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| [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse 2006-12-04, 7:14 pm |
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You are making the things much too complex. The ones who are not considering ethics are not eelbash or other remops trying to reduce / limit abuse. The ones who use remailers to violate laws are the ones not considering ethics. If somebody sends a bomb th
reat it is suffficient if the LEA will get the first email and the LEA has the opportunity to opt-in to receive further emails from remailers. If an organizaton like amnesty international wants to receive email because they know that people living in non
democratic states use remailer to communicate safely this organization can opt-in. Our association has analysed enough remailer traffic to tell you that the share of law violating abuse emails going through the remailer network is pretty and unacceptable
high.
We have seen too many remailers shutting down or going to middle man. The high percentage of abuse is a clear driver for this.
The abusers are the ones who cause a bad remailer reputation and if that continues the idea and the remailer network is going to die. The abusers are by that the people who take may be away the opportunity to use remailers from those people who really nee
d remailers for protection of privacy and freedom of speech or any other legal purposes.
That's the reason why the abusers need to be stopped not the ones who develop ideas how to stop them.
We will therefore fight with every means we have against the abusers to ensure that remailers continue to exist for the ones who uses them in a proper manner.
Remailer abuse is very similiar to spam abuse in the "normal" email world.
We all have to fight against it to keep remailers alive.
To nwin the fight, new ideas are crucial.
Sincerely
Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
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| Nomen Nescio 2006-12-04, 7:14 pm |
| On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, "[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse" <nobody@winstonsmith.info>
wrote:
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> Our association has analysed enough remailer
>traffic to tell you that the share of law violating abuse emails going
>through the remailer network is pretty and unacceptable high.
>Remailer abuse is very similiar to spam abuse in the "normal" email world.
>We all have to fight against it to keep remailers alive.
>To nwin the fight, new ideas are crucial.
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>Sincerely
>
>Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
Name your members. Name your Board members. If you can't you have zero
credibility, and will be written off as a mating between meqsuser and
eelbash, a trollish abomination.
Well? Prove you're more than just a fat-mouthed troll trying to stir up
trouble.
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| [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse 2006-12-04, 7:14 pm |
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We would be rather stupid to name our members or board. Anonymity is a key successfactor of our work.
Naming the members would allow the abusers to avoid / bypass the remailers belonging to our association. But what we want is to stop them abusing remailers for purpose of law violations. This will only work when they don't know who is belonging to us.
It is sufficient when the abusers realize that we really exist when they are catched by the LEAs to which we have reported them.
Sincerely
Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must be concerned)
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| Nomen Nescio 2006-12-04, 7:14 pm |
| On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, "[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse" <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca>
wrote:
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>We would be rather stupid to name our members or board. Anonymity is a key
>successfactor of our work.
Liar. You have no members, except the substandard one you're grabbing right
now.
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>Naming the members would allow the abusers to avoid / bypass the remailers
>belonging to our association. But what we want is to stop them abusing
>remailers for purpose of law violations. This will only work when they
>don't know who is belonging to us.
Liar.
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>It is sufficient when the abusers realize that we really exist when they
>are catched by the LEAs to which we have reported them.
The only remop who would get involved with crap like that is eelbash. But
his English is better than yours. However, it does almost look like you
messed up your English on purpose.
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>Sincerely
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>Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
>(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must
>be concerned)
Or not. You are just some sweaty loner freak crouched over your monitor in
a torn wife-beater tee-shirt, making shit up as you go along. Eelbash?
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| Anonymous 2006-12-05, 1:14 am |
| On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Nomen Nescio <eelbash-admin@dizum.com> wrote:
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>It's that simple. You are either for abuse and the end of the remailer
>system, or you are against it.
God DAMN, you crazy XXXXing oriental nutjob! Would you please start taking
your medication again?
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| nobody@dantooine.homelinux.net 2006-12-05, 1:14 am |
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> It's that simple. You are either for abuse and the end of the remailer
> system, or you are against it.
I would rather see all the remailers go up in smoke than support a
single eelbashism.
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| [Anon] StopRemailerAbuse 2006-12-05, 7:14 am |
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We are not dependent on you or others believe of our existance. You can continue to call us a liar. Those who believe you are at risk. May be you are at risk because it seems that you are supporting abusers or may be even abuse remailers by yourself ?
It is sufficient when the abusers realize that we really exist when they are catched by the LEAs to which we have reported them.
Sometimes we will start to publish / post some abusers and information about them here. That is much better then telling the names of our members.
Sincerely
Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must be concerned, the others don't worry, be happy !)
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| Anonymous 2006-12-05, 7:13 pm |
| On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, "[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse"
<nobody@nefarion.homelinux.net> wrote:
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>We are not dependent on you or others believe of our existance. You can
>continue to call us a liar. Those who believe you are at risk. May be you
>are at risk because it seems that you are supporting abusers or may be
>even abuse remailers by yourself ?
>
>It is sufficient when the abusers realize that we really exist when they
>are catched by the LEAs to which we have reported them.
>
>Sometimes we will start to publish / post some abusers and information
>about them here. That is much better then telling the names of our members.
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>
>Sincerely
>
>Remailer Anti Abuse Association (RAAA)
>(Only those remailer users who abuse remailers for violation of law must
>be concerned, the others don't worry, be happy !)
SHUT UP EELBASH!
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2006-12-08, 7:13 pm |
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[Anon] StopRemailerAbuse wrote:
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> To win the fight, new ideas are crucial.
Oh my, we certainly hit a problem there now didn't we?
Thomas
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It is ironic, that ultimately, it is the politicians that push for the
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