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What killed "Thrasher?"

TwistyCreek

2006-05-15, 7:12 pm

I wonder what, exactly, prompted the seizure of "Thrasher" by the
Aussie government?

The fact that terrorists and other savages can access the
Internet is a double edged sword against everybody else's right
to free speech. Countless criminals walk the streets of our
crime ridden cities, but governments don't shut down all the
streets because of it. They go after the criminals instead.
Well, sometimes they do, but not often enough it seems.

We don't want real criminals to have any advantage, but then we
don't want to surrender all of our own freedoms in the process.

I'm all for cracking down on criminal thugs, but if doing so
means that first world governments are going to end up shutting
down anonymous remailers everywhere, consider the consequences.

Who was it that said "I may disagree with you say, but I would
defend to the death your right to say it?"

I recently transitioned to using the remailers, because I had
some ugly experiences with communicating on usenet groups by
conventional news clients before.

There are some organized "net cop" elements out there who gang up
on people whose messages they don't agree with. If they don't
agree with you, they just flood your service provider with false
complaints and hate mail, until your provider cuts you off. You
can be polite and on topic, but all you have to do is disagree,
and bam!

It's reminiscent of the old soviet union, where if you didn't
parrot the "accepted" view, you were silenced and sent to a
gulag, or a forced labor camp, a siberian salt mine, or something
awful like that.

I am an American, and I would hope that the U.S. doesn't end up
tacking on an "S.R." to the abbreviation. I don't believe they
will, but Australia is a pretty close ally of the U.S., and look
what they just did to "Thrasher!" Could the U.S. and other
allied countries be far behind the curve on this?

If it comes down to shutting down remailers completely, with the
idea of fighting terrorist, pedophiles, and other bad guys, then
I would be in favor of friendly governments having copies of all
of the private remailer keys, provided that, in return, the feds
would guarantee that those remailers would not be tampered with,
or interfered with in any way.

I would estimate that folks who operate remailers are not going
to be amenable to that idea, but if what just befell "Thrasher"
ends up happening to the rest of the remailer network, might some
of the independent re mops reconsider?

I've seen claims that some remailers are already in league with
our government. If this is true, then it seems to have had
little effect on stopping ordinary messages from getting through,
unless they are being filtered for spam, and what not.

Would our government not want to help remailer operators who
voluntarily share their private remailer keys with them, in
return for some kind of "non interference" pact?

I'm just thinking out loud. I hate to see any good remailer bite
the big one, especially like "Thrasher" just did. Something
needs to be done, before this conflict of interests gets
completely out of hand, and we end up like Red China, where
freedom of speech is met with a firing squad.

Thomas J. Boschloo

2006-05-15, 7:12 pm

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TwistyCreek schreef:
[snipped liberally everywhere in this message]
> Who was it that said "I may disagree with you say, but I would
> defend to the death your right to say it?"

I disagree with what you say in this post and will fight your reasoning
behind it to the death.

> If it comes down to shutting down remailers completely, with the
> idea of fighting terrorist, pedophiles, and other bad guys, then

Next thing you know they will be after pedophile terrorists attacking
skyscrapers with toy planes.

> Would our government not want to help remailer operators who
> voluntarily share their private remailer keys with them, in
> return for some kind of "non interference" pact?

Trust noone. Not even the government. _Especially_ not the government.

Trust noone is the central thesis in every form of crypto that is not
key escrowed.

Regards,
Thomas
- --
Robert Heinlein: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and
shout"
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TwistyCreek

2006-05-15, 7:12 pm

On 15 May 2006, TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:

>If it comes down to shutting down remailers completely, with the
>idea of fighting terrorist, pedophiles, and other bad guys, then
>I would be in favor of friendly governments having copies of all
>of the private remailer keys, provided that, in return, the feds
>would guarantee that those remailers would not be tampered with,
>or interfered with in any way.

You're XXXXing kidding, right?

GOON: We want all your private keys and if you give us to them we promise
we won't use them.

HUMAN: Well if you're not going to use them, then you don't need them.

GOON: Just hand them over. The sooner we get them, the sooner we can
start not using them!

You'd have to be a XXXXing fool to think these scumbags can be trusted.

Anonyma

2006-05-16, 7:11 am

TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:

> If it comes down to shutting down remailers completely, with the
> idea of fighting terrorist, pedophiles, and other bad guys, then
> I would be in favor of friendly governments having copies of all
> of the private remailer keys, provided that, in return, the feds
> would guarantee that those remailers would not be tampered with,
> or interfered with in any way.

No government can be trusted not to go after its own dissidents. Look
at the way western democracies have treated G8 protesters for a recent
example.

TwistyCreek

2006-05-16, 1:12 pm

On Tue, 16 May 2006, Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
>
>No government can be trusted not to go after its own dissidents. Look
>at the way western democracies have treated G8 protesters for a recent
>example.

Apples and oranges. We were talking about using anonymous
remailers to send messages, and whether or not our government
should have full access to their private encryption keys, this,
in the wake of "Thrasher" being lawfully seized by Aussie
government agents, and how this could become a trend threatening
the very survival of the whole remailer network, were we not?
If you want to start another thread about left wing political
activists protesting out in the streets, this isn't the proper
news group to be doing it in. Try alt.activism, alt.anarchism,
or something like that.

And tell me who, in their right mind, would expect a "dissident"
remailer operator to cooperate with their government? Do you
imagine that everybody who runs a remailer is a leftist
renegade?

Just about anybody can set up and operate a remailer, no matter
what their political affiliation might be. There has been
speculation that some re mops are secretly cooperating with the
federal government. Maybe the N.S.A. is behind some of our
favorite remailers, who knows? But if al jazeera or the taliban
has set up a remailer system, then our government would want
full, clandestine access to their private encryption keys, would
they not?

Secret government agencies are in the business of keeping
secrets, lots of secrets. There are some who believe that
secret U.S. government agencies have already cracked encryption
keys and encrypted messages. The element of surprise is an
important asset in fighting crime. If the government really can
crack encryption, they certainly aren't going to go around
bragging about it in public. It is better to let the "experts"
continue to believe that pgp and other military grade encryption
algorithms can't possibly be cracked. Don't you agree?

People who fear being secretly monitored by the government, must
include some terrorists and other criminals who have dark
secrets, like pedophiles, drug dealers, gun smugglers, tax
cheats, or a self described moslim who sends out anonymous death
threats through the "Thrasher" remailer. If I were the
government, then I would want to know everything there is to
know about the person or persons who issued that specific
threat. Wouldn't you?

If "dissident" remailer operators don't feel allegiance to their
country, then how can they expect to operate with impunity,
while terrorists are setting off bombs and crashing airplanes
into buildings in our crowded cities?

I think that some of you people might be a little too paranoid
of modern democracy. This isn't Orwell's "1984" or something.
Look at how many public figures you see on the television news,
radical "dissident" university professors and politicians on the
left, are getting away with constant and vicious verbal attacks
against the U.S. government. All of these notorious
"dissidents" are still walking the streets, living lavish
lifestyles, free as a bird.

Contrary to what "dissidents" might believe, the U.S., at least,
is not the old U.S.S.R., or Nazi Germany, or Red China. Even
some of our dearest allies are less tolerant of incendiary free
speech than we are. If you don't understand these distinctions,
then maybe you need a history lesson, and a geography lesson.

Thomas J. Boschloo

2006-05-16, 7:12 pm

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TwistyCreek schreef:
> On Tue, 16 May 2006, Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
> Apples and oranges. We were talking about using anonymous
> remailers to send messages, and whether or not our government
> should have full access to their private encryption keys, this,
> in the wake of "Thrasher" being lawfully seized by Aussie
> government agents, and how this could become a trend threatening
> the very survival of the whole remailer network, were we not?
> If you want to start another thread about left wing political
> activists protesting out in the streets, this isn't the proper
> news group to be doing it in. Try alt.activism, alt.anarchism,
> or something like that.
>
> And tell me who, in their right mind, would expect a "dissident"
> remailer operator to cooperate with their government? Do you
> imagine that everybody who runs a remailer is a leftist
> renegade?
>
> Just about anybody can set up and operate a remailer, no matter
> what their political affiliation might be. There has been
> speculation that some re mops are secretly cooperating with the
> federal government. Maybe the N.S.A. is behind some of our
> favorite remailers, who knows? But if al jazeera or the taliban
> has set up a remailer system, then our government would want
> full, clandestine access to their private encryption keys, would
> they not?

If Al Qaida brushed their teeth each day some politicians these days
would call for a ban on toothpaste in order to stop terrorism.

> Secret government agencies are in the business of keeping
> secrets, lots of secrets. There are some who believe that
> secret U.S. government agencies have already cracked encryption
> keys and encrypted messages. The element of surprise is an
> important asset in fighting crime. If the government really can
> crack encryption, they certainly aren't going to go around
> bragging about it in public. It is better to let the "experts"
> continue to believe that pgp and other military grade encryption
> algorithms can't possibly be cracked. Don't you agree?

No, they go raid Thrasher so they can make sure that no traffic that is
decypherable for them will go through it anymore.

> People who fear being secretly monitored by the government, must
> include some terrorists and other criminals who have dark
> secrets, like pedophiles, drug dealers, gun smugglers, tax
> cheats, or a self described moslim who sends out anonymous death
> threats through the "Thrasher" remailer. If I were the
> government, then I would want to know everything there is to
> know about the person or persons who issued that specific
> threat. Wouldn't you?

My dark secrets are noones business but my own. I refuse to pay for a
government agency that tries to uncover them all.

> If "dissident" remailer operators don't feel allegiance to their
> country, then how can they expect to operate with impunity,
> while terrorists are setting off bombs and crashing airplanes
> into buildings in our crowded cities?

Now be honest. How much does that happen in reality? (airplanes hurting
the NY skyline). This 'terrorism' thing has gotten real old with me over
the recent years. I'll take my chances with them and those are better
than other things I and my relatives and loved ones can die of.

> I think that some of you people might be a little too paranoid
> of modern democracy. This isn't Orwell's "1984" or something.
> Look at how many public figures you see on the television news,
> radical "dissident" university professors and politicians on the
> left, are getting away with constant and vicious verbal attacks
> against the U.S. government. All of these notorious
> "dissidents" are still walking the streets, living lavish
> lifestyles, free as a bird.

It is an outrage! Rendition them so they can do no further harm!

> Contrary to what "dissidents" might believe, the U.S., at least,
> is not the old U.S.S.R., or Nazi Germany, or Red China. Even
> some of our dearest allies are less tolerant of incendiary free
> speech than we are. If you don't understand these distinctions,
> then maybe you need a history lesson, and a geography lesson.

Right now, your president, Mr. Bush junior, is planning a war on Iran
shorty prior to the America Presidency elections so he can get
re-elected. All because of stupid, scared, wimpy assholes such as
yourself. Head this words.

I am not afraid of terrorists.

I am afraid of what the world will become with morons like you taking
away more and more of our most basic freedoms.

Thomas
- --
Robert Heinlein: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and
shout"
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TwistyCreek

2006-05-16, 7:12 pm

On Tue, 16 May 2006, "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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>
>TwistyCreek schreef:
>
>If Al Qaida brushed their teeth each day some politicians these days
>would call for a ban on toothpaste in order to stop terrorism.
>
>
>No, they go raid Thrasher so they can make sure that no traffic that is
>decypherable for them will go through it anymore.
>
>
>My dark secrets are noones business but my own. I refuse to pay for a
>government agency that tries to uncover them all.
>
>
>Now be honest. How much does that happen in reality? (airplanes hurting
>the NY skyline). This 'terrorism' thing has gotten real old with me over
>the recent years. I'll take my chances with them and those are better
>than other things I and my relatives and loved ones can die of.
>
>
>It is an outrage! Rendition them so they can do no further harm!
>
>
>Right now, your president, Mr. Bush junior, is planning a war on Iran
>shorty prior to the America Presidency elections so he can get
>re-elected. All because of stupid, scared, wimpy assholes such as
>yourself. Head this words.
>
>I am not afraid of terrorists.
>
>I am afraid of what the world will become with morons like you taking
>away more and more of our most basic freedoms.
>
>Thomas
>- --
>Robert Heinlein: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and
>shout"
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I see you have earned a nasty reputation as being a "troll." I can
see why. You're irrational, angry, and resentful. You are
intolerant of others whose point of view you don't agree with.

But I'm a civilized guy, so I'll reply courteously, even though
people like you can't.

I don't believe that the U.S. government has much legal
jurisdiction, or political influence, in Holland, do we?

And isn't Amsterdam like the world headquarters for legalized
hard drugs, prostitution, pedophiles, and child pornography?

Bad mouthing Americans and the U.S. government doesn't further
your cause, whatever that is, either. Those who go around
calling people who they don't agree with "morons," "stupid,"
"scared," "wimpy assholes" should look at themselves in a mirror.

TwistyCreek

2006-05-17, 1:12 am

TwistyCreek wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
> I see you have earned a nasty reputation as being a "troll." I can see
> why. You're irrational, angry, and resentful. You are intolerant of
> others whose point of view you don't agree with.

Thomas has no such reputation, outside the accusations of trolls
themselves. He's probably one of the most easy going posters around, and
while I disagree with much of what he said above, it's stated as
inoffensively as it can be.

> But I'm a civilized guy, so I'll reply courteously, even though people
> like you can't.

.. taunted the troll. <sigh>

> I don't believe that the U.S. government has much legal jurisdiction, or
> political influence, in Holland, do we?

A lot more than you might think, regardless of how right or wrong that
influence might be.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/ju...dicial_657.html
http://www.nacdl.org/CHAMPION/ARTICLES/97aug02.htm
http://useu.usmission.gov/Article.a...2A-7A35ED59B095

> And isn't Amsterdam like the world headquarters for legalized hard
> drugs, prostitution, pedophiles, and child pornography?

No, it's not. The notion that drugs are legal in the Netherlands is an
urban myth, and the rest is just plain idiocy.

> Bad mouthing Americans and the U.S. government doesn't further your
> cause, whatever that is, either. Those who go around calling people who
> they don't agree with "morons," "stupid," "scared," "wimpy assholes"
> should look at themselves in a mirror.

Expressing his opinion is his right. Your responsibility is to deny it
with something more than shitflinging and hypocritical "troll" accusations.

Anonymous Sender

2006-05-17, 1:12 am

In article <446a3487$0$31637$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
...
>
> Right now, your president, Mr. Bush junior, is planning a war on Iran
> shorty prior to the America Presidency elections so he can get
> re-elected.

Just thought I'd better remind you Thomas, he *can't* be re-elected.
Thankfully.
You knew that, right? He's done used up his allotment.
I highly doubt his cronies have a shot either.

Anonymous Sender

2006-05-17, 1:12 am

In article <JF6YXIRA38853.8234027778@twistycreek.com>
TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
>
> I see you have earned a nasty reputation as being a "troll." I can
> see why. You're irrational, angry, and resentful. You are
> intolerant of others whose point of view you don't agree with.
>
> But I'm a civilized guy, so I'll reply courteously, even though
> people like you can't.
>
> I don't believe that the U.S. government has much legal
> jurisdiction, or political influence, in Holland, do we?
>
> And isn't Amsterdam like the world headquarters for legalized
> hard drugs, prostitution, pedophiles, and child pornography?
>
> Bad mouthing Americans and the U.S. government doesn't further
> your cause, whatever that is, either. Those who go around
> calling people who they don't agree with "morons," "stupid,"
> "scared," "wimpy assholes" should look at themselves in a mirror.

Look at the new guy.

Nomen Nescio

2006-05-17, 1:12 am

Boschaloon and his morphing sock puppet strikes again. :p

ROTFLMAO

Thomas J. Boschloo

2006-05-17, 7:12 am

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TwistyCreek schreef:
[snip]
> I don't believe that the U.S. government has much legal
> jurisdiction, or political influence, in Holland, do we?

Enough to get us to support the second war on Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2698153.stm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...0030327-10.html

> And isn't Amsterdam like the world headquarters for legalized
> hard drugs, prostitution, pedophiles, and child pornography?

Yeah, that is true. We like to prostitute little children while watching
child pornography and smoking pod.

> Bad mouthing Americans and the U.S. government doesn't further
> your cause, whatever that is, either. Those who go around
> calling people who they don't agree with "morons," "stupid,"
> "scared," "wimpy assholes" should look at themselves in a mirror.

Well, those were the most flattering words I could come up with at the
moment of posting.

Regards,
Thomas
- --
Robert Heinlein: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and
shout"
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Thomas J. Boschloo

2006-05-17, 7:12 am

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Anonymous Sender schreef:
> In article <446a3487$0$31637$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
> Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> ...
>
> Just thought I'd better remind you Thomas, he *can't* be re-elected.
> Thankfully.
> You knew that, right? He's done used up his allotment.
> I highly doubt his cronies have a shot either.

Phew, you won't believe how relieved I am because of this! But it is
true, the internet says so :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Unite...%2C_2
008

I will sleep a lot easier now. Maybe there won't even be a war in Iran,
I mean, what is the point of having a war if you can't win the elections
by it?!

Thanks,
Thomas
- --
Robert Heinlein: "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and
shout"
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Anonyma

2006-05-17, 1:12 pm

TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 May 2006, Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

You misunderstood me.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> People who fear being secretly monitored by the government, must
> include some terrorists and other criminals who have dark
> secrets, like pedophiles, drug dealers, gun smugglers, tax
> cheats, or a self described moslim who sends out anonymous death
> threats through the "Thrasher" remailer. If I were the
> government, then I would want to know everything there is to
> know about the person or persons who issued that specific
> threat. Wouldn't you?

The way governments treat protesters shows that if they had the keys
to identify "terrorists, pedophiles, and other bad guys" then they
would use their own definition of "other bad guys" which would be much
wider than yours and mine!

The history of the last 40 years shows that politicians and spy
agencies will lie, cheat, steal, and blackmail to try to keep
themselves in power.

Anonymous

2006-05-17, 1:12 pm

On 16 May 2006, TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:

>Contrary to what "dissidents" might believe, the U.S., at least,
>is not the old U.S.S.R., or Nazi Germany, or Red China. Even
>some of our dearest allies are less tolerant of incendiary free
>speech than we are. If you don't understand these distinctions,
>then maybe you need a history lesson, and a geography lesson.

Stupid Yankee moron. ESAD.

Non scrivetemi

2006-05-17, 7:12 pm

In article <5BRMZP1T38854.4922222222@anonymous.poster>
Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> On 16 May 2006, TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
>
> Stupid Yankee moron. ESAD.

Jealous XXXXXXX noted.

Non scrivetemi

2006-05-17, 7:12 pm

On 17 May 2006, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>On 16 May 2006, TwistyCreek <anon@comments.header> wrote:
>
>
>Stupid Yankee moron. ESAD.

And yet you post through a remailer hosted in the US, using a system
designed in the US, to run on machines invented in the US.

Perhaps a little jealous that your pissy little country has be left in the
technological dust? Probably a pathetic pissy little bitty country, that is
perfectly happy to accept technology and foreign aid from the US, and then
act like a bunch of XXXXing ingrates.

Or maybe a former penal colony, whose inhabitants are not allowed to defend
themselves, having been disarmed by their own government and are subject to
random raids by the Stasi.

You can eat MY shit. You won't die, it would probably be the tastiest, most
nutritious thing you've had all week if I'm right about where you're from.

Nomen Nescio

2006-05-17, 7:12 pm

In article <446b0cbd$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> I will sleep a lot easier now. Maybe there won't even be a war in Iran,
> I mean, what is the point of having a war if you can't win the elections
> by it?!

You get to kill people!

Nomen Nescio

2006-05-17, 7:12 pm

On Wed, 17 May 2006 23:00:07 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article <446b0cbd$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
> Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
>
> You get to kill people!

And you blow shit up!

TwistyCreek

2006-05-18, 7:12 am

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

> In article <446b0cbd$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
> Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> You get to kill people!
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And because I get to blow shit up.

"Hoo-Ya!"

Fake Rolex

2006-05-18, 7:12 pm

Goodness. A moderately sensible thread on
APAS. What is the world coming to?

Anonymous

2006-05-19, 1:13 am

On Wed, 17 May 2006, "Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>On 17 May 2006, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
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>And yet you post through a remailer hosted in the US, using a system
>designed in the US, to run on machines invented in the US.

>Perhaps a little jealous that your pissy little country has be left in the
>technological dust? Probably a pathetic pissy little bitty country, that is
>perfectly happy to accept technology and foreign aid from the US, and then
>act like a bunch of XXXXing ingrates.

I live in a country with one of the top ten standards of living in the world.
That top ten list doesn't include your XXXXhole nation, which doesn't
even have adequate health care.

Also I live somewhere I don't have to put up with Americans like you,
the most vicious and evil population since Hitler's Nazis. It will be fun
watching your country go down the toilet when the Chinese call in their
debt. You morons are in hock up to your eyeballs and it will be
hilarious watching you worthless Yanks go the way of the British.

Soon you will be living in a wretched hovel of a nation, full of flag
waving products of incest who still haven't noticed your country
has become a third rate shithole despised and mocked by the
civilized world.

But keep worshipping Dubya. I love Dubya, he's destroying America
more than anyone else could.

Anonymous

2006-05-19, 1:13 am

Non scrivetemi

2006-05-19, 1:13 am

On 19 May 2006, Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 May 2006, "Non scrivetemi"
><nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>
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>I live in a country with one of the top ten standards of living in the world.
>That top ten list doesn't include your XXXXhole nation, which doesn't
>even have adequate health care.
>
>Also I live somewhere I don't have to put up with Americans like you,
>the most vicious and evil population since Hitler's Nazis. It will be fun
>watching your country go down the toilet when the Chinese call in their
>debt. You morons are in hock up to your eyeballs and it will be
>hilarious watching you worthless Yanks go the way of the British.
>
>Soon you will be living in a wretched hovel of a nation, full of flag
>waving products of incest who still haven't noticed your country
>has become a third rate shithole despised and mocked by the
>civilized world.
>
>But keep worshipping Dubya. I love Dubya, he's destroying America
>more than anyone else could.

Uh huh. Ya really think so, huh? Let me know once that's happened, ok?

TwistyCreek

2006-05-20, 1:12 am

Anonymous wrote:

> On Wed, 17 May 2006, "Non scrivetemi"
> <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
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> I live in a country with one of the top ten standards of living in the
> world. That top ten list doesn't include your XXXXhole nation, which
> doesn't even have adequate health care.

He lives in Canada?