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Trouble posting to news.groups.proposals again

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-04-27, 1:12 am

I seem to be having trouble posting to the moderated
news.groups.proposals via the bananasplit gateway again: it was working
before Christmas, but a subsequent message failed to go through, and
when I CC'd another attempt to my nym account, the copy arrived all
right but the message has not been posted; nor have I received a
rejection notice as I did on a previous occasion.

Message headers:

To: mail2news_nospam@bananasplit.info
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:47:25 +0100
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
References: <nan.20070424200925$1893@killfile.org> <Xns991CE6093ABC5mbeausympaticoca@130.133.1.4>
Organization: The Ivory Tower ( http://ivory.150m.com/Tower )
Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at panta-rhei.dyndns.org

--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/

careen (archaic): clean a ship's hull - career: travel wildly out of control

Zax

2007-04-27, 7:11 am

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:44:12 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
Message-Id: <20070427054024.0B64A638E6@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:

> I seem to be having trouble posting to the moderated
> news.groups.proposals via the bananasplit gateway again: it was working
> before Christmas, but a subsequent message failed to go through, and
> when I CC'd another attempt to my nym account, the copy arrived all
> right but the message has not been posted; nor have I received a
> rejection notice as I did on a previous occasion.

Hi Igenlode,

Just checked back through the m2n history and found one reference to
news.groups.proposals for 25th Mar. This message was accepted and
mailed to the moderator. I can only assume that for some reason they
haven't actioned it. The mail2news has definitely done it's thing.

If you wanted, you could cut out the mail2news on moderated posts and
email (through your nym) the moderation relay directly. In this
instance that would be news.groups.proposals@moderators.isc.org.
Certainly worth trying as a fault-finding exercise.

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Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On 27 Apr 2007 Zax wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:44:12 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
> Message-Id: <20070427054024.0B64A638E6@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:
>
>
> Hi Igenlode,

(Can you confirm whether you ever got my email reply of 28th April to
this article via your admin address? I know that it was mostly an
unhelpfully depressed rant, but I can't help wondering if whatever-it-is
that is apparently stopping my messages going through the gateway is
affecting other addresses on that domain as well.)

>
> Just checked back through the m2n history and found one reference to
> news.groups.proposals for 25th Mar. This message was accepted and
> mailed to the moderator. I can only assume that for some reason they
> haven't actioned it. The mail2news has definitely done it's thing.

I've lost two more messages since then: they're not going through for
some reason :-(

(And I'm not getting rejection messages to the Reply-To either, which I
did for an earlier message (1 Feb) that was explicitly rejected.)

There should have been one attempt on April 26th
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
which I know was sent correctly since I BCC'd it to myself and it duly
arrived there -- but not on the group! -- and more attempts on May
9th/10th with the subject "Re: Policy RFD: removing
extremely-low-traffic unmoderated groups" and Message-id
<20070510113018.30C4063DAC@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>, which I
know arrived since it was CC'd to the author of the article in question,
who replied by email, and on May 17th with the subject "Re: Policy RFD:
removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated groups" (Message-id unknown,
since I didn't take the precaution of BCC'ing that one to myself)

None of these messages ever appeared on the moderated group and none of
them ever received rejection messages. For some confusing reason it
appears to be impossible to post to this specific group via the
Bananasplit gateway :-(

>
> If you wanted, you could cut out the mail2news on moderated posts and
> email (through your nym) the moderation relay directly. In this
> instance that would be news.groups.proposals@moderators.isc.org.
> Certainly worth trying as a fault-finding exercise.
>
I don't want to do this for simple spam-exposure reasons -- since as you
know, it is impossible to 'mail-wash' a nym address :-(

I've tried it via webmail, and it works as a means of last resort; but
in addition to being inconvenient (as it requires me to work online
and means that I can't use my standard news client), since I can't paste
in the References: header, it destroys the threading and makes me look
like an incompetent :-(
--
Igenlode Wordsmith Lurker Extraordinaire

* He who loses his temper has lost the argument *

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:39:21 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote:

> I've tried it via webmail, and it works as a means of last resort; but
> in addition to being inconvenient (as it requires me to work online
> and means that I can't use my standard news client), since I can't paste
> in the References: header, it destroys the threading and makes me look
> like an incompetent :-(

Try the eelbash webmail utility:

http://eelbash.yi.org:8080/scriptes/remail.php

Not only does it allow you to enter a references header, it sends the
message directly to the newsgroup, so you should see it on the newsgroup
within seconds of sending it.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

Eelbash Admin (pretending not to be eelbash) wrote:
>
> Try the eelbash webmail utility:
>
> Not only does it allow you to enter a references header, it sends the
> message directly to the newsgroup, so you should see it on the newsgroup
> within seconds of sending it.

That would be a great way to ruin your anonymity. Thanks for reminding
everyone how we shouldn't do things.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:45:31 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Eelbash Admin (pretending not to be eelbash) wrote:
>
> That would be a great way to ruin your anonymity. Thanks for reminding
> everyone how we shouldn't do things.

Anybody who uses any webmail interface without going through tor is a
nudnik.

abeT@me.com

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On 19 May 2007 21:13:49 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
>On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:39:21 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote:
>

Ever think of downloading a free newsreader like Free Agent or Xnews, or
a number of other freebies. That is the real solution of your problem
without getting entangled with that swine eelbash.

Here is a group that can advise you on freebie newsreaders

news.software.readers

Non scrivetemi

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

In article < fd956b488d23f31734317372d6c75919@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:39:21 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote:
>
>
> Try the eelbash webmail utility:
>
> http://eelbash.yi.org:8080/scriptes/remail.php
>
> Not only does it allow you to enter a references header, it sends the
> message directly to the newsgroup, so you should see it on the newsgroup
> within seconds of sending it.

Newer group members would do well to check out exactly who/what eelbash
is.

The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous Chronicles
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

Non scrivetemi

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:15:55 -0500, abeT wrote:

> On 19 May 2007 21:13:49 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
>
> Ever think of downloading a free newsreader like Free Agent or Xnews, or
> a number of other freebies. That is the real solution of your problem
> without getting entangled with that swine eelbash.

Oy Gewalt!

>
> Here is a group that can advise you on freebie newsreaders
>
> news.software.readers

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

In article < 10da4dd746e476fa36fcfa2ec5d43a8f@pboxmix
.winstonsmith.info>
"Non scrivetemi" <nonscrivetemi@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:
>
> In article < fd956b488d23f31734317372d6c75919@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> Newer group members would do well to

Stay away from the obsessed blueloser.

> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/XXXXXXX.html

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-19, 7:13 pm

On Sun, 20 May 2007 00:26:20 +0200, Non scrivetemi wrote:

> In article < fd956b488d23f31734317372d6c75919@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> Newer group members would do well to check out exactly who/what eelbash
> is.
>
> The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous Chronicles
> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

That site is down. Can you tell us in your own words about 'eelbash'? I
have been using the remailer and the gateway for a bit and find they both
work well but I do not want to use software by someone with a bad
reputation.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

In article < 05715c229db2e966e72d37ae66e25faa@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 00:26:20 +0200, Non scrivetemi wrote:
>
>
> That site is down. Can you tell us in your own words about 'eelbash'? I
> have been using the remailer and the gateway for a bit and find they both
> work well but I do not want to use software by someone with a bad
> reputation.

I did just find that Cotse is indeed down.

Anyway -

I was one of those who used to host a mirror site containing much of
Bluejay's pages. Here are a few of them. The material is too lengthy
to reproduce in a single post.

These are just a few of the many items showing how untrustworthy this
eelslime is. When Cotse comes back up, you can check the site for
yourself and see what other remop think of eelslime's sick games.

Of course, comverting html to text spacing has ruined the pgp
keys in these posts.

========================================
=========== Aug 19, 2003 News
Flash: Eelbash/Cheshire is again running from her past. She has changed
the Cheshire remailer's name to Bog CORRECTION: She has now changed it
again from Bog to Bogg FLASH! She's done it again. She's now Asmodeous.
FLASH! FLASH! (January '06) Oh, kee-rist! She is now back as eelbash,
creating a p.o.s. proggie name PyNonymous - Which, again, like her
other attempts at being a remop, doesn't work.)

Why am I dredging up past history of this Canuck XXXXX's attempts at
being a remop?

Because I think the newer users of apas need to know which remailers
might not be worthy of their trust. They don't have the experience of
history that the apas regulars possess. I'm merely bringing them up to
speed. The final decision as to whom to trust is theirs, not mine.

Phantom's post on page 1 regarding Cheshire's high-handed manner of
blocking any remailer which did not filter posts, shows that Cheshire
has the capability to be even more arrogant than Frog.

Imagine that, a remop of a middleman remailer telling all other remops
how they MUST conform to her wishes or she will block them from
Cheshire.

I am posting copies of these demands by Cheshire, plus the scornful
replies she received from other remops. But first I have two other
posts of Cheshire's that I want to share with you. These left no doubt
in my mind not to EVER use her remailer again and to remove her
remailer keys from my ring.

she must have used the X-No-Archive: Yes command for the two posts in
the following link, because I could not find them on Google when I
sought a link to them. These are from my own small archive of
unforgettable goodies. You will find the PGP sig does match her.

If you think all the following is new for Cheshire, use the Googlel
link at the bottom of this page and read how her arrogance as
administrator of Eelbash infuriated users and other remops alike
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http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-
8&newwindow=1&safe=off&frame=right&th=ecf848422185b65
4& seekm=958a4446e1d602e8f872d937969e3c9b%4
0anon.xg.nu#link7

quote from above URL: "Should also be pointed out that the remop posted
the messages in an html document titled "psycho.html" to demonstrate
that he takes sides in the flamewar to which the messages were a part."

---------

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-
8&newwindow=1&safe=off&frame=right&th=ecf848422185b65
4& seekm=958a4446e1d602e8f872d937969e3c9b%4
0anon.xg.nu#link4

From: Anonymous (nobody@remailer.privacy.at) Subject: Re: Orange Block
on Eelbash Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server Date: 2000/07/03

On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:15:01 +0200 Anonymous
<nobody@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:01:34 -0400 Anonymous Sender
><nobody@mixmaster.shinn.net> wrote:

saddens me to find out that Eelbash remailer is openly monitoring and[vbcol=seagreen]
anonymous >>|remailer. >> >>A POST is something PUBLIC >>A POST-to-be
is something PUBLIC >>Eelbash did not divulgate *any* information
that was not supposed to become >>*public*: >> a handful of posts
with forged names and addresses
[vbcol=seagreen]
>

> Wrong. He divulged the times when the posts came through the
remailer.

> Then he alleged that they were all made by the same person.

I forgot to add:

Five posts were made. Four with one name attached, a fifth with
another. Eelbash pointed out the times they came through were all close
together, and suggested that it was the same person. He posted his
findings to ALL the newsgroups which both of these screen names were
affiliated to.

What if it was the same person, and that person chooses to post with
two separate names because he/she doesn't want the people in newsgroup
A to know he's a proponent of the subject matter in newsgroup B?
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http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-
8&newwindow=1&safe=off&frame=right&th=6adb5be4f12874d
d& seekm=39c412abcf6ea4fa208b99f83a568bf6%4
0dizum.com#link1

"...content must be looked at..." - Eelbash/Cheshire

From: Nomen Nescio (nobody@dizum.com) Subject: what Eelbash forgot to
mention... Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server Date: 2000/07/07

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Below (for those of you who have become too sick from the recent
ongoings on apas) is yet another post from Eelbash. This one now
"appends" his last "seeing the light" post in which he forgot to tell
us he is likely to monitor, censor and devulge user IDs/contents which
he finds disagreeable with his personal beliefs.

Now I will *not* jump the gun and make a decision which will affect the
entire network (I can learn from my mistakes, as some claim this was).
However I IMPLORE ALL other active remailer operators to GET INVOLVED.
The implications of allowing this to be an acceptable remailer-operator
position are far reaching and profound. While I understand that the
remailer network should not be based on blind trust (but on strong
chains) I likewise believe that by allowing this as acceptable
remailer-op behavior we are damaging the reputability and sincerity of
remailer operators, setting a big brother/netcop style example to
future remops (and tipping the scales on what it means to be a rem-op
and what it stands for), and if nothing else allowing a blantant
contradiction to the very reason remailers exist (to allow an
individual to be heard even if others do no like what you have to say).
This is most certainly laughable by remailer oposers, and a wonderful
criticism of them and the ideas and ideals upon which the are founded.

The remailer network needs to band together and make a group decision
what should be done. I urge many of the "old school" rem-ops to get
involved (especially these) as they have been around the longest (means
theyve been doing somthing right) and will likely be able to aid in
leading the way to a decision and/or solution about this. (Im thinking
particularly of: LCS/nym, EFGA, DeJoode)

Ill make no decisions/blocks/whatevers on my own, but humbly ask for
discussion from the whole. Ive made some short replys to eelbash in his
post (if he cares to read)

- -Orange Admin

On , eelbash-admin@excite.com wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED
MESSAGE-----

> By the way, boys, I apologize in advance, but in throwing away the
naughty

> French version of Reliable, and going back to the good old American

> version, I neglected to say that I make no representations as to the
length

> of time that will pass before I again embrace the delectable French

> Reliable.

This seems to be a very convienient ommital from your original
"repenting". One aimed mainly at removing these blocks and having you
re-added to stats.

> If I see too many instances of nastiness showing up on the net, I may
feel

> the need to jump back in and start monitoring again; blocking follows
from

> that ('censorship' to the Shyster); and after that, making known the
id of

> the scumbags responsible.

what about your being "wrong, wrong, wrong...."? Seems this was all but
a manipulative move to have eelbash readopted (it really tipped the
sincerity scales). Would it be so inappropriate for me to start jumping
up and down screaming "lair! liar!" now? This seems to be the maturity
with which you are dealing with the situation and shows your lack of
respect for the levity of the situation.

If there was any doubt for anyone before: notice the complete admital
of eel admin willingness to expose users he finds personally
disagreeable. If you dont want to let people with opinions different
from yours have free speech might I suggest that you shut down your
remailer and officially join remailer oposition. It is enevitable that
people who you dont like will use your service....its just one of those
things youve got to accept.

> It goes without saying that more sophisticated

> monitoring will follow: keyword searches of content; monitoring the
input

> to the remailer, etc., etc.

Eelbash&Frog, Inc. developing spyware to nulify the remailer networks
efforts EST 2000. I can see the banner now....

> I can say that I will never jeopardize or invade the privacy of
legitimate

> users, but people I suspect of being in the scumbag catergory, and it
is I

> who must decide who is or is not a scumbag, have, in my humble
opinion, no

> right to privacy: I will track them down like the skunks they are.

And you will NEVER "accidentally" read an innocent users email right?
You will never accidentally expose the wrong person when chasing your
precious scumbags through your useless flame wars (as you have possilby
already done) right? These promises are a joke and an impossibility
using your monitoring tools and your methods.

> And, yes, I think that content is something that must be looked at,
and

> when it is found to fall into the scumbag category (according to my

> judgement), may and will be used to censor the post: I will not (I
mean,

> possibly, and in the future) allow Eelbash to be used as a conduit
for

> every species of filth).

Now you will determine the acceptability level of content? What if I
decide to make some usenet posts about how much I hate cats and this
offends you (and yer little kitty)? I guess your right to silence me
outwieghts my right to speak my mind (because im using your
pseudo-anonymous remailer)?

> At the moment I don't have to tools to do the job properly: a keyword

> search program is needed, but when I do, the temptation to use it may
be

> overwhelming.

Thank god your not a programmer (obvious from your IPworks/reliable
compilation woes). Hopfully your programming ability is as strong as
your ethical fucundity.....

> Please note that none of this is the case now: I am simply reserving
the

> right to do it at some time in the future.

Yes, "oops, sorry I forgot to mention when I was stating how wrong
wrong wrong I was, that I didnt really mean Id stop like I said I would
since I was so very wrong" Im sure this was an innocent and completely
accidental omission.

> Think about it: American society has become so degraded that
'motherXXXXer'

> is now a term of endearment! Unfortunately, the US seems to have a
large

> influence on other Western countries, and I don't doubt that
'motherXXXXer'

> is also a term of endearment in many other nations, or is at least

> considered a benign word of greeting and reference.

Now you just sound like a lunatic. Besides what do you care about the
state of the US as a Canadian?

"...AND SO our hero, Eelbash-admin and his
censoring/monitoring/scum-bag exposing remailer went to rid the world
of all that was not acceptable to the white middleclass suburbanite!
(but only ended up damaging free speech)"

> Do you want the remailers to be a part of this? Do you want to lie
down

> with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the bug spray of

> monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?

I want to let people say what they want to say with privacy and
anonymity. If this means lying down with the lice, then sure, whatever.

> Even if you are one of the lice, remailers that follow such an

> irresponsible course will, eventually, bring down the wrath of the
public

> and politicians, and end up legislated out of existence.

Heh, this is a strangely revealing argument. "If we dont clean up our
users language well be shut down".....I dont think it legal to
legislate shutting remailers up in the US. (I supose eelbash can try
to do this next)

> Of course, remailers are klunky, and something like Publius, or WOF,
will

> probaby soon replace them.; I'm not sure how they work, but have the

> feeling it will become more difficult for right-minded operators to
do

> their good work. That will probably hasten the demise of Publius and
WOF,

> along with all other remailers.

This shows how little grasp you have on the situation (and your own
actions). Rprocess: PLEASE HURRY ON WOF!!! Eelbash-admin: FYI->once WOF
is up you cant take it down (each user is a small remailer) You cant
censor/shutdown 100000 mini remailers linked together.

> My apolgies again for misleading you, perhaps.

Perhaps Indeed.

- -Orange Admin

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8&newwindow=1&safe=off&frame=right&th=9f45f23491daac2
e&seekm=RW49KLR936719.4001041667%40private.citizen#link1

From:
anonmix@home.com,_private.citizen@zedz.net,_for@zedz.net,_the@zedz.net,
_people@zedz.net,_by@zedz.net,_the@zedz.net,_people@zedz.
(anonmix@home.com,_private.citizen@zedz.net,_for@zedz.net,_the@zedz.net
,_people@zedz.net,_by@zedz.net,_the@zedz.net,_people@zedz.)
Subject: Why not boycott eelbash Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Date: 2000/07/12

I wonder why we continue to read eelbash's excuses and rationalizations
for his conduct. He wants to run a remailer yet he wants to bring a
philosophy to the service that is directly counter to the real purpose.

Why not just reject eelbash? Most of us don't run remailers. We have
nothing to say about whether eelbash is in the stats or not. Since we
don't run remailers, we can't refuse mail to or from eelbash. But as
users we can decide we don't want eelbash in our chains. This in no way
hinders or cripples the remailer network. It is in the best sense of
the word, rejection. We can reject eelbash's beliefs and we should.

Do you really take free speech so lightly as to go ahead and use this
remailer now? How can you possibly believe this won't hurt yourself and
other users. Eelbash offers nothing that is not available elsewhere. If
you are hung up on the 'From:' line, that's pretty vain reason to
continue to be part of this abuse.

There will continue to be new remailers with this same philosopy.
First, it was frog, and we all used it despite the implications. Now,
eelbash likes the idea of censoring/outting and uses frogs software for
this purpose.

Forget them both! Just forget them. I don't care if they were
*reliable*. They're agenda is not free speech. Just forget them. When
the opportunity presents itself, recommend to others who might be
unaware, not to use them.

All I can say is, if you can use eelbash *NOW*, knowing what we know,
you are not truely for free speech either.

I will not use eelbash, and I will not enter into a dialog with him.

Igenlode wickerwork

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote in message < fd956b488d23f31734317372d6c75919@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>

> On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:39:21 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote:
>
>
> Try the eelbash webmail utility:
>
> http://eelbash.yi.org:8080/scriptes/remail.php
>
> Not only does it allow you to enter a references header, it sends the
> message directly to the newsgroup, so you should see it on the newsgroup
> within seconds of sending it.
>
I scarcely think so, on a hand-moderated newsgroup...
--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/

Testing nym.alias.net.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

>
> That site is down. Can you tell us in your own words about 'eelbash'? I
> have been using the remailer and the gateway for a bit and find they both
> work well but I do not want to use software by someone with a bad
> reputation.

No problem. Eelbash, AKA Jiang Wu of Alberta, Canada (address and phone
number available upon request) is the most reviled remailer operator
that ever existed. He's been caught at, or even admitted to, monitoring
and censoring posts, editing posts, running multiple remailers in order
to catch "abusers", exposing innocent people he thought were abusers
due to his own incompetence, running "services" that mark your posts as
unique in an attempt to identify users, stealing code from real
programmers and calling it his own, flooding these groups, spamming
multiple groups, attacking real remailers and remailer operators
because they don't agree with his insanity and incompetent methods of
running a remailer, and being an overall asstard in every way both as
himself, and as the numerous sock puppets he uses to give the
appearance that there's at least one or two other people in the world
as stupid as he is.

Jiang Wu is the ONLY remop in the history of the remailer network
to be totally and 100% excommunicated from the remailer network. He's
not allowed to participate, at the behest of the very group of people
he wants to emulate. A group of people banded together by the very
ideal of free speech, no less.

Ironic as it is, that sad fact is all you really need to know.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

Anonymous

2007-05-20, 7:13 am

In article < 05715c229db2e966e72d37ae66e25faa@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> I have been using the remailer and the gateway for a bit and find they both
> work well

Your posting software outed you again. You haven't been using the
remailer or gateway for a bit, you've been *running* them for a bit.
Please take time to fix your software if you're going to pretend you're
someone else. We'll still know its you by your writing style, but at
least you won't look as stupid as you do right now.

Anonymous

2007-05-20, 1:13 pm

On Sun, 20 May 2007 03:04:52 +0100, Igenlode wickerwork wrote:

> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it>
wrote in message
< fd956b488d23f31734317372d6c75919@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
>
resort; but[vbcol=seagreen]
online[vbcol=seagreen]
can't paste[vbcol=seagreen]
me look[vbcol=seagreen]
sends the[vbcol=seagreen]
newsgroup[vbcol=seagreen]
> I scarcely think so, on a hand-moderated newsgroup...

Not a bad point.

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-20, 7:13 pm

abeT@me.com wrote in message <3ktu4316lvtjcjpr8apl8tbnqiijfhgqie@4ax.com>

> On 19 May 2007 21:13:49 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

[snip]

> Ever think of downloading a free newsreader like Free Agent or Xnews, or
> a number of other freebies. That is the real solution of your problem
> without getting entangled with that swine eelbash.
>
> Here is a group that can advise you on freebie newsreaders
>
> news.software.readers
>
My problem, as I understand it, lies in getting the message onto a
relevant news *server*.

Even if I could find a free server which would allow me to post -- well,
that isn't an 'if', since the moderated group in question has its own
dedicated news server which allows reading and posting to the related
set of groups only -- the path headers and Message-id would still point
right back to the ISP I'm dialled into, wouldn't they? In fact, using my
nym address on posts through such a server would be blowing any
pseudonymity altogether...
--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/

careen (archaic): clean a ship's hull - career: travel wildly out of control

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-21, 1:13 am

Igenlode Wordsmith <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

> Even if I could find a free server which would allow me to post -- well,
> that isn't an 'if', since the moderated group in question has its own
> dedicated news server which allows reading and posting to the related
> set of groups only -- the path headers and Message-id would still point
> right back to the ISP I'm dialled into, wouldn't they? In fact, using my
> nym address on posts through such a server would be blowing any
> pseudonymity altogether...

I hate to say it, but doesn't eelbash's mail2news have the ability to post
to arbitrary news servers?

Fritz Wuehler

2007-05-21, 1:13 am

On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:12:48 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
>
> No problem. Eelbash, AKA Jiang Wu of Alberta, Canada (address and phone
> number available upon request) is the most reviled remailer operator
> that ever existed. He's been caught at, or even admitted to, monitoring
> and censoring posts, editing posts, running multiple remailers in order
> to catch "abusers", exposing innocent people he thought were abusers
> due to his own incompetence, running "services" that mark your posts as
> unique in an attempt to identify users, stealing code from real
> programmers and calling it his own, flooding these groups, spamming
> multiple groups, attacking real remailers and remailer operators
> because they don't agree with his insanity and incompetent methods of
> running a remailer, and being an overall asstard in every way both as
> himself, and as the numerous sock puppets he uses to give the
> appearance that there's at least one or two other people in the world
> as stupid as he is.

Please provide evidence for these grave accusations.
>
> Jiang Wu is the ONLY remop in the history of the remailer network
> to be totally and 100% excommunicated from the remailer network. He's
> not allowed to participate, at the behest of the very group of people
> he wants to emulate. A group of people banded together by the very
> ideal of free speech, no less.
>
> Ironic as it is, that sad fact is all you really need to know.

Zax

2007-05-21, 7:13 am

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On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:20:45 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
Message-Id: <20070520235728.A50606389F@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:

> My problem, as I understand it, lies in getting the message onto a
> relevant news *server*.

It's really a case of getting an approver to put it there for you. When
you send a post, the server checks a flag on the active groups list to
see if its moderated. If it is, then the server emails the message to a
moderator selected from a rules file. In virtually all cases, this is
group.name@moderators.isc.org. The recipient of the email (the
moderator) is then responsible for making the actual posting.

In summary, sending an email to news.groups.proposals@moderators.isc.org
through your nym should work the same as posting it to a news server,
except that you can't munge your From header.

I've just modified the behaviour of mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net so that it
should now accept moderated posts. I've tested it with
misc.test.moderated and it appears to work correctly. Please feel free
to try it out.

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uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-21, 7:13 am

On Sun, 20 May 2007 04:52:23 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> In article < 05715c229db2e966e72d37ae66e25faa@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> He tried hacking Reliable, the software remailers use. He was trying to
> find a way to read all the posts coming into his remailer.
>
> He started blocking other remailers who would not censor people for
> saying unpopular things. He had his own idea of what and what could be
> said.
>
> He bragged that he was holding emails until he could somehow decipher
> them.
>
> He "outed" almost a 1/2 dozen innocent people whose posts he claimed to
> have deciphered. Published their so-called names and email addys. How
> he "cracked" pgp is anyone's guess.

Oy, such a liar!

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-21, 7:13 am

On Sun, 20 May 2007 19:41:26 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Igenlode Wordsmith <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>
> I hate to say it, but doesn't eelbash's mail2news have the ability to post
> to arbitrary news servers?

If you 'hate' to say it, why say it at all?

As a matter of fact, it does.

In the headers or body, put these directives:

x-newsserver: newsservername

If the news server requires a user id and password, include:

x-newsauth: userid:password

Send the message to mail2news@newsanon.yi.org.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-21, 1:13 pm

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 May 2007 04:52:23 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>
> Oy, such a liar!

There isn't a single lie in any of that. If eelbash were actually an
example of *intelligent* life he'd be dangerous. Lord knows he tries
hard enough to destroy the remailer nework from the inside.

Or rather did, because not one stats source will even list him any
more. LOL!!

Senshi and bird are still listed a couple places as dead and they
haven't existed for a while now. And awxcnx is already starting to show
up, so it's not stats collectors just being inattentive. Eelbash is
willfully ignored by 100% of the remailer network. :-)

Jiang must be so very proud of himself! LOL!!!

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-21, 7:14 pm

On Mon, 21 May 2007, Fritz Wuehler
<fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:12:48 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
>Please provide evidence for these grave accusations.

Jiang, you try this stupid approach every time the subject comes up. You
know you did all these things and then some, and so does everyone else who
has been reading APAS for any length of time.

Hiding behind a sock puppet trying to find out what evidence against you is
still easily available fools NO ONE, Jiang. NO ONE is deceived, and do you
know why? Because we are not all "psychotic children", is why.

Please provide evidence that you are not a snooping, meddling, lying, code
thief.

[vbcol=seagreen]

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-21, 7:14 pm

"Igenlode wickerwork wrote:"

Oops :-)

I'd forgotten I'd done that *last* time I was testing nym.alias.net!
Anyway, it works, which is the main thing...
--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/

** Melodrama is the art of knowing how precisely too far to go. **

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-23, 7:13 pm

[Edit: I'm slightly worried by this statement (message
<1358hpgnfo0uf60@news.supernews.com> in news.groups)

> The OP appears to be using bananasplit.info. According to their web
> site, they provide "various services most of which are intended to aid
> the privacy and anonymity of Internet users." There is some pretty
> bizarre header information in their newsgroup articles, which may
> explain why the OP's articles apparently were filtered by SuperNews.
>
> The mail-to-news gateway at that site provides various options for
> obscuring the sender's email address in the article that it posts. It
> appears to be reasonably straightforward in operation but the test that
> I sent disappeared into the bit bucket.

Of course, I don't know what he sent or how...]

Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote in message <f2rohr$iuq$1@bananasplit.info>

> On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:20:45 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
> Message-Id: <20070520235728.A50606389F@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:
>
>
> It's really a case of getting an approver to put it there for you. When
> you send a post, the server checks a flag on the active groups list to
> see if its moderated. If it is, then the server emails the message to a
> moderator selected from a rules file. In virtually all cases, this is
> group.name@moderators.isc.org. The recipient of the email (the
> moderator) is then responsible for making the actual posting.
>
> In summary, sending an email to news.groups.proposals@moderators.isc.org
> through your nym should work the same as posting it to a news server,
> except that you can't munge your From header.

It does; I've tested it from a non-nym address.

Unfortunately, the munging is the only bit I'm actually interested in :-(
If it weren't for that, I'd be emailing all posts directly, as I already
do to another moderated group that has their own auto-munging email
submission system set up.

But I get more than enough unfilterable nym spam already, and I really
don't want to receive another boost every time I post to this particular
group...

Apart from anything else, I would really like to get to the bottom of
where these postings of mine are going! I've specified additional email
recipients on the To: line -- these emails arrive and are replied to
while the copy to the gateway apparently goes missing. I've BCC'd copies
to myself, and duly witnessed their arrival at this end while the
moderators assure me that they have never seen the post. I'm about as
sure as I can be that the things really are leaving the nymserver
properly, and I know that they *were* passing correctly through the
banana mail2news earlier this year -- so what can have changed?

Please, please can you check your logs for the messages I mentioned

April 26th
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>

May 9th/10th
Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
groups"
Message-id: <20070510113018.30C4063DAC@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>,

May 17th
Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
groups" (Message-id unknown, since I didn't take the precaution of
BCC'ing that one to myself)

so that I can provide specific data in my discussion with the group
moderators (i.e. 'this message definitely passed the gateway and was
mailed to the moderation address, so it must have disappeared en route
before it got to you')

Alternatively, is it possible that some new filter is in place that is
screening out the copies of the messages in question *before* they pass
the gateway? I'm really very puzzled as to how an email can arrive
safely with one listed recipient and yet vanish entirely before reaching
the other: it can't be that messages originating from the Panta-Rhei
server fall foul of some local blacklist, since I can post to all other
groups via the same gateway. I've tried everything I can think of to
test it, including cross-posting to an unmoderated group (the May 17th
message -- it never appeared on either group).

>
> I've just modified the behaviour of mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net so that it
> should now accept moderated posts. I've tested it with
> misc.test.moderated and it appears to work correctly. Please feel free
> to try it out.
>
Before I do -- does it munge?
--
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Buster Keaton fan http://uk.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=17884208

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-24, 1:13 am

Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote in message <f2rohr$iuq$1@bananasplit.info>

> On Sun, 20 May 2007 23:20:45 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
> Message-Id: <20070520235728.A50606389F@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:
>
>
> It's really a case of getting an approver to put it there for you. When
> you send a post, the server checks a flag on the active groups list to
> see if its moderated. If it is, then the server emails the message to a
> moderator selected from a rules file. In virtually all cases, this is
> group.name@moderators.isc.org. The recipient of the email (the
> moderator) is then responsible for making the actual posting.
>
> In summary, sending an email to news.groups.proposals@moderators.isc.org
> through your nym should work the same as posting it to a news server,
> except that you can't munge your From header.

It does; I've tested it from a non-nym address.

Unfortunately, the munging is the only bit I'm actually interested in :-(
If it weren't for that, I'd be emailing all posts directly, as I already
do to another moderated group that has their own auto-munging email
submission system set up.

But I get more than enough unfilterable nym spam already, and I really
don't want to receive another boost every time I post to this particular
group...

Apart from anything else, I would really like to get to the bottom of
where these postings of mine are going! I've specified additional email
recipients on the To: line -- these emails arrive and are replied to
while the copy to the gateway apparently goes missing. I've BCC'd copies
to myself, and duly witnessed their arrival at this end while the
moderators assure me that they have never seen the post. I'm about as
sure as I can be that the things really are leaving the nymserver
properly, and I know that they *were* passing correctly through the
banana mail2news earlier this year -- so what can have changed?

Please, please can you check your logs for the messages I mentioned

April 26th
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>

May 9th/10th
Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
groups"
Message-id: <20070510113018.30C4063DAC@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>,

May 17th
Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
groups" (Message-id unknown, since I didn't take the precaution of
BCC'ing that one to myself)

so that I can provide specific data in my discussion with the group
moderators (i.e. 'this message definitely passed the gateway and was
mailed to the moderation address, so it must have disappeared en route
before it got to you')

Alternatively, is it possible that some new filter is in place that is
screening out the copies of the messages in question *before* they pass
the gateway? I'm really very puzzled as to how an email can arrive
safely with one listed recipient and yet vanish entirely before reaching
the other: it can't be that messages originating from the Panta-Rhei
server fall foul of some local blacklist, since I can post to all other
groups via the same gateway. I've tried everything I can think of to
test it, including cross-posting to an unmoderated group (the May 17th
message -- it never appeared on either group).

>
> I've just modified the behaviour of mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net so that it
> should now accept moderated posts. I've tested it with
> misc.test.moderated and it appears to work correctly. Please feel free
> to try it out.
>
Before I do -- does it munge?
--
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Buster Keaton fan http://uk.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=17884208

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-24, 1:13 am

Zax

2007-05-24, 7:14 am

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On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:05 BST, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
Message-Id: <20070524000026.C5ADB63A10@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:

> Please, please can you check your logs for the messages I mentioned

Hi Igenlode,

> April 26th
> Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
> Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>

FORWARDED:
From fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Thu Apr 26 05:01:37 2007
Unmangled-From: Igenlode Wordsmith <fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals

> May 9th/10th
> Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
> groups"
> Message-id: <20070510113018.30C4063DAC@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>,

FORWARDED:
From fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Thu May 10 12:30:24 2007
Unmangled-From: Igenlode Wordsmith <fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Message-Id: <20070510113018.30C4063DAC@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Subject: Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated groups
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals

> May 17th
> Subject: "Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated
> groups" (Message-id unknown, since I didn't take the precaution of
> BCC'ing that one to myself)

FORWARDED:
From fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Thu May 17 03:52:31 2007
Unmangled-From: Igenlode Wordsmith <fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Message-Id: <20070517025226.244A46384C@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
Subject: Re: Policy RFD: removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated groups
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals,news.groups

The FORWARDED implies that the gate did not post the article to usenet
but instead forwarded it to a moderator email address. Unfortunately I
can't check mail logs to see this message going out to the moderator as
I recently deleted the old logs as part of an upgrade. If you want to
try a new one to a moderated test group, I could check it.

> Alternatively, is it possible that some new filter is in place that is
> screening out the copies of the messages in question *before* they pass
> the gateway? I'm really very puzzled as to how an email can arrive
> safely with one listed recipient and yet vanish entirely before reaching
> the other: it can't be that messages originating from the Panta-Rhei
> server fall foul of some local blacklist, since I can post to all other
> groups via the same gateway. I've tried everything I can think of to
> test it, including cross-posting to an unmoderated group (the May 17th
> message -- it never appeared on either group).

Nothing has changed in the configuration of this gateway for some years
now. The last update was to change the address that moderated posts are
forwarded to when isc.org took over the role of administering them. In
terms of filters, they are only applied at my news server (Cleanfeed).
Moderated posts would bypass this completely.

> Before I do -- does it munge?

Yes, it supports the standard mail2news_nospam option. It doesn't
support the hybrid mail2news_munge option that (I think) is unique to
bananasplit.info's gateway.

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Zax

2007-05-24, 7:14 am

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On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:05 BST, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
Message-Id: <20070524000026.C5ADB63A10@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:

> [Edit: I'm slightly worried by this statement (message
><1358hpgnfo0uf60@news.supernews.com> in news.groups)
>

Possible. Supernews are at liberty to filter on anything they choose.
The only header added by the gateway is the Abuse address. The bizarre
ones mentioned are probably caused by the last-hop remailer.
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Of course, I don't know what he sent or how...]

Neither do I without a Message-ID. I think your own tests are probably
more meaningful as we can rule out PEBKAC type errors on the part of the
sender.

> It does; I've tested it from a non-nym address.
>
> Unfortunately, the munging is the only bit I'm actually interested in :-(
> If it weren't for that, I'd be emailing all posts directly, as I already
> do to another moderated group that has their own auto-munging email
> submission system set up.

Would it be of value if I ran a service that did nothing but munge and
forward for moderated messages?

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Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-26, 1:13 am

On 24 May 2007 Zax wrote:

> On Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:05 BST, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
> Message-Id: <20070524000026.C5ADB63A10@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:
>
>
> Hi Igenlode,

Many thanks for your trouble; I'm sorry to be such a clueless
nuisance...

>
>
> FORWARDED:
> From fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Thu Apr 26 05:01:37 2007
> Unmangled-From: Igenlode Wordsmith <fuku2@nym.panta-rhei.eu.org>
> Message-Id: <20070426040125.AFB34637FB@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
> Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.taino
> Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals

[snip]

> The FORWARDED implies that the gate did not post the article to usenet
> but instead forwarded it to a moderator email address. Unfortunately I
> can't check mail logs to see this message going out to the moderator as
> I recently deleted the old logs as part of an upgrade. If you want to
> try a new one to a moderated test group, I could check it.

I sent two messages to misc.test.moderated on May 23rd, one via
mail2news_nospam@bananasplit.info and one via mail2news_munge@bananasplit.info.
As of my last news fetch (circa 5pm GMT on May 25th) I'm not seeing
either of them on the group -- or indeed the successful test message from
mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net which you yourself mentioned :-(
In fact, I'm not seeing *anything* at all later than 20th Feb...

>
[snip]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Nothing has changed in the configuration of this gateway for some years
> now. The last update was to change the address that moderated posts are
> forwarded to when isc.org took over the role of administering them. In
> terms of filters, they are only applied at my news server (Cleanfeed).
> Moderated posts would bypass this completely.

Well, since the messages are showing up in the mail2news logs, at least
we know that they're getting that far - I was afraid that they were
somehow not even reaching the gateway.

[paste] (Sorry about the multiple posting - the first copy took over 24
hours to reach the group and I assumed it was lost...)

>
> Possible. Supernews are at liberty to filter on anything they choose.
> The only header added by the gateway is the Abuse address. The bizarre
> ones mentioned are probably caused by the last-hop remailer.

There isn't any last-hop remailer; the messages are mailed directly from
my Panta-Rhei address to the gateway...

So far as I can see there isn't any bizarre header information either,
unless he refers to the Author-Supplied-Address header: the headers in
the article in question look perfectly normal to me, not to mention
considerably less bizarre and/or offensive than those of other posters
to that thread!

From: Igenlode Wordsmith <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Author-Supplied-Address: fuku2 <AT> nym <DOT> panta-rhei <DOT> eu <DOT> org
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:04:16 +0100
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Rejected from n.g.p?
References: <20070519013342.A39E763856@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> < R6adnUV9fad199PbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@deskmed
ia.com>
Organization: The Ivory Tower ( http://ivory.150m.com/Tower )
Reply-To: Igenlodenospam@nym.alias.net
Message-ID: <20070523023456.B1A4C637E8@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
X-Abuse-Contact: abuse@bananasplit.info

Oh, unless he's talking about stuff on your *news server*, i.e. some of
the messages in this group :-p

>
>
>
> Neither do I without a Message-ID.

The "From" would be "Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com>"...

> I think your own tests are probably
> more meaningful as we can rule out PEBKAC type errors on the part of the
> sender.

Well, my own tests appear to be showing that posting to moderated groups
isn't working :-(

>

And to which I *also* appear currently to be unable to post -- in this
case via direct email to the moderation address -- which is making me
more than a little paranoid...
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Would it be of value if I ran a service that did nothing but munge and
> forward for moderated messages?
>
It might be nice, but I suspect it would be of rather specialised
appeal :-)

To be honest, I'm now receiving such quantities of spam on this
Panta-Rhei address (I was under the impression that spammers didn't
bother filtering the bodies of messages for email addresses, but it only
started after someone's newsreader got a bit too clever and quoted the
Reply-To as the attribution in place of the munged From) that I'm
seriously considering simply abandoning it and/or pointing it at a dead
alt.* group, and starting a new one. In which case it wouldn't cost me
anything to email the news.groups.proposals moderation address directly
from the old one, since I would simply be ignoring/deleting all incoming
replies.
--
Igenlode Wordsmith Lurker Extraordinaire

* The old that is strong does not wither *

Zax

2007-05-26, 7:13 am

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On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:10:11 +0100, Igenlode Wordsmith wrote in
Message-Id: <20070526043904.0667C6378E@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>:

> Many thanks for your trouble; I'm sorry to be such a clueless
> nuisance...
No problem, if something isn't working as it should then I'd rather get
it sorted.

I've now set up a moderated group on news.bananasplit.info with myself
as the moderator. Would you mind trying a test posting to
local.test.moderated? Hopefully I'll get the moderation request.
You'll have to use the m2n.mixmin.net gateway to test it as I haven't
configured the bananasplit one to recognise the group.

> I sent two messages to misc.test.moderated on May 23rd, one via
> mail2news_nospam@bananasplit.info and one via mail2news_munge@bananasplit.info.
> As of my last news fetch (circa 5pm GMT on May 25th) I'm not seeing
> either of them on the group -- or indeed the successful test message from
> mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net which you yourself mentioned :-(
> In fact, I'm not seeing *anything* at all later than 20th Feb...
Not sure if you ever will see those. Reading up on misc.test.moderated,
it looks like it uses a moderation bot that just sends a response back
to the From address. In your case that's munged so you won't see it.

> To be honest, I'm now receiving such quantities of spam on this
> Panta-Rhei address (I was under the impression that spammers didn't
> bother filtering the bodies of messages for email addresses, but it only
> started after someone's newsreader got a bit too clever and quoted the
> Reply-To as the attribution in place of the munged From) that I'm
> seriously considering simply abandoning it and/or pointing it at a dead
> alt.* group, and starting a new one. In which case it wouldn't cost me
> anything to email the news.groups.proposals moderation address directly
> from the old one, since I would simply be ignoring/deleting all incoming
> replies.

You might want to try nym.mixmin.net. All messages to nyms are filtered
through spamassassin and bogofilter which hopefully keeps the junk to a
minimum.

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