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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:45:58 -0700, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> Anna Apostolides wrote:
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> I winder if Teksavvy is aware that Eeltard is "reselling" access to their
> news servers?
This fellow may have a point, though not the one he thinks he has.
I have not been using Teksavvy's news server, but one we have a separate
account for, at Giganews.
Since Teksavvy farms out its news service to Giganews for its customers,
it may be that I am being authenticated by Teksavvy, but the news server
being used is that of Giganews.
But, I do not have a 'business' type connection at Giganews, just the
usual civilian one. If using that to allow messages from other people to
pass through it violates the Giganews TOS, then I am in the wrong.
I'll email Giganews to see what's what, but, in the meantime, I have
changed the outgoing connection to smtp, so that messages will be sent to
some other m2n gateway for posting in a newsgroup.
In my naiveté, I have always wondered how people who run m2n gateways
stay on the right side of their news servers - do you all have business
connections? If that's the case, I'll have to stay out of that game since
I don't have the budget for that kind of connection.
On the other hand, if you are using the same kind of civilian connection
that I have with Giganews, how do you protect yourself from people such as
the gentleman whose message I am replying to, the zealous, perhaps
over-zealous, protector of the TOSs of the world's news servers?
Do you give the sysadmins a bottle of Scotch at Christmas? Or do you just
hope your connections to the news servers aren't complained about?
It seems that anything other than a 'legal' business-type connection
leaves the m2n gateway vulnerable to the kind of extortion attempt we have
seen here.
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> I bet not. ;-)
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> TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
> 330 Richmond St.
> Suite 205
> Chatham, Ontario N7M1P7
> CA
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> Administrator: dnsadmin@teksavvy.com Abuse: abuse@teksavvy.com
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> Phone: 519-360-1575
> Fax: 519-360-1716
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> http://www.teksavvy.com
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| Thrasher Remailer 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| In article <pan.2006.03.27.13.10.09.188141@eelbash.org>
admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
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> I have always wondered how people who run m2n gateways
> stay on the right side of their news servers - do you all have business
> connections? If that's the case, I'll have to stay out of that game since
> I don't have the budget for that kind of connection.
It's called peering. You don't need an expensive connection or to pay
any money. The big mail2news servers like Dizum, Banana, LCS, Demon
and gradwell all operate through peering.
You could ask someone in the anonymity community who already has a
mail2news if you could peer with them. Alex maybe, but seeing you
called for a Usenet Death Penalty for Dizum, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Maybe Zax, if you haven't managed to piss him off in the past.
But I doubt anyone would peer with you because of your past actions, so
your best bet would be to find a usenet provider you can pay for that
has a very liberal TOS and won't mind you posting other peoples
messages. Bigapple seems to do that, and uses newsreader.com which
hasn't shut him down.
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| Anonymous 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| In article <pan.2006.03.27.13.10.09.188141@eelbash.org>
admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
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> I'll email Giganews to see what's what, but, in the meantime, I have
> changed the outgoing connection to smtp, so that messages will be sent to
> some other m2n gateway for posting in a newsgroup.
Then your 'utility' has lost the one thing that changed its status
from 'totally useless' to 'mostly useless'.
-=-
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| admin 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:41:30 +0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:
> In article <pan.2006.03.27.13.10.09.188141@eelbash.org> admin
> <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
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> It's called peering. You don't need an expensive connection or to pay any
> money. The big mail2news servers like Dizum, Banana, LCS, Demon and
> gradwell all operate through peering.
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> You could ask someone in the anonymity community who already has a
> mail2news if you could peer with them. Alex maybe, but seeing you called
> for a Usenet Death Penalty for Dizum, I wouldn't hold my breath. Maybe
> Zax, if you haven't managed to piss him off in the past.
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> But I doubt anyone would peer with you because of your past actions, so
> your best bet would be to find a usenet provider you can pay for that has
> a very liberal TOS and won't mind you posting other peoples messages.
> Bigapple seems to do that, and uses newsreader.com which hasn't shut him
> down.
Thanks. I've emailed newsreader.com after noting its header in a bigapple
message. If they ok using it for a gateway of sorts, I'll drop giganews
and switch to them.
I got an answer back from giganews after inquiring, and, as I expected,
they do not allow any sort of 'gateway'.
Peering is out because I'm not running a news server, which I believe
would be needed.
Obviously, each peer is supplying a feed of some kind to everyone else,
but how does that remove the TOS and expense problems?
It sounds like a topic that is worth discussing a bit, if only for its
educational value to remailer users. Even operators.
If I ever get a linux news server running, I might even try it.
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| BigappleAdmin 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| In article <69HMS8CD38803.9454861111@reece.net.au>
Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
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> In article <pan.2006.03.27.13.10.09.188141@eelbash.org>
> admin <admin@eelbash.org> wrote:
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> It's called peering. You don't need an expensive connection or to pay
> any money. The big mail2news servers like Dizum, Banana, LCS, Demon
> and gradwell all operate through peering.
>
> You could ask someone in the anonymity community who already has a
> mail2news if you could peer with them. Alex maybe, but seeing you
> called for a Usenet Death Penalty for Dizum, I wouldn't hold my breath.
> Maybe Zax, if you haven't managed to piss him off in the past.
>
> But I doubt anyone would peer with you because of your past actions, so
> your best bet would be to find a usenet provider you can pay for that
> has a very liberal TOS and won't mind you posting other peoples
> messages. Bigapple seems to do that, and uses newsreader.com which
> hasn't shut him down.
Correct. However I only use newsreader.com for ng@bigapple.yi.org, and the
guy who runs it knows that I'm doing it. I just needed to add a X-header
for complaints for him to allow it. I highly recommend newsreader.com.
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| Stephen K. Gielda 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| In article <00I2VG2038803.4309490741@anonymous>, Anonymous-
Remailer@See.Comment.Header says...
> In article <69HMS8CD38803.9454861111@reece.net.au>
> Thrasher Remailer <thrasher@reece.net.au> wrote:
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> Correct. However I only use newsreader.com for ng@bigapple.yi.org, and the
> guy who runs it knows that I'm doing it. I just needed to add a X-header
> for complaints for him to allow it. I highly recommend newsreader.com.
I'll second newsreader, Curt is a pretty cool guy and the service is
pretty solid as well.
/steve
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| George Orwell 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| admin wrote:
> I have not been using Teksavvy's news server, but one we have a separate
> account for, at Giganews.
<snip childish excuses and squirming>
The fact that Teksavvy gets theirs from Giga is obvious from path headers,
and completely irrelevant. It's THEIR account, you're a "personal class"
subscriber, and just like so many times in the past someone busted you
trying to weasel under the radar instead of just doing things the right
way. The way any reputable Remop would.
This is nothing more than another piece of Eelbash puzzle. You'll never
change. You've never shown yourself to be anything but a corner cutting,
incompetent, meddling, black mark on the remailer community, and you never
will be seen any other way. It's too late. You've invested way too much
effort in your unwaivering reputation. And the most pathetic thing is you
seem to believe otherwise. 
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| Thrasher Remailer 2006-03-31, 12:11 am |
| In article < 0544b7b0ff3b3d48ae6ab867275222fa@mixmast
er.it>
George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
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> This is nothing more than another piece of Eelbash puzzle. You'll never
> change. You've never shown yourself to be anything but a corner cutting,
> incompetent, meddling, black mark on the remailer community, and you never
> will be seen any other way. It's too late. You've invested way too much
> effort in your unwaivering reputation. And the most pathetic thing is you
> seem to believe otherwise.
But he has lovely lady lumps.
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