01-02, 5:48 pm

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:45:12 +0000, Zax wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
>=20
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:02 -0500, eelbash wrote in Message-Id:
> <43B995BA.3040806@yahoo.com>:
>=20
y[vbcol=seagreen]
d[vbcol=seagreen]
>=20
> That doesn't really matter, all the email is encrypted. The problem is
> compromise of the remailer node and that is more likely if the node is
> hosted by a service provider. You've cleared up that point now; you
> were misusing the term "Hosting".

Thanks for the correction.

>=20
> I disagree. If you set your node up properly and take control of the
> abuse complaints in a responsible manner, then you can demonstrate to
> your ISP that you are running a professional service. Of course you
> also have to check that your ToS allows you to provide public services.
>=20
I realize now, from emailing several of the cheapie services, that
remailers are against their ToS. I thought any service was ok, as long as
it was run responsibly, but obviously not.

Aside from using one's own isp, are there any 'service providers' which d=
o
allow remailers?

There must be a few remailers that are making use of such service
providers.

How much $. What do you get?

Anybody?

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:29:26 -0700, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
> I call bullshit.
>
> What's a "web hosting company" have to do with a remailer? I'd be inclined
> to ask for a cite, but I suspect such a request would be met with the
> sound of leaves rustling in a gentel breeze.

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. It is one of hundreds of places that
allow you to register a domain, and that provide a pop3 server, smtp
server, web site, etc.

The remailer only needs the pop3 and maybe the smtp.

The prices for such services are quite low - sometimes as little as
$20/year for the domain, pop3, web space, and unlimited transfer
bandwidth.

Sounds good, doesn't it? Anybody can set up a remailer; just what is
needed to enhance privacy.

But there is a catch.

Here is the result of an inquiry to another place for pop3 service and a
domain name for a remailer:

****
I have SERIOUS concerns about this. More often than not, remailers are
used specifically to SPAM and I will not have any of that.

Unless you allay those concerns, I do not see us doing business
together.
****

Pretty chilly response. At least he left the door open to be convinced
that remailers are not spammers, but can you see how easy it would be for
a remailer-hater to lodge some phony spam complaint with that admin and
get a remailer's service cancelled?

Those of you who have long-term contracts with an isp, or who pay a
premium rate, probably have more insulation from phony spam charges; but
somebody who wants to start up a remailer cheaply, is, it seems to me, at
the mercy of any remailer-hater that wants to target the remailer with
phony spam charges.

It seems that remailers have a terrible image among system admins.

Just another straw in the wind that remailers are teetering on the edge of
oblivion unless they clean up their act.

>
>
>

Anonymous

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

>I realize now, from emailing several of the cheapie services, that
>remailers are against their ToS. I thought any service was ok, as long as
>it was run responsibly, but obviously not.
>
>Aside from using one's own isp, are there any 'service providers' which
>do allow remailers?
>
>There must be a few remailers that are making use of such service
>providers.
>
>How much $. What do you get?
>
>Anybody?

I too have been wanting to set up a middleman remailer using pay
hosting. Because of my job, I cannot be directly associated with
running one at my residence. I don't mind paying for hosting and
setting it up via tor. I just haven't found hosting that is capable of
doing this for less than $100/year, although I haven't been looking all
that hard either.

Anonymous

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Anonymous <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>I too have been wanting to set up a middleman remailer using pay
>hosting. Because of my job, I cannot be directly associated with
>running one at my residence. I don't mind paying for hosting and
>setting it up via tor. I just haven't found hosting that is capable of
>doing this for less than $100/year, although I haven't been looking all
>that hard either.

Forget it. You are looking at costs in excess of a thousand a year or more.
If the remailer is not under your control it can be compromised. Very,
very, BAD.

Anonymous

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

In article <UECT5C1C38720.578275463@reece.net.au>
Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
> Maybe I used the wrong terminology. It is one of hundreds of places that
> allow you to register a domain, and that provide a pop3 server, smtp
> server, web site, etc.
>
> The remailer only needs the pop3 and maybe the smtp.
>
> The prices for such services are quite low - sometimes as little as
> $20/year for the domain, pop3, web space, and unlimited transfer
> bandwidth.
>
> Sounds good, doesn't it? Anybody can set up a remailer; just what is
> needed to enhance privacy.
>
> But there is a catch.
>
> Here is the result of an inquiry to another place for pop3 service and a
> domain name for a remailer:
>
> ****
> I have SERIOUS concerns about this. More often than not, remailers are
> used specifically to SPAM and I will not have any of that.
>
> Unless you allay those concerns, I do not see us doing business
> together.
> ****
>
> Pretty chilly response. At least he left the door open to be convinced
> that remailers are not spammers, but can you see how easy it would be for
> a remailer-hater to lodge some phony spam complaint with that admin and
> get a remailer's service cancelled?
>
> Those of you who have long-term contracts with an isp, or who pay a
> premium rate, probably have more insulation from phony spam charges; but
> somebody who wants to start up a remailer cheaply, is, it seems to me, at
> the mercy of any remailer-hater that wants to target the remailer with
> phony spam charges.
>
> It seems that remailers have a terrible image among system admins.

Look Eelbash, as you said, these companies charge $20 a year for a
domain name, web hosting, and pop3/smtp server access. You are writing
to these companies and asking what is the equivalent of, "Hi, can I
send 8000 messages a day through your servers using your bandwidth. I
don't know who is writing those messages or where they are going, and
have no control of what they contain. Can I, can I?".

Of course they will say no. If they run that request by their lawyers
they will scream "Hell no, don't even think about giving them an
account!".

This is nothing new. Remailers, and most anonymity projects, have
always been run by universities, individuals, and the occasional
company who supports such ideas. You will never be able to run them
on the average web hosting service because they are just too
controversial. They carry risk to the person or organisation that
hosts them.

> Just another straw in the wind that remailers are teetering on the edge of
> oblivion unless they clean up their act.

Actually the opposite is true. When remailer messages are so tame
and uncontroversial that general purpose web hosting companies don't
think twice about letting their servers be used for running one, that
is the day that remailers fall over the edge into oblivion.

Anonymous

2006-01-03, 2:46 am

On 3 Jan 2006, Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:29:26 -0700, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
>Maybe I used the wrong terminology. It is one of hundreds of places that
>allow you to register a domain, and that provide a pop3 server, smtp
>server, web site, etc.

Find one that will allow 5,000 or more smtp messages sent in 24 hours. Then
check the price.

>The remailer only needs the pop3 and maybe the smtp.

They have no problems with Ppo3, just smtp. ie: mail sent.

>The prices for such services are quite low - sometimes as little as
>$20/year for the domain, pop3, web space, and unlimited transfer
>bandwidth.

For a remailer the costs would be $500 to a $1,000 a month or more. Ask a
web hosting company you want to set up a mail order business. You estimate
your business will be a high load business. Don't tell them it is a
remailer. Tell us what their prices are to handle your legitamate business
that sends 8,000 smtp message every 24 hours. They will give you a price
schedule. Be prepared for "sticker shock".

>Sounds good, doesn't it? Anybody can set up a remailer; just what is
>needed to enhance privacy.

No, impossible unless you are Bill Gates. A very bad idea.

>But there is a catch.
>
>Here is the result of an inquiry to another place for pop3 service and a
>domain name for a remailer:
>
>****
>I have SERIOUS concerns about this. More often than not, remailers are
>used specifically to SPAM and I will not have any of that.
>
>Unless you allay those concerns, I do not see us doing business
>together.

Ask how many smtp messages may be sent per hour. You will get a "chilly"
response. Maybe 75.

>
>Pretty chilly response. At least he left the door open to be convinced
>that remailers are not spammers, but can you see how easy it would be for
>a remailer-hater to lodge some phony spam complaint with that admin and
>get a remailer's service cancelled?

Who cares? No real remailers use them anyway.

>Those of you who have long-term contracts with an isp, or who pay a
>premium rate, probably have more insulation from phony spam charges; but
>somebody who wants to start up a remailer cheaply, is, it seems to me, at
>the mercy of any remailer-hater that wants to target the remailer with
>phony spam charges.
>
>It seems that remailers have a terrible image among system admins.

No, just the shysters reselling bandwidth and server usage. They want to
charge remailers for the services but can't. Oh, the frustration those
bastards must feel

A "free service", what is this world coming to?

>Just another straw in the wind that remailers are teetering on the edge of
>oblivion unless they clean up their act.

How can a stupid shyster reselling bandwidth stop a remailer? They can't.
Oblivion is when the users stop using remailers. I see no signs of that.
Look at http://www.noreply.org/load/ an average of a 150,000 messages or
more per day for the last year.
[vbcol=seagreen]

A heavily biased opinion because remailers do not use their overpriced
services. They want remailers to pay them a $1000 a month to operate. They
hate anything "free". They are in business to make money. Remailers are not
in the business to make money.
[vbcol=seagreen]

No, Eelbash. Your pipe dreams. On opium again? Look at the loads for
re-mailers. It is the big world away from apas. Do you think remailers only
send to apas? About 150,000 or more posts per day to apas?
Get a life.

Forget about remailers. You are not cut out for it. Take up needlepoint.
Stop agitating the real remailers here.
It is obvious they don't give a damn what you think.

Thrasher Remailer

2006-01-03, 7:46 am

> ****
> I have SERIOUS concerns about this. More often than not, remailers are
> used specifically to SPAM and I will not have any of that.
>
> Unless you allay those concerns, I do not see us doing business
> together.
> ****
>
> Pretty chilly response. At least he left the door open to be convinced
> that remailers are not spammers, but can you see how easy it would be for
> a remailer-hater to lodge some phony spam complaint with that admin and
> get a remailer's service cancelled?

It's pretty tough to get any spam through the remailer network, never
mind the fact that spammers need to send hundreds of thousands through.

Remailers may be known for abusive posts, but spam isn't part of their
reputation.

> Just another straw in the wind that remailers are teetering on the edge of
> oblivion unless they clean up their act.

Chill out! A company not liking remailers is not the end of the world.

George Orwell

2006-01-03, 7:46 am

Anonymous

2006-01-03, 5:49 pm

In < 9fe98f85581ecada31045c8ebc7e3a54@mixmast
er.it>, nobody@mixmaster.it
wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>I know of one very extremely highly respected Web-Hosting, ISP, NNTP,
>professional that has been operating privacy services for years. Compared
>to him, these fly by night Web-Servers are pooopooo.

would you care to provide a name and url?

I'm interested.

-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer

2006-01-03, 5:49 pm

Anonymous <nobody@invalid.org> wrote:

>
> Actually the opposite is true. When remailer messages are so tame
> and uncontroversial that general purpose web hosting companies don't
> think twice about letting their servers be used for running one, that
> is the day that remailers fall over the edge into oblivion.

Brilliantly put!

moose

2006-01-04, 2:52 am

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>For a remailer the costs would be $500 to a $1,000 a month or more.

That's a little bit more than what I'm paying. I found a message on my
favorite warez forum for a time limited offer of a free first year for
name registrations in the .be domain. I posted the info here just after
I grabbed remailer.be... I'm not sure how many takers there were.
The registrar (Eurodns) offers unlimited email redirection as part of
thier basic registration fee (which will be 20 Euro's/year I think it is
if I decide to re-register next year). I redirect all incomming mail to
a gmail holding box because it's 2 gig of really reliable online storage
space. Cost for that is also $0. I've read thier TOS and AUP and it sounds
to me like I can use that box for just about anything I want as long as it's
"not for profit" (so shhhhh about all the cash you guys having been sending
me :-)). The outbound SMTP is done by Mercury's E module so that's only a
load on my ISP connection bandwidth (not my ISP SMTP server) and that's less
load than your average pr0naholic.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.3i
Charset: cp850

iQCVAgUBQ7peeDfLqdEzX1nVAQGpAgQAkzpV3bse
6xwlMgoQ3NxjNaQpyN2s3/yt
r8dvrWT71W2TZXUJqS9FJGHi2h+9QvO4q1nz79s4
vyTpFNjrZOgi/w3kXjXlNOP/
bxkTArxKlt1oDO1aWQPV+9qbuecsu4RB0ZW1t4wW
lsfUjjvw//kT7FAum/lvMcZn
hDybMc0lpJY=
=16Cq
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

TwistyCreek

2006-01-04, 2:52 am

On 3 Jan 2006, Anonymous <BigappleRemailer@bigapple.yi.org> wrote:
>In < 9fe98f85581ecada31045c8ebc7e3a54@mixmast
er.it>, nobody@mixmaster.it
>wrote:
>
>would you care to provide a name and url?
>
>I'm interested.
>
Ever hear of Nxxx Nxxxx and DxxxxM2News? He is the most highly respected
remop there is. I love the guy. Type 1,2, and 3 remailers, M2News, and a
Tor service?

So, XXXX off Eelbash!!! You proved you don't know shit from a hole in the
ground.

No URL for wet behind the ears assholes.