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Being blocked from Tor?
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| Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer 2006-10-30, 7:15 pm |
| Maybe it's true that good things can't last.
Regarding Tor, when I first had it up and functioning yesterday, although I didn't count them
there had to be more than 50 (at least) active Tor routers in the router list (I have the
Vidalia GUI for Tor so one can view the network and routers)
Today I now have only 2 in my list.
I see only 2 possibilities: either 1. everyone decided to shut down their Tor servers at once
(ridiculous), or 2. my ISP is somehow blocking access to the Tor router network.
As I understand Tor, when the program is started it queries a list of Tor routers from a router
table (presumably from one of the Tor servers). With that list of Tor routers, it can then
proceed to start creating circuits.
At any rate, something's going on. I've looked through FAQs and the manual to find something
that addresses this issue but can find nothing. With the apparent opposition there is to Tor,
it's at least feasible to me that my ISP could be blocking Tor server IPs. Here's something
interesting on the very subject.
http://business.newsforge.com/busin...42.shtml?tid=19
I thinks that pretty much sums it up. When you think about it, a network that is capable of
completely encrypting and anonymizing net traffic for any user would be an ISP's worst
nightmare, not to mention TLA's. Imagine if *everyone* were using Tor! There's be no way for
ISP's to munch data, spy on their users and methodically build databases and/or psychological
or habitual profiles of their users.
Ok, ultra paranoid talk here. What if Mr. TLA was having Mr. ISP block access to all but 2 Tor
routers in order to make traffic sniffing extremely easy? Sort of an off-white DoS attack. End
of ultra paranoid talk.
Anyway, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's all just a fluke. Anyone ever had something like
this happen using Tor? I'd be very curious to know.
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| On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:18:43 +0100, Cyberiade.it wrote:
> Maybe it's true that good things can't last.
>
> Regarding Tor, when I first had it up and functioning yesterday, although I didn't count them
> there had to be more than 50 (at least) active Tor routers in the router list (I have the
> Vidalia GUI for Tor so one can view the network and routers)
>
> Today I now have only 2 in my list.
>
> Anyway, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's all just a fluke. Anyone ever had something like
> this happen using Tor? I'd be very curious to know.
I can't see how many routers are accessible to me, however I notice an
enormous amount of downloads, so much that I turn off tor for most
browsing.
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| Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer 2006-10-31, 1:14 am |
| No doubt it's the p2p kids hooked into their file sharing networks. Most a these p2p apps use
specific ports. Too bad they can't block 'em. - Everyone should be able to proxy their
communications if they feel the need. But a bunch of people downloading mega and gigabyte
files can only serve to severely congest the network.
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| Anonymous 2006-10-31, 1:14 am |
| In article < bff0ee62c49672ec485a74a9fc95a13c@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's true that good things can't last.
>
> Regarding Tor, when I first had it up and functioning yesterday, although I didn't count them
> there had to be more than 50 (at least) active Tor routers in the router list (I have the
> Vidalia GUI for Tor so one can view the network and routers)
>
> Today I now have only 2 in my list.
>
> I see only 2 possibilities: either 1. everyone decided to shut down their Tor servers at once
> (ridiculous), or 2. my ISP is somehow blocking access to the Tor router network.
>
> As I understand Tor, when the program is started it queries a list of Tor routers from a router
> table (presumably from one of the Tor servers). With that list of Tor routers, it can then
> proceed to start creating circuits.
>
> At any rate, something's going on. I've looked through FAQs and the manual to find something
> that addresses this issue but can find nothing. With the apparent opposition there is to Tor,
> it's at least feasible to me that my ISP could be blocking Tor server IPs. Here's something
> interesting on the very subject.
>
> http://business.newsforge.com/busin...42.shtml?tid=19
>
> I thinks that pretty much sums it up. When you think about it, a network that is capable of
> completely encrypting and anonymizing net traffic for any user would be an ISP's worst
> nightmare, not to mention TLA's. Imagine if *everyone* were using Tor! There's be no way for
> ISP's to munch data, spy on their users and methodically build databases and/or psychological
> or habitual profiles of their users.
>
> Ok, ultra paranoid talk here. What if Mr. TLA was having Mr. ISP block access to all but 2 Tor
> routers in order to make traffic sniffing extremely easy? Sort of an off-white DoS attack. End
> of ultra paranoid talk.
>
> Anyway, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's all just a fluke. Anyone ever had something like
> this happen using Tor? I'd be very curious to know.
It's definitely on your end, I show all
sorts of Tor servers and I'm posting this
via tor.
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| Nomen Nescio 2006-10-31, 1:14 am |
| kwatq <myob@nospam.us> wrote:
> I can't see how many routers are accessible to me, however I notice an
> enormous amount of downloads, so much that I turn off tor for most
> browsing.
How can you notice an enormous amount of downloads on the Tor network? Or
did you mean your own Tor node? You shouldn't know, either.
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| Nobody important 2006-10-31, 1:14 am |
| Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in
news:37030f1a39f92c5d91c3ea958e0b3478@di
zum.com:
> kwatq <myob@nospam.us> wrote:
>
>
> How can you notice an enormous amount of downloads on the Tor
> network? Or did you mean your own Tor node? You shouldn't know,
> either.
>
>
So you are advocating that people run services completely blind to
what is happening on that machine? If so, then the service is as
good as monitored anyway, because one would never know of it being
compromised.
Tor traffic is encrypted but downloading massive amounts of data
stands out like a sore thumb from regular http use. If you don't
wish to stand out, don't place yourself in that position. If you
think that someone watching the server they run compromises your
anonymity, don't use the service. In this case it means do not use
Tor or the remailers, because I run servers for both and do monitor
the machines against compromise and abuse.
I won't tell you what these machines are other than to say I'm not
eelbash nor anyone who posts identifiably here. Your only option
to avoid me is to not use either of these networks at all.
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| On 31 Oct 2006 00:18:43 +0100, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote in
Message-Id: < bff0ee62c49672ec485a74a9fc95a13c@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>:
> I thinks that pretty much sums it up. When you think about it, a
> network that is capable of completely encrypting and anonymizing net
> traffic for any user would be an ISP's worst nightmare, not to mention
> TLA's. Imagine if *everyone* were using Tor! There's be no way for
> ISP's to munch data, spy on their users and methodically build
> databases and/or psychological or habitual profiles of their users.
This is an ISP's dream come true. Do you think that want to be
accountable for the actions of their users? They are because they
legally have to be. If their users all suddenly started using Tor,
they would be absolved of that accountability.
--
pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>
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| Anonymous 2006-10-31, 7:12 am |
| On 31 Oct 2006, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>Maybe it's true that good things can't last.
>
>Regarding Tor, when I first had it up and functioning yesterday, although
>I didn't count them
>there had to be more than 50 (at least) active Tor routers in the router
>list (I have the
>Vidalia GUI for Tor so one can view the network and routers)
>
Vidalia and it's 'look at the network' functions blow chunks.
They're shitware that doesn't work half the time and should never have been
released. Nine out of ten times that I start it, It locks up my win98SE
(fully updated) machine so bad that I have to power off reboot to get going
again. Much better to use Tor without Vidalia, or it you have to use a
GUI, look up an old copy of TorCP. at least IT worked!
>Today I now have only 2 in my list.
>
>I see only 2 possibilities: either 1. everyone decided to shut down their
>Tor servers at once
>(ridiculous), or 2. my ISP is somehow blocking access to the Tor router
>network.
>
>As I understand Tor, when the program is started it queries a list of Tor
>routers from a router
>table (presumably from one of the Tor servers). With that list of Tor
>routers, it can then
>proceed to start creating circuits.
>
>At any rate, something's going on. I've looked through FAQs and the manual
>to find something
>that addresses this issue but can find nothing. With the apparent
>opposition there is to Tor,
>it's at least feasible to me that my ISP could be blocking Tor server IPs.
>Here's something
>interesting on the very subject.
>
>http://business.newsforge.com/busin...42.shtml?tid=19
>
>I thinks that pretty much sums it up. When you think about it, a network
>that is capable of
>completely encrypting and anonymizing net traffic for any user would be an
>ISP's worst
>nightmare, not to mention TLA's. Imagine if *everyone* were using Tor!
>There's be no way for
>ISP's to munch data, spy on their users and methodically build databases
>and/or psychological
>or habitual profiles of their users.
>
>Ok, ultra paranoid talk here. What if Mr. TLA was having Mr. ISP block
>access to all but 2 Tor
>routers in order to make traffic sniffing extremely easy? Sort of an
>off-white DoS attack. End
>of ultra paranoid talk.
>
>Anyway, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's all just a fluke. Anyone ever
>had something like
>this happen using Tor? I'd be very curious to know.
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| Anonymous 2006-11-01, 1:15 am |
| In article < bff0ee62c49672ec485a74a9fc95a13c@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's true that good things can't last.
>
> Regarding Tor, when I first had it up and functioning yesterday, although I didn't count them
> there had to be more than 50 (at least) active Tor routers in the router list (I have the
> Vidalia GUI for Tor so one can view the network and routers)
>
> Today I now have only 2 in my list.
>
> I see only 2 possibilities: either 1. everyone decided to shut down their Tor servers at once
> (ridiculous), or 2. my ISP is somehow blocking access to the Tor router network.
>
> As I understand Tor, when the program is started it queries a list of Tor routers from a router
> table (presumably from one of the Tor servers). With that list of Tor routers, it can then
> proceed to start creating circuits.
>
> At any rate, something's going on. I've looked through FAQs and the manual to find something
> that addresses this issue but can find nothing. With the apparent opposition there is to Tor,
> it's at least feasible to me that my ISP could be blocking Tor server IPs. Here's something
> interesting on the very subject.
>
> http://business.newsforge.com/busin...42.shtml?tid=19
>
> I thinks that pretty much sums it up. When you think about it, a network that is capable of
> completely encrypting and anonymizing net traffic for any user would be an ISP's worst
> nightmare, not to mention TLA's. Imagine if *everyone* were using Tor! There's be no way for
> ISP's to munch data, spy on their users and methodically build databases and/or psychological
> or habitual profiles of their users.
>
> Ok, ultra paranoid talk here. What if Mr. TLA was having Mr. ISP block access to all but 2 Tor
> routers in order to make traffic sniffing extremely easy? Sort of an off-white DoS attack. End
> of ultra paranoid talk.
>
> Anyway, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's all just a fluke. Anyone ever had something like
> this happen using Tor? I'd be very curious to know.
Which ports are they congesting?
I'll close them on my server.
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