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Stego: what about SD cards instead?
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-18, 1:14 am |
| I was just wondering--and I'm probably wrong--but with the high
capacity of SD cards and MINI SD cards, don't they make an extremely
good media for hiding data just because their size makes them so
hideable.
I'm probably wrong but thought I'd bring it up.
Regards
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| Anonymous 2007-10-19, 7:11 pm |
| Nomen Nescio wrote:
> I was just wondering--and I'm probably wrong--but with the high
> capacity of SD cards and MINI SD cards, don't they make an extremely
> good media for hiding data just because their size makes them so
> hideable.
>
> I'm probably wrong but thought I'd bring it up.
I think you're on teh right track. Stego is mostly worthless snake oil.
And for average users it's dangerous because their tools will be so
inferior to the tools used by agencies like the FBI.
What you're sort of hinting at here is some sort of actual physical
security. Putting your sensitive data on some removable device and then
making it physically inaccessible.
In my opinion that's a far superior plan to trying to salt it into some
other file and relying on dumb luck.
>
> Regards
>
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-20, 1:14 pm |
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Anonymous schreef:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> I think you're on teh right track. Stego is mostly worthless snake oil.
> And for average users it's dangerous because their tools will be so
> inferior to the tools used by agencies like the FBI.
>
> What you're sort of hinting at here is some sort of actual physical
> security. Putting your sensitive data on some removable device and then
> making it physically inaccessible.
>
> In my opinion that's a far superior plan to trying to salt it into some
> other file and relying on dumb luck.
Here.
Take this USB stick and shove it up your XXX
::gives USB stick to Eelbash Admin::
Thomas
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| Anonymous 2007-10-21, 1:14 am |
| Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
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> Anonymous schreef:
>
> Here.
>
> Take this USB stick and shove it up your XXX
> ::gives USB stick to Eelbash Admin::
You seem to have a real fixation with shoving things up asses.
>
> Thomas
> - --
> A society with suicide bombers
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| Doctor Who 2007-10-21, 1:14 am |
| On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:23:26 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org>
wrote:
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>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
>I think you're on teh right track. Stego is mostly worthless snake oil.
>And for average users it's dangerous because their tools will be so
>inferior to the tools used by agencies like the FBI.
>
>What you're sort of hinting at here is some sort of actual physical
>security. Putting your sensitive data on some removable device and then
>making it physically inaccessible.
>
>In my opinion that's a far superior plan to trying to salt it into some
>other file and relying on dumb luck.
>
Why bother with encryption at all in that case. If the data is so well
hidden, why have encryption?
I am amazed at how many in this group meekly take this stego business
so lightly. So many accepting that because there is software available
to search for stego we must just turn over on our tummies and take it
lying down.
If you live in one of those countries where you do not have to incriminate
yourself by handing over the key, then simple encryption should suffice.
If you live in Grate Britain then that is no defence. Unless the contents
of your encrypted container will get you more than 2 years jail, then
it might be best to hand over the key. But 2 years is a hell of a long
time to suffer to protect the principle of personal privacy. Thus the
strong need for someway to justify the inability to open the encrypted
volume or to be able to open it and show it is empty. Or at least
apparently empty. If you could use stego inside an encrypted volume,
substituting random encrypted data for other random encrypted data,
then nobody would be any the wiser. Suspicious yes, but provable, no.
Better to be a suspect than a convicted felon for refusing to give up the
key.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-21, 1:14 am |
| Doctor Who wrote:
>
> Why bother with encryption at all in that case. If the data is so well
> hidden, why have encryption?
Good point. With strong enough physical security you don't need it.
Unfortunately for most of us it's a little impractical to rely on
hardened bunkers guarded by military elite who can be counted on to
pull the pins on the thermite charges if compromise is inevitable. So
we fall back on the next best thing.
> I am amazed at how many in this group meekly take this stego business
> so lightly. So many accepting that because there is software available
> to search for stego we must just turn over on our tummies and take it
> lying down.
I'm amazed at how much you can babble about nothing at all. Nobody but
you said anything of the sort, but we're still not willing to waste
our time dicking around with half baked ideas of clueless noobs who
don't care to educate themselves regarding the fact that their
silliness has already been scrutinized by experts, and dismissed.
Much like the rest of your post except for the "scrutinized" part. 
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-21, 7:13 am |
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Anonymous schreef:
[snip]
> You seem to have a real fixation with shoving things up asses.
Since you are the only XXX Admin present in this group (besides
Bananas), you should consider yourself lucky.
Thomas
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-21, 7:13 am |
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Anonymous schreef:
> Doctor Who wrote:
[snip]
>
> Good point. With strong enough physical security you don't need it.
>
> Unfortunately for most of us it's a little impractical to rely on
> hardened bunkers guarded by military elite who can be counted on to
> pull the pins on the thermite charges if compromise is inevitable. So
> we fall back on the next best thing.
You have quite a romantic view of the military. Never spend any time as
a draftee in the army. Did you? You think the 'military elite' will give
their lives to safe your sorry XXX from jail?
Dream on boy.
Not even Blackwater would protect your sorry XXX if you had the money to
pay for them (get a REAL job)
>
> I'm amazed at how much you can babble about nothing at all. Nobody but
> you said anything of the sort, but we're still not willing to waste
> our time dicking around with half baked ideas of clueless noobs who
> don't care to educate themselves regarding the fact that their
> silliness has already been scrutinized by experts, and dismissed.
Experts. Experts. There was one student in computer science that
wandered by and left again. And suddenly we have two experts in this
group? I am sure that that student likes that he suddenly fights
'nonsense' alongside with you. You are who you socialize with.
Thomas
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| Anonymous 2007-10-21, 7:13 am |
| Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
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> Anonymous schreef:
> [snip]
>
> You have quite a romantic view of the military. Never spend any time
Jesus Christ dumbass, you're so XXXXing pathetic you're even replying
to pure sarcasm like a rabid little mouse.
Take a break or something. You're REALLY starting to lose it.
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-21, 1:12 pm |
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Anonymous schreef:
[snip]
> Jesus Christ dumbass, you're so XXXXing pathetic you're even replying
> to pure sarcasm like a rabid little mouse.
>
> Take a break or something. You're REALLY starting to lose it.
You didn't use sarcasm at all. You used a hyperbole. And this hyperbole
reflected your understanding of the world. In which you believe some
people get to be protected by their own private army.
You need to start working out what people would want of YOU before you
tell them want you want of them in return. As it will turn out, you have
nothing to offer to nobody in any facet of your pathetic existence. You
have nothing to offer than anger channeled through a facade of anonymity.
Go get help
Thomas
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A society with suicide bombers
is a polite society
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| Anonymous 2007-10-21, 7:11 pm |
| Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
> You didn't use sarcasm at all.
That's exactly what it was. You're so desperate after having your
brainsick rants thrown back in your face for so long you're reduced to
blindly lashing out at anything and everything. Becoming more and more
pathetic every time they let you near a computer, Thomas. In that
twisted mind of yours I'm sure you probably think your banal attempts
at wit serve some useful purpose, but all you're really doing is making
you look like a bigger braying XXX each time you go there.
Likewise the way you crystallize your amentia by going off on your
Eel/Frog tear every other post. An obvious but failed attempt to put a
face to your demons, you can't even delude yourself with any
consistency. One day you see frogs, then next, eels.
Got any proof for any of your stupidity or anything loon? Or do you have
anything useful to offer to the discussion at all? Can you refute the
fact that hardened physical security will serve as a substitute for
strong encryption in some scenarios, but encryption is more practical
for most, or is your life nothing but repetitive sessions of endless
self-debasement?
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-22, 1:13 pm |
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Anonymous schreef:
[snip]
> Got any proof for any of your stupidity or anything loon?
My proof is as good as you can get proof on usenet. You really think my
name is Thomas? Can you proof I didn't just point randomly in a
phonebook I had laying around when I brought up that name?
> Or do you have
> anything useful to offer to the discussion at all?
I have some gut feeling I saw verified over the last weeks.
There was someone who quite cleverly insulted you (everyone hates your
guts kind of insult). Clearly it worked because YOU have been repeating
that rant occasionally for some time now in an attempt to deal with it
and ridicule it. How do I know the first one was not yours? Well, that
will be my little secret, won't it.
Script-Kiddie used the same tactics as you use here. Repeat the same
rant ad infinitum. Till it stops being funny. So there is the link with
Frog-Admin.
> Can you refute the
> fact that hardened physical security will serve as a substitute for
> strong encryption in some scenarios,
Yeah, you can put an USB stick up your XXX as a substitute for encryption.
> but encryption is more practical
> for most,
Yeah, you could find something more practical than an USB stick up your
XXX all day.
> or is your life nothing but repetitive sessions of endless
> self-debasement?
It probably is. It probably is.
Thomas
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A society with suicide bombers
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-24, 7:13 am |
| Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
> Script-Kiddie used the same tactics as you use here. Repeat the same
> rant ad infinitum. Till it stops being funny.
Just like your asstarded Frog/Eel rants.
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| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Anonymous schreef:
> [snip]
>
> Since you are the only XXX Admin present in this group (besides
> Bananas), you should consider yourself lucky.
Did you just call Zax an XXX?
Ungrateful cunt.
>
> Thomas
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| George Orwell 2007-10-24, 7:13 pm |
| "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Anonymous schreef:
>
> Here.
>
> Take this USB stick and shove it up your XXX
What is it with you and shoving things up your XXX?
> ::gives USB stick to Eelbash Admin::
>
> Thomas
> - --
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| On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:45:27 +0200, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>
> Here.
>
> Take this USB stick and shove it up your XXX
>::gives USB stick to Eelbash Admin::
Since when does traveller66 XXXXXXX become "inacessible"?
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| Anonymous Sender 2007-10-24, 7:13 pm |
| Ari wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:45:27 +0200, Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>
>
> Since when does traveller66 XXXXXXX become "inacessible"?
Taking a break from flooding the remailer network with random text I
see.
FLUSH!
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| On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:34:13 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:
> Ari wrote:
>
>
> Taking a break from flooding the remailer network with random text I
> see.
>
> FLUSH!
Uh, no, considering I think it's positively ridiculous to you remailers,
etc. never had, never will, there for you children who believe they
offer some kind of protection against some kind of whothefukkknowswhat
that your over-inflated self-evaluation leads you to believe.
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-25, 1:15 am |
| Ari wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:34:13 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:
>
>
> Uh, no, considering I think it's positively ridiculous to you
> remailers, etc. never had, never will, there for you children who
That's "use", "have", and "they're".
Your obvious panic is as good as an admission. Not like we didn't know
it was you all along anyway, after you XXXXed up and posted a series of
messages in the nude. Ooops.
Simple minded dullard. You're like the retarded spawn of an unholy
union between Kenny Pigbarn and Frog Admin. Do you even realize you
outed yourself, or are you really standing in the middle of a room with
a pee stain showing wondering why everyone is snickering at you?
> believe they offer some kind of protection against some kind of
> whothefukkknowswhat that your over-inflated self-evaluation leads you
> to believe.
What are you babbling about? Most of the time you're erupting in
Tourette syndrome inspired rants roughly equivalent to Barney Fife
being some sort of Ub3rhax0r. Now you're doing a 180 and claiming law
enforcement doesn't even exist as a threat?
Put the bottle down and step away Ari. No good is coming out of it
today.
| |
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| On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:40:11 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Ari wrote:
>
>
> That's "use", "have", and "they're".
>
> Your obvious panic is as good as an admission. Not like we didn't know
> it was you all along anyway, after you XXXXed up and posted a series of
> messages in the nude. Ooops.
>
> Simple minded dullard. You're like the retarded spawn of an unholy
> union between Kenny Pigbarn and Frog Admin. Do you even realize you
> outed yourself, or are you really standing in the middle of a room with
> a pee stain showing wondering why everyone is snickering at you?
>
>
> What are you babbling about? Most of the time you're erupting in
> Tourette syndrome inspired rants roughly equivalent to Barney Fife
> being some sort of Ub3rhax0r. Now you're doing a 180 and claiming law
> enforcement doesn't even exist as a threat?
>
> Put the bottle down and step away Ari. No good is coming out of it
> today.
I am sure you enjoy reading your own foolishnessness, hell, I even get a
tickle watching you flap around. But let's cut to the hase, me, shall we?
XXXXing show me one ounce of proof that I have ever, once, one time, ever,
used a remailer and I will blow your dick.
Well, skip that, let's not give you something you actually want.
Proof?
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| Anonymous 2007-10-25, 7:14 am |
| Ari wrote:
> I am sure you enjoy reading your own foolishnessness, hell, I even get a
> tickle watching you flap around. But let's cut to the hase, me, shall we?
Hase Hase (h[=a]z), v. t. [Obs.]
See Haze, v. t.
Haze Haze, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Hazed (h[=a]zd); p. pr. & vb.
n. Hazing.] [Also hase.] [Cf. Sw. haza to hamstring, fr.
has hough, OD. h[ae]ssen ham.]
To harass or annoy by playing abusive or shameful tricks
upon; to humiliate by practical jokes; -- used esp. of
college students, as an initiation rite into a fraternity
or other group; as, the sophomores hazed a freshman.
[1913 Webster]
Gonna have to agree with you there Kid. You are all about being an
obnoxious adolescent. I think you're probably the only one here who
doesn't get along with anyone at all. Even the "trolls" have each other.
> XXXXing show me one ounce of proof that I have ever, once, one time, ever,
> used a remailer and I will blow your dick.
You sound just a little too eager. ;)
What we can show evidence of is your playing around with Markov chains,
and identical messages posted through remailers here and elsewhere.
You didn't actually deny doing it either, you just demanded proof.
Because in spite of how you yap yap yap about there being no anonymity,
you do know remailers are safe.
> Well, skip that, let's not give you something you actually want.
>
> Proof?
You smell just like your partner traveller 66 Ari, demanding that
someone post links to messages where he admitted being a paedophile
after he thought he was safe too.
You'll slip one day even worse than you already have, and at that moment
a preponderance of evidence will become stone cold reality for you.
Have a good laugh until then.
| |
|
| On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
> Gonna have to agree with you there Kid. You are all about being an
> obnoxious adolescent. I think you're probably the only one here who
> doesn't get along with anyone at all. Even the "trolls" have each other.
Aw, gee, I guess I am going to have to get a remailer and play anonymous
for no XXXXing good reason just to be like you and the Boys. lol
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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|
| On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
>
> You sound just a little too eager. ;)
>
> What we can show evidence of is your playing around with Markov chains,
> and identical messages posted through remailers here and elsewhere.
The do it.
> You didn't actually deny doing it either, you just demanded proof.
> Because in spite of how you yap yap yap about there being no anonymity,
> you do know remailers are safe.
Keep on believin' it, go right ahead.
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-25, 7:12 pm |
| Ari wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
>
>
> Aw, gee, I guess I am going to have to get a remailer and play anonymous
> for no XXXXing good reason just to be like you and the Boys. lol
Interesting that you keep evading the Markov posts you let slip from
your Yahoo! persona by fixating on proof that you use remailers. A
stench similar to the one that follows traveler 66 around after he
forgot to "change his nics". And you even have the same Message-ID
format as a number of that pervert's posts.
Hm.
Could it be Ari is really the Privacy.LIE pedophile sock puppet,
spending his wretched life acting like scum and then attacking itself?
I suppose stranger things have happened....
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| Anonymous Sender 2007-10-26, 1:14 am |
| Ari wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
>
>
> The do it.
Did you mean to say "then do it"?
The thread "PDF417 On Military Form", cross posted to comp.text.pdf
alt.comp.freeware alt.privacy. and sci.crypt. These and others...
Message-ID: <pkblieabfc1f%.ro6ps4eo8tb0-.fta@40tude.net>
Message-ID: <slfarbdbdf5d-.ew2oi3dv4ec6-.asd@40tude.net>
Message-ID: <feacoaedfb2c-.de0os9bo5bb3_.cbb@40tude.net>
Sci.crypt is the target of your flooding apparently. Makes sense, as
they didn't take to your bullshit any better than we did here in the
privacy groups. So apparently you went on a "mission" posting the same
randomly generated text in bulk. The same methods real spammers use to
evade filters, except rather than money being a motivation you did it
for purely childish retaliatory purposes.
It's the same crap you've posted here and other places like alt.hacker
too Ari. Exact same method, different "seed" text. Except that you
usually post through remailers in those groups but somehow confused
your accounts and added this group to one of your spam sessions, and
posted it through an account with your real name on it.
>
>
> Keep on believin' it, go right ahead.
You're the one who posted the crap partner, not me. If you have a
different explanation the by all means out with it. Until then we can
only believe what our eyes tell us and no amount of petty bickering
about "proof" from you will change that.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-26, 1:14 am |
| Ari wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
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> Aw, gee, I guess I am going to have to get a remailer and play anonymous
> for no XXXXing good reason just to be like you and the Boys. lol
You'll have to grow a brain and develop a personality too, but if you
work hard enough you might drag yourself out of the gutter.
If there's anything we can do to help please don't hesitate to ask.
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| On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:22:17 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender wrote:
> Sci.crypt is the target of your flooding apparently. Makes sense, as
> they didn't take to your bullshit any better than we did here in the
> privacy groups. So apparently you went on a "mission" posting the same
> randomly generated text in bulk. The same methods real spammers use to
> evade filters, except rather than money being a motivation you did it
> for purely childish retaliatory purposes.
>
> It's the same crap you've posted here and other places like alt.hacker
> too Ari. Exact same method, different "seed" text. Except that you
> usually post through remailers in those groups but somehow confused
> your accounts and added this group to one of your spam sessions, and
> posted it through an account with your real name on it.
>
anonymity,[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> You're the one who posted the crap partner, not me. If you have a
> different explanation the by all means out with it. Until then we can
> only believe what our eyes tell us and no amount of petty bickering
> about "proof" from you will change that.
Jesus, you are one screwed pooch.
Enjoy chasing my shadows. lol
Me? I'm going back to work and make a whole lot more money.
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| On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:10:35 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
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> Interesting that you keep evading the Markov posts you let slip from
> your Yahoo! persona by fixating on proof that you use remailers.
Good job reading. lol
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:10:35 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Could it be Ari is really the Privacy.LIE pedophile sock puppet,
> spending his wretched life acting like scum and then attacking itself?
You got me. And to top it off, I *act* like a hyooge Cotse supporter to
throw sleuths like you offmark.
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:16:13 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:
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> You'll have to grow a brain and develop a personality too, but if you
> work hard enough you might drag yourself out of the gutter.
>
> If there's anything we can do to help please don't hesitate to ask.
I see it takes a brain to use a remailer and all the time thinking how
safe you are.
I got it, thx.
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-31, 7:15 am |
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Mr X. schreef:
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Anonymous schreef:
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> Did you just call Zax an XXX?
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> Ungrateful cunt.
B.A.N.A.N. XXX
Don't you watch MTV or something?
Here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZkL3i6wLip8
Thomas
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| Thomas J. Boschloo 2007-10-31, 1:14 pm |
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Nomen Nescio schreef:
> Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
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> Just like your asstarded Frog/Eel rants.
SHUT UP, EELBASH
Thomas
- --
A society with suicide bombers
is a polite society
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| zerofreedom admin 2007-10-31, 7:12 pm |
| I would like to ad to that. I have thought of that too. Consider this,
your I-Pod or portable media player can be used as an external drive for
storing personal data. When you got through airports and such, no is
thinking that have any more than just music or movies on them. I did
that recently. You can also encrypt the data that is hidden on them as
well.
What are your thoughts on that?
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