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| ...in the headers of several recent posts, it show that they are being
posted thru the mail2news @ bananasplit . info gate when I'm not even
using that m2n gate in my To: ?
Hmmm....
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On 20 Oct 2006 12:26:47 -0000, Fishy wrote in
Message-Id: <WAA8F96339010.3519328704@twistycreek.com>:
> ..in the headers of several recent posts, it show that they are being
> posted thru the mail2news @ bananasplit . info gate when I'm not even
> using that m2n gate in my To: ?
Interesting. Some remops might be redirecting posts for Dizum or LCS
because of their recent outages, but mail2news@bananasplit.info would be
a bad choice because of the hashcash requirement.
mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net would be a much better option.
Do you have an example Message-ID? I'd be interested to see how they're
getting posted.
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| Eelbash Admin 2006-10-20, 1:12 pm |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:00:28 +0000, Zax wrote:
>
> Interesting. Some remops might be redirecting posts for Dizum or LCS
> because of their recent outages, but mail2news@bananasplit.info would be
> a bad choice because of the hashcash requirement.
> mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net would be a much better option.
You can add mail2news@newsanon.org, which continues to work well.
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| Anonymous 2006-10-20, 1:12 pm |
| In article < RZCdnbhimNGzT6XYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@teksavv
y.com>
Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
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> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:00:28 +0000, Zax wrote:
>
>
> You can add mail2news@newsanon.org, which continues to work well.
I could eat a handful of broken glass, too. But I don't think I will.
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| Anonyma 2006-10-20, 1:12 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:00:28 +0000, Zax wrote:
>
>
>You can add mail2news@newsanon.org, which continues to work well.
Sure, as long as you don't mind eelbash reading your posts.
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| Here is one: <E1GaBcj-0004Zm-Ou@nowwhat.lateralis.org>
On another note: Recently, nym test posts w/ encrypted text bodies have
not been making it to their test destination. However, I am receiving an
ACK
from the nym-server stating that a msg has been sent. While non-encrypted
nym-posts show one-hundred percent - using the same chains.
I can see reply-block msgs in a.a.m, also, an encrypted msg post through a
news-server in alt.ipl.messages, so it's not my news-server filtering PGP
as
binary posts. But when making test posts to a.a.m, they are a no-show.
Not that I expect to find the answer from anyone here: I just thought I'd
share
some info on some, recent, strange behavior. Chalk it up to the occasional
ghosts in the wire, I guess.
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On 20 Oct 2006 18:44:52 -0000, Fishy wrote in
Message-Id: <6BCSQ7EE39010.6144907407@twistycreek.com>:
> Here is one: <E1GaBcj-0004Zm-Ou@nowwhat.lateralis.org>
This one is posted through a nym account. The Banana mail2news gateway
works fine with those. 
The whole concept of requiring hashcash for anonymous messages to
mail2news@bananasplit.info is now flawed. It works by checking for the
presence of a Comments header but a few exit-nodes don't include them
any more. It would probably make sense to change the Banana one to
operate in the same manner as the mixmin gateway.
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| Stephen K. Gielda 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca wrote in message news:
<61d283e5e044527082108cea14fa0dfd@deuxpi.ca> ...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>
> Sure, as long as you don't mind eelbash reading your posts.
>
>
....along with the millions of people on Usenet. Of course if people
reading a public news post bothers you then you probably shouldn't use
any mail2news gateways.
/steve
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| Stephen K. Gielda 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| anon@comments.header wrote in message news:<6BCSQ7EE39010.6144907407
@twistycreek.com> ...
> Here is one: <E1GaBcj-0004Zm-Ou@nowwhat.lateralis.org>
>
> On another note: Recently, nym test posts w/ encrypted text bodies have
> not been making it to their test destination. However, I am receiving an
> ACK
> from the nym-server stating that a msg has been sent. While non-encrypted
> nym-posts show one-hundred percent - using the same chains.
>
> I can see reply-block msgs in a.a.m, also, an encrypted msg post through a
> news-server in alt.ipl.messages, so it's not my news-server filtering PGP
> as
> binary posts. But when making test posts to a.a.m, they are a no-show.
>
> Not that I expect to find the answer from anyone here: I just thought I'd
> share
> some info on some, recent, strange behavior. Chalk it up to the occasional
> ghosts in the wire, I guess.
>
>
It could also be transit filtering. Some news servers do it. For
example supernews is one of the most heavily filtered public news
servers. Not only do they filter their own stuff, but they filter many
transit posts as well. Although, if this was the case it would not
make much sense for a nym server to be posting to such a news server.
/steve
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| Anonymous via Runaway Remailer 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| In article <61d283e5e044527082108cea14fa0dfd@deuxpi.ca>
Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>
> Sure, as long as you don't mind eelbash reading your posts.
While not questioning your statement in any way, how could anyone do that?
For instance, when using QS the message is encrypted before it's sent, is it
not? How could anyone along the chain read the message? Just in search of
knowledge.
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| Anonyma 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:59:28 -0400, Anonyma wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>
> Sure, as long as you don't mind eelbash reading your posts.
I know that m2n posts go to public newsgroups but that is no reason for
the operator to read the posts, if he really does.
Eelbash operator are you reading posts that go through your gateway?
Please answer!
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| On 20 Oct 2006, Anonymous via Runaway Remailer <secret_anonymous_1@web.de>
wrote:
>In article <61d283e5e044527082108cea14fa0dfd@deuxpi.ca>
>Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>While not questioning your statement in any way, how could anyone do that?
>For instance, when using QS the message is encrypted before it's sent, is it
>not? How could anyone along the chain read the message? Just in search of
>knowledge.
If they are posts to usenet, they have to be cleartext when sent to a
mail2news gateway. Of course eelbash can't read the encrypted messages, but
he loves to dick around with the ones he can read. He has tried to find
posters, and edited peoples posts.
You can use eelbash if you want, but you're a bloody fool if you make that
choice.
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| Zax wrote:
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>On 20 Oct 2006 18:44:52 -0000, Fishy wrote in
>Message-Id: <6BCSQ7EE39010.6144907407@twistycreek.com>:
>
>
>This one is posted through a nym account. The Banana mail2news gateway
>works fine with those. 
Right, but that post was sent using - the line below - in the To: field via
my JBN template which I use only for testing purposes.
mail2new@m2n.mixmin.net,mail2news@dizum.com,mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu
Hence my original question. How is it that it got posted through the
Banana mail2news gateway with the To: field, above.
Normally, I use...
mail2news@bananasplit.info,mail2news@dizum.com,mail2news@anon.lcs.mit.edu
or the nospam equivalents, but since dizum & nan are experiencing
technical difficulties, at the moment, I've changed the template to use
mail2new@m2n.mixmin.net instead of mail2news@bananasplit.info,
temporarily.
I can't make it any clearer. The point being is that it shouldn't have
gotten posted through mail2news@bananasplit.info unless someone
is aliasing, or third party intervention.
Anyway, have a great weekend, people. 
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| Stephen K. Gielda wrote:
>It could also be transit filtering. Some news servers do it. For
>example supernews is one of the most heavily filtered public news
>servers.
Yes, I am fully aware of such practices. And is why chose a news
server that does not filter PGP encrypted posts as being binary.
Nor do they filter anything for that matter.
Purging, and re-pulling all headers in various groups, where people
do make encrypted posts, I see all msgs just fine. So I know that
my news-server has not changed their policies regarding this
matter.
Thank you for the input just the same, Stephen.
Regards.
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| Stephen K. Gielda 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| nobody@pseudo.borked.net wrote in message news:
<1b5b41497196fc581f2ccb3c691b4130@pseudo.borked.net> ...
> Stephen K. Gielda wrote:
>
>
> Yes, I am fully aware of such practices. And is why chose a news
> server that does not filter PGP encrypted posts as being binary.
> Nor do they filter anything for that matter.
>
> Purging, and re-pulling all headers in various groups, where people
> do make encrypted posts, I see all msgs just fine. So I know that
> my news-server has not changed their policies regarding this
> matter.
>
> Thank you for the input just the same, Stephen.
My point was a server in between you and the posting server (transit
server) may also have filtered it. Supernews is one service that does
transit filtering, that means they filter the stream before passing it
on, making the point moot as to whether the end server does any
filtering or not because they get a filtered feed. Also the server it
is posted to may filter it and as a result the post never even hits the
transit servers.
Either of these scenarios mean that it doesn't matter whether or not
the server you read from filters or not because the post may have been
filtered out before they received the feed. If you see some, but not
from a particular nym server, it is possible that the server the nym
posts to does such filtering, although I'd hope the nym operator would
make sure this was not the case.
/steve
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| Anonymous Remailer (austria) 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
|
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:26:47 +0000, Fishy wrote:
> ..in the headers of several recent posts, it show that they are being
> posted thru the mail2news @ bananasplit . info gate when I'm not even
> using that m2n gate in my To: ?
>
> Hmmm....
Some exit remailer operators think they have the right to change the m2n
gateway if it is one they think is not working. They should leave messages
alone even if they will end up disappearing. It is up to the sender to
learn how to use the system, and even his mistakes should not be
interfered with.
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| Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 2006-10-21, 1:13 am |
| Borked wrote:
> I can't make it any clearer. The point being is that it shouldn't have
> gotten posted through mail2news@bananasplit.info unless someone
> is aliasing, or third party intervention.
>
What posts were sent to mixmin but instead went via bananasplit?
Every relevant post in this thread with exception of Zax's have
originating Path of news.bananasplit.info!mail2news.mixmin.net
BiKiKii
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 1:17 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:53:26 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
> On 20 Oct 2006, Anonymous via Runaway Remailer <secret_anonymous_1@web.de>
> wrote:
>
> If they are posts to usenet, they have to be cleartext when sent to a
> mail2news gateway. Of course eelbash can't read the encrypted messages, but
> he loves to dick around with the ones he can read. He has tried to find
> posters, and edited peoples posts.
I have used the Eelbash remailer and the mail2news@newsanon.org gateway
for months. Please provide evidence for your very serious allegations:
he loves to dick around with the ones he can read
He has tried to find posters
edited peoples posts
These are serious charges. Please provide evidence for them.
>
> You can use eelbash if you want, but you're a bloody fool if you make that
> choice.
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 1:17 pm |
| > I have used the Eelbash remailer and the mail2news@newsanon.org
> gateway for months.
You run the XXXXing thing! Why do you send this stupid posts,
pretending to be someone else?
> Please provide evidence for your very serious allegations:
> edited peoples posts
I need to provide evidence? Google Groups is plastered with [BAD WORD]
type censorship from your remailer. You twiddle with things, not
because the system needs it but because you have nothing better to do
than thinking up silly widgets to enhance your service with. It's like
santa's grotto; lots of sparkle and glamour camouflaging an unemployed
wino who wants people to sit on his knee.
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| Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer 2006-10-21, 1:17 pm |
| On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:11:35 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
> It's like
> santa's grotto; lots of sparkle and glamour camouflaging an unemployed
> wino who wants people to sit on his knee.
The WINO remailer.
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2006-10-21, 7:16 pm |
| On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>You run the XXXXing thing! Why do you send this stupid posts,
>pretending to be someone else?
>
>
>I need to provide evidence? Google Groups is plastered with [BAD WORD]
>type censorship from your remailer. You twiddle with things, not
>because the system needs it but because you have nothing better to do
>than thinking up silly widgets to enhance your service with. It's like
>santa's grotto; lots of sparkle and glamour camouflaging an unemployed
>wino who wants people to sit on his knee.
ROFLMAO!!
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2006-10-21, 7:16 pm |
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Anonymous schreef:
> In article < RZCdnbhimNGzT6XYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@teksavv
y.com>
> Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>
> I could eat a handful of broken glass, too. But I don't think I will.
If W. Bush decides remailers are part of the axis of evil you might as
well eat glass. Nothing quite like the taste of your own blood. And
remember, it is NOT torture!! If you disagree you can SUE him, well,
ahem, you could have if you hadn't had all your rights stripped away the
moment you were rendered outside of your own home and the legal safety
of the USofA.
Stay well, don't use remailers,
Thomas
- --
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 7:16 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:53:26 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
> On 20 Oct 2006, Anonymous via Runaway Remailer <secret_anonymous_1@web.de>
> wrote:
>
> If they are posts to usenet, they have to be cleartext when sent to a
> mail2news gateway. Of course eelbash can't read the encrypted messages, but
> he loves to dick around with the ones he can read. He has tried to find
> posters, and edited peoples posts.
I have used the Eelbash remailer and the mail2news@newsanon.org gateway
for months. Please provide evidence for your very serious allegations:
he loves to dick around with the ones he can read
He has tried to find posters
edited peoples posts
These are serious charges. Please provide evidence for them.
>
> You can use eelbash if you want, but you're a bloody fool if you make that
> choice.
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 7:16 pm |
| On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:39:35 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
> In article < RZCdnbhimNGzT6XYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@teksavv
y.com>
> Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>
> I could eat a handful of broken glass, too. But I don't think I will.
I use it all the time, and don't find it painful to use. In fact, it does
a good job. Can you tell us why you compare it to eating broken glass?
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> The original sender is unknown. Any address shown in the From header
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> for abuse and hashcash info.
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| Anonymous 2006-10-21, 7:16 pm |
| In article <6BCSQ7EE39010.6144907407@twistycreek.com>
Fishy <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
> Here is one: <E1GaBcj-0004Zm-Ou@nowwhat.lateralis.org>
>
My guess is that that particular message actually went to
mail2new@m2n.mixmin.net (look at the Path: header) as you intended in your
To:
What may be tripping you up is X-Abuse-Contact: a...@bananasplit.info.
Possibly you don't know that Zax runs both the bananasplit and the mixmin
mail2news, and they both direct abuse complaints to the same address at
bananasplit.info?
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| George Orwell 2006-10-22, 1:12 am |
| On 21 Oct 2006, Anonymous <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:39:35 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
>
>I use it all the time, and don't find it painful to use. In fact, it does
>a good job. Can you tell us why you compare it to eating broken glass?
You are just XXXXing pathetic, eelbash. Your sock puppetry is blatantly
obvious, as usual.
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| Odious Ferret 2006-10-22, 1:12 am |
| In article <73eb18c465da4fa32ecc847d98b4a056@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>
> You run the XXXXing thing! Why do you send this stupid posts,
> pretending to be someone else?
>
>
> I need to provide evidence? Google Groups is plastered with [BAD WORD]
> type censorship from your remailer. You twiddle with things, not
> because the system needs it but because you have nothing better to do
> than thinking up silly widgets to enhance your service with. It's like
> santa's grotto; lots of sparkle and glamour camouflaging an unemployed
> wino who wants people to sit on his knee.
I don't run the remailer but I did a search on Google groups for the [BAD
WORD] format and the only one I found was in your post. Seriously, if he's
censoring posts I'd like to see them and then I can assure you I wouldn't
use his remailer.
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| Nomen Nescio 2006-10-22, 7:13 am |
| On 22 Oct 2006, Odious Ferret wrote:
>In article <73eb18c465da4fa32ecc847d98b4a056@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
>Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>I don't run the remailer but I did a search on Google groups for the [BAD
>WORD] format and the only one I found was in your post. Seriously, if he's
>censoring posts I'd like to see them and then I can assure you I wouldn't
>use his remailer.
>
is truth
google bogg.dynu.com + [CENSORED]
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2006-10-22, 1:12 pm |
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Odious Ferret schreef:
> In article <73eb18c465da4fa32ecc847d98b4a056@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
> Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
> I don't run the remailer but I did a search on Google groups for the [BAD
> WORD] format and the only one I found was in your post. Seriously, if he's
> censoring posts I'd like to see them and then I can assure you I wouldn't
> use his remailer.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....9d9ce63a0699560
should put you in about the right time frame.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....d024599a0a946a5
is about when this little experiment has stopped (thanks to Twisty's
legal advice).
Unfortunately the group was flooded at the time, so you have to be a bit
clever to read it :-/
Thomas
- --
"Give me what i need, or i take what i want"
Hanin Elias - Wanting a machine
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| nobody@mixmaster.it 2006-10-23, 1:12 am |
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In <453b0ad2$0$31267$ed362ca5@nr2.newsreader.com> Odious Ferret wrote:
>In article <73eb18c465da4fa32ecc847d98b4a056@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
>Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
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>I don't run the remailer but I did a search on Google groups for the [BAD
>WORD] format and the only one I found was in your post. Seriously, if he's
>censoring posts I'd like to see them and then I can assure you I wouldn't
>use his remailer.
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I think it's time for somebody to please repost the url for the bluejay frog/eelbash pages
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