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Utility to rename files

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-03-26, 7:14 pm

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I don't know if this will be of interest, but I figure being able to do
mass-renames of files in a folder can be a great time-saver on occasion
and this utility will do that.

It was written by a Python guru named Mike Elliot. I'm using it on a linux
system but I guess it can be run in windows with the Python interpreter.

The only thing I could find in linux was kfilereplace, which is junk,
whereas this little program is very snappy.

If you want to try it, get it from ftp:

server: ftp://eelbash.yi.org
user: eichen
password: anything

It's in a folder called 'names'. There are two files, init.ini, and the
python program, renfiles. Set up the ini file the way you want it and look
at the comments. It should be clear as to how to run it.

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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-03-27, 7:12 am

In article <20070326195427.yF7bsVq40hcz@anonymous.poster>
admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> I don't know if this will be of interest, but I figure being able to do
> mass-renames of files in a folder can be a great time-saver on occasion
> and this utility will do that.

If you could maybe enlighten us as to how a rename utility is on
topic in a group about anonymity?

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-27, 7:12 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

> In article <20070326195427.yF7bsVq40hcz@anonymous.poster>
> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> If you could maybe enlighten us as to how a rename utility is on
> topic in a group about anonymity?

When he's done with that, maybe he could enlighten us as to what it
is that makes him think underscores and dashes are "shell unfriendly"
characters, and why he decided a file naming utility that completely
hoses files with certain patterns of those characters is a useful
utility.

Check it out. It's even more whack than your usual Eeldork crap.
Completely unusable even if it did work. You have to edit a XXXXing
"ini" file every time you want to rename something.

No, I'm NOT kidding.

76 lines of Python and a static config file to completely screw up a
task you can accomplish with a couple lines of bash script. A single
line if you want to get cute about it.

>

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-03-27, 7:12 am

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:06:32 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> In article <20070326195427.yF7bsVq40hcz@anonymous.poster>
> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> If you could maybe enlighten us as to how a rename utility is on
> topic in a group about anonymity?

Isn't it obvious? 5000 files with names that begin: my_plans_to_kill_bush
are changed to begin with: god_bless_america. Would you like to rename
them manually?

Gogarty

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

In article < a02b350053a7b51752606c5b5f6bde49@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>,
anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it says...
>
>
>On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:06:32 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>
>Isn't it obvious? 5000 files with names that begin: my_plans_to_kill_bush
>are changed to begin with: god_bless_america. Would you like to rename
>them manually?
>
Simmer down, everybody. There is a very nice and simple program called
"AS5.EXE" that renames files. Easiest thing in the world. I think it's
freeware. I use it often, mostly for renaming digital photos. It allows you
to change the name and the sequence, i.e., OldPic5642.jpg to
NewPic01.jpg,..02.jpg, etc.

Gogarty

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

In article < 7f64cf2a7cdea0dcb1069b9b8d6e353e@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>,
anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it says...
>
>
>In article <20070326195427.yF7bsVq40hcz@anonymous.poster>
>admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>If you could maybe enlighten us as to how a rename utility is on
>topic in a group about anonymity?
>
Simple. Revealing names can be changed to innocuous ones, e.g.,
MyNudeGirl.jpg to MyCat.jpg.

Anonymous Sender

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:30:31 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> accomplish with a couple lines of bash script. A single
> line if you want to get cute about it.

Examples?

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:30:31 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> a file naming utility that completely
> hoses files with certain patterns of those characters

Proof?

George Orwell

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

Anonymous Sender <anonymous@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:30:31 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> Examples?

Would have already been provided to a normal human being along with
some suggestions on how to fix the problem.

Since we're talking about a cretin whose done nothing but try to anal
rape privacy and anonymity... Go fish.

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-03-27, 1:12 pm

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I'm pleased to hear that a file name replacement utility can be created
with one or two lines of code. Amazing. But until that has been revealed
to the world, I thought I'd continue with the utility written by the
python guru and added to by me.

I created a simple set of prompts that make editing the ini file simpler
and which save the entries from one use to the next.

You can download the Python program, renfiles, and the ini file, init.ini,
from ftp:

ftp://eelbash.yi.org
user: eichen
password: anything

Put the two modules in the same directory, and then type in the path to
renfiles at a command prompt.

Let me know how it goes.

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Anonyma

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

Gogarty wrote:

> In article < 7f64cf2a7cdea0dcb1069b9b8d6e353e@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>,
> anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it says...
> Simple. Revealing names can be changed to innocuous ones, e.g.,
> MyNudeGirl.jpg to MyCat.jpg.

That's (almost) the silliest thing you've posted to date. If you think
hiding sensitive data by renaming files is some sort of useful privacy
tool, you quite obviously don't possess anything even remotely
resembling a clue.

As with most of Jiang Wu's idiocy this is nothing but a completely
broken version of something that gives a false sense of security. It
will either roast your data to a crisp, or leave you bent over at the
waist with your cheeks pried as far apart as physically possible.

And just to take away any doubts about your own competence, you jump up
and try to defend an inherently flawed and dangerous idea as "easily
recognized security"....

Bravo!

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:30:31 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> Proof?

Eelbash XXXXed with it. What more proof do you need.

Go ahead and run it if you don't believe him.

Good luck!

>

Anonyma

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

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> I'm pleased to hear that a file name replacement utility can be created
> with one or two lines of code. Amazing. But until that has been revealed
> to the world, I thought I'd continue with the utility written by the
> Python guru and added to by me.

I guess it should come as no surprise to anyone that you're just too
damned dumb to realize something written as an academic exercise by a
"Python guru" might not necessarily be the best, fastest, most
efficient, or smallest LOC way to accomplish a task.

No more surprising than finding out you're totally ignorant of shell
script for loops, sed, and awk anyway.

> Let me know how it goes.

It goes very poorly if you try to rename groups of files differentiated
primarily by similar patterns of your alleged [BAD SYMBOLS]. What
hereto before unknown level of gross incompetence is it that makes you
believe things like - and _ aren't perfectly acceptable and sometimes
necessary file name characters anyway?

You've also coded in a global bug you're not aware of because you're
completely oblivious of Python's scoping rules, not that we'd EVER
expect you to attain a level of understanding that would let you figure
that one out.

Gogarty

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

In article <5e363b979e18723683143ed123cabcc3@deuxpi.ca>,
anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca says...
>
>
>Gogarty wrote:
>
>
>That's (almost) the silliest thing you've posted to date. If you think
>hiding sensitive data by renaming files is some sort of useful privacy
>tool, you quite obviously don't possess anything even remotely
>resembling a clue.
>
>As with most of Jiang Wu's idiocy this is nothing but a completely
>broken version of something that gives a false sense of security. It
>will either roast your data to a crisp, or leave you bent over at the
>waist with your cheeks pried as far apart as physically possible.
>
>And just to take away any doubts about your own competence, you jump up
>and try to defend an inherently flawed and dangerous idea as "easily
>recognized security"....
>
>Bravo!

>
I see you are back in full flower, totally ignorant as usual and rude to
boot.

I gave you the name of a program that changes file names. No muss, no
fuss, no bother, no eelbash, whatever. Don't like it? Fine. No skin off
my nose. Or is it once again that you can't keep track of whom you are
fighting with at the moment.

And if you don't think changing file names gives some degree of
protection against low-level snoops, well, just go spew your elitism all
over somebody else. Nobody's talking about name changing as protection
against forensic methods.

Anonyma

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> I see you are back in full flower, totally ignorant as usual and rude to
> boot.

Awwwww.... did diddums get his widdle feewings hurt?

You'll find alt.mommys.arms two groups down to the left cupcake.

> I gave you the name of a program that changes file names. No muss, no

Yeah. In the context that changing file names might "hide something".
It's called security through obscurity. Loot it up. It's a fallacy.

> fuss, no bother, no eelbash, whatever. Don't like it? Fine. No skin off
> my nose. Or is it once again that you can't keep track of whom you are
> fighting with at the moment.
>
> And if you don't think changing file names gives some degree of
> protection against low-level snoops, well, just go spew your elitism all

LOL!

What a typical lamer reply. When someone points out the fact you're
spreading bullshit scream "elitist".

Here's your daily LART: In the world of privacy and anonymity there's a
few things anyone with any clue at all knows are complete jokes.
Renaming files is one of them.

> over somebody else. Nobody's talking about name changing as protection
> against forensic methods.

Who the XXXX said anything about forensics? Do you even have a clue
what THAT means?

Guess not.

Gogarty

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

In article <79fda4b0d93d8089b57d3649702bc40f@deuxpi.ca>,
anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca says...
>
>
>Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Awwwww.... did diddums get his widdle feewings hurt?
>
Oh my! Once again, the name of the file name chnaging application is
AF5.EXE. Very useful for renaming large numbers of files for whatever reason
you like.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:48:59 -0400, Anonyma wrote:

> Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Awwwww.... did diddums get his widdle feewings hurt?
> You'll find alt.mommys.arms two groups down to the left cupcake.
> What a typical lamer reply....bullshit...
> Who the XXXX...

Whoever said 'when you lie down with lice you get lousy' sure knew what he
was talking about.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-27, 7:12 pm

Gogarty wrote:

[...]
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> I gave you the name of a program that changes file names. No muss, no
> fuss, no bother, no eelbash, whatever. Don't like it? Fine. No skin
> off my nose. Or is it once again that you can't keep track of whom
> you are fighting with at the moment.

You offered up a tool, attached to a premise that using it would make
sensitive data less obtainable. You even chose an initially provocative
file name to drive that point home. Unfortunately for you and whatever
point you thought you were making it's widely known that security
through obscurity is no security at all. Your attempt to tap dance your
away around that fact now by feigning "just suggested a file naming
utility" ignorance won't change anything. You bought into a lie,
repeated it, and now you're just going to have to face it or live with
the consequences. That's the way it works. Sorry.

> And if you don't think changing file names gives some degree of
> protection against low-level snoops, well, just go spew your elitism all
> over somebody else. Nobody's talking about name changing as protection
> against forensic methods.

Changing file names doesn't protect you from anyone, let alone snoops
of any type. Snoops are by definition the sort file renaming WON'T
succeed against because even the "casual" variety are people who at
their core expect to find things in places that aren't immediately
apparent. That's what delimits snoops, from innocent bystanders. And
innocent bystanders are no threat to your security at all because they
simply don't care. So trivialities like renaming badfile.jpg to
goodfile.jpg protects you from precisely nobody.

And forensics is a wholly reactive process subsequent to some other
compromise or breakage. If an attacker is forensically analyzing data,
your file naming scheme is an already faded memory, kiddo.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 1:14 am

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:48:59 -0400, Anonyma wrote:
>
>
> Whoever said 'when you lie down with lice you get lousy' sure knew what he
> was talking about.

Whoever said 'I smell rotting fish every time you open your mouth' did
too.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-03-28, 1:14 am

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:33:37 -0400, Anonyma wrote:

> I guess it should come as no surprise to anyone that you're just too
> damned dumb to realize something written as an academic exercise by a
> "Python guru" might not necessarily be the best, fastest, most
> efficient, or smallest LOC way to accomplish a task.

Then why don't you do the linux users a favor by telling them where to
find file-renaming utilities that are better, faster, more efficient?

Or write one yourself and present it as a gift to the community.

>
> No more surprising than finding out you're totally ignorant of shell
> script for loops, sed, and awk anyway.

Shocking! Nerds and Geeks all over the place must be sneering.

macarro

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> In article <20070326195427.yF7bsVq40hcz@anonymous.poster>
> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> If you could maybe enlighten us as to how a rename utility is on
> topic in a group about anonymity?
>

Actually it is important how you name your private files because they
maybe safely erased but their names may remain in the registry (Windows)
and other places, so you wont be able to deny you never had such file
eg: mydiary.doc or mycat.jpg found but not recovered, still good
evidence you kept a diary and took pictures of your cat. Questionable
evidence on its own, but not so much when bundled together with other
pieces.

Now, to batch rename files in Windows, higlight one file, click CTRL+A
and then rename OR higlight file and add others with CTRL+ mouse click
and then rename OR just use one of the million freeware utilities that
exist on the web far more user friendly.

--

Customized news: http://news.spotback.com

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> Then why don't you do the linux users a favor by telling them where to
> find file-renaming utilities that are better, faster, more efficient?

Look, sonny, Linux users know that every scenario requires a different
combination of tools. They don't need to find them. They have all
the necessary utilities on board. find and ls, for and while, awk and sed
and all the other small utilities they can use to transform one string into
another.

Oh sorry. I know, you are a Linux-wannabe yourself and cannot think beyond
a mouseclick.

i=0; for f in *Stupid*.jpg; do mv $f eelbash$i.jpg; i=$(($i+1)); done

Gogarty

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

In article <c4362f1eeeba0ad05a32407ebbd43f4f@dizum.com>, nobody@dizum.com
says...
>
>
>Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>
>Look, sonny, Linux users know that every scenario requires a different
>combination of tools. They don't need to find them. They have all
>the necessary utilities on board. find and ls, for and while, awk and sed
>and all the other small utilities they can use to transform one string into
>another.
>
>Oh sorry. I know, you are a Linux-wannabe yourself and cannot think beyond
>a mouseclick.
>
>i=0; for f in *Stupid*.jpg; do mv $f eelbash$i.jpg; i=$(($i+1)); done
>
Oooooh! You're so smart! May I touch your hem?

Pompous XXX.

Gogarty

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

In article <1b2c51c8430a4d39e2ce839f0a980dd2@dizum.com>, nobody@dizum.com
says...
>
>
>Gogarty wrote:
>
>
>[...]
>
>
>You offered up a tool, attached to a premise that using it would make
>sensitive data less obtainable. You even chose an initially provocative
>file name to drive that point home. Unfortunately for you and whatever
>point you thought you were making it's widely known that security
>through obscurity is no security at all. Your attempt to tap dance your
>away around that fact now by feigning "just suggested a file naming
>utility" ignorance won't change anything. You bought into a lie,
>repeated it, and now you're just going to have to face it or live with
>the consequences. That's the way it works. Sorry.
>
>
>Changing file names doesn't protect you from anyone, let alone snoops
>of any type. Snoops are by definition the sort file renaming WON'T
>succeed against because even the "casual" variety are people who at
>their core expect to find things in places that aren't immediately
>apparent. That's what delimits snoops, from innocent bystanders. And
>innocent bystanders are no threat to your security at all because they
>simply don't care. So trivialities like renaming badfile.jpg to
>goodfile.jpg protects you from precisely nobody.
>
>And forensics is a wholly reactive process subsequent to some other
>compromise or breakage. If an attacker is forensically analyzing data,
>your file naming scheme is an already faded memory, kiddo.
>

You are still a mompous XXX, sonny.

Here is the URL for AF5.EXE (which is not a mysterious name meant to obscure
the program's purpose but merely the initials of the developer, Alex Faulan)
http://www.fauland.com/ There is a total of nine utilities ranging from AF1
to AF9. Or is that too simple for you?

Anonyma

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

In article <460a33fb$0$36739$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>
macarro <email@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Actually it is important how you name your private files because they
> maybe safely erased but their names may remain in the registry (Windows)
> and other places, so you wont be able to deny you never had such file

Bad argument. If you are *renaming* a file, then the original file
name would still exist in the registry and other places. Renaming
a file just renames the file, it doesn't scan the registry and hard
drive sectors for the original file name and modify them as well.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 am

In article <L8GdnYp4M7cszpfbnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@bway.net>
Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
> Oooooh! You're so smart! May I touch your hem?
>
> Pompous XXX.
>

Eelbash asked how to do the renaming in one line on linux,
so responding like you did just makes you look like a
dumb XXXXXXX. He wasn't being pompous, he was answering
the request for a one line mass renaming script.

Y'know, what with you wanting to monitor the Tor network,
and eelbash wanting to monitor the remailer network, maybe
you two should go out for dinner some time, romance may
happen for you.

Anonyma

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:03 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> i=0; for f in *Stupid*.jpg; do mv $f eelbash$i.jpg; i=$(($i+1)); done

This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
refuse to annotate it.

If you want your code to be really useful, you have to have a balance
between efficiency and readability. These guys have no sense of how to
communicate their knowledge. It seems to be part of their semi-autism.

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:00:04 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

> In article <L8GdnYp4M7cszpfbnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@bway.net>
> Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
> Eelbash asked how to do the renaming in one line on linux,
> so responding like you did just makes you look like a
> dumb XXXXXXX. He wasn't being pompous, he was answering
> the request for a one line mass renaming script.

It wasn't the one line that was pompous, that was just childish, but the
tone of the entire post.

Anonyma

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

In article <fb9bd71eb20b6596cadd2b904998976c@deuxpi.ca>
Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>
> This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
> like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
> refuse to annotate it.

Ahhh eelbash, you asked for a one line mass file renamer and he gave
it to you. Big surprise that you'd have to try and put it down after
getting spanked yet again.

It's incredibly simple to read. I don't even know PERL or bash or
python and yet I could read it easily.

Let me explain it simpler for you...
For every jpg file with the word stupid in it, rename it to
eelbash$i.jpg. The $i gets increased for each file.

He gave you exactly what you asked for: a one line script to mass
rename files under linux.

Anonymous

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

> It wasn't the one line that was pompous, that was just childish

eel, why did you find the one line renamer childish? It's what you
requested.

Gogarty

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

In article <81413f9ff64f4a8b8c7ea7aaf09cffa1@deuxpi.ca>,
anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca says...
>
>
>In article <460a33fb$0$36739$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>
>macarro <email@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>Bad argument. If you are *renaming* a file, then the original file
>name would still exist in the registry and other places. Renaming
>a file just renames the file, it doesn't scan the registry and hard
>drive sectors for the original file name and modify them as well.
>
Excellent point. Well known but often overlooked. Of course, the original
name of the file in the registry no longer points to anything. As far as the
registry is concerned it has been deleted and left behind an orphan entry.
But there are some quite good utilities that will clean out such entries
from the registry and other places, though it is virtually impossible to
find evrything in Windows. I am often shoicked to find logs of stuff I
thought had gone away eons ago.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

On 28 Mar 2007, Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:03 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
>This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
>like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
>refuse to annotate it.

That's perfectly readable, if you're a programmer.

>
>If you want your code to be really useful, you have to have a balance
>between efficiency and readability.

No, I do not. I go for efficiency. That's what I'm paid for.

>These guys have no sense of how to
>communicate their knowledge. It seems to be part of their semi-autism.

My job as a programmer is not to "communicate my knowledge".

Gogarty

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

In article <ca9b2ce83f7dddce2b7a9d3cbe4a17d9@dizum.com>, nobody@dizum.com
says...
>
>
>On 28 Mar 2007, Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>That's perfectly readable, if you're a programmer.
>
>
>No, I do not. I go for efficiency. That's what I'm paid for.
>
>
>My job as a programmer is not to "communicate my knowledge".
>
And just how high can you stick your sneering nose?

admin@newsanon.yi.org

2007-03-28, 1:12 pm

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> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:03 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>

That is a nice little piece of code, aside from the childish insult
contained in it.

It has a couple of problems, however:

One is that, all too typically, it is so bare-bones, so lacking in any
kind of documentation, that nobody who is a newbie will make much sense of
it. For example, how, exactly, do you execute it? From a command line, as
part of a Python or PERL program, or what?

How do you control what directory it affects?

A couple of good examples might have made those things clear, but the
poster couldn't be bothered with details. Very typically thoughtless about
the audience of newbies that will be reading this group.

The second thing about it that seems lacking, at least from the playing
around with it that I've done, is that it seems rigid in how it can be
applied to file names.

For example, if a folder contains aaabbb.txt and rrrxxxbbb.txt, and you
want to rename just the 'bbb' portion of each to, say, 'spqr', so that you
end up with aaaspqr.txt and rrrxxxspqr.txt, how do you do that?

I don't think the command allows that; you need to write a script to do
the parsing of each input file.

What I did was to write a script to do just that, and once the file names
have been properly massaged, the mv command is run.

Please give it a try. I hasten to add that my knowledge of linux and
python is at a basic level - I've never pretended otherwise - and there is
plenty of room for improvement in the script. Still, it seems to work well.

You can ftp it from:
ftp://eelbash.yi.org
user: eichen
password: anything

The folder you want is: newnames

It's a pity that SofaKing isn't still around. He seemed to know his way
around python, and could probably blast out a nice gui front end for
something like this, not to mention make it a lot more useful. As it is,
you'll have to do with the simple prompts that I was able to put in.
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Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>In article <ca9b2ce83f7dddce2b7a9d3cbe4a17d9@dizum.com>, nobody@dizum.com
>says...
>And just how high can you stick your sneering nose?

Sorry you feel that way. Your inferiority complex is showing. You may or
may not be Jiang Wu, but you sure sound like him.

My job as a programmer is to write code. It is not to train other people
how to do what I do. I did that once on a job, helped train someone. Do
you know what they did, once he was writing code on par with mine? They
fired me, because he was cheaper. Thus ended my teaching phase. RTFM,
freshmeat.

So suck my "sneering nose". I'm not a communist, doing my part for the
common good. I'm out to line my pockets. If you don't like that, XXXX off,
because I despise communists.

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

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> That is a nice little piece of code, aside from the childish insult
> contained in it.
>
> It has a couple of problems, however:
> One is that, all too typically, it is so bare-bones, so lacking in any
> kind of documentation, that nobody who is a newbie will make much
> sense of it. For example, how, exactly, do you execute it? From a
> command line, as part of a Python or PERL program, or what?

man bash

> How do you control what directory it affects?

man pcre

snip

> What I did was to write a script to do just that, and once the file
> names have been properly massaged, the mv command is run.

snip

> It's a pity that SofaKing isn't still around. He seemed to know his
> way around python, and could probably blast out a nice gui front end
> for something like this, not to mention make it a lot more useful. As
> it is, you'll have to do with the simple prompts that I was able to
> put in.

Why would you want a GUI just to rename files? Too much overhead.

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Anonymous

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
> like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
> refuse to annotate it.

Young boy, this ain't code. I won't even call it a script. It's the kind of
line I type as I go whenever I need it.

> These guys have no sense of how to communicate their knowledge.

I have: Read manpages, use the 'apropos' command, talk to your friends.
That's the way I learned what I know about basic commandline features. You
cannot aquire this essential skill if you run someone's else code for a
simple task like renaming files. Windows users don't need a tool to find
the Start button, either.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
>
> Look, sonny, Linux users know that every scenario requires a
> different combination of tools. They don't need to find them. They
> have all the necessary utilities on board. find and ls, for and
> while, awk and sed and all the other small utilities they can use to
> transform one string into another.
>
> Oh sorry. I know, you are a Linux-wannabe yourself and cannot think
> beyond a mouseclick.
>
> i=0; for f in *Stupid*.jpg; do mv $f eelbash$i.jpg; i=$(($i+1)); done

ROTFLMAO!

"Look ma', no INI file".

Add some $1/$2 magic and salt in a little awk. You can dynamically
rename files is a "series" fashion. Even more functional than Eeltard's
stupid Python abomination.

>

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:03 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
> like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
> refuse to annotate it.

No, your reply was an illustration of how clueless asswipes behave when
they're proved wrong in a real thorough way.

The example was so simple it doesn't need any explanation.

>
> If you want your code to be really useful, you have to have a balance
> between efficiency and readability. These guys have no sense of how to
> communicate their knowledge. It seems to be part of their semi-autism.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:

>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:00:04 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> It wasn't the one line that was pompous, that was just childish, but the
> tone of the entire post.

Then you should have felt right at home. Except that his post was
pompous and TECHNICALLY CORRECT, and yours are just pompous.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> And just how high can you stick your sneering nose?

Awwwwwwww..... did powr widdle diddums get spanked again?

*laugh*

Anonyma

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:03 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>
> This example illustrates an irritating habit of the nerdier geeks: they
> like to compress their code to a degree that it is unreadable; and they
> refuse to annotate it.
>
> If you want your code to be really useful, you have to have a balance
> between efficiency and readability. These guys have no sense of how to
> communicate their knowledge. It seems to be part of their semi-autism.

This isn't "code" you moron, and it doesn't need any "annotation". It's
a single line of basic/beginner bash script. Four statements. If you
can't figure out exactly what it does with a single read you shouldn't
be commenting on it until you've mastered potty training and drinking
from a real cup.

Anonyma

2007-03-28, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> Excellent point. Well known but often overlooked. Of course, the original
> name of the file in the registry no longer points to anything.

Except the renamed file itself, idiot.

Anonyma

2007-03-29, 1:13 am

Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> In article <460a33fb$0$36739$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>
> macarro <email@is.invalid> wrote:
>
> Bad argument. If you are *renaming* a file, then the original file
> name would still exist in the registry and other places. Renaming
> a file just renames the file, it doesn't scan the registry and hard
> drive sectors for the original file name and modify them as well.

Isn't that what Evidence Eliminator is for?

<grinning, ducking, and running>

>

Anonyma

2007-03-29, 1:13 am

admin@newsanon.yi.org wrote:

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>
>
> That is a nice little piece of code, aside from the childish insult
> contained in it.
>
> It has a couple of problems, however:

The only problem here is your arrogance and incompetence. The script
was a real simple way to do what your broken crap does, in one line.

> One is that, all too typically, it is so bare-bones, so lacking in any
> kind of documentation, that nobody who is a newbie will make much sense of
> it. For example, how, exactly, do you execute it? From a command line, as
> part of a Python or PERL program, or what?

This is just to clueless to even comment on, other than pointing out
how clueless it is.

> How do you control what directory it affects?

Like you do with every other command line "program" on every computer
in the world, you witless buffoon.

>
> A couple of good examples might have made those things clear, but the
> poster couldn't be bothered with details. Very typically thoughtless about
> the audience of newbies that will be reading this group.

What details? It's first day bash script. 10 minutes of studying a
howto page you can find by the hundreds through Google would explain
everything even to a total noob.

>
> The second thing about it that seems lacking, at least from the playing
> around with it that I've done, is that it seems rigid in how it can be
> applied to file names.

Bullshit. It's a simple mass renaming script that DOESN'T require any
stupid INI file to do it's job.

>
> For example, if a folder contains aaabbb.txt and rrrxxxbbb.txt, and you
> want to rename just the 'bbb' portion of each to, say, 'spqr', so that you
> end up with aaaspqr.txt and rrrxxxspqr.txt, how do you do that?

man awk

>
> I don't think the command allows that; you need to write a script to do
> the parsing of each input file.

No you don't.

>
> What I did was to write a script to do just that, and once the file names
> have been properly massaged, the mv command is run.

What you did was rip off some example code you don't understand, and
queer it up so it was an unusable and broken way to do a ridiculously
easy job, then get your XXX handed to you when someone proved just how
arrogant and incompetent you really are.

Nothing new there.

>
> Please give it a try.

Please XXXX off. I have no desire to let your incompetence put MY files
at risk.

George Orwell

2007-03-29, 1:13 am

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:41:30 -0400, Anonyma wrote:

> admin@newsanon.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> The only problem here is your arrogance and incompetence. The script
> was a real simple way to do what your broken crap does, in one line.

You're too locked into your own little geek world to see how other people
look at this stuff. An average user isn't going to be able to do anything
with that one line of code, and he isn't going to exec 'man awk' or any
other such geeky crap, and spend hours reading badly-written 'manuals'.

He wants a nice, simple, easy-to-use utility, with a nice little gui front
end, that is intuitively simple to use.

If geeks like you could just learn to see the world as normal people do,
an OS like linux would become much more attractive to people.

Unfortunately, your arrogance has such a grip on you that you will probably
be churning out incomprehensible (except to fellow geeks) programs, and
writing useless one-line 'manuals' until you drop out of school and get a
real job (good mechanics are badly needed everywhere. So are plumbers).

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-29, 1:13 am

In article <c602d220f3e0fa12c9ce88ffb8718298@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
> Sorry you feel that way. Your inferiority complex is showing. You may or
> may not be Jiang Wu, but you sure sound like him.
>
> My job as a programmer is to write code. It is not to train other people
> how to do what I do. I did that once on a job, helped train someone. Do
> you know what they did, once he was writing code on par with mine? They
> fired me, because he was cheaper. Thus ended my teaching phase. RTFM,
> freshmeat.

You're pathetic. I pity you, as I do all who fear teaching anyone
else anything. If you got fired it is more likely you were
unreliable. Drink much? Possibly the trainee simply became better.
That's a poor reflection on you. Yeah, if I was a half-XXX
programmer, I'd be afraid of teaching someone who might end up with
my job. Possibly your own secretive attitude towards your work was
the cause that you were no longer wanted. Maybe they dumped you
because you weren't a team player. Undoubtedly they didn't like
trying to maintain your cryptic code. All things more likely than
your lame 'he did it cheaper.' If what you say is true, you must have
been at the bottom of the industry--some place were there was no
stated pay scale. If that is the only place you can get work,
well...you ain't much of a programmer and you got fired from a shitty
company.

> So suck my "sneering nose". I'm not a communist, doing my part for the
> common good. I'm out to line my pockets. If you don't like that, XXXX off,
> because I despise communists.

Yes, I'm very underwhelmed.

Anonyma

2007-03-29, 1:13 am

George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:

>
> You're too locked into your own little geek world to see how other people
> look at this stuff. An average user isn't going to be able to do anything
> with that one line of code, and he isn't going to exec 'man awk' or any
> other such geeky crap, and spend hours reading badly-written 'manuals'.
>
> He wants a nice, simple, easy-to-use utility, with a nice little gui front
> end, that is intuitively simple to use.

Congratulations! You've just stolen first place in the Dumbest Post To
This Thread competition.

If you want a nifty GUI tool there's tons of them already available on
every platform under the sun. They even come in your choice of colors.
But not a single one of them has any sort of asstarded, nonstandard,
noob-confusing INI configuration crapola that has to be
edited/changed/diddled just to rename some XXXXing files. So as far as
"non-geek end user" applications goes the whole Eelsnot project is not
only an unnecessary waste of time, it's FUBAR as a design concept.

But then, this "elitist" horse shit is nothing but a shuck and jive
routine anyway because the thread started when a total loser made a
pathetic attempt to achieve geek status and recognition by pissing all
over someone else's perfectly working code, only to end up with a
useless mess that's about a hundred time more screwy and unintuitive
that it ever has to be. So you can blow your "just want a simple way"
spiel out your XXX on principal alone, kiddo.

> If geeks like you could just learn to see the world as normal people do,
> an OS like linux would become much more attractive to people.

This borders on hilarious considering the fact that every major Linux
distro in the last 10 years or so has nice clicky GUI file management
software installed by default that can do pattern match/replace
renaming of bulk files. Yeah, that's right dimbulb, the job is actually
easier to get done on a Linux box because Linux tools are a whole lot
more user friendly and feature rich than whatever toddler grade piece
of dross Bill Gates tries to pass off as something "useful" this month.

And the MOST ironic part is, this is a fact because those "geeks"
you're moaning about coded the user friendly tools you don't even
believe exist ya' friggin moron!

-=< laugh >=-

> Unfortunately, your arrogance has such a grip on you that you will probably
> be churning out incomprehensible (except to fellow geeks) programs, and
> writing useless one-line 'manuals' until you drop out of school and get a
> real job (good mechanics are badly needed everywhere. So are plumbers).

Coming from a dimbulb who just proved to the world they know squat
about UI ergonomics and functionality across platforms OR coding a
simple file manipulation tool that won't sodomize your data, this is
pretty XXXXing funny too. What exactly is it you think your congenital
ignorance qualifies YOU to do for a source of income? Second string
paper pusher at the local diarrhea clinic?

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 1:12 pm

In article < 5250eb5890650bb84e96a80cfea925d6@mixmast
er.it>,
nobody@mixmaster.it says...
>
>
>You're too locked into your own little geek world to see how other people
>look at this stuff. An average user isn't going to be able to do anything
>with that one line of code, and he isn't going to exec 'man awk' or any
>other such geeky crap, and spend hours reading badly-written 'manuals'.
>
>He wants a nice, simple, easy-to-use utility, with a nice little gui front
>end, that is intuitively simple to use.

e.g AF5.EXE
>
>If geeks like you could just learn to see the world as normal people do,
>an OS like linux would become much more attractive to people.

Amen!
>
(Flame extinguished)

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 1:12 pm

Permanently kill-filed.

Fritz Wuehler

2007-03-29, 1:12 pm

macarro <email@is.invalid> wrote:

> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
> Actually it is important how you name your private files because they
> maybe safely erased but their names may remain in the registry (Windows)
> and other places, so you wont be able to deny you never had such file
> eg: mydiary.doc or mycat.jpg found but not recovered, still good

Total nonsense. The existence of residual file names is meaningless.
Proof of nothing at all. In fact the existence of a file named
'nuke-strike-washington-plans.txt' could just as easily be a bit of
misdirection as it is hard evidence.

File renaming isn't a security measure in any way.

> evidence you kept a diary and took pictures of your cat. Questionable
> evidence on its own, but not so much when bundled together with other
> pieces.
>
> Now, to batch rename files in Windows, higlight one file, click CTRL+A
> and then rename OR higlight file and add others with CTRL+ mouse click
> and then rename OR just use one of the million freeware utilities that
> exist on the web far more user friendly.
>
>
> --
>
> Customized news: http://news.spotback.com

Fritz Wuehler

2007-03-29, 1:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> Permanently kill-filed.

Would you please enlighten us how you identify and kill-file a single
anonymous poster?

George Orwell

2007-03-29, 1:12 pm

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Fritz Wuehler
<fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Would you please enlighten us how you identify and kill-file a single
>anonymous poster?

For someone who allegedly posts through a ".edu" or university account, ol'
Gogarty seems pretty XXXXin' clueless. Stupid, even.

Not just regular stupid, either. Eelbash stupid.

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

In article < 2d58616f8b1c88324e397d7a05f1e63a@mixmast
er.it>,
nobody@mixmaster.it says...
>
>
>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Fritz Wuehler
><fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>
>For someone who allegedly posts through a ".edu" or university account, ol'
>Gogarty seems pretty XXXXin' clueless. Stupid, even.
>
>Not just regular stupid, either. Eelbash stupid.
>
When one see the nick "George Orwell" one expects a certain level of
sophistication and civility in the person behind the name. Pity it is not
so.

And if you really think I am posting through a university account -- well...

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

In article
<13ed26ac874455abf435dff3f7e4cab3@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net says...
>
>
>Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Would you please enlighten us how you identify and kill-file a single
>anonymous poster?
>
>
And if I thought anyone in this group actaully wanted to learn
something, or help other people learn something, rather than starting
flame wars at every opportunity, I might enlighten you.

George Orwell

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>In article < 2d58616f8b1c88324e397d7a05f1e63a@mixmast
er.it>,
>nobody@mixmaster.it says...
>When one see the nick "George Orwell"

As you well know, "George Orwell" denotes useage of the George remailer.
"George Orwell" is not a nickname.

> one expects a certain level of
>sophistication and civility in the person behind the name. Pity it is not
>so.

It is in this case. I am quite civil, and sophisticated enough.

>
>And if you really think I am posting through a university account -- well...

Please note my use of the word "allegedly". This was to imply you are too
mentally deficient to actually hold an account at University.

See how civil?

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> I have my ways...

Aahhh, classy classic. By the smell of Humphrey Bogart's fag.

Gogarty

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

In article < 98f59f3a711f33bef11436a5917dc7c4@mixmast
er.it>,
nobody@mixmaster.it says...
>
>Please note my use of the word "allegedly". This was to imply you are too
>mentally deficient to actually hold an account at University.

At my age? Please. In any case, Clongowes is not a university. The full name
is Clongowes Wood College.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

> Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Would you please enlighten us how you identify and kill-file a single
> anonymous poster?

You squeal "PLONK!" like a school girl and go on reading every message.

Duh. ;)

>
>

Anonyma

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> In article < 2d58616f8b1c88324e397d7a05f1e63a@mixmast
er.it>,
> nobody@mixmaster.it says...
> When one see the nick "George Orwell" one expects a certain level of

Yes "one" might, but everybody else is bright enough to understand it's
a moniker attached by an exit node and as such, less than meaningful.

> sophistication and civility in the person behind the name. Pity it is not
> so.

Your own "civility" isn't exactly Pulitzer prize winning there skippy.
You just try and flower it up with snobbish oratory. You're not fooling
anyone but yourself.

>
> And if you really think I am posting through a university account -- well...
>

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu> wrote:

> And if you really think I am posting through a university account -- well...

No one in their right mind would think that. I have you pegged in the troll category, with social relations to one or more fat NOCcers. .edu ist not for everyone but if you know the works and who to ask, they are fairly easy to come by. tinc

Anonymous

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:

> So as far as
> "non-geek end user" applications goes the whole Eelsnot project is not
> only an unnecessary waste of time, it's FUBAR as a design concept.

More so, if you look at the code and see that it's not even the general
purpose file renaming tool eelitbash touts it as.

It's a single purpose function, meant to fix the filenames of its author's
mp3 collection. It's hard to miss that point even by looking at the
function and variable names only. fix_names() works with song_ variables
and produces pairs of ugly/pretty filenames. Suddenly, all the program's
quirks and shortcomings make sense, like the list of bad characters. I
wouldn't want spaces and ampersands in my mp3 filenames either.

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-03-29, 7:12 pm

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:21:34 +0000, Anonymous wrote:

> Anonyma <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote:
>
>
> More so, if you look at the code and see that it's not even the general
> purpose file renaming tool eelitbash touts it as.
>
> It's a single purpose function, meant to fix the filenames of its
> author's mp3 collection. It's hard to miss that point even by looking at
> the function and variable names only. fix_names() works with song_
> variables and produces pairs of ugly/pretty filenames. Suddenly, all the
> program's quirks and shortcomings make sense, like the list of bad
> characters. I wouldn't want spaces and ampersands in my mp3 filenames
> either.

As I mentioned yesterday, I generalized the program a bit more, so that
it renames a substring in a file name to another string, while not changing
the other characters in the file name. The substring can be anywhere in
the file name. It also allows for a suffix to be specified to further
discriminate among the files in a folder. Do give it a look if you are
interested.

It's nothing fancy, but I hope it will spur some of the Python or perl
gurus to get off their asses and write some useful utilities, especially,
I hope, utilities with gui front ends.

ftp://eelbash.yi.org
user: eichen
password: anything

The folder you want is 'newnames'.

Nomen Nescio

2007-03-30, 1:14 am

In article <20070330000228.rIEROhqdcXcl@anonymous.poster>
admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:21:34 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
>
>
> As I mentioned yesterday, I generalized the program a bit more, so that
> it renames a substring in a file name to another string, while not changing
> the other characters in the file name. The substring can be anywhere in
> the file name. It also allows for a suffix to be specified to further
> discriminate among the files in a folder. Do give it a look if you are
> interested.
>
> It's nothing fancy, but I hope it will spur some of the Python or perl
> gurus to get off their asses and write some useful utilities, especially,
> I hope, utilities with gui front ends.

Who are you to suggest anyone get off their XXX. It's quite possible
others have their own agendas. They may not be sitting on their asses
at all. It's not for you to decree.

Anonyma

2007-03-30, 1:14 am

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> It's nothing fancy, but I hope it will spur some of the Python or perl
> gurus to get off their asses and write some useful utilities

why do you think sodomizing an alleged Python gurus code and forcing it
with a sledgehammer into a purpose it was never designed for would get the
real experts off their well-payed asses and write a utility for the petty
task of renaming files in an automated fashion, for christ's sake? it could
never match the complexity of all possible renaming schemes, those most
often require special transformations. and the easy tasks are just too puny
to be worth a script unless you need to repeat the same operation
regularly, as with the mp3 renamer you based your experiment on.

dude, i already heard canada was famous for its weed. it must be even
better than i dreamed. i should be visiting our neighbors more often.

Anonyma

2007-03-30, 1:14 am

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> It's nothing fancy, but I hope it will spur some of the Python or
> PERL gurus to get off their asses and write some useful utilities,
> especially, I hope, utilities with gui front ends.

What an arrogant, self centered penis-boy you are. You cock up someone
else's code, then throw stones at people who not only do know what
they're doing but realize the project has been beat to death already
because they don't care to jump when you wish something.

No XXXXing wonder you're in the position your in. You probably have the
same problems in real life. It's hard to imagine how you could act the
way you do and still retain possession of your original set of teeth.

Gogarty

2007-03-30, 7:13 am

In article <836a80c9503ff0ff1a64176c42dfd906@dizum.com>, nobody@dizum.com
says...
>
>
>Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-200703.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>
>
>You squeal "PLONK!" like a school girl and go on reading every message.
>
>Duh. ;)

Nope. Forty new messages. Ten killed. They don't even appear, as if they
never existed.

Fritz Wuehler

2007-03-31, 1:14 am

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> gurus to get off their asses and write some useful utilities, especially,

Real gurus don't rename files. They adjust their internal namespace.