Anonymous Servers - Who Besides aioe Still Functioning?

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Who Besides aioe Still Functioning?

Matt Kern

2007-05-16, 1:13 pm

Who Besides aioe Still Functioning as anonymous remailers?

Is QS still no longer usable for posting to ngs?

Anonymous

2007-05-16, 1:13 pm

Fritz Wuehler

2007-05-17, 7:13 am

In article <8o3m43ljt71flhmj786pn6ur0pgot55den@4ax.com>
Matt Kern <MattKern@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote:
>
> Who Besides aioe Still Functioning as anonymous remailers?

aioe is not an anonymous remailer, it's a news server.

>
> Is QS still no longer usable for posting to ngs?

You post this all the time and never back it up. Many of us over in
apas are using QS to post with no problems. This post is posted with
it. I haven't had any posts not turn up.

If you can't get any posts to appear when you use QS, then one of the
following is probably happening:
- You're using an out of date stats source. Pick a new one. If your
stats source is bad then posts will vanish.
- Your news server that you read from is filtering remailer messages
out. Read from a different one.
- Your ISP is blocking emails sent to remailers. Use a different mail
provider or send directly to the MX of the first remailer.

It might help if you tell us what exactly your problem with QS is if
you expect any of us to help. We're not mind readers.

Fubar

2007-05-17, 7:13 am

> Is QS still no longer usable for posting to ngs?
This was posted with Quicksilver.

Matt Kern

2007-05-17, 1:14 pm

On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:16:07 +0200, Fritz Wuehler
<fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>In article <8o3m43ljt71flhmj786pn6ur0pgot55den@4ax.com>
>Matt Kern <MattKern@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
>aioe is not an anonymous remailer, it's a news server.

[vbcol=seagreen]
>You post this all the time and never back it up. Many of us over in
>apas are using QS to post with no problems. This post is posted with
>it. I haven't had any posts not turn up.

>If you can't get any posts to appear when you use QS, then one of the
>following is probably happening:
>- You're using an out of date stats source. Pick a new one. If your
>stats source is bad then posts will vanish.

I am using good data sources - bananasplit & melontrafickers

>- Your news server that you read from is filtering remailer messages
>out. Read from a different one.

Forte Agent 4 is OK

>- Your ISP is blocking emails sent to remailers. Use a different mail
>provider or send directly to the MX of the first remailer.
A possibility.

Which remailer do you recommend?

>It might help if you tell us what exactly your problem with QS is if
>you expect any of us to help. We're not mind readers.

TIA

Anonymous

2007-05-17, 1:14 pm

In article <6dmo4319ulh3s0bbmlkon34b3ppshodvdb@4ax.com>
Matt Kern <MattKern@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:16:07 +0200, Fritz Wuehler
> <fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am using good data sources - bananasplit & melontrafickers
>

I don't think melontraffickers is a good source.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-17, 1:14 pm

In article <339d9ac9c9462fbc35616d9780e95468@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>
Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
> In article <6dmo4319ulh3s0bbmlkon34b3ppshodvdb@4ax.com>
> Matt Kern <MattKern@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think melontraffickers is a good source.

This is posted with QuickSilver.

I had much the same problem a while back. I changed my stat source to
Banana and changed my gateways.

Here are two choices of gateways that work fine for me.

To: mail2news@m2n.4096.net,mail2news@dizum.com

To: mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net, mail2news@dizum.com

Use banana and a choice of one of these To: lines and I'll bet you'll
be okay.

Fritz Wuehler

2007-05-18, 7:14 pm

In article <6dmo4319ulh3s0bbmlkon34b3ppshodvdb@4ax.com>
Matt Kern <MattKern@roc.usenetexchange.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am using good data sources - bananasplit & melontrafickers

Okay, melontrafickers isn't a good source. The last time I looked,
it's stats were old and out of date.

Banana is a good source however. Stick to just using banana for now
and see if that makes a difference.

>
> Forte Agent 4 is OK

You misunderstood. Forte Agent 4 is your news *reader*, not your news
*server*. You use Forte Agent to connect to the news server. Looking
at your headers, your ISP that you post through is shaw.ca and I
assume that you also use that to read.

If shaw.ca had some abuse complaints through, didn't bother looking
and just filtered out all messages from dizum for example, many
(most?) remailer messages wouldn't appear on your server as dizum is
the most used mail2news server.

The reason I suggested that your ISP may be filtering the messages out
is because you've posted this question a few times before. Each time,
you get *many* replies but seem to respond as if nobody answered you.
I was wondering if maybe you never even saw the replies because they
went through a route that your news server is filtering out.

Here's an idea: news.readfreenews.net is a free server that you can
use for reading news (not posting). Change your server to that and
have another look, are your posts on that? There are other free ones
too: aioe.org is free for reading *and* posting, news.mixmin.net is
free for reading.

Another way to check would simply be to look at this group (or
alt.anonymous.messages) on Google and then compare it to how it looks
in your news reader, Forte Agent. If there are many missing posts,
chances are your news server is filtering them out.

> A possibility.
>
> Which remailer do you recommend?

Well, I've always found banana reliable. If you use banana as the
first remailer in your chain (something like banana,*,*,borked for
example) then you can also use it as your mail server and bypass your
ISP one. Banana's smtp address is fleegle.mixmin.net on port 2525.

Please note that will only work if you use banana as the first
remailer in your chain.

Glenn P.,

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

On 16-May-07 at 6:00pm +0100, <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
> QS works just fine.

No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user and
have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and NONE of
them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through all of the
motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH chain happens to
be selected!!!

-- _____ %%%%%%%%%% "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> %%%%%%%%%
{~._.~} --------------------------------------------------------------
_( Y )_ "I am a sheep, telling shepherds what only a sheep can tell
(:_~*~_

them. And now I start my bleating."
(_)-(_) --LEWIS, C. S.: "Fern-Seed & Elephants".

:: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-20, 1:13 am

In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0705200046070.6767@Bfjrtb.SbkInyyrl.arg>
"Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
>
> On 16-May-07 at 6:00pm +0100, <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user and
> have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and NONE of
> them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through all of the
> motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH chain happens to
> be selected!!!

>

You're obviously doing something wrong, as it works just fine.

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

2007-05-20, 1:13 pm

In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0705200046070.6767@Bfjrtb.SbkInyyrl.arg>
"Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
>
>
> No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user and
> have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and NONE of
> them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through all of the
> motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH chain happens to
> be selected!!!

And what is the stats source you are using? What mail2news servers are
you using? What exit remailers are you trying?

rover

2007-05-20, 1:13 pm

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On Sun, 20 May 2007, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
>On 16-May-07 at 6:00pm +0100, <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user and
>have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and NONE of
>them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through all of the
>motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH chain happens to
>be selected!!!

Quicksilver is fine. QS is a posting program, not a network. Quicksilver
is working the same as it ever was, you are using bad stats, or something
else that is causing you to use bad chains, or bad M2N gateways.

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Matt Kern

2007-05-20, 1:13 pm

Ditto for me.
QS seems to be posting, but nothing appears.
I am using bananaspli for stats, ans even tried posting using the m2n
suggested, but nothing gets posted.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 00:51:25 -0400, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net>
wrote:
>On 16-May-07 at 6:00pm +0100, <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
>No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user and
>have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and NONE of
>them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through all of the
>motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH chain happens to
>be selected!!!

>-- _____ %%%%%%%%%% "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> %%%%%%%%%
> {~._.~} --------------------------------------------------------------
> _( Y )_ "I am a sheep, telling shepherds what only a sheep can tell
> (:_~*~_

them. And now I start my bleating."
> (_)-(_) --LEWIS, C. S.: "Fern-Seed & Elephants".
>
>:: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

Matt Kern

2007-05-20, 1:13 pm

Will OMNIMIX work, instead of QS, for posting to ngs?

If so, what template, or m2n, or how to get it working?
TIA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:11:42 +0200, rover <rover@nym.komite.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 May 2007, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
>Quicksilver is fine. QS is a posting program, not a network. Quicksilver
>is working the same as it ever was, you are using bad stats, or something
>else that is causing you to use bad chains, or bad M2N gateways.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-20, 7:13 pm

In article < a8421b61d2b91fb28d0d9a68c9dcb6ff@remaile
r.privacy.at>
"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>
>
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0705200046070.6767@Bfjrtb.SbkInyyrl.arg>
> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
>
> And what is the stats source you are using? What mail2news servers are
> you using? What exit remailers are you trying?

I have answered this question twice yesterday in this thread.

Use Banana for stats

Use either of these two To: lines

To: mail2news

2007-05-21, 1:13 am

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Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in
news:9a588a974177776c434c12d40c4db1f1@ps
eudo.borked.net:

> In article < a8421b61d2b91fb28d0d9a68c9dcb6ff@remaile
r.privacy.at>
> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
>
> I have answered this question twice yesterday in this thread.
>
> Use Banana for stats
>
> Use either of these two To: lines
>
> To: mail2news

If that's all you have on the To: line, no wonder. Try some of these:

mail2news@dizum.com
mail2news@bananasplit.info
mail2news@dizum.com
mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net

If you have the hashcash software to generate tokens with, you can use
these m2n gateways that require hashcash:

mail2news-hashcash@bikikii.ath.cx
mail2news-hashcash@panta-rhei.dyndns.org
mail2news-hashcash_nospam AT panta-rhei.eu.org

- --
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http://offthecuff.lurasbookcase.com
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2007-05-21, 1:13 am

"Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote in
news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0705200046070.6767@Bfjrtb.SbkInyyrl.arg:

> On 16-May-07 at 6:00pm +0100, <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, QuickSilver most certainly is NOT fine! I am a QuickSilver user
> and have been trying for a couple of WEEKS now to post messages, and
> NONE of them have EVER showed up. Not ONE! QuickSilver goes through
> all of the motions, but nothing ever gets posted, no matter WHICH
> chain happens to be selected!!!

Are you using a good stats source?

I personally recommend these: (ymmv)
http://pinger.bananasplit.info/rlist2.txt
http://pinger.bananasplit.info/pgp-all.asc
http://pinger.bananasplit.info/pubring.mix
http://pinger.bananasplit.info/type2.list

Do you update your stats at least every 4 or 5 hours or before sending
msgs?

Do you have current PGP and Mixmaster keyrings?

Just those items by themselves will cause trouble and are easy to fix

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http://blog.peculiarplace.com
http://offthecuff.lurasbookcase.com
http://peculiarplace.com
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Do you update your stats at least every 4 or 5 hours or before sending
msgs?

Do you have current PGP and Mixmaster keyrings?

Just those items by themselves will cause trouble and are easy to fix

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http://offthecuff.lurasbookcase.com
http://peculiarplace.com

Glenn P.,

2007-05-21, 7:13 am

On 20-May-07 at 2:52pm +0200, <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
> And what is the stats source you are using? What mail2news servers are
> you using? What exit remailers are you trying?

It matters not at this point: the advice of earlier posters to use the
stats provided by "bananasplit" to use "mixmin" for the server,
and "borked" for the exit remailer, seems to have proven fruitful. My
posts are showing up again. Many thanks!

BTW -- to the aforesaid posters (you know who you are!), while I DO thank
you, very much, for your help; and while googling for the correct "banana"
URL was successful; providing that URL in the body of your posts would
have been MOST helpful (astonishingly, it wasn't included in the list of
URL's from which QS retrieves its stats -- I actually had to add it
myself manually!), and would have saved me from a considerable, and,
may I add, completely unnecessary, expenditure of time.

-- >>>>> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> <<<<<
-----------------------------------------
"Hoc in loco praecantato summa in Silva sito Puellus
et Ursus suus semper ludent."

:: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

Glenn P.,

2007-05-21, 7:13 am

On 20-May-07 at 10:41pm -0500, <apostle@REMOVETHISpeculiar.homeip.net> wrote:

[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Are you using a good stats source?

> I personally recommend these (ymmv):

> http://pinger.bananasplit.info/rlist2.txt
> http://pinger.bananasplit.info/pgp-all.asc
> http://pinger.bananasplit.info/pubring.mix
> http://pinger.bananasplit.info/type2.list

Noted, but I do believe I am now using all of these.

> Do you update your stats at least every 4 or 5 hours or before
> sending msgs?

I have QS set to ALWAYS "update" before "send", UNLESS *less* than one
minute has elapsed since the last "send". Is that sufficient, do you
think?

> Do you have current PGP and Mixmaster keyrings?

Hmmmmm... On THAT point, I haven't God's own notion! Doesn't QS take
care of that itself? Aren't those among the things it "updates" before
sending???

If not, how does one update QS's PGP & Mix keys, or else verify that
they are current? Procedure, please!

As noted in an earlier post, QS seems to be working again now that I'm
using "banana" stats, "mixmin" server, and "borked" exit -- but knowing
how to update the keys wouldn't be a bad thing to know as well!

Thanks in advance for the information and help.

-- >>>>> "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> <<<<<
-----------------------------------------
"Hoc in loco praecantato summa in Silva sito Puellus
et Ursus suus semper ludent."

:: Take Note Of The Spam Block On My E-Mail Address! ::

Anonymous

2007-05-21, 7:14 pm

In article <Xns9936E78FAAF3E2362352@127.0.0.1>
Ed <apostle@REMOVETHISpeculiar.homeip.net> wrote:
>
> mail2news@bananasplit.info
> mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net

mail2news@bananasplit.info and mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net are the same
mail2news server.

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-21, 7:14 pm

In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0705210500480.23702@Bfjrtb.SbkInyyrl.arg>
"Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS@FVI.Net> wrote:
>
> On 20-May-07 at 10:41pm -0500, <apostle@REMOVETHISpeculiar.homeip.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Noted, but I do believe I am now using all of these.
>
>
>
> I have QS set to ALWAYS "update" before "send", UNLESS *less* than one
> minute has elapsed since the last "send". Is that sufficient, do you
> think?

>
>
>
> Hmmmmm... On THAT point, I haven't God's own notion! Doesn't QS take
> care of that itself? Aren't those among the things it "updates" before
> sending???
>
> If not, how does one update QS's PGP & Mix keys, or else verify that
> they are current? Procedure, please!

Open QS. Click 'Tools|Remailers'. In the remailer dialog click the
'Help' button. Read all the topics that come up.

Zax

2007-05-21, 7:14 pm

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On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:25:09 +0200, Anonymous wrote in
Message-Id: <a9fe262834f2a905ace577aa4b1839f3@awxcnx.de>:

> mail2news@bananasplit.info and mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net are the same
> mail2news server.

They run on the same server but they are different code.
bananasplit.info runs the original multipost software (as per Dizum).
m2n.mixmin.net is written in Python and has slightly different
functionality.

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--
pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

Anonymous

2007-05-22, 1:13 am

In article <f2t72v$tse$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> They run on the same server but they are different code.
> bananasplit.info runs the original multipost software (as per Dizum).
> m2n.mixmin.net is written in Python and has slightly different
> functionality.

What's the different functionality?

Zax

2007-05-22, 7:13 am

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On Tue, 22 May 2007 04:35:36 -0000, Anonymous wrote in
Message-Id: <19700b093827935f503baff9909980db@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>:

> What's the different functionality?

m2n.mixmin.net supports posts with the destination group coded into
the From header. It also removes specific content, such as the
Mixminion cut marks. Then there's support for an X-Newsserver header to
send a message to a specific news server.

Hopefully it now also supports posting to moderated groups.

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pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

Anonymous

2007-05-22, 1:13 pm

In article <f2u8sq$scm$1@bananasplit.info>
Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> m2n.mixmin.net supports posts with the destination group coded into
> the From header. It also removes specific content, such as the
> Mixminion cut marks. Then there's support for an X-Newsserver header to
> send a message to a specific news server.

I haven't seen anything mentioned about that X-Newsserver header. How
do I use that? Where is this information posted?! Don't remailers
filter out headers such as X-Newsserver before it arrives at your m2n?

admin

2007-05-22, 1:13 pm

Apologies in advance for duplicate or mangled posts.

On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:07:17 +0000, Anonymous wrote:

> In article <f2u8sq$scm$1@bananasplit.info>
> Zax <admin@bananasplit.info> wrote:
>
> I haven't seen anything mentioned about that X-Newsserver header. How
> do I use that? Where is this information posted?! Don't remailers
> filter out headers such as X-Newsserver before it arrives at your m2n?

See the writeup at: http://eelbash.yi.org:8080/info/remm2n.html

Both mail2news@newsanon.yi.org and mail2news@m2n.mixmin.net use the
X-Newsserver header.

Mail2news@newsanon.yi.org additionally allows the X-Newsauth header, in
case the news server requires authentication (typically, a 'public'
userid and password - naturally, it would be idiotic to send a private
userid/password through a gateway).

Here's an example of using them:

from: joeblow@abc.invalid
to: mail2news@newsanon.yi.org
subject: some subject
newsgroups: grc.test

x-newsserver: news.grc.com
x-newsauth: 12345678:12345678
some message text starts here.

If the server doesn't require authentication, you can skip the x-newauth
directive, and in that case you can also use m2n.mixmin.net if you like.

For mail2news@newsanon.yi.org, the x-newsserver and x-newsauth headers
can be put either in the message headers, or at the start of the message
body; so if you are concerned about them being removed by the final
remailer, put them in the message body.

Zax

2007-05-22, 1:13 pm

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On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:07:17 -0000, Anonymous wrote in
Message-Id: <ac7be780a8989e31b53202d8d58d6290@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>:

> I haven't seen anything mentioned about that X-Newsserver header. How
> do I use that? Where is this information posted?! Don't remailers
> filter out headers such as X-Newsserver before it arrives at your m2n?

Here's a link to a couple of apa-s postings about it:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/al...0b?dmode=source
Describes the syntax of the From header as an alternative to a
Newsgroups header.

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/al...c6?dmode=source
Mentions the X-Newsserver header. The entire thread is related to the
topic. Note that m2n.mixmin.net doesn't support authentication like
Eelbash's gateway. I can't provide this without the user having to
supply his login details in the message.

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pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-05-22, 1:13 pm

On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:22 +0000, Zax wrote:

> Note that m2n.mixmin.net doesn't support authentication like
> Eelbash's gateway. I can't provide this without the user having to
> supply his login details in the message.

Are you afraid a user will forget that the login details are essentially
public once his message exits the last remailer?

My assumption is that people aren't that thoughtless, and will use it
only with news servers that require a 'public' or common authentication,
like that of news.grc.com.

That one allows for any userid and any password, as long as they are
identical and at least 8 characters.

Zax

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

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On Tue, 22 May 2007 17:58:32 +0000, admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote in
Message-Id: <20070522175747.qIaATFCtvtGD@anonymous.poster>:

> Are you afraid a user will forget that the login details are essentially
> public once his message exits the last remailer?

Crediting unknown users with intelligence is a stab in the dark.

Mail2news gateways lie outside the boundaries of anonymising software
and therefore I have no issues with what functionality you (or anyone
else) chooses to offer through one. There are no cap-strings to
describe specific m2n functionality so you're free to be creative.

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pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

Zax

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

Forgot to mention in my last follow-up. There's something odd with your
References header:-

References: <8o3m43ljt71flhmj786pn6ur0pgot55den@4ax.com>. That wasn't
the post you were responding to. I only noticed it because I score
posts that reference my own.

--
pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

> topic. Note that m2n.mixmin.net doesn't support authentication like
> Eelbash's gateway. I can't provide this without the user having to
> supply his login details in the message.

Does that matter? Servers like grc.com you just make up a username and
password, but can't post without one. It wouldn't matter if you saw it.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> Are you afraid a user will forget that the login details are
> essentially public once his message exits the last remailer?
>
> My assumption is that people aren't that thoughtless, and will use it
> only with news servers that require a 'public' or common
> authentication, like that of news.grc.com.
>
> That one allows for any userid and any password, as long as they are
> identical and at least 8 characters.

If you had half the common sense God gave turnips you'd realize users
don't have to provide any login/password combination at all for such
services, and it would be both safer for them and easier for you if
they didn't.

But then users' safety is a concept that's about as far removed from
your personal agenda as something can be, isn't it?

Anonymous

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:22 +0000, Zax wrote:
>
>
> Are you afraid a user will forget that the login details are essentially
> public once his message exits the last remailer?

No, he's pointing out the fact that this bit of glaring stupidity is
even more of a affront to anonymity and privacy than most of your
glaring stupidity. You're just to XXXXing stupid to get the joke.

>
> My assumption is that people aren't that thoughtless, and will use it

Your assumption is that some percentage are, and somewhere down the
road you'll be able to touch yourself in that special way while
thinking about the one or two pieces of private information you can
steal away from those particularly uninformed users.

> only with news servers that require a 'public' or common authentication,
> like that of news.grc.com.
>
> That one allows for any userid and any password, as long as they are
> identical and at least 8 characters.
>

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

On Tue, 22 May 2007 18:59:03 +0000, Zax wrote:

> Forgot to mention in my last follow-up. There's something odd with your
> References header:-
>
> References: <8o3m43ljt71flhmj786pn6ur0pgot55den@4ax.com>. That wasn't
> the post you were responding to. I only noticed it because I score
> posts that reference my own.
>

Thanks, I can't repeat it, unless this message does.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

>
> Does that matter? Servers like grc.com you just make up a username and
> password, but can't post without one. It wouldn't matter if you saw it.

There's absolutely no reason for Eelbash to see **any** user generated
login information, bogus or otherwise, other than his innate desire to
learn that information for the sake of knowing it.

And if you think a proved multiple offender isn't trying to "out" more
people, you're even dumber than Eelbash himself.

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

On Tue, 22 May 2007 22:13:19 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> If you had half the common sense God gave turnips you'd realize users
> don't have to provide any login/password combination at all for such
> services, and it would be both safer for them and easier for you if
> they didn't.

I don't know what you mean by 'such services'. I just pointed out that for
news.grc.com you have to enter a userid and password in order to post a
message. If you don't believe it, try to post without providing a userid
and password. You won't be able to do it.

Given your ignorance, your insults make you sound like a fool.

>
> But then users' safety is a concept that's about as far removed from
> your personal agenda as something can be, isn't it?

Fritz Wuehler

2007-05-22, 7:14 pm

On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:25:09 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
>
> There's absolutely no reason for Eelbash to see **any** user generated
> login information, bogus or otherwise, other than his innate desire to
> learn that information for the sake of knowing it.
>
> And if you think a proved multiple offender isn't trying to "out" more
> people, you're even dumber than Eelbash himself.

Please provide evidence for your grave accusation that Eelbash has 'outed'
someone.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-23, 1:14 am

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

>
> I don't know what you mean by 'such services'. I just pointed out that for
> news.grc.com you have to enter a userid and password in order to post a
> message. If you don't believe it, try to post without providing a userid
> and password. You won't be able to do it.

Nobody said you could, dummy. Once again the clues just fly through
that hollow Neanderthal head of yours with the same funny WHOOOOSHING
sound we've all come to expect from your end of the Internet.

Truth is dummy, cruel but deserved as it is I purposefully set you up
for another self-inflicted wound. I was /sure/ you'd far surpass the
stupidity level necessary to completely miss the concept of "user
supplied" and fire off one of your arrogant and astoundingly ignorant
replies, thereby giving me the opportunity to embarrass you thoroughly
by impaling you on your own lack of reading comprehension skills in
spite of the fact that you're usually too embarrassed to address the
truth about you most of the time, with anything but your pathetic sock
puppetry.

Thanks ever so much for not being a disappointment.

> Given your ignorance, your insults make you sound like a fool.

Excuse me? My ignorance?? <laugh>

Concentrate really hard now dummy, and see if you can come up with a
way for users to not have to supply any information at all to use the
sites you /claim/ to be targeting with your proxy, which nobody uses
anyway, just as an academic exercise. For extra credit try explaining
how it would be not only better for them, but the operator of said
proxy.

Take your time slowpoke. Try not to make an even bigger fool of
your /own/ dumb self. <snicker>

George Orwell

2007-05-23, 1:14 am

On Wed, 23 May 2007, Fritz Wuehler
<fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:25:09 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
>Please provide evidence for your grave accusation that Eelbash has 'outed'
>someone.

XXXX off, eeltrash. The evidence is in Google.

along with your "outing" of people, let me repost what I wrote before:

In addition to this arrogance, remember he also publicly campaigned for the
delisting of Austria and Dizum. He also told us that because of his
breeding, he was superior to the rest of us.

This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters and
his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy" used
to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
political correctness.

Then came his admission that he was unaware that mixmaster was a server as
well as a client, and that he had no clue what a "partitioning attack" was,
despite having run a remailer for "...over 15 years" (a blatant, bald-faced
LIE).

So his remailer was cut off from the rest of the network, become the one
and only remailer in the history of the network to receive a Remailer Death
Penalty, or RDP. Shortly thereafter, he tried to sneak back in as "Bushwa".
He was busted. Then he came back with "greatwall", despite the fact that
remailer names are supposed to observe an 8 character limit.

So now he is back again, as Asmodeus, although he is still crippled by only
being listed by 8 remailers, and 2 pingers.

His "career" as a remop is studded with examples like the ones above. If
you can find them, you can check out posts about his monitoring and
filtering behavior on past remailers he has run. The ones we know about
are:

eelbash
axloltl
axolotl2
cheshire
congo
bog
bogg
eelbash (again)
bushwa
greatwall
asmodeus

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-23, 1:13 pm

In article
<07a4168c3339d378c02ee16f012b7844@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
wrote:

> snipped

> Please provide evidence for your grave accusation that Eelbash has 'outed'
> someone.

Now that Cotse is back up, it's all right here

The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous/parsifal Chronicles
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-23, 1:13 pm

On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:44:12 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> In article
> <07a4168c3339d378c02ee16f012b7844@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
> Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-200705.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Now that Cotse is back up, it's all right here
>
> The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous/parsifal Chronicles
> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

All I can find is a post accusing eelbash of 'outing' one person, with no
evidence for it.

In addition, the post is from 2000, 7 years ago. If eelbash is in the
habit of outing people, where are the more recent 'outs'?

No, your 'evidence' sounds like rubbish.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-23, 1:13 pm

On 23 May 2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:44:12 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>
>All I can find is a post accusing eelbash of 'outing' one person, with no
>evidence for it.
>
>In addition, the post is from 2000, 7 years ago. If eelbash is in the
>habit of outing people, where are the more recent 'outs'?
>
>No, your 'evidence' sounds like rubbish.

You sound like eelbash. You can't excape your past, Jiang.

Anonymous

2007-05-23, 1:13 pm

In article < c4af816cf7a8895e55deb1dfe493165a@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
>
> You sound like eelbash. You can't excape your past, Jiang.

The character his broken posting software keeps adding to all of his
posts shows that it was in fact eelbash.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-23, 1:13 pm

In article < 1dce0611cefeae782d7b0d4fc714828e@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:44:12 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>
> All I can find is a post accusing eelbash of 'outing' one person, with no
> evidence for it.

6 people, eelwipe. You must know too many people are too lazy to go to
the site, so you figure your lies will convince the lazy that the facts
of your outings are untrue.

And *if* it were only one person, that would still be totally
unacceptable. No other remop would do such a thing.

> In addition, the post is from 2000, 7 years ago. If eelbash is in the
> habit of outing people, where are the more recent 'outs'?

That's because Bluejay's pages ended your reign of bullshit, eelwipe.
Nobody trusted your toilet services after that.

> No, your 'evidence' sounds like rubbish.

Rubbish is a certain sociopath canuck chink who tried to control the
remailer system and failed utterly.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-23, 7:13 pm

Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> Rubbish is a certain sociopath canuck chink who tried to control the
> remailer system and failed utterly.

How many stats sources list eelbash again?

Oh, that's right. The number is....

_ ____________ _____ ____ _
/\| |/\ |___ / ____| __ \ / __ \ /\| |/\
\ ` ' / / /| |__ | |__) | | | | \ ` ' /
|_ _| / / | __| | _ /| | | | |_ _|
/ , . \ / /__| |____| | \ \| |__| | / , . \
\/|_|\/ /_____|______|_| \_\\____/ \/|_|\/

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-23, 7:13 pm

On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:56:08 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> In article < 1dce0611cefeae782d7b0d4fc714828e@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> 6 people, eelwipe. You must know too many people are too lazy to go to
> the site, so you figure your lies will convince the lazy that the facts
> of your outings are untrue.

When making an accusation of such gravity, the accuser has a
responsibility to provide precise evidence, not just 'look in google' or
some half-baked web page.

>
> And *if* it were only one person, that would still be totally
> unacceptable. No other remop would do such a thing.
>
>
> That's because Bluejay's pages ended your reign of bullshit, eelwipe.
> Nobody trusted your toilet services after that.
>
>
> Rubbish is a certain sociopath canuck chink who tried to control the
> remailer system and failed utterly.

I thought it was 'Secure beer' who tried to do that.

George Orwell

2007-05-23, 7:13 pm

On Wed, 23 May 2007, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:56:08 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
>When making an accusation of such gravity, the accuser has a
>responsibility to provide precise evidence, not just 'look in google' or
>some half-baked web page.

Normally this would be true. However, the evidence against you, eelgash,
is rich and varied. But every time it is brought up, you come in with your
sock puppets and attempt to sound like a "concerned user". The evidence
has been presented here ad naseum. The web page is not half-baked, it is a
history. Your history is what it is. Accept it, and move on.

May I suggest stamp collecting?

>
>
>I thought it was 'Secure beer' who tried to do that.

If you remember SecureBeer then you remember Eelgash's exploits.

Igenlode Wordsmith

2007-05-24, 1:13 am

Anonymous <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote in message <1eb6080935ce1a30c537e8c47aba01c3@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net>

> In article < c4af816cf7a8895e55deb1dfe493165a@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
> The character his broken posting software keeps adding to all of his
> posts shows that it was in fact eelbash.

I wish someone would tell me about this, as I've examined numerous
copies of said posts quite carefully in their raw format, and have never
managed to identify any non-printable (or for that matter printable)
character in common, anywhere it shouldn't be... and am now wildly
curious, of course!
--
Igenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/

* Never assume malice when ignorance is a possibility *

Hal Turner

2007-05-24, 1:13 pm

On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:06:36 +0200, George Orwell wrote:

> On Wed, 23 May 2007, Fritz Wuehler
>
> XXXX off, eeltrash. The evidence is in Google.
>
Ah yes, hidden away in a search engine's archives. You might as well say
there is no evidence, which there is not.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

In article
<5007b50654a5cdec88fe040c1cf6a443@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:06:36 +0200, George Orwell wrote:
>
> Ah yes, hidden away in a search engine's archives. You might as well say
> there is no evidence, which there is not.

shut the XXXX up, eelslime.

Hidden away in a search engine's archive?

Hardly.

Here is Bluejay's links to much of Google's eelslime's history.

http://tinyurl.com/bkh3s

or in it's entirety

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+...=r&start=0&sa=N

So, shut the XXXX up Hal/eelswine.

Bluejay's pages concerning eelshit.
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

Hal Turner

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:24:01 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> In article
> <5007b50654a5cdec88fe040c1cf6a443@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
> Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:
>
>
> shut the XXXX up, eelslime.
>
> Hidden away in a search engine's archive?
>
> Hardly.
>
> Here is Bluejay's links to much of Google's eelslime's history.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bkh3s
>
> or in it's entirety
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+...=r&start=0&sa=N
>
> So, shut the XXXX up Hal/eelswine.
>
> Bluejay's pages concerning eelshit.
> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

You are still unable to post anything that is evidence that eelbash ever
'outed' anybody. And you haven't posted it because you can't.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:06:36 +0200, George Orwell wrote:
>
> Ah yes, hidden away in a search engine's archives. You might as well say
> there is no evidence, which there is not.

No, it's just not going to be re-posted here a thousand and ONE times
because the biggest XXXXXXX the remailer network has ever seen stomps
his feet and demands it.

The verified and supported truth about you is that you've.....

Attempted to out people repeatedly, with your only "successes" being
dismal failures where you managed to expose innocent people.

Tried running multiple remailers on the sly to improve your chances of
tracking messages.

Rolled out numerous "extra services" that were not only a disaster for
anonymity by design, but did things like "tag" every message going
through them.

Edited messages that didn't meet your warped and hypocritical standard
of conduct.

Filtered messages entirely, based on content you didn't like.

Displayed gross incompetence through things like invalid remailer names
and your glaring lack of understanding regarding what remailer software
is and does.

Stolen other people's work, made minor changes that usually broke that
work horribly, and called it your own.

Tried to rally support for your plans to get other remailer operators
de-listed, when they spoke out opposing any of your bullshit. This is
probably the most amusing of your antics, given the fact that you are
now the ONLY operator in history to be 100% off the radar by consensus
of the remailer community itself.

Nice job, Jiang. You finally succeeded at something. :-)

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:06:36 +0200, George Orwell wrote:
>
> Ah yes, hidden away in a search engine's archives. You might as well say
> there is no evidence, which there is not.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....b594e0f07a170cf

eelbash-admin@excite.com wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

This is a repost of the earlier message - you can see the contents of the
blocked messages at this URL:
http://members.xoom.com/eelbashw/psycho.html

*************************

At the request of several people, I put blocks into the eelbash remailer to
keep certain combinations of newsgroups and other headers from going
through.

I thought it might be useful to publish, from time to time, information
about the posts that were blocked.

The list below shows 5 messages that were blocked yesterday. Four of them
supposedly come from 'freedom@freedom.org', and the fifth supposedly comes
from 'fred.burgess@d12.netpluscom.com'.

Eelbash blocks very few posts; in addition, these 5 posts arrived within 30
minutes of one another. You don't have to be a statistician to conclude
it's very likely that all 5 were sent by the same person.

I have no way of knowing who actually sent *any* of the posts.

To see the first 20 or so lines of each post, go to
http://members.xoom.com/eelbashw/psycho.html

Eelbash does not log or keep any messages that go through it, except,
temporarily, the few messages that are blocked. These I read to make sure
they were not blocked by mistake, and then delete them. So far, no message
has been blocked by mistake: the software is working as it is supposed to.

- - eelbash admin

TIME / FROM SUBJECT
6/30/00 8:21:31 AM freedom@freedom.org Re: Embarrassing months for crossposters
6/30/00 8:28:05 AM freedom@freedom.org "PangK, statutory rapist"
6/30/00 8:31:27 AM freedom@freedom.org "Hey PangK, you ole liar...."
6/30/00 8:36:52 AM fred.burgess@d12.netpluscom.com Thoughts about moderation
6/30/00 8:49:37 AM freedom@freedom.org Re: squabbling men

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admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

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On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:47:55 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....b594e0f07a170cf
>
> eelbash-admin@excite.com wrote:

I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should mention
that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one time. I
mentioned since that I regretted having done that. You can probably dig
that out of the archives too.

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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:

> You are still unable to post anything that is evidence that eelbash ever
> 'outed' anybody. And you haven't posted it because you can't.

Smug confident liar, aren't you?

<20070524200221.KA9Vpj7dGmtY@anonymous.poster>

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:37:17 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> Hal Turner <hturner@msnbc.comm> wrote:
>
>
> No, it's just not going to be re-posted here...

Of course not; there's nothing to re-post.

>
> The verified and supported truth about you is that you've.....
>
> Attempted to...Tried running....Rolled
> out....Edited....Filtered....Displayed....Stolen....Tried to rally....

You know, when I see such animus against somebody, especially when it
involves some rinkydink hobby, I always suspect that there is a more
personal motive involved.

Almost everything you have said above is an outright lie or a gross
distortion. Why don't you tell us what really motivates you? Has eelbash
hurt your feelings in some way? Did he call you a psycho? Emotionally
retarded? Impugned your religion? Your culture? Your race?

I'm sure that if you start acting like a sane adult, eelbash will treat
you like one. Why don't you start by telling the truth about what is
eating away at you?

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should mention
> that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one time.

You are not alone.

Dingo outed users in the cuban affair.
Twinky outed a user and even threatened to visit him and beat him up.

Both were still respected remops afterwards.

You just XXXXed it up by calling them psycho.html and repeatedly mucking
with messages entrusted to your remailer.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

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> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:47:55 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
> I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should mention
> that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one time. I

Yeah motherXXXXer, the WRONG person. An innocent victim of your
meddling incompetence. Why you were even recognized by anyone as a
legitimate member of the remailer community by anyone after that defies
logic, but it's a mistake that has finally been remedied.

Have any idea how incredibly pathetic you look at this point, hanging
around trying to lick the sweat of the balls of the remailer network with
your broken scripts and XXXXed up services?

More pathetic than any other person has ever looked in these groups
Jiang. Without a close second.

> mentioned since that I regretted having done that. You can probably dig
> that out of the archives too.

And by the way, this revolting little "confession" of yours won't
change anything. You're transparent as glass.

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Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should mention
> that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one time.

Of course you didn't come forward until someone else posted the evidence.

> I mentioned since that I regretted having done that. You can probably dig
> that out of the archives too.

No. You successfully sent your few words of remorse to the X-No-Archive
bitbucket.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

In article <20070524200221.KA9Vpj7dGmtY@anonymous.poster>
admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
> I have been reading this thread with interest

Yes and you've been posting to it too. You keep outing yourself,
remember?

> , and thought I should mention that I did indeed out someone back in
> 2000

Funny that you only decided to mention it in a PGP signed message
*after* someone posted the evidence.

You should consider becoming a politician, they also like to own up
to things after irrefutable evidence of their guilt becomes public.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

> You know, when I see such animus against somebody, especially when it
> involves some rinkydink hobby, I always suspect that there is a more
> personal motive involved.

So now were back to the "hobby" argument are we Jiang?

Why isn't that any great surprise? Belittling the remailer network and
the right to speak freely is another one of your more notable
inanities. Thanks for correcting this omission, although I suppose in
some ways it's covered under "actively attacking"..

> Almost everything you have said above is an outright lie or a gross

Every word of it is true, and documented. You're just too much of a
child to own up to any of it. Or maybe you're just so far gone you
actually don't think you did any of those things. Either way, makes no
difference, you're still a putrid little piece of human refuse.

By the way, we forgot reneging on bets that you obviously lost by
changing the rules after the fact and/or just ignoring your own
promises. A character flaw that undoubtedly has much to do with all
the rest of your bullshit. You're morally inferior at your core.

> distortion. Why don't you tell us what really motivates you? Has eelbash
> hurt your feelings in some way? Did he call you a psycho? Emotionally
> retarded? Impugned your religion? Your culture? Your race?

None of the above. You're just a grade A XXXXXXX who deserves every
crumb of punishment you're willing to endure. You've invested years in
attacking anonymity, and this is just part of your return.

Proud of yourself? As proud as you are about being the only remop in
history to be completely blacklisted? <snicker>

> I'm sure that if you start acting like a sane adult, eelbash will treat
> you like one. Why don't you start by telling the truth about what is
> eating away at you?

Nothing at all. And personally, I don't need or require the respect of
someone like you. I don't want you to look at me as anything but your
tormentor, because on the day that you do it means I've soiled myself
by doing something someone like you might respect. There's nothing in
that bizarre little brain if yours that I want to have any positive
association with at all Jiang. You really are that big a whack job.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

On 24 May 2007, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
<anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
>
>I'm sure that if you start acting like a sane adult, eelbash will treat
>you like one. Why don't you start by telling the truth about what is
>eating away at you?

XXXX the XXXX OFF, bottom-feeding eeltrash. No messages for you to fondle
today.

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:

> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> Of course you didn't come forward until someone else posted the evidence.
>
>
> No. You successfully sent your few words of remorse to the X-No-Archive
> bitbucket.

I'm sure there's other archives.

If someone would care to enlighten me with some URL's I'd be more than
happy to peruse them for the information. I'll even donate web space to
host a compendium of these documents, on my own domain where mere
complaints eelbash will have no effect at all. He'll have to actually
put up or piss off.

I really am that sick and tired of eelbash's nonsense.....

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

<admin@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>
> I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should mention
> that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one time.

Do you remember the post below? You got it nuked from Google, but you
PGP signed it and the signature verifies. The original thread with the
post quoted is still there, and I've included the full post below.

"Do you want the remailers to be a part of this? Do you want to lie down
with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the bug spray of
monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?"

That's probably your finest quote ever. The post below provides real
insight into exactly why you got involved in the remailer network in
the first place. To control, monitor, and censor a system that you
can't stand because it allows freedom of speech and anonymity. Speech
that you might not agree with, and anonymity of people you may not
like.

And that is why you will never, ever, be trusted.

PGP key to verify, if you don't already have it:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....ed?dmode=source
or http://www.bananasplit.info/usenet/eelbash_announce.txt

Original thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....6412b007dd36246

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By the way, boys, I apologize in advance, but in throwing away the naughty
French version of Reliable, and going back to the good old American
version, I neglected to say that I make no representations as to the length
of time that will pass before I again embrace the delectable French
Reliable.

If I see too many instances of nastiness showing up on the net, I may feel
the need to jump back in and start monitoring again; blocking follows from
that ('censorship' to the Shyster); and after that, making known the id of
the scumbags responsible. It goes without saying that more sophisticated
monitoring will follow: keyword searches of content; monitoring the input
to the remailer, etc., etc.

I can say that I will never jeopardize or invade the privacy of legitimate
users, but people I suspect of being in the scumbag catergory, and it is I
who must decide who is or is not a scumbag, have, in my humble opinion, no
right to privacy: I will track them down like the skunks they are.

And, yes, I think that content is something that must be looked at, and
when it is found to fall into the scumbag category (according to my
judgement), may and will be used to censor the post: I will not (I mean,
possibly, and in the future) allow Eelbash to be used as a conduit for
every species of filth).

At the moment I don't have to tools to do the job properly: a keyword
search program is needed, but when I do, the temptation to use it may be
overwhelming.

Please note that none of this is the case now: I am simply reserving the
right to do it at some time in the future.

Think about it: American society has become so degraded that 'motherXXXXer'
is now a term of endearment! Unfortunately, the US seems to have a large
influence on other Western countries, and I don't doubt that 'motherXXXXer'
is also a term of endearment in many other nations, or is at least
considered a benign word of greeting and reference.

Do you want the remailers to be a part of this? Do you want to lie down
with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the bug spray of
monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?

Even if you are one of the lice, remailers that follow such an
irresponsible course will, eventually, bring down the wrath of the public
and politicians, and end up legislated out of existence.

Of course, remailers are klunky, and something like Publius, or WOF, will
probaby soon replace them.; I'm not sure how they work, but have the
feeling it will become more difficult for right-minded operators to do
their good work. That will probably hasten the demise of Publius and WOF,
along with all other remailers.

My apolgies again for misleading you, perhaps.

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George Orwell

2007-05-24, 7:13 pm

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In article <20070524200221.KA9Vpj7dGmtY@anonymous.poster>
admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
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> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:47:55 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
>
> I have been reading this thread with interest, and thought I should
> mention that I did indeed out someone back in 2000 - one person, one
> time. I mentioned since that I regretted having done that. You can
> probably dig that out of the archives too.
>

How interesting how ghosts from the past keep haunting one.

I received an email telling me that eelshit is endeavoring to unslime
herself, with very little luck.

Keep posting under all your fake remailer aliases you arrogant XXXXX.
There isn't anyone in here that doesn't know the stench of mendacity
surrounding one of your posts when they read it.

My Pages will stay on Cotse forever. A constant reminder to everyone,
especially newcomers, as to what a treacherous XXXXX you are. (If
anyone wonders why I refer to the chink as XXXXX, just pay attention to
the defense mechanisms employed by her. They are strictly feminine.
Besides, I had inside info a few years back regarding this which
cleared up a lot of questions I had about the strangeness of eelslime's
reactions to direct confrontation.)

Eelboob's page
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/frog/eelbash.html

You will also find tons of google links showing eelbitch's history.

(I'm forced to post through a remailer, for it seems Cotse no longer
has newsgroup access. Been a long time since I used the account.)

Bluejay

PGP sig here:
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George Orwell

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

On Thu, 24 May 2007 23:27:44 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> Yeah motherXXXXer, the WRONG person. An innocent victim of your
> meddling incompetence. Why you were even recognized by anyone as a
> legitimate member of the remailer community by anyone after that defies
> logic, but it's a mistake that has finally been remedied.
>
> Have any idea how incredibly pathetic you look at this point, hanging
> around trying to lick the sweat of the balls of the remailer network with
> your broken scripts and XXXXed up services?
>
> More pathetic than any other person has ever looked in these groups
> Jiang. Without a close second.
>
>
> And by the way, this revolting little "confession" of yours won't
> change anything. You're transparent as glass.

Did Eelbash call you a psycho too?

admin@eelbash.yi.org

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

On Fri, 25 May 2007 02:10:17 +0200, George Orwell wrote:

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> In article <20070524200221.KA9Vpj7dGmtY@anonymous.poster>
> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> How interesting how ghosts from the past keep haunting one.
>
> I received an email telling me that eelshit is endeavoring to unslime
> herself, with very little luck.

You kids take this hobby a little too seriously. It's a nice hobby, and
can even do a bit of good on rare occasions, as opposed to providing
entertainment, but it's not worth getting so worked-up about.

Try to see it in perspective, try to be minimally civil, and....try to
relax and enjoy the hobby.

>
> Keep posting under all your fake remailer aliases you arrogant XXXXX.
> There isn't anyone in here that doesn't know the stench of mendacity
> surrounding one of your posts when they read it.
>
> My Pages will stay on Cotse forever. A constant reminder to everyone,
> especially newcomers, as to what a treacherous XXXXX you are. (If
> anyone wonders why I refer to the chink as XXXXX, just pay attention to
> the defense mechanisms employed by her. They are strictly feminine.
> Besides, I had inside info a few years back regarding this which
> cleared up a lot of questions I had about the strangeness of eelslime's
> reactions to direct confrontation.)
>
> Eelboob's page
> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html
>
> http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/frog/eelbash.html
>
> You will also find tons of google links showing eelbitch's history.
>
> (I'm forced to post through a remailer, for it seems Cotse no longer
> has newsgroup access. Been a long time since I used the account.)
>
> Bluejay
>
> PGP sig here:
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Non scrivetemi

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

In article < b350b458647fcb551f09a65736086c63@mixmast
er.it>
George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
>
> Bluejay
>

FOAD!

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

> By the way, boys, I apologize in advance, but in throwing away the naughty
> French version of Reliable, and going back to the good old American
> version, I neglected to say that I make no representations as to the length
> of time that will pass before I again embrace the delectable French
> Reliable.
>
> If I see too many instances of nastiness showing up on the net, I may feel
> the need to jump back in and start monitoring again; blocking follows from
> that ('censorship' to the Shyster); and after that, making known the id of
> the scumbags responsible. It goes without saying that more sophisticated
> monitoring will follow: keyword searches of content; monitoring the input
> to the remailer, etc., etc.
>
> I can say that I will never jeopardize or invade the privacy of legitimate
> users, but people I suspect of being in the scumbag catergory, and it is I
> who must decide who is or is not a scumbag, have, in my humble opinion, no
> right to privacy: I will track them down like the skunks they are.
>
> And, yes, I think that content is something that must be looked at, and
> when it is found to fall into the scumbag category (according to my
> judgement), may and will be used to censor the post: I will not (I mean,
> possibly, and in the future) allow Eelbash to be used as a conduit for
> every species of filth).
>
> At the moment I don't have to tools to do the job properly: a keyword
> search program is needed, but when I do, the temptation to use it may be
> overwhelming.
>
> Please note that none of this is the case now: I am simply reserving the
> right to do it at some time in the future.
>
> Think about it: American society has become so degraded that 'motherXXXXer'
> is now a term of endearment! Unfortunately, the US seems to have a large
> influence on other Western countries, and I don't doubt that 'motherXXXXer'
> is also a term of endearment in many other nations, or is at least
> considered a benign word of greeting and reference.
>
> Do you want the remailers to be a part of this? Do you want to lie down
> with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the bug spray of
> monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?
>
> Even if you are one of the lice, remailers that follow such an
> irresponsible course will, eventually, bring down the wrath of the public
> and politicians, and end up legislated out of existence.
>
> Of course, remailers are klunky, and something like Publius, or WOF, will
> probaby soon replace them.; I'm not sure how they work, but have the
> feeling it will become more difficult for right-minded operators to do
> their good work. That will probably hasten the demise of Publius and WOF,
> along with all other remailers.
>
> My apolgies again for misleading you, perhaps.

I nearly fell off my chair when PGP confirmed the signature
was valid. I thought he was just a bit of a harmless moron
before, but that is some scary shit!

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

On Fri, 25 May 2007, George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
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>In article <20070524200221.KA9Vpj7dGmtY@anonymous.poster>
>admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
>How interesting how ghosts from the past keep haunting one.
>
>I received an email telling me that eelshit is endeavoring to unslime
>herself, with very little luck.

HERself? Eelgash is a Oriental woman? Ah-so, now it all fits. The behaviors
fit so clearly.

Bluejay, what is the certainty level on eelgash's gender? 75%? 90%?

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

(not an) admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:

> You kids take this hobby a little too seriously. It's a nice hobby, and
> can even do a bit of good on rare occasions, as opposed to providing
> entertainment, but it's not worth getting so worked-up about.

If it's nothing but a meaningless diversion from the mind numbing
trivia of everyday life why are you still here? What sort of "real"
life do you have to endure, to make you feel as though the fruits of
your abhorrent labors in this place, are some sort of "escape"? You're
mocked and embarrassed at every turn, yet here you are claiming it's
absolutely nothing but some of flavor of "fun" at its very essence.

The mind truly boggles.

Either you are the single most wretched creature in North America after
Barbara Schwarz [sic], or you're desperately trying to play down the
importance of this "hobby" to lessen the effect your own abuse of it
has on your already irrecoverably damaged reputation.

Given the odds that someone could conceivably survive a reality worse
than the punishment you've heaped on yourself as an on line entity, I
gotta go with "transparent liar".

> Try to see it in perspective, try to be minimally civil, and....try to
> relax and enjoy the hobby.

You've spent nearly a decade directly and indirectly attacking the
network, it's operators and its users, obsessing over ways to
compromise anonymous speakers, and you even started this tedious
macrology by calling everyone who has beat you over the head with the
reality of your own actions and behavior "kids", but you want to be
"civil"? To "relax and enjoy"?

I think Frank Zappa said it best.

"XXXX yourself with a rubber hose
Stick it in your mouth and down your throat
Up your nose and in your heinie hole
I don't care where it goes..."

Is that loud and clear enough for your superior intellect to wrap
itself around you pretentious little juvenile delinquent? Or do you
need the fact that you'll NEVER be part of the privacy and anonymity
community after what you've done spelled out in black and white single
syllable words?

Anonymous

2007-05-25, 1:18 am

> How interesting how ghosts from the past keep haunting one.

Hi Bluejay. Still hate gay people?

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-25, 7:13 am

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Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 May 2007, George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> HERself? Eelgash is a Oriental woman? Ah-so, now it all fits. The
> behaviors fit so clearly.
>
> Bluejay, what is the certainty level on eelgash's gender? 75%? 90%?

I am 95% certain. Whoever it is that keeps her halfassed "systems"
running may be a male, but eelgash is definitely a XXXXX. Eelshit's
reactions are totally those of the quintessential XXXXX.

The eelbash/cheshire/bogg/asmodeous/parsifal Chronicles
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/...claration2.html

Posts Referring To The Eelbitch Debacle
http://www.cotse.net/users/bluejay/frog/eelbash.html

eelbitch's Google links
http://tinyurl.com/2jjlb

Bluejay

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Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-25, 7:13 am

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:

>
> I am 95% certain. Whoever it is that keeps her halfassed "systems"

There is the Sewing machine site, all the cats, and the Helen Scarth
connection someone went after a while back.

Whether it's a man, woman, or something in between, you're right about
everything eelbash does reminding one of a spitefu cunt still on the
rag about not being asked to the prom 57 years ago. You can almost
smell the horn rim glasses and jumbo sized granny panties.

Welcome back by the way, you cantankerous old buzzard. ;)

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer

2007-05-25, 7:13 am

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Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it>
> wrote:
>
>
> There is the Sewing machine site, all the cats, and the Helen Scarth
> connection someone went after a while back.
>
> Whether it's a man, woman, or something in between, you're right
> about everything eelbash does reminding one of a spitefu cunt still
> on the rag about not being asked to the prom 57 years ago. You can
> almost
> smell the horn rim glasses and jumbo sized granny panties.
>
> Welcome back by the way, you cantankerous old buzzard. ;)

I won't be here for long. I just *had* to remind eelbitch that the
pages are still there and will remain there. I'm even thinking of
setting up a trust fund for after I croak. If Verizon allows Cotse to
last, eelbitch will still be hearing about the pages in 2050 A.D. :0)

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Anonymous Remailer (austria)

2007-05-25, 7:13 am

On Fri, 25 May 2007 05:01:53 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> (not an) admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> If it's nothing but a meaningless diversion....

Since when is a nice hobby a meaningless diversion? Your inability to do
anything but think in terms of extremes is a symptom of a cognitive
dysfunction.
[vbcol=seagreen]

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

2007-05-25, 1:14 pm

On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:25:38 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

> admin@eelbash.yi.org wrote:
>
>
> You are not alone.
>
> Dingo outed users in the cuban affair.
> Twinky outed a user and even threatened to visit him and beat him up.

I am sorry to hear that. I hope you are mistaken.

>
> Both were still respected remops afterwards.
>
> You just XXXXed it up by calling them psycho.html and repeatedly mucking
> with messages entrusted to your remailer.

Nomen Nescio

2007-05-25, 1:14 pm

In article < edf09cf17118ea702258d81cf23123c8@remaile
r.cyberiade.it>
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer <anonymous@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote:
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> -----BEGIN
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> Bluejay
>

FOAD!

Borked Pseudo Mailed

2007-05-25, 1:14 pm

"Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:

>
> On Fri, 25 May 2007 05:01:53 +0200, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>
> Since when is a nice hobby a meaningless diversion? Your inability to do

I never said it was you philosophistic prat. You're the one that's
repeatedly tried to undermine the importance of maintaining a clear channel
for unfettered speech, in perfect cadence with the severity of the
rump pumping you're enduring as a result of your youngling arrogance and
deviant behavior.

When it's convenient, you're publicly obsessed with the remailer
network and free speech. As in when your arguing the "better for
everyone" angle in support of one of your more asinine ideas. But when
it's pointed out that every thought and action that's been hatched from
your overactive imagination is diametrically opposed to those ideals
all of a sudden it's... "just a hobby".

> anything but think in terms of extremes is a symptom of a cognitive
> dysfunction.

Oh bother, your ACME Truck Driving School psychology diploma