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Apache 1.x logs

Ken McLeod

2005-05-19, 5:45 pm

Hello,

I am having trouble with Apache on NW6SP4 where access logs
get too large ... I understand there is no way to rotate
logs in this version of Apache.

If this is correct, is there any upgrade from 1.x for NW6?
Or is the answer to upgrad to NW6.5 to get the ability to
rotate logs?

Thx,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-19, 5:45 pm

Ken McLeod,
> I understand there is no way to rotate
> logs in this version of Apache.

Sure is. There is a rotate log directive in httpd.conf, just enable it

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-19, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks very much.

I don't find such a directive in the httpd.conf file in this install,
though.(I thought that Apache on Netware used adminserv.conf?)

I did find the man page for "rotatelogs" at apache.org which is implemented
as:

TransferLog "|rotatelogs /path/to/logs/access_log 86400"

Is this what you mean? If so, can you say where I insert the directive? For
each virtual host definition? Just once?

Any help much appreciated.

TIA,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Ken McLeod,
>
> Sure is. There is a rotate log directive in httpd.conf, just enable it
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-20, 2:45 am

Ken McLeod,
> TransferLog "|rotatelogs /path/to/logs/access_log 86400"
>
> Is this what you mean? If so, can you say where I insert the directive? For
> each virtual host definition? Just once?
>
No this is not it. That is the standard procedure on *nix, ie to pie to a
filter. That is alos what is jused on Apache2. On Apace 1.x on NetWare.
Apache on NW 6 uses adminserv.conf, but the heavily commented httpd.conf is
included as documentation:

LogLevel warn

#
# The following directives define some format nicknames for use with
# a CustomLog directive (see below).
#
LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\""
combined
LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common
LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer
LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent

#
# The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format).
# If you do not define any access logfiles within a <VirtualHost>
# container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do*
# define per-<VirtualHost> access logfiles, transactions will be
# logged therein and *not* in this file.
#
CustomLog logs/access_log common
#CustomLog logs/access_log combined

#
# LogRotateDaily: If set to 'on' logfiles rotate daily.
# LogRotateInterval s: If set, logfiles rotate after s seconds.
# The LogRotateDaily and LogRotateInterval directives are mutually
# exclusive. The rotated log file name adds the date suffix of
# YYYYMMDD to identify when the log was rotated.
#
LogRotateDaily on
# Every third hour
# LogRotateInterval 180

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-20, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks very much. The "LogRotateDaily" directive does not appear in the
httpd.conf on my install. Go figure! <g>

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:
> Ken McLeod,
>
>
> No this is not it. That is the standard procedure on *nix, ie to pie to a
> filter. That is alos what is jused on Apache2. On Apace 1.x on NetWare.
> Apache on NW 6 uses adminserv.conf, but the heavily commented httpd.conf is
> included as documentation:
>
> LogLevel warn
>
> #
> # The following directives define some format nicknames for use with
> # a CustomLog directive (see below).
> #
> LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\""
> combined
> LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common
> LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer
> LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent
>
> #
> # The location and format of the access logfile (Common Logfile Format).
> # If you do not define any access logfiles within a <VirtualHost>
> # container, they will be logged here. Contrariwise, if you *do*
> # define per-<VirtualHost> access logfiles, transactions will be
> # logged therein and *not* in this file.
> #
> CustomLog logs/access_log common
> #CustomLog logs/access_log combined
>
> #
> # LogRotateDaily: If set to 'on' logfiles rotate daily.
> # LogRotateInterval s: If set, logfiles rotate after s seconds.
> # The LogRotateDaily and LogRotateInterval directives are mutually
> # exclusive. The rotated log file name adds the date suffix of
> # YYYYMMDD to identify when the log was rotated.
> #
> LogRotateDaily on
> # Every third hour
> # LogRotateInterval 180
>
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
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>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195
>

--
Ken McLeod
The Delphian School
http://www.delphian.org

Ken McLeod

2005-05-20, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Any idea why apache would not start with this option turned on? When I
turn on the option in adminserv.conf as follows:

LogLevel warn
LogFormat "%v %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\"
\"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined
LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common
LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer
LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent

# Uncomment the following line to turn on access logging
CustomLog logs/access_log combined

# Rotate logs daily
LogRotateDaily on

###

What happens when I try and load (NVXADMUP.NCF)is that logger screen
shows everything loaded ok, but "modules ap*" does not find APACHE.NLM.

As soon as I comment out the logrotatedaily directive, it all loads fine.

Cheers,
Ken

Ken McLeod wrote:
> Hi Anders,
>
> Thanks very much. The "LogRotateDaily" directive does not appear in the
> httpd.conf on my install. Go figure! <g>
>
> Cheers,
> Ken
>
> Anders Gustafsson wrote:
>
>

--
Ken McLeod
The Delphian School
http://www.delphian.org

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-21, 2:45 am

Ken McLeod,
> Any idea why apache would not start with this option turned on?

Then you must have a very old version of Apache or a broken Compile.
IIRC was one of the 1.3.2x versions broken. Sorry that I forgot to ask
what version you are running, but do this:

1. Make a backup of all NLMs in sys:apache and sys:apache/modules
2. Download the latest uniprocessor 1.3.x build from www.apache.org,
should be 1.3.3something.
3. Expand the zip not a local drive
4. Copy the NLMs (just the NLMs) from apache to sys:apache and
apache/modules to sys:apache/modules
5. Restart apache

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-21, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks -- I had wondered about that possibility and downloaded the latest
1.3 version: 1.3.33. There was an "upgrade zip" which was pretty much just
the NLMs.

I backed up the entire apache folder, copied the upgrade files over the
apache folder and started it up. It still behaves the same way, ie, it
appears to load but doesn't until I comment out the logrotate directive.

When I start it, modules reports:

Version 1.03 October 29, 2004

This is still the same version I had before, but the date is much later.

In the past I've tried upgrading to apache 2 on NW6, but that doesn't work
at all.

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Ken McLeod,
>
> Then you must have a very old version of Apache or a broken Compile.
> IIRC was one of the 1.3.2x versions broken. Sorry that I forgot to ask
> what version you are running, but do this:
>
> 1. Make a backup of all NLMs in sys:apache and sys:apache/modules
> 2. Download the latest uniprocessor 1.3.x build from www.apache.org,
> should be 1.3.3something.
> 3. Expand the zip not a local drive
> 4. Copy the NLMs (just the NLMs) from apache to sys:apache and
> apache/modules to sys:apache/modules
> 5. Restart apache
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-21, 5:45 pm

Ken McLeod,
> I backed up the entire apache folder, copied the upgrade files over the
> apache folder and started it up. It still behaves the same way, ie, it
> appears to load but doesn't until I comment out the logrotate directive.
>
> When I start it, modules reports:
>
> Version 1.03 October 29, 2004

They all do. It is a quirk in NW. Only shows the first and second digits.
Watch the apche screen as it loads to see the full version. Or hit someting
nonexisting to get a 404..

> This is still the same version I had before, but the date is much later.
>
> In the past I've tried upgrading to apache 2 on NW6, but that doesn't work
> at all.

You cannot easily. Better leave the adminserver at 1.3. You can load Apache2
as another instance if you like.

I take it the logs rotate now?

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-22, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks. No -- with the logrotate directive, apache will not load, even with the
upgrade.

The behavior is the same: it appears to load, screen messages report load [OK],
but MODULES AP* shows not apache modules loaded and the site is inaccessible.

-- Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Ken McLeod,
>
> They all do. It is a quirk in NW. Only shows the first and second digits.
> Watch the apche screen as it loads to see the full version. Or hit someting
> nonexisting to get a 404..
>
>
> You cannot easily. Better leave the adminserver at 1.3. You can load Apache2
> as another instance if you like.
>
> I take it the logs rotate now?
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-22, 5:45 pm

Ken McLeod,
> Thanks. No -- with the logrotate directive, apache will not load, even with the
> upgrade.

Are you 100% sure that you are running the latest, 1.3.3x? I know that ir works
for me.

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-22, 5:45 pm

Also: Watch the logger screen as it loads.

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-22, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks. MODULES reports the correct date for the APACHE module:

APACHEC.NLM
Loaded from [SYS:\APACHE\]
(Address Space = OS)
Apache Core
Version 1.03 October 29, 2004
Copyright (c) 2000-2004 The Apache Software Foundation. All
rights reserved.
APACHE.NLM
Loaded from [SYS:\APACHE\]
(Address Space = OS)
Apache Web Server
Version 1.03 October 29, 2004
Copyright (c) 2000-2004 The Apache Software Foundation. All
rights reserved.

(The date matches the date of the NLM file in the update pack.)

This is apparently version 1.3.33 -- I thought there might be a
1.3.4 but couldn't find it. Would you mind looking to see what
version you are running? How does the date comapre with this?

As mentioned, with "logrotatedaily on" apache does not load,
but only appears to do so:

>SHERIDAN_5:nvxadmup
>Loading Module
APACHE.NLM [ OK
]
> Auto-Loading Module
APACHEC.NLM [ OK ]
>
>Loading Module
MOD_LCGI.NLM [ OK
]
>Loading Module
MOD_NDS.NLM [ OK
]
>Loading Module
MOD_TLS.NLM [ OK
]
>Loading Module
MOD_JK.NLM [ OK
]
>Loading Module
MOD_PHP.NLM [ OK
]
>SHERIDAN_5:modules ap*
>SHERIDAN_5:
>SHERIDAN_5:nvxadmdn
>Module APACHE is NOT loaded
>Module MDBLIB is NOT loaded
>SHERIDAN_5:

The logger screen is gone by before I can look at it, however,
it just says everything loaded ok when I scroll it back. The
console screen is as above.

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Also: Watch the logger screen as it loads.
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-22, 5:45 pm

Ken McLeod,
> As mentioned, with "logrotatedaily on" apache does not load,
> but only appears to do so:
>
And you have put it in the right place?? Use the httpd.conf in the
zipfile as a template. Another option is to rename your httpd.conf,
copy in the one from the ZIP and then just load APACHE. In that case it
will read httpd.conf and not adminserv.conf

Anything in the apache error log? (Under logs)

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-23, 2:45 am

Hi Anders,

I guess you forgot the attachment. I tried to send my amdinserv.conf file
(zipped) but the ng doesn't allow it any more, apparently.

Here is a part of the adminserv.conf file where the directive is:

#---------------------
ServerType standalone
ServerRoot "sys:/apache"
PidFile logs/httpd.pid
ScoreBoardFile logs/apache_status
Timeout 300
KeepAlive On
MaxKeepAliveRequests 100
KeepAliveTimeout 15
ThreadsPerChild 50
ThreadStackSize 81920
MaxRequestsPerChild 0
LoadModule lcgi_module modules/mod_lcgi.nlm
LoadModule nds_auth_module modules/mod_nds.nlm
LoadModule tls_module modules/mod_tls.nlm
ServerAdmin admin@delphian.org
ServerName smaug.delphian.org

# Start Apache Services Port Configuration
Port 80
Listen 192.168.1.14:80
<IfModule mod_tls.c>
SecureListen 192.168.1.14:443 "DNS AG smaug.delphian.org"
</IfModule>
# End Apache Services Port Configuration

DocumentRoot "sys:/apache/web"
<Directory "/">
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
allow from all
</Directory>

<Directory "sys:/apache/web">
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
allow from all
</Directory>

DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php
AccessFileName .htaccess
<Files ~ "^\.ht">
Order allow,deny
Deny from all
</Files>

UseCanonicalName Off
TypesConfig conf/mime.types
DefaultType text/plain
HostnameLookups Off
ErrorLog logs/error_log
LogLevel warn
LogFormat "%v %h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\""
combined
LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common
LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer
LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent

# Uncomment the following line to turn on access logging
CustomLog logs/access_log combined

# Rotate logs daily
LogRotateDaily on
#---------------------

One thing, I have a number of vitual hosts defined (various aliases for
three domains). There are three logs that are COMBINED for each of the
three domains.When I have the logrotatedaily directive uncommented and
start apache with NVXADMUP, one of the logs is rotated at startup, but not
all.

And, of course, apache does not work as described.

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-23, 2:45 am

I just checked on my 6.0 server that I retired three weeks ago. It had:

LogRotateInterval 180

Exactly where you have yours and it works. My old 5.0 server has
LogRotateDaily on. It is 1.3.32 or 1.3.33

To have separate logs for separate V-hosts, you need to specify
separate logs within the V-host blocks.

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-23, 5:45 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks very much for your help. I tried LogRotateInterval with
"LogrotateDaily on" and also with that commented out. It behaves the
same, either way. It is really bizarre, to say the least.

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:
> I just checked on my 6.0 server that I retired three weeks ago. It had:
>
> LogRotateInterval 180
>
> Exactly where you have yours and it works. My old 5.0 server has
> LogRotateDaily on. It is 1.3.32 or 1.3.33
>
> To have separate logs for separate V-hosts, you need to specify
> separate logs within the V-host blocks.
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195
>

--
Ken McLeod
The Delphian School
http://www.delphian.org

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-23, 5:46 pm

Ken McLeod,
> Thanks very much for your help. I tried LogRotateInterval with
> "LogrotateDaily on" and also with that commented out. It behaves the
> same, either way. It is really bizarre, to say the least.

Agreed. Anyway. What you describe is consistent with a parse error of
the conf file. It should however produce a message on the Apache or
logger screen when that happens. Errors should also be in the error log
file. Did you check that?

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/invoking.html

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Ken McLeod

2005-05-23, 5:46 pm

Hi Anders,

Shoot! Thanks for reminding me about the error log. There is an error
reported that is consistent with the times I have tried loading apache with
the log directives enabled:

[Mon May 23 10:47:18 2005] [crit] (22)Bad or invalid handle: unable to
replace stderr with error_log
[Mon May 23 10:47:18 2005] [crit] (1)No such file or directory: unable to
replace stderr with /dev/null

It looks like it is having a problem with one of the log files. I am not
sure what. They all appear to be there and the references to them seem fine
(path and filename).

Can you shed some light on the errors above?

TIA,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Ken McLeod,
>
> Agreed. Anyway. What you describe is consistent with a parse error of
> the conf file. It should however produce a message on the Apache or
> logger screen when that happens. Errors should also be in the error log
> file. Did you check that?
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/invoking.html
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-24, 2:45 am

Ken McLeod,
> [Mon May 23 10:47:18 2005] [crit] (22)Bad or invalid handle: unable to
> replace stderr with error_log
> [Mon May 23 10:47:18 2005] [crit] (1)No such file or directory: unable to
> replace stderr with /dev/null
>

Now, you say: "One thing, I have a number of vitual hosts defined (various
aliases for three domains). "

Does that mean that you have added those to adminserv.conf? If so, the
error might be there. The best way and that is indeed what you have in 6.5,
is to leave the admin instance of apache alone and create a separate
instance of apache for the user stuff, ie:

Change adminserv.conf so that it listens on another IP or create an
additional secondary IP for your user stuff, then edit httpd.conf. Then:

LOAD ADDRESS SPACE APACHE APACHE.NLM

- Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
NSC Volunteer Sysop
Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)

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Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Ken McLeod

2005-05-24, 5:47 pm

Hi Anders,

Thanks.

Yes, all the virtual hosts are defined in adminserv.conf.

If I am understanding you correctly, loading apache without a config file
parameter, it will use httpd.conf by default? Interesting -- I understood that
the file was no longer used.

Now, as far as the change to httpd.conf is concerned I guess all I need to do
is to copy adminserv.conf to httpd.conf, change the port the adminserv is
listening on and then remove all the virtual host info ...

On the other side, httpd.conf, I just remove all the adminserv config info, and
I should be ok, right? Both files are basically the same config, not so?

Thanks for your help.

Cheers,
Ken

Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Ken McLeod,
>
> Now, you say: "One thing, I have a number of vitual hosts defined (various
> aliases for three domains). "
>
> Does that mean that you have added those to adminserv.conf? If so, the
> error might be there. The best way and that is indeed what you have in 6.5,
> is to leave the admin instance of apache alone and create a separate
> instance of apache for the user stuff, ie:
>
> Change adminserv.conf so that it listens on another IP or create an
> additional secondary IP for your user stuff, then edit httpd.conf. Then:
>
> LOAD ADDRESS SPACE APACHE APACHE.NLM
>
> - Anders Gustafsson, Engineer, CNE6, ASE
> NSC Volunteer Sysop
> Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20)
>
> Novell does not monitor these forums officially.
> Enhancement requests for all Novell products may be made at
> http://support.novell.com/enhancement
>
> Using VA 5.51 build 315 on Windows 2000 build 2195

Anders Gustafsson

2005-05-27, 2:45 am

Did I not answer this?? If I already had, the I apologise. My laptop HD
had major problems.

Ken McLeod wrote / skrev:

> Hi Anders,
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yes, all the virtual hosts are defined in adminserv.conf.
>
> If I am understanding you correctly, loading apache without a config file
> parameter, it will use httpd.conf by default? Interesting -- I understood that
> the file was no longer used.

Look at adminserv.ncf, it loads an alternate conf file wth the -f parameter.

> Now, as far as the change to httpd.conf is concerned I guess all I need to do
> is to copy adminserv.conf to httpd.conf, change the port the adminserv is
> listening on and then remove all the virtual host info ...
>
> On the other side, httpd.conf, I just remove all the adminserv config info, and
> I should be ok, right? Both files are basically the same config, not so?
>
No they are not the same. adminserv is a subset of httpd.conf, plus some
added stuff for the web admin parts.