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COTSE IS A THIEF (MY MISTAKE - I WAS WRONG)
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-17, 7:13 pm |
| My Bad, I should have read the whole form before signing up. I retract my
earleir statement about Cotse and apologize. My own fault for not reading
everything first. Stupid me.
A prospective customer
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| Anonymous 2007-10-18, 1:14 am |
| On Oct 17, 1:00 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> My Bad, I should have read the whole form before signing up. I retract my
> earleir statement about Cotse and apologize. My own fault for not reading
> everything first. Stupid me.
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> A prospective customer
I use him all the time. He responds to e-mails no problem. He does not
post to Usenet anymore. He got fed up with the kids I think..Cotse
works fine.
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-18, 1:14 am |
| Anonymous wrote:
> On Oct 17, 1:00 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
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> I use him all the time. He responds to e-mails no problem. He does not
> post to Usenet anymore. He got fed up with the kids I think..Cotse
> works fine.
>
yeah, Like I said It was my bad. he set my account up and everything works
fine its a good service. I was just pissed off because I signed up using an
anonymous debit Visa card (bought from UA) using a Gmail account and a
proxy. I just had to send him a message from an ISP so I sent a message
from an AOL account (also setup with the prepaid debit card). I can
understand his concern for fraud as I suspect there is a lot of it out
there.
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:4ad03dabdb948a2bbb2805a27f61011b@di
zum.com...
> Anonymous wrote:
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> yeah, Like I said It was my bad. he set my account up and everything works
> fine its a good service. I was just pissed off because I signed up using
> an
> anonymous debit Visa card (bought from UA) using a Gmail account and a
> proxy. I just had to send him a message from an ISP so I sent a message
> from an AOL account (also setup with the prepaid debit card). I can
> understand his concern for fraud as I suspect there is a lot of it out
> there.
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Using a prepaid Visa debit card should be acceptable. The funds would clear
immediately. I would wonder why someone wanted to have a traceable ISP
detail and credit/debit card to cross reference to user logs. Doesn't every
service need to keep logs, they do in the UK, Germany and other countries
incase of legal action. It defeats the point of "being anonymous" if all
your details can be handed over on demand.
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| Stephen K. Gielda 2007-10-18, 7:12 pm |
| On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:16:16 +0100, mike@xfactoriscrap.co.uk Mike wrote:
<4717e951$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
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> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:4ad03dabdb948a2bbb2805a27f61011b@di
zum.com...
> Using a prepaid Visa debit card should be acceptable. The funds would clear
> immediately. I would wonder why someone wanted to have a traceable ISP
> detail and credit/debit card to cross reference to user logs.
Prepaid cards are fine, but we have no way of knowing if they are a
prepaid card unless told because they look the same as a credit card to
us. It says during payment that if using a prepaid or gift card to
please contact us first so it doesn't get declined. If we're not
contacted first it is treated as a regular credit card by our
processing, which means all details are checked and must verify. If
they don't, it looks like fraud to us.
In this case I didn't know it was a prepaid card, I saw a card flagged
by the bank as possible fraud (meaning name and address didn't match
with CVV2) using an open proxy in a different country than the CC
address and a free e-mail account. That screams stolen card to me. The
first contact by the user was something along the lines of "WTF you
stole my money", when I pointed out it was not submitted and just a
preauth and also pointed out the page he/she skipped reading there was
an apology and things were straightened out.
In general, credit cards are not anonymous, the bank has a name,
address, and phone attached to them. We have a lot of attempts at using
stolen card numbers with us, in excess of 10 per day. Besides getting
hit with a $25 chargeback fee in addition to taking back the money every
time one slips through (there is no way we're going to take a daily $250
+ loss), we are at risk of losing our merchant account and the ability
to accept any cards at all if too many slip through.
So we must be very strict with them and have many restrictions to
accepting them (which is why the payment page is required reading when
paying by CC and skipping reading it usually results in a decline for
failure to abide by the restrictions). Usually someone trying to be
anonymous using a non-anonymous payment method like a CC is fraud.
If you want to be anonymous to us, the best way is a mailed money order.
But remember, we can't make you anonymous when you have to both connect
to us and pay us unless you are anonymous to us in both connecting and
paying. We're just a privacy oriented web hosting, e-mail, and proxy
service. A paid service like ours cannot provide anonymity by itself.
> Doesn't every
> service need to keep logs, they do in the UK, Germany and other countries
> incase of legal action.
There is no legal requirement yet in the US to keep logs, but you need
them for security, abuse, and troubleshooting purposes.
/steve
--
Packetderm, LLC
Web hosting, SSH Tunneling, Proxies, Advanced E-Mail, Privacy
http://www.cotse.net
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-19, 1:14 am |
| Mike wrote:
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> "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:4ad03dabdb948a2bbb2805a27f61011b@di
zum.com...
> Using a prepaid Visa debit card should be acceptable. The funds
> would clear immediately. I would wonder why someone wanted to have a
> traceable ISP detail and credit/debit card to cross reference to user
> logs.
Some people aren't concerned with being untraceable. They just want a
layer of protection between them and the spammers/stalkers. A reputable
privacy service like Cotse is the perfect tool for the job.
http://www.cotse.net
> Doesn't every service need to keep logs, they do in the UK,
> Germany and other countries incase of legal action. It defeats the
> point of "being anonymous" if all your details can be handed over on
> demand.
You're confusing privacy and anonymity. Two different things. If you're
anonymous it doesn't matter if they keep logs because whatever they log
is useless for the purposes of identifying you. That's why remailers
messages can be archived on Google and the people posting them will
still be safe.
Privacy services can use logs to track you down because they're single
hop proxies. They know who you are anyway.
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| Anonymous Sender 2007-10-25, 1:14 am |
| Ari wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:16:16 +0100, Mike wrote:
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> Bingo. No such thing as anonymity.
So anonymity is like barcode encryption and 40 acre nuclear test
facilities then?
Thanks for clearing that up. 
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-25, 1:14 am |
| Ari wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:16:16 +0100, Mike wrote:
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> Bingo. No such thing as anonymity.
^^^^^^^^^
You misspelled "bar code encryption".
LOL!!
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| traveler 66 2007-10-25, 1:15 am |
| Anonymous Sender wrote:
> Ari wrote:
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> So anonymity is like barcode encryption and 40 acre nuclear test
> facilities then?
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> Thanks for clearing that up.
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LOL
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| On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:36:46 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:
> Ari wrote:
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Doesn't every[vbcol=seagreen]
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> So anonymity is like barcode encryption and 40 acre nuclear test
> facilities then?
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> Thanks for clearing that up.
Exactly. Neither exist and neither ever have. You need a new line....that's
not made of cocaine.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-25, 7:14 am |
| traveler 66 cried:
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| On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:49:36 -0800, traveler 66 wrote:
> Anonymous Sender wrote:
would clear[vbcol=seagreen]
ISP[vbcol=seagreen]
Doesn't every[vbcol=seagreen]
countries[vbcol=seagreen]
all[vbcol=seagreen]
> LOL
Hey, traveler, are sheep safe around you or only babies and young cunts
your prey?
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| Anonymous 2007-10-26, 7:16 am |
| Ari wrote:
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> Exactly. Neither exist and neither ever have.
So you were flat out LYING when you claimed your retarded bar code
encryption was making you money.
<sarcasm>
What a surprise.
</sarcasm>
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| On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:49:11 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
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> So you were flat out LYING when you claimed your retarded bar code
> encryption was making you money.
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> <sarcasm>
> What a surprise.
> </sarcasm>
Idiot, pay attention, there is no such thing as "barcode encryption".
There is our patented PDF417 that has data that requires our libraries
and Blowfish/Twofish encryption to use.
Data is encrypted, barcodes are images. Got it? Write it down, I shall
lecture you no more.
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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