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Mozilla pieces versus Mozilla Suite
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| Doug Chadduck 2005-12-02, 2:46 am |
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Finally broke down a couple weeks ago and downloaded Firefox and
Thunderbird. Newbie and pleased to be here. Guess the only reason I
waited so long is I had to do it on a machine that didn't go on the
internet very often. Mainly used for photos and music. But, movin' on up.
Now I see there is a Mozilla Suite I was not aware of. Is there anything
in the suite that would make it worthwhile redoing things and going that
route? Or is the whole only as good as the parts I've already got?
Sometimes when I read all the selling info and site info it just starts
to sound like bleh bleh bleh. So thought I'd see what thoughts might be
out here.
Mainly curiousity cause, so far, I haven't found anything I wanted to do
that I couldn't do. Thanks Doug
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-02, 2:46 am |
| Doug Chadduck wrote:
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> Finally broke down a couple weeks ago and downloaded Firefox and
> Thunderbird. Newbie and pleased to be here. Guess the only reason I
> waited so long is I had to do it on a machine that didn't go on the
> internet very often. Mainly used for photos and music. But, movin' on up.
>
> Now I see there is a Mozilla Suite I was not aware of. Is there anything
> in the suite that would make it worthwhile redoing things and going that
> route? Or is the whole only as good as the parts I've already got?
> Sometimes when I read all the selling info and site info it just starts
> to sound like bleh bleh bleh. So thought I'd see what thoughts might be
> out here.
>
> Mainly curiousity cause, so far, I haven't found anything I wanted to do
> that I couldn't do. Thanks Doug
Differences between the suite and Firefox/Thunderbird
http://ilias.ca/MozillavsFirefox.html
Its all about choice.
You can go with the suite (Mozilla) or choose Firefox and any other
email program, or go with Thunderbird, and your choice of browser. You
can mix and match to get exactly what you want.
Suite development has been stopped by Mozilla.org directly, but has been
taken up by a private group under the name of SeaMonkey, so further
updates will be forthcoming.
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| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Doug Chadduck wrote:
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> Differences between the suite and Firefox/Thunderbird
> http://ilias.ca/MozillavsFirefox.html
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> Its all about choice.
> You can go with the suite (Mozilla) or choose Firefox and any other
> email program, or go with Thunderbird, and your choice of browser. You
> can mix and match to get exactly what you want.
>
> Suite development has been stopped by Mozilla.org directly, but has been
> taken up by a private group under the name of SeaMonkey, so further
> updates will be forthcoming.
I think that the biggest thing that Moz has over FF is the ability to
have more than one bookmark file, and you can switch between them
easily. I have several, three for my various business activities, one
for my investments, one for all my bookmarklets, one for my geneology,
one for misc stuff, and a few others.
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-02, 7:46 am |
| gwtc wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
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> I think that the biggest thing that Moz has over FF is the ability to
> have more than one bookmark file, and you can switch between them
> easily. I have several, three for my various business activities, one
> for my investments, one for all my bookmarklets, one for my geneology,
> one for misc stuff, and a few others.
There are pros and cons for each product, as I said, its about choice
and whatever 'does the job' best for you and the way you operate.
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| Charani 2005-12-02, 7:46 am |
| On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:37:38 -0800, Doug Chadduck wrote:
> Now I see there is a Mozilla Suite I was not aware of. Is there anything
> in the suite that would make it worthwhile redoing things and going that
> route? Or is the whole only as good as the parts I've already got?
> Sometimes when I read all the selling info and site info it just starts
> to sound like bleh bleh bleh. So thought I'd see what thoughts might be
> out here.
The only thing that Mozilla Suite has which isn't available (AFAIK) in
the component parts is Composer which is used for making web pages. I
can use that where I find others impossible to use.
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| Larry Hazel 2005-12-02, 7:46 am |
| Charani wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:37:38 -0800, Doug Chadduck wrote:
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> The only thing that Mozilla Suite has which isn't available (AFAIK) in
> the component parts is Composer which is used for making web pages. I
> can use that where I find others impossible to use.
Also, you must bring up TB to check for email or leave TB running all
the time. I wish Firefox would periodically check for new email.
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| Once upon a time *Larry Hazel* wrote:
> Charani wrote:
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> Also, you must bring up TB to check for email or leave TB running all
> the time. I wish Firefox would periodically check for new email.
Firefox is only a browser, so how could it check for new mail? 
That's just one of many reasons I prefer Mozilla Suite over Ff/Tb. When
the browser is open, the mail app is also running in the background (and
vice versa) and can check for new mail, and give an "alert icon" when
new mail arrives. But I can also open the the mail app separately if I
wish to do so. However, most of the time I have both open anyway.
--
/Arne
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| Larry Hazel wrote:
> Charani wrote:
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> Also, you must bring up TB to check for email or leave TB running all
> the time. I wish Firefox would periodically check for new email.
How can FF check for mail when its a browser only.
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| Larry Hazel 2005-12-02, 5:47 pm |
| gwtc wrote:
> Larry Hazel wrote:
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> How can FF check for mail when its a browser only.
It would take a bit of extra code, but shouldn't be too difficult.
Especially if TB is the mail client. It just needs to check if there is
any. It wouldn't need to process the mail in any way.
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| Larry Hazel wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
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> It would take a bit of extra code, but shouldn't be too difficult.
> Especially if TB is the mail client. It just needs to check if there is
> any. It wouldn't need to process the mail in any way.
if thats all it takes, then why don't you develop an extension for it?
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| Jedi Fans 2005-12-02, 5:47 pm |
| On 02/12/05 10:27, Charani scribbled:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:37:38 -0800, Doug Chadduck wrote:
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>
> The only thing that Mozilla Suite has which isn't available (AFAIK) in
> the component parts is Composer which is used for making web pages. I
> can use that where I find others impossible to use.
NVU is the continuation of the Composer <http://nvu.com/>
--
Hope This Helped and MTFBWY...
Kieren aka JediFans - <URL:http://jedifans.com/>
The Force Is With Me, SUSE Linux 10.0, Mozilla Firefox 1.5 RC2,
Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 RC1 and Revenge Of The Sith!
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| Ralph Fox 2005-12-02, 5:47 pm |
| On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:54:55 -0600, in message
_<37_jf.12$Dh6.554@eagle.america.net>, Larry Hazel wrote:
> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716)
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> gwtc wrote:
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> It would take a bit of extra code, but shouldn't be too difficult.
> Especially if TB is the mail client. It just needs to check if there is
> any. It wouldn't need to process the mail in any way.
There are stand-alone notifiers which will do this.
Use one of these. Then you won't even need Firefox running.
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| Ralph Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:54:55 -0600, in message
> <37_jf.12$Dh6.554@eagle.america.net>, Larry Hazel wrote:
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> There are stand-alone notifiers which will do this.
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> Use one of these. Then you won't even need Firefox running.
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how about recommending some and telling us where to get them. Thanks
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| Larry Hazel 2005-12-02, 8:46 pm |
| gwtc wrote:
> Larry Hazel wrote:
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> if thats all it takes, then why don't you develop an extension for it?
I try to stay above C level
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-03, 2:46 am |
| gwtc wrote:
> Ralph Fox wrote:
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> how about recommending some and telling us where to get them. Thanks
gwtc, you surely have heard me recommend Poptray before. ;)
www.poptray.org
It sits in the systray and checks mail on selected accounts at a user
specified interval. It has a white/black list feature, and can also run
custom filters to delete spam from the server before it even hits the
inbox of your mail ap.
I can't imagine email without it. The only drawback is its Windows only.
I would love to learn of Mac and Linux equivalents.
Lee
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| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
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> gwtc, you surely have heard me recommend Poptray before. ;)
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> www.poptray.org
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> It sits in the systray and checks mail on selected accounts at a user
> specified interval. It has a white/black list feature, and can also run
> custom filters to delete spam from the server before it even hits the
> inbox of your mail ap.
>
> I can't imagine email without it. The only drawback is its Windows only.
> I would love to learn of Mac and Linux equivalents.
>
> Lee
Yes, thanks Lee, but I wanted Fox to tell me about his.
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-03, 2:46 am |
| gwtc wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
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> Yes, thanks Lee, but I wanted Fox to tell me about his.
I am interested in that as well, particularly any that work on OSX or
Linux.
Lee
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| Doug Chadduck 2005-12-03, 2:46 am |
| OP here
Thanks for the discussion. Picked up a couple tips.
It doesn't look like I'm missing anything I want by leaving things
piecemeal. Only thing I could think of would be the ability to open FF
from Thunderbird. Can hit "read mail" when I'm in FF, and that opens
Thunderbird, but can only get to FF, from Thunderbird, if Ihave a URL in
an e-mail etc. Else I have to open FF from scratch. Maybe 1.85 extra
seconds of energy. Dang. Guess some things just have to be worked for.
Grin Thanks
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| Charani 2005-12-03, 7:45 am |
| On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:40:11 +0000, Jedi Fans strolled in and
announced:
> NVU is the continuation of the Composer <http://nvu.com/>
Many thanks for that )
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-03, 7:45 am |
| Charani wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:37:38 -0800, Doug Chadduck wrote:
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> The only thing that Mozilla Suite has which isn't available (AFAIK) in
> the component parts is Composer which is used for making web pages. I
> can use that where I find others impossible to use.
its available, right here
http://www.nvu.com/
Nvu is simply the Mozilla suite Composer module re-done as a standalone
product (its been added to and enhanced as well)
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-03, 7:45 am |
| Arne wrote:
> Once upon a time *Larry Hazel* wrote:
>
>
>
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> Firefox is only a browser, so how could it check for new mail?
>
> That's just one of many reasons I prefer Mozilla Suite over Ff/Tb. When
> the browser is open, the mail app is also running in the background (and
> vice versa) and can check for new mail, and give an "alert icon" when
> new mail arrives. But I can also open the the mail app separately if I
> wish to do so. However, most of the time I have both open anyway.
>
?? I simply leave TB running in the background, it automatically checks
for mail, even when I am using Firefox. Its hard to miss the bouncing
icon from the dock that tells me new mail is available in Thunderbird,
no matter what I am doing in Firefox.
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-03, 7:45 am |
| Larry Hazel wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
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> I try to stay above C level
Why not just leave Thunderbird running in the background?
Then you have indication of mail AND the capilbility to READ it
available at a moments notice.
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-03, 7:45 am |
| Doug Chadduck wrote:
> OP here
>
> Thanks for the discussion. Picked up a couple tips.
> It doesn't look like I'm missing anything I want by leaving things
> piecemeal. Only thing I could think of would be the ability to open FF
> from Thunderbird. Can hit "read mail" when I'm in FF, and that opens
> Thunderbird, but can only get to FF, from Thunderbird, if Ihave a URL in
> an e-mail etc. Else I have to open FF from scratch. Maybe 1.85 extra
> seconds of energy. Dang. Guess some things just have to be worked for.
>
> Grin Thanks
Set Firefox as your default browser in the system.
Then if you click on a url in Thunderbird, it opens Firefox for you.
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| gwtc wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
> I think that the biggest thing that Moz has over FF is the ability
> to have more than one bookmark file, and you can switch between them
> easily. I have several, three for my various business activities,
> one for my investments, one for all my bookmarklets, one for my
> geneology, one for misc stuff, and a few others.
Have you thought of having a bookmark to keep track of
your other bookmarks :-)
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| ar@x wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
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> Have you thought of having a bookmark to keep track of
> your other bookmarks :-)
>
>
If I combine all my bookmarks, then I would be over the 2 meg mark.
That is why I've broken them down in smaller pieces. And Moz lets be
switch between them without a problem.
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| Doug Chadduck 2005-12-03, 5:46 pm |
| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Doug Chadduck wrote:
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> Set Firefox as your default browser in the system.
> Then if you click on a url in Thunderbird, it opens Firefox for you.
Default is set. But only works IF you have a URL in an e-mail in TB.
Unless I'm completely missing something. If you finish your mail and
just want to go browse a while then there's that extra 1.85 seconds of
manual labor.
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| Jedi Fans 2005-12-03, 5:46 pm |
| On 03/12/05 10:44, Charani scribbled:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:40:11 +0000, Jedi Fans strolled in and
> announced:
>
>
> Many thanks for that )
nps ;D
--
Hope This Helped and MTFBWY...
Kieren aka JediFans - <URL:http://jedifans.com/>
The Force Is With Me, SUSE Linux 10.0, Mozilla Firefox 1.5 RC2,
Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 RC1 and Revenge Of The Sith!
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-03, 5:46 pm |
| Doug Chadduck wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
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> Default is set. But only works IF you have a URL in an e-mail in TB.
> Unless I'm completely missing something. If you finish your mail and
> just want to go browse a while then there's that extra 1.85 seconds of
> manual labor.
If you have the quick launch bar enabled, and place a Firefox shortcut
there, it is always available, even if TB is open and maximized. From
here thats every but as effective as having a button to open FF from TB.
Coving the mouse to the FF icon and clicking it is not even a second.
Lee
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-03, 8:45 pm |
| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> gwtc wrote:
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> On the mac, its just as simple as leaving Thunderbird running in the
> background. You can even minimize the program to the dock and it STILL
> gives you an indication when new mail has arrived. One mouse swipe, one
> click, and TB is back up with the new mail already downloaded. Heck it
> even works when the computer is in Screensaver mode.
>
> Why would someone want yet another piece of software to do what the
> program will do for you anyway?
Hi Dan, thanks for lending your Mac expertise.
I did set TB to check messages every five minutes, though i do not want
it to download immediately.
After the specified time, I heard the system alert, and a green circle
appeared on the TB icon in the Dock, telling me there were message, 8 to
be exact.
As basic mail notification, this is great. However, Poptray on Windows
tells me exactly which accounts have mail, and displays subject and
sender. It allows me to preview the message on the server, without
downloading it. It also allows me to delete obviously unwanted messages,
and to run custom filters to delete unwanted messages before I am even
bothered with them.
What I would really like to find would this extended functionality for
Macs and Linux computers.
Lee
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| Charani 2005-12-04, 7:45 am |
| On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:06:32 GMT, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
> its available, right here
> http://www.nvu.com/
>
> Nvu is simply the Mozilla suite Composer module re-done as a standalone
> product (its been added to and enhanced as well)
Thank you )
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-06, 8:46 pm |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dan, thanks for lending your Mac expertise.
>
> I did set TB to check messages every five minutes, though i do not want
> it to download immediately.
>
> After the specified time, I heard the system alert, and a green circle
> appeared on the TB icon in the Dock, telling me there were message, 8 to
> be exact.
>
> As basic mail notification, this is great. However, Poptray on Windows
> tells me exactly which accounts have mail, and displays subject and
> sender. It allows me to preview the message on the server, without
> downloading it. It also allows me to delete obviously unwanted messages,
> and to run custom filters to delete unwanted messages before I am even
> bothered with them.
>
> What I would really like to find would this extended functionality for
> Macs and Linux computers.
>
> Lee
Hmmm, okay, that goes beyond mere notification. What you want is
something that notifies you, allows you to view on server (preview) and
delete prior to downloading as well. Lets see what we can find...
Hmmm, a seperate program called Mail Beacon does all that, tho its not
an 'add-on' for Thunderbird or Mozilla specifically
http://www.bainsware.com/mb/
shareware, not freeware.
Mail Call perhaps?
http://www.ekimsw.com/mailcall/index.html
again shareware, not freeware
Mail Siphon?
http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailsiphon.html
more shareware, not freeware
Mail Watcher
http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailwatcher.html
shareware
Mail Toolbox (combination of Mail Siphon & Mail Watcher)
http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailtoolbox.html
shareware again
PopFile?
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
free!
but is an afterdownload application, not a pre-download as you
requested, indication may not be as you wished either
PopMonitor?
http://www.vechtwijk.nl/dev/popmonitor/
shareware
Basic reviews and links to all the above can be found at
http://www.macorchard.com/email/
The macorchard site is a handy tool/site for finding out whats available
mac wise. Cant help you with Linux applications/extensions tho
I cant find a direct equivelent of Poptray for Windows, but combinations
of the above may do the job. As noted, most are shareware tho
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-06, 8:46 pm |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Doug Chadduck wrote:
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>
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> If you have the quick launch bar enabled, and place a Firefox shortcut
> there, it is always available, even if TB is open and maximized. From
> here thats every but as effective as having a button to open FF from TB.
>
> Coving the mouse to the FF icon and clicking it is not even a second.
>
> Lee
The Mac system gives you one
Apple-->Recent Applications-->Firefox
<POOF> Firefox is opened
But thats a mac thing and not really applicable to windows I suppose
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-06, 8:46 pm |
| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
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>
>
> The Mac system gives you one
> Apple-->Recent Applications-->Firefox
> <POOF> Firefox is opened
> But thats a mac thing and not really applicable to windows I suppose
Thanks Dan!
You should give me Mac lessons!
Lee
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| Leonidas Jones 2005-12-06, 8:46 pm |
| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
>
>
> Hmmm, okay, that goes beyond mere notification. What you want is
> something that notifies you, allows you to view on server (preview) and
> delete prior to downloading as well. Lets see what we can find...
>
> Hmmm, a seperate program called Mail Beacon does all that, tho its not
> an 'add-on' for Thunderbird or Mozilla specifically
> http://www.bainsware.com/mb/
> shareware, not freeware.
>
> Mail Call perhaps?
> http://www.ekimsw.com/mailcall/index.html
> again shareware, not freeware
>
> Mail Siphon?
> http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailsiphon.html
> more shareware, not freeware
> Mail Watcher
> http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailwatcher.html
> shareware
> Mail Toolbox (combination of Mail Siphon & Mail Watcher)
> http://maliasoft.appeule.com/us/mailtoolbox.html
> shareware again
>
> PopFile?
> http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
> free!
> but is an afterdownload application, not a pre-download as you
> requested, indication may not be as you wished either
> PopMonitor?
> http://www.vechtwijk.nl/dev/popmonitor/
> shareware
>
> Basic reviews and links to all the above can be found at
> http://www.macorchard.com/email/
> The macorchard site is a handy tool/site for finding out whats available
> mac wise. Cant help you with Linux applications/extensions tho
>
> I cant find a direct equivelent of Poptray for Windows, but combinations
> of the above may do the job. As noted, most are shareware tho
Its good to ask the right people! ;)
Mail Beacon looks like a winner, from the description. At a $15
license, I think I can handle that, particularly with a 30 day free
trial to make sure it works as advertised.
I'm saving your post in case I need to investigate other options.
One of the few drawbacks I find to the Mac is the lack of the kinds of
freeware I can find for a PC. I guess I'm too fond of mooching!
Lee
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| Moz Champion (Dan) 2005-12-07, 2:46 am |
| gwtc wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
>
> I think that the biggest thing that Moz has over FF is the ability to
> have more than one bookmark file, and you can switch between them
> easily. I have several, three for my various business activities, one
> for my investments, one for all my bookmarklets, one for my geneology,
> one for misc stuff, and a few others.
As I said, its about choice. What is important to you may not be as
important to the next person, just as what is important to them may not
appear to you in the same fashion.
Personally I find the bookmark folders available in Firefox quite
sufficient for my needs, giving me ample space to group bookmarks
together for various activities. Of course your experience may be
otherwise. The beauty of the products is that they accommadate either,
dependent on which you choose.
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| Garbage 2006-02-12, 2:45 am |
| Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> Doug Chadduck wrote:
>
> Differences between the suite and Firefox/Thunderbird
> http://ilias.ca/MozillavsFirefox.html
>
> Its all about choice.
> You can go with the suite (Mozilla) or choose Firefox and any other
> email program, or go with Thunderbird, and your choice of browser. You
> can mix and match to get exactly what you want.
>
> Suite development has been stopped by Mozilla.org directly, but has been
> taken up by a private group under the name of SeaMonkey, so further
> updates will be forthcoming.
The linked page is slightly out if date.
I just installed latest FF, TB & Seamonkey 1.0 & I would say the
Seamonkey is functionally virtually identical to FF+TB but uses less ram
& contains chat, html editor, calendar as well.
Some folks prefer FF+TB as separate apps & some prefer the 'suite'.
Download & try them out & decide for yourself, either is good.
* BTW many plugins for FF work fine in SM also.
--
C'ya
garbage
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| Garbage 2006-02-12, 2:45 am |
| Jedi Fans wrote:
> On 02/12/05 10:27, Charani scribbled:
> NVU is the continuation of the Composer <http://nvu.com/>
>
btw how does Nvu 1.0 compare to Composer in Seamonkey?
One thing I notice is that nvu is a huge 6729kb download whereas the
whole seamonkey suite (including composer etc) compares favorably to the
combined file sizes of FF & TB alone.
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| Garbage wrote:
> Jedi Fans wrote:
>
>
> btw how does Nvu 1.0 compare to Composer in Seamonkey?
>
> One thing I notice is that nvu is a huge 6729kb download whereas the
> whole seamonkey suite (including composer etc) compares favorably to the
> combined file sizes of FF & TB alone.
NVU is a separate application and picks up where Composer left off.
Its got more bells and whistles. Its rumoured that they might
intergrate NVU into SM and replace Composer
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| Leonidas Jones 2006-02-12, 5:46 pm |
| Garbage wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>
> The linked page is slightly out if date.
That's not surprising, this discussion took place over two months ago. ;)
Lee
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