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Attn: All Remops [attn: dizum]
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2006-12-04, 1:13 pm |
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I think given recent events an UDP for Eelbash would be in order. If not
worse, he has proven himself hostile to the remailer network.
Please discuss among yourselfs and think about how much less damage he
could do without having a remailer at his disposal that other remailer
accept traffic from.
Act Now! If for the sake of the pseudonym network alone!
Thomas
- --
Marcus: "Is it only one of us that leaves here or it is none?"
Vincent Moon: "I am afraid they want us all gone" "maybe they won't kill
us right away but sooner or later .." "so I thought why wait? Let's all
go out with a XXXXing bang right now" - final, Mean Guns (1997)
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| Anonyma 2006-12-05, 1:12 pm |
| On Mon, 04 Dec 2006, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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>Signature: 0x225CA009 Thomas J. Boschloo <boschloo@multiweb.nl>
>Date: Mon Dec 04 09:53:17 2006
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>I think given recent events an UDP for Eelbash would be in order. If not
>worse, he has proven himself hostile to the remailer network.
Agreed Eelbash needs to be ended once and for all.
Not UDP, but RDP (Remailer Death Penalty):
The agreement of all respected remops to remove eelbash from their stats
and dest-block his remailer address along with any new one's he creates.
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| Nomen Nescio 2006-12-05, 1:12 pm |
| On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, "[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse" <noreply@runaway-anon.net>
wrote:
>Thomas,
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>we think you are wrong.
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>Not the ones who are trying to put controls in place to avoid law
>violating abuse of remailers are the ones you should fight against. You
>should find against the ones who abuse remailers for purpose of law violation.
>These are the idiots which are exposing the whole idea of putting a
>remailer network in place.
>It has been put in place for example to allow people under non democratic
>regimes to critize their government or to communicate with for example
>amnesty international or other human rights organizations but is has
>definitely not been put in place to support idiots sending bomb threats to
>airports, railway stations or anywhere else.
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>These sons of a XXXXX doing this kind of stuff are responsible that exit
>remailers are forced to be shut down by LEAs. They are jeopardizing the
>whole remailer network by their abusing activities and they are finally
>responsible when more and more remailers are shut down.
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>You are making the things much too complex. The ones who are not
>considering ethics are not eelbash or other remops trying to reduce /
>limit abuse. The ones who use remailers to violate laws are the ones not
>considering ethics. If somebody sends a bomb threat it is suffficient if
>the LEA will get the first email and the LEA has the opportunity to opt-in
>to receive further emails from remailers. If an organizaton like amnesty
>international wants to receive email because they know that people living
>in non democratic states use remailer to communicate safely this
>organization can opt-in. Our association has analysed enough remailer
>traffic to tell you that the share of law violating abuse emails going
>through the remailer network is pretty and unacceptable high.
>We have seen too many remailers shutting down or going to middle man. The
>high percentage of abuse is a clear driver for this.
>The abusers are the ones who cause a bad remailer reputation and if that
>continues the idea and the remailer network is going to die. The abusers
>are by that the people who take may be away the opportunity to use
>remailers from those people who really need remailers for protection of
>privacy and freedom of speech or any other legal purposes.
>That's the reason why the abusers need to be stopped not the ones who
>develop ideas how to stop them.
>We will therefore fight with every means we have against the abusers to
>ensure that remailers continue to exist for the ones who uses them in a
>proper manner.
>Remailer abuse is very similiar to spam abuse in the "normal" email world.
>We all have to fight against it to keep remailers alive.
>To nwin the fight, new ideas are crucial.
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>Sincerely
>
>Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
SHUT UP EELBASH!
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| Eelbash Admin 2006-12-05, 1:12 pm |
| On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:31:58 -0500, Anonyma wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Dec 2006, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Agreed Eelbash needs to be ended once and for all.
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> Not UDP, but RDP (Remailer Death Penalty): The agreement of all respected
> remops to remove eelbash from their stats and dest-block his remailer
> address along with any new one's he creates.
You kids need to stop your foolishness. Think about it for one second and
you will realize that opt-in for emails (after the first one) is a simple,
effective way to put an end to email abuse by remailers.
It's a win-win situation: a win for the user who is automatically
protected from abusers, and a win for the remailers, who will be seen as
more responsible, instead of being seen as a bunch of adolescent fools
(that's unfair to remops, for the most part, but I believe that's how they
are perceived).
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| [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse 2006-12-05, 1:12 pm |
| The remops belonging to Remailer Anti Abuse Association will NOT support to block eelbash.
Your propaganda campaign against eelbash is similiar to what Hitlers regime did against jewish people.
You are old iron heads not being able to think new.
Sincerely
Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must be concerned, the others don't worry, be happy !)
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:44:16 +0100 (CET), [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse wrote in
Message-Id: <20061205174416.2A3936C1AE@remailer.paranoici.org>:
> The remops belonging to Remailer Anti Abuse Association will NOT support to block eelbash.
Which means that by delisting eelbash I can:
a) Express my distaste for his opt-in system.
b) Exclude banana from being suspected as one of yours.
Consider it done.
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| Non scrivetemi 2006-12-05, 7:13 pm |
| Zax wrote:
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> On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:44:16 +0100 (CET), [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse
> wrote in Message-Id:
> <20061205174416.2A3936C1AE@remailer.paranoici.org>:
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> Which means that by delisting eelbash I can:
> a) Express my distaste for his opt-in system.
> b) Exclude banana from being suspected as one of yours.
>
> Consider it done.
I noticed you had removed the jerk from your stats Zax, and almost
commented on it. But I figured it wasn't my place to make a public
announcement.
Good move. A bit over due as far as some people are concerned, but
you're a welcome addition to the more than half of the remailer network
that now blocks Eelbash.
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| Anonyma 2006-12-05, 7:13 pm |
| Eelbash Admin wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:31:58 -0500, Anonyma wrote:
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> You kids need to stop your foolishness. Think about it for one second
> and you will realize that opt-in for emails (after the first one) is
> a simple, effective way to put an end to email abuse by remailers.
Your idiocy won't end anything. In fact it will give abusers
brand new toys to play with.
>
> It's a win-win situation: a win for the user who is automatically
It is in deed a win-win situation, but not for the reasons you think.
More pingers and operators have blacklisted your useless XXX because of
this latest stupidity. You ARE going away, whether you like it or not.
I'd say that by the new year your efforts will have put you in the
position of having to try and open another remailer on the sly. Like
you've done in the past.
> protected from abusers, and a win for the remailers, who will be seen
> as more responsible, instead of being seen as a bunch of adolescent
> fools (that's unfair to remops, for the most part, but I believe
> that's how they are perceived).
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2006-12-05, 7:13 pm |
| On Tue, 05 Dec 2006, Eelbash Admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:31:58 -0500, Anonyma wrote:
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>You kids need to stop your foolishness. Think about it for one second and
>you will realize that opt-in for emails (after the first one) is a simple,
>effective way to put an end to email abuse by remailers.
>
>It's a win-win situation: a win for the user who is automatically
>protected from abusers, and a win for the remailers, who will be seen as
>more responsible, instead of being seen as a bunch of adolescent fools
>(that's unfair to remops, for the most part, but I believe that's how they
>are perceived).
SHUT UP EELBASH!
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2006-12-05, 7:13 pm |
| On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, "[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse" <
<nobody@mixminion.paranoici.org>> wrote:
>The remops belonging to Remailer Anti Abuse Association will NOT support
>to block eelbash.
>Your propaganda campaign against eelbash is similiar to what Hitlers
>regime did against jewish people.
>You are old iron heads not being able to think new.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
>(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must
>be concerned, the others don't worry, be happy !)
SHUT UP EELBASH!
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| Non scrivetemi 2006-12-06, 1:14 am |
| On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote:
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>On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:44:16 +0100 (CET), [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse wrote in
>Message-Id: <20061205174416.2A3936C1AE@remailer.paranoici.org>:
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>Which means that by delisting eelbash I can:
>a) Express my distaste for his opt-in system.
>b) Exclude banana from being suspected as one of yours.
>
>Consider it done.
Thank you Zax. By de-listing eelbash you are cleaning the internet of
garbage
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