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| Skeeter 2007-12-01, 7:13 pm |
| Question: I have it set to check mail every 5 minutes. I thought it
would check and show I had mail even with the mail program closed.
Outlook is that way. You have to have it minimized on the task bar
for it to show mail as it arrives. I just want to know if it is just me
or is that the way Thunderbird works.
Thanks.
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| Ed Mullen 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Skeeter wrote:
> Question: I have it set to check mail every 5 minutes. I thought it
> would check and show I had mail even with the mail program closed.
> Outlook is that way. You have to have it minimized on the task bar
> for it to show mail as it arrives.
If Tbird is truly closed, not just minimized to the task bar, it is not
running, it is removed from memory, it is not executing. So, it cannot
possibly do anything.
I don't know about Outlook or Outlook Express. When you click the
"close" "x" in the upper right corner of their window it is possible
they leave behind a fragment of running code, some process that checks
for mail and alerts you.
If you minimize Tbird to the task bar it will stay running, in memory,
and it will check your mail and notify you.
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Ed Mullen wrote:
> Skeeter wrote:
>
> If Tbird is truly closed, not just minimized to the task bar, it is not
> running, it is removed from memory, it is not executing. So, it cannot
> possibly do anything.
>
> I don't know about Outlook or Outlook Express. When you click the
> "close" "x" in the upper right corner of their window it is possible
> they leave behind a fragment of running code, some process that checks
> for mail and alerts you.
>
> If you minimize Tbird to the task bar it will stay running, in memory,
> and it will check your mail and notify you.
>
For a full featured notifier, which runs independently of any email
client, take a look at POPtray{
http://poptray.org
(Hi Ed!)
Lee
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| Justin 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Skeeter wrote on [Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:47:31 -0800]:
> Question: I have it set to check mail every 5 minutes. I thought it
> would check and show I had mail even with the mail program closed.
> Outlook is that way. You have to have it minimized on the task bar
> for it to show mail as it arrives. I just want to know if it is just me
> or is that the way Thunderbird works.
Outlook is NOT that way. If Outlook is closed it won't do anything. If
however, you thought you closed it it keeps running in the background,
which is a bad practice. It should exit when you tell it to.
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| Ed Mullen 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
> For a full featured notifier, which runs independently of any email
> client, take a look at POPtray{
>
> http://poptray.org
>
> (Hi Ed!)
>
> Lee
>
Hey, Lee! What? You been out doing Revolutionary re-enactments or
something? Or maybe a really heavy orchestral schedule? ;-)
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| Ed Mullen 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
> Civil War, actually, orchestra, yes, but a lot of the new netscape apps,
> testing and support.
>
> Lee
>
Oh! That's right. I read that you were pretty heavily into the latest
Netscape software. I am clueless about that. How's it going? Should I care?
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Ed Mullen wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
/snip/[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Before I dive into yet another pit which could be a morass, anything I
> should read or know? And, truly curious, why do you favor this
> combination of two separate apps over SeaMonkey? If you do. Advantages?
> Pitfalls?
>
My primary reason for favoring them over SeaMonkey would be the RSS
support in Messenger. I find it most useful to be able to read mail,
newsgroups and rss feeds within one application. SeaMonkey will be able
to do that, but not yet.
Navigator is basically Firefox, but with some interesting additions. You
might be intrigued with the mini-browser in the sidebar, for example.
Another sidebar feature is the LinkPad, which allows you to save url's
temporarily in a session, without bookmarking them.
There are some smaller features, sch as a restart Navigator option in he
File menu.
Here is the NS page describing the features:
http://browser.netscape.com/whatsnew/9/
Messenger is in a alpha stage. Since its based on TB 2.0, its a very
usable client as is, but has more limited netscape specific features.
There will be more to come.
Then, its Netscape. I just have an old nostalgic feeling about seeing
Netscape in the menubar.
Given my choice, I wish it were a SeaMonkey based suite, but I am hoping
to see a tighter integration between the apps, making them behave more
like a suite
Let it be known, I still have SeaMonkey installed, and my wife uses it
as her everyday internet application. I have not given up on the suite
model by a long shot!
Lee
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| Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo 2007-12-02, 1:15 am |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
> /snip/
>
> My primary reason for favoring them over SeaMonkey would be the RSS
> support in Messenger. I find it most useful to be able to read mail,
> newsgroups and rss feeds within one application. SeaMonkey will be able
> to do that, but not yet.
if you want rss then you'd have to install sage and
xsidebar: http://users.skynet.be/fa258499/extensions.html
or you can get away with multizilla:
http://multizilla.mozdev.org/, but that has a ton of other
stuff included.
>
> Navigator is basically Firefox, but with some interesting additions. You
> might be intrigued with the mini-browser in the sidebar, for example.
>
> Another sidebar feature is the LinkPad, which allows you to save url's
> temporarily in a session, without bookmarking them.
> There are some smaller features, sch as a restart Navigator option in he
> File menu.
>
> Here is the NS page describing the features:
>
> http://browser.netscape.com/whatsnew/9/
>
> Messenger is in a alpha stage. Since its based on TB 2.0, its a very
> usable client as is, but has more limited netscape specific features.
> There will be more to come.
>
> Then, its Netscape. I just have an old nostalgic feeling about seeing
> netscape in the menubar.
>
> Given my choice, I wish it were a SeaMonkey based suite, but I am hoping
> to see a tighter integration between the apps, making them behave more
> like a suite
>
> Let it be known, I still have SeaMonkey installed, and my wife uses it
> as her everyday internet application. I have not given up on the suite
> model by a long shot!
>
> Lee
>
boy, its sure nice not having someone tell us to take it
somewhere else. ;-)
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| Ed Mullen 2007-12-02, 1:14 pm |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
> /snip/
>
> My primary reason for favoring them over SeaMonkey would be the RSS
> support in Messenger. I find it most useful to be able to read mail,
> newsgroups and rss feeds within one application. SeaMonkey will be able
> to do that, but not yet.
>
> Navigator is basically Firefox, but with some interesting additions. You
> might be intrigued with the mini-browser in the sidebar, for example.
>
> Another sidebar feature is the LinkPad, which allows you to save url's
> temporarily in a session, without bookmarking them.
> There are some smaller features, sch as a restart Navigator option in he
> File menu.
>
> Here is the NS page describing the features:
>
> http://browser.netscape.com/whatsnew/9/
>
> Messenger is in a alpha stage. Since its based on TB 2.0, its a very
> usable client as is, but has more limited netscape specific features.
> There will be more to come.
>
> Then, its Netscape. I just have an old nostalgic feeling about seeing
> netscape in the menubar.
<G> I totally understand. I've been using NS/Moz/SM since 1995. Kind
of like your favorite drink - you try other things from time to time but
wind up going back to the original.
> Given my choice, I wish it were a SeaMonkey based suite, but I am hoping
> to see a tighter integration between the apps, making them behave more
> like a suite
>
> Let it be known, I still have SeaMonkey installed, and my wife uses it
> as her everyday internet application. I have not given up on the suite
> model by a long shot!
>
> Lee
>
Thanks for the rundown, Lee. It does sound intriguing. I'll have to
check them out.
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endangered plants?
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-02, 7:13 pm |
| Ed Mullen wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
>
> What are the newsgroups for these apps, Lee?
>
They are at secnews, but there isn't much traffic there. Most of the
support discussion comes in at the netscape Community Forums.
A lot of the old gang still looks in on secnews, when someone does post
a question there, you'll often get four of five answers.
Lee
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-02, 7:13 pm |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
> They are at secnews, but there isn't much traffic there. Most of the
> support discussion comes in at the netscape Community Forums.
>
> A lot of the old gang still looks in on secnews, when someone does post
> a question there, you'll often get four of five answers.
>
> Lee
>
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape7.windows
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape8.windows
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.linux
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.mac
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.windows
No group has been established for Messenger yet.
Lee
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| Ed Mullen 2007-12-03, 1:14 am |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
>
> snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape7.windows
> snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape8.windows
> snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.linux
> snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.mac
> snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.netscape9.windows
>
> No group has been established for Messenger yet.
Thanks. That does seem to be the way of the world these days: Us old
timers who like Usenet and its newsgroup format vs. the, uh, "less
mature" who prefer the Web-based forum type of interface. :-)
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-03, 1:14 am |
| Ed Mullen wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
> Thanks. That does seem to be the way of the world these days: Us old
> timers who like Usenet and its newsgroup format vs. the, uh, "less
> mature" who prefer the Web-based forum type of interface. :-)
>
The number of ISP's who no longer offer newsgroup access is testament to
that. Its a darn shame, newsgroups are the ideal support medium.
Lee
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| Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo 2007-12-03, 1:12 pm |
| Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Well, I've been procrastinating at opeing the mozilla.support groups. I
> suppose I'll get to it, but I'm not in any real hurry. ;)
don't even bother. Its getting out of hand in the support
groups, and the Head Spam Cop must be pulling his hair out
by now because of all this. There's name calling, flaming,
foul language, gang banging, trolling, and lots of others
[and thats just in todays TB group]. Atleast, when I do it,
I try to get it into the general group, but the others won't
follow suit, they change it back to the support groups and
continue it there.
I have all but stopped providing support in the FF and TB
groups. I only help with maybe one or two questions in those
groups, and thats it. I only stick with the SM one, but now
there's a nasty troll in there, too. I also try to help in
this group, the old netscape.public groups, and on the
secnews server.
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| Leonidas Jones 2007-12-03, 1:12 pm |
| Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
> don't even bother. Its getting out of hand in the support groups, and
> the Head Spam Cop must be pulling his hair out by now because of all
> this. There's name calling, flaming, foul language, gang banging,
> trolling, and lots of others [and thats just in todays TB group].
> Atleast, when I do it, I try to get it into the general group, but the
> others won't follow suit, they change it back to the support groups and
> continue it there.
>
> I have all but stopped providing support in the FF and TB groups. I only
> help with maybe one or two questions in those groups, and thats it. I
> only stick with the SM one, but now there's a nasty troll in there,
> too. I also try to help in this group, the old netscape.public groups,
> and on the secnews server.
>
Sorry to hear it, but I'm not really surprised. Ah well, at least we
have alternatives.
Lee
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| Mailman@castlemaine.net.au 2007-12-13, 7:12 pm |
| On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:40:14 GMT, Leonidas Jones <Cap1MD@att.net>
wrote:
>Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>The number of ISP's who no longer offer newsgroup access is testament to
>that. Its a darn shame, newsgroups are the ideal support medium.
I agree with that
>Lee
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