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Alternatives to Quicksilver/JBN
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| George Orwell 2007-10-21, 7:11 pm |
| What alternatives are available and where can they be found.
Thanks.
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
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| Anonymous 2007-10-21, 7:11 pm |
| "George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
news:6f951c388f0db77f8178742d2c512f79@mi
xmaster.it...
> What alternatives are available and where can they be
> found.
> Thanks.
>
Do you mean for Windows? There don't appear to be any, but it
depends on your requirements. You could, for example, use
Mixmaster command line to post, as I am doing here, after
formatting your message in Notepad. It depends on how paranoid
you are, and how much of your correspondence you think would be
interesting to Big Brother.
Quicksilver and JBN both appear to be dated. Quicksilver is useful
to me for creating and manipulating nym server accounts, but
getting its other features to actually work appears to be too much
of a chore for me. Perhaps if you are a Windows programmer you
could grab the source code and bring one or both up to date.
Both PGP and GPG integrate somewhat into popular Windows email
programs. With some practice, one can get rather good at using
them. This message was created and sent using Notepad, Mixmaster
2.9b38msvc and Outlook Express.
Cheers,
Anonymous
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| jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
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Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
>"George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote in message
> news:6f951c388f0db77f8178742d2c512f79@mi
xmaster.it...
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>Do you mean for Windows? There don't appear to be any, but it
>depends on your requirements. You could, for example, use
>Mixmaster command line to post, as I am doing here, after
>formatting your message in Notepad. It depends on how paranoid
>you are, and how much of your correspondence you think would be
>interesting to Big Brother.
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>Quicksilver and JBN both appear to be dated. Quicksilver is useful
>to me for creating and manipulating nym server accounts, but
>getting its other features to actually work appears to be too much
>of a chore for me. Perhaps if you are a Windows programmer you
>could grab the source code and bring one or both up to date.
>
Question. Vista seems to disable jbn and qs. Are jbn and qs obsolete?
I use old pc with windows sp2. New laptop with vista incompatible.
Would like automatic program like these, not "hand roll" improvisation, if
available for vista.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
| <jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
news:01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@re
mailer.metacolo.com...
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> Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
> Question. Vista seems to disable jbn and qs. Are jbn and qs
> obsolete? I use old pc with windows sp2. New laptop with
> vista incompatible.
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> Would like automatic program like these, not "hand roll"
> improvisation, if available for vista.
>
Three alternatives come to mind.
1) Source is available. Fix whatever is broken in JBN or
Quicksilver that makes it incompatible with Vista. As a
retired Windows programmer, I can assure you that programming
for Windows sucks. That's why I don't do it anymore. I would
of course be glad for whatever improvements someone else
makes. It might be as simple as recompiling with new libraries
and header files. I am sure if you started this project you
could get lots of technical help here.
2) Stop whining and hand roll all your encrypted messages.
3) Try Anonymizer or other commercial alternative.
Cheers,
Anonymouse
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| Doctor Who 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
| On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:05:01 +0000 (UTC), jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com wrote:
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>Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
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[vbcol=seagreen]
>Question. Vista seems to disable jbn and qs. Are jbn and qs obsolete?
>I use old pc with windows sp2. New laptop with vista incompatible.
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>Would like automatic program like these, not "hand roll" improvisation, if
>available for vista.
The more I hear about Vista, the less I like it. I have post-poned upgrading
because of it. I am tempted to go down the Linux route, except my one
and only experience was very painful. No PnP. Maybe things are better
now. . .
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| Doctor Who 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
| On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:53:55 +0100 (BST), Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
><jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
> news:01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@re
mailer.metacolo.com...
>Three alternatives come to mind.
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>1) Source is available. Fix whatever is broken in JBN or
>Quicksilver that makes it incompatible with Vista. As a
>retired Windows programmer, I can assure you that programming
>for Windows sucks. That's why I don't do it anymore. I would
>of course be glad for whatever improvements someone else
>makes. It might be as simple as recompiling with new libraries
>and header files. I am sure if you started this project you
>could get lots of technical help here.
>
>2) Stop whining and hand roll all your encrypted messages.
>
>3) Try Anonymizer or other commercial alternative.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Anonymouse
Or 4. Go back to XP and continue enjoying the advantages of
QS and JBN.
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| George Orwell 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
| In article < 01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@remaile
r.metacolo.com>
jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com wrote:
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> Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
> Question. Vista seems to disable jbn and qs. Are jbn and qs obsolete?
QS works just fine in Vista.
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-22, 1:14 am |
| In article
<3abe112cf7cb892ca7d16a2a0dfdef16@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
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> <jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
> news:01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@re
mailer.metacolo.com...
> Three alternatives come to mind.
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> 1) Source is available. Fix whatever is broken in JBN or
> Quicksilver that makes it incompatible with Vista. As a
> retired Windows programmer, I can assure you that programming
> for Windows sucks. That's why I don't do it anymore. I would
> of course be glad for whatever improvements someone else
> makes. It might be as simple as recompiling with new libraries
> and header files. I am sure if you started this project you
> could get lots of technical help here.
QS source is available for review only. Richard says individuals can
compile existing code for their own use. Distribution is not
permitted.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-22, 7:14 am |
| George Orwell wrote:
> In article < 01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@remaile
r.metacolo.com>
> jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com wrote:
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> QS works just fine in Vista.
Depends 100% on your version of Vista.
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| Can somebody confirm that Quicksilver does work with Vista. What feature do and do not work Quicksilver when run it on Vista.. That it is not some troll just posting that it does .Many people have Vista and it would be useful to know rather then downloadi
ng it and trying and finding that it does not in fact work. I can confirm at JBN does not work as I tried it a while back.
support@quicksilvermail.net
i e-mailed the question here as well.
I am running Vista Home Basic
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| Non scrivetemi 2007-10-22, 7:13 pm |
| Doctor Who wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:05:01 +0000 (UTC), jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com wrote:
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> The more I hear about Vista, the less I like it. I have post-poned upgrading
> because of it. I am tempted to go down the Linux route, except my one
> and only experience was very painful. No PnP. Maybe things are better
> now. . .
Vista is a disaster. Best thing that ever happened to Linux, or XP for
that matter.
Linux hardware abstraction layers are light years beyond Windows PnP at
this point in my opinion. Mainstream distributions like PCLinuxOS,
Ubuntu/Debian/Mint, Fedora, MEPIS, openSUSE, et al detect and load
proper drivers for 99% of the hardware out there without having to swap
disks. And you can add peripherals like printers, scanners, and cameras
without having to reboot. Most of them "just work".
There's still a few gaps caused by vendor negligence so it's advisable
to do a little research if you're married to a particular piece of
hardware, but even some of those can be worked around with tools like
ndiswrapper and SPCA.
With the huge selection of available LiveCD releases it's silly to at
least not test run Linux if you're curious, and having VMWare available
would make it even more so because you could install and have a full
blown test platform that could be blown away in the blink of an eye.
For that matter, partition tools included with most Linux distributions
rival or surpass their commercial Windows counterparts.
If you just want to play around I'd say download Knoppix. It seems to
have the best overall hardware compatibility for a "Live" distribution.
If you're shopping for a general purpose desktop distribution that you
would want to install permanently, Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS would be my two
top recommendations with Debian Testing a close third (I've
installed/run almost two dozen distributions over the years).
If you need to conserve space then Damn Small or Puppy would probably
be your best bet, but you'll sacrifice hardware compatibility on the
"fringes" of new technology and well as old. Bleeding edge and obsolete
drivers are among the first things to go when paring down a
distribution.
If you want a real "hackers" distribution then take a look at
Slackware. It also comes in a close third in the space saving
department because it makes compiling custom kernels without all the
unnecessary extras your hardware doesn't use comparatively easy. Lean
and mean is the philosophy.
I don't recommend RPM based distributions like Fedora in general,
because the packaging system suffers from some inherent flaws that
are mostly a non-issue for people who aren't power users or developers.
Or people with specific needs. For an average Joe Fedora is probably as
good a choice as any (but a bit more bloated than most distributions in
my opinion).
Whatever you decide you can't go wrong giving modern Linux
distributions a shot. It's a highly stable, much more secure platform
from which to conduct your privacy business. And there's more and better
tools from which to choose that ride atop that stable, secure base.
Expect both a learning curve, and much better overall results. ;-)
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| Anonymous 2007-10-22, 7:13 pm |
| Mr X. wrote:
> Can somebody confirm that Quicksilver does work with Vista.
It both does, and does not. 
There's 6(?) different versions of Vista with nearly as many security
models as I understand it. Some of them allow you to configure the
usage of "unauthorized" programs, and some do not.
> I am running Vista Home Basic
I think you're out of luck. Sorry.
Not being a Windows user at all I both lack first hand knowledge and
couldn't care less about researching the subject, but I do believe that
the Basic versions disallow much latitude when it comes to running
applications not approved by a holy edict from Gates himself. For
that you need the "Permium" or "Pro" versions.... whatever the hell
they're called.
Or Linux. Download the latest Ubuntu Desktop (7.10) version...
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
Burn it to CD, boot to it, make sure everything works, then click the
"Install" icon so you can blow away the Windows infection[1] that's
infesting your otherwise perfectly usable machine, and begin enjoying
your computing experience again. ;)
[1] It's not really necessary to nuke Windows, in fact many people
never do. Ubuntu will install to a secondary partition that you can
create using tools on the Ubuntu Desktop CD. This dual boot
configuration allows you to use both by rebooting the machine and
selecting one or the other. You can use this as a "transitional" setup
until you get use to the Linux way, or you can just use each operating
system as it's designed to be used. Windows as a toy, and Linux for
everything else. <grin>
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| Borked Pseudo Mailed 2007-10-23, 1:14 am |
| In article < 855ba1a1a8ceaef2f787f84bb69bf2d4@pboxmix
.winstonsmith.info>
"Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
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> Vista is a disaster.
It works perfectly here, not to mention the fact that most of the software
I use doesn't run on a Linux system. You can bash Vista all you want, the
fact of the matter is that it works for me.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-23, 1:14 am |
| Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
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> It works perfectly here, not to mention the fact that most of the software
> I use doesn't run on a Linux system. You can bash Vista all you want, the
> fact of the matter is that it works for me.
Pretty meaningless. We've seen a couple examples of how "works for me"
is still broken, right here in this group within the last couple
weeks. ;)
Vista is a disaster. That's not bashing, that's a simple statement of
fact. I'd be saying the very same thing about the recent Ubuntu Feisty
release if it were as big a turd as Vista is.
Even Microsoft admits it's a disaster. So much so that they've been
grudgingly forced to breathe new life into XP by allowing OEM's to ship
new machines with fresh copies of of that superseded OS. That's
*unprecedented* in the world of operating systems, and nearly unheard
of in the software industry in general.
As far as Windows in general goes there's nothing evil about it. It's
child of a corporate behemoth so it naturally suffers from mild
retardation, but it's nothing and intelligent user can't fix up pretty
easily.
As far as Windows and privacy goes though, it's been a disaster since
day one. Some of the most mind bogglingly inept core decisions have
placed it in the dubious position of being the world's first and only
sustainable malware platform. But even that's not "evil" per say. In
fact, unless you're the type who thinks sexual harassment victims
"wanted it" because they dressed a certain way you have to place blame
of the actual mayhem on the shoulders of those who take advantage of
those poor decisions.
No, Windows doesn't deserve to be picked on any more than any other poor
retarded kid wandering God's earth with that deer in the headlights look
on their face does, but you don't want "challenged" individuals ending
up with their fingers on any important buttons either. You have to be
realistic about it without being vicious. Best thing is to keep them
entertained. Give them a game pad, sit them down in front of a really
pretty HD monitor, feed them three times a day, and wash out their
diapers when they're full.
Oh wait... was I talking about the mentally challenged, or Windows?
;-P
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| anonymous 2007-10-23, 1:14 am |
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<jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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mailer.metacolo.com...
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> Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote:
> Question. Vista seems to disable jbn and qs. Are jbn and qs obsolete?
> I use old pc with windows sp2. New laptop with vista incompatible.
I use Windows XP and QS locks up constantly with the can't wipe file error,
then closes. Also can't find another email service that allows the
forwarding.
> Would like automatic program like these, not "hand roll" improvisation, if
> available for vista.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-23, 7:14 am |
| Anonymous wrote:
> Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
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> Pretty meaningless. We've seen a couple examples of how "works for me"
> is still broken, right here in this group within the last couple
> weeks. ;)
>
> Vista is a disaster. That's not bashing, that's a simple statement of
> fact. I'd be saying the very same thing about the recent Ubuntu Feisty
> release if it were as big a turd as Vista is.
>
> Even Microsoft admits it's a disaster. So much so that they've been
> grudgingly forced to breathe new life into XP by allowing OEM's to
> ship new machines with fresh copies of of that superseded OS. That's
> *unprecedented* in the world of operating systems, and nearly unheard
> of in the software industry in general.
>
> As far as Windows in general goes there's nothing evil about it. It's
> child of a corporate behemoth so it naturally suffers from mild
> retardation, but it's nothing and intelligent user can't fix up pretty
> easily.
>
> As far as Windows and privacy goes though, it's been a disaster since
> day one. Some of the most mind bogglingly inept core decisions have
> placed it in the dubious position of being the world's first and only
> sustainable malware platform. But even that's not "evil" per say. In
> fact, unless you're the type who thinks sexual harassment victims
> "wanted it" because they dressed a certain way you have to place blame
> of the actual mayhem on the shoulders of those who take advantage of
> those poor decisions.
>
> No, Windows doesn't deserve to be picked on any more than any other
> poor retarded kid wandering God's earth with that deer in the
> headlights look on their face does, but you don't want "challenged"
> individuals ending up with their fingers on any important buttons
> either. You have to be realistic about it without being vicious. Best
> thing is to keep them entertained. Give them a game pad, sit them
> down in front of a really pretty HD monitor, feed them three times a
> day, and wash out their diapers when they're full.
>
> Oh wait... was I talking about the mentally challenged, or Windows?
ROTFL!
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> ;-P
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| Nomen Nescio 2007-10-23, 7:14 am |
| In article <ffk2jr$e8t$1@aioe.org>
"anonymous" <phadra@invalid.com> wrote:
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> <jbnuser@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
> news:01d0b338fdbc09b10569d0b520f2d8d7@re
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> I use Windows XP and QS locks up constantly with the can't wipe file error,
> then closes. Also can't find another email service that allows the
> forwarding.
Have you tried rebooting when you get the can't wipe file? Works for
me.
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| anonymous 2007-10-24, 7:13 am |
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"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ffk2jr$e8t$1@aioe.org>
> "anonymous" <phadra@invalid.com> wrote:
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> Have you tried rebooting when you get the can't wipe file? Works for
> me.
That only worked for awhile. It doesn't work anymore.
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| Anonymous 2007-10-26, 1:14 am |
| In article <ffk2jr$e8t$1@aioe.org>
"anonymous" <phadra@invalid.com> wrote:
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> I use Windows XP and QS locks up constantly with the can't wipe file error,
> then closes. Also can't find another email service that allows the
> forwarding.
Try deleting unwanted mail from your mailboxes and clearing the
session logs.
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