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| Stefan Richter 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore believe it's
1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
Stefan
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> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:10
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
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> Hey guys, I know this has been discussed before, but I would appreciate a
> clear, definitive answer from you all.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for Spark, you need Sorenson Squeeze.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for On2, you need Flix.
>
> If the above 2 are true, then these articles saying that the Flash MX 2004
> Video Exporter, and their implications saying that Flash 8 and/or Flash
> 8's
> Video Encoder support 2 pass VBR, are incorrect.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...rter_print.html
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> Thanks if you can help!
>
> --JesterXL
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| Jake Hilton 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| Yes but the catch is that you have to buy the on2 codec if you want
squeeze to encode to it. And it's another $200... ouch.
Jake
The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore believe
it's
1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
Stefan
[vbcol=seagreen]
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:10
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Hey guys, I know this has been discussed before, but I would
appreciate a
> clear, definitive answer from you all.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for Spark, you need Sorenson Squeeze.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for On2, you need Flix.
>
> If the above 2 are true, then these articles saying that the Flash MX
2004
> Video Exporter, and their implications saying that Flash 8 and/or
Flash
> 8's
> Video Encoder support 2 pass VBR, are incorrect.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
>
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...rter_print.html
>
> Thanks if you can help!
>
> --JesterXL
>
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| Stefan Richter 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| True but I didn't have to pay for it ;-)
I guess what Jesse meant was: does Flash support 2pass for VP6, and I think
the answer is no.
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> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:37
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Yes but the catch is that you have to buy the on2 codec if you want
> squeeze to encode to it. And it's another $200... ouch.
>
> Jake
>
> The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
>
> The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore believe
> it's
> 1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> appreciate a
> 2004
> Flash
>
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| JesterXL 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| Does Flix Pro include the on2 codec? What about Flex standard?
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
Yes but the catch is that you have to buy the on2 codec if you want
squeeze to encode to it. And it's another $200... ouch.
Jake
The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore believe
it's
1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
Stefan
[vbcol=seagreen]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org [mailto:flashcomm-
> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:10
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Hey guys, I know this has been discussed before, but I would
appreciate a
> clear, definitive answer from you all.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for Spark, you need Sorenson Squeeze.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for On2, you need Flix.
>
> If the above 2 are true, then these articles saying that the Flash MX
2004
> Video Exporter, and their implications saying that Flash 8 and/or
Flash
> 8's
> Video Encoder support 2 pass VBR, are incorrect.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
>
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...rter_print.html
>
> Thanks if you can help!
>
> --JesterXL
>
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| Jake Hilton 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| Flix pro does include it as well as two pass VBR. The standard does
include the on2 codec but not two pass VBR.
Jake
Does Flix Pro include the on2 codec? What about Flex standard?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Hilton" <jhilton-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: <flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
Yes but the catch is that you have to buy the on2 codec if you want
squeeze to encode to it. And it's another $200... ouch.
Jake
[vbcol=seagreen]
The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore
believe
it's
1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
Stefan
[vbcol=seagreen]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org [mailto:flashcomm-
> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JesterXL
> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:10
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Hey guys, I know this has been discussed before, but I would
appreciate a
> clear, definitive answer from you all.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for Spark, you need Sorenson Squeeze.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for On2, you need Flix.
>
> If the above 2 are true, then these articles saying that the Flash
MX
2004
> Video Exporter, and their implications saying that Flash 8 and/or
Flash
> 8's
> Video Encoder support 2 pass VBR, are incorrect.
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
>
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...rter_print.html
>
> Thanks if you can help!
>
> --JesterXL
>
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| Jake Hilton 2005-11-09, 5:45 pm |
| Boy if I had all the hook-ups you have.. i'd never have to pay for
anything web related again!.. hosting, streaming, authoring,
encoding.... did I miss anything? 
Jake
True but I didn't have to pay for it ;-)
I guess what Jesse meant was: does Flash support 2pass for VP6, and I
think
the answer is no.
[vbcol=seagreen]
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jake Hilton
> Sent: 09 November 2005 20:37
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Yes but the catch is that you have to buy the on2 codec if you want
> squeeze to encode to it. And it's another $200... ouch.
>
> Jake
>
> The latest Squeeze also does 2pass for VP6 as well as Spark.
>
> The Flash exporter has no explicit 2pass option and I therefore
believe
> it's
> 1 pass only. Actually I am pretty sure it is.
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> appreciate a
MX[vbcol=seagreen]
> 2004
> Flash
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
[vbcol=seagreen]
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| erixtekila 2005-11-09, 8:45 pm |
| > To get 2 pass VBR video for Spark, you need Sorenson Squeeze.
>
> To get 2 pass VBR video for On2, you need Flix.
Jesse, to be clear :
In osx, the video encoder that shipped in the time of Flash MX 2004=20
(Video Encoder 1.2, I suppose) did get the 2 Pass Spark encoding.
(This feature didn't appear at first in the version 1)
But, the new video encoder utility that ships with Flash 8 only do 1=20
Pass encoding with the both codecs !
This is obviously a regression from Macromedia !
So unfortunatly for us that have made the step of upgrading, we loose 2=20=
Pass encoding from MM tool.
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...ncoding_03.html
> =
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/fl...rter_print.html
But these article speak of the first (1.2) version of the video encoder=20=
that still had this 2 Pass feature for Spark only.
**polemic** Where is the legendary backward compatibily ? **end of=20
polemic**
To continue the discussion :
- Flix pro is a good tool BUT can't insert CuePoints in the FLV.
(MM Video Encoder can)
So If you want good quality video encoding, just forget cuepoints.
- Flix Pro Is quiet hard to use as a batch utility.
His Applescript dictionnary is quiet inexistant=85
We loose the abilitiy of the so-called "watch folder" of Sorenson=20
Squeeze.
(a folder that launch automatically an encoding process when a new file=20=
is put inside)
(For the windows only user, Applescript is a language that could=20
control applications, as soon as they ship with a special API)
If anyone wants to complete these overview=85
Conclusion :
There is actually no real professional encoding tool to produce FLV=20
content.
This is a kind of bummer as I thought it was a priority for the Flash=20
platform=85
HTH
Cheers.
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| Stefan Richter 2005-11-11, 5:46 pm |
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Hosting... now that's one I still got to cover Jake! Rackspace, are you
listening? :-)
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 09 November 2005 21:07
> To: flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Boy if I had all the hook-ups you have.. i'd never have to pay for
> anything web related again!.. hosting, streaming, authoring,
> encoding.... did I miss anything?
>
> Jake
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| Jake Hilton 2005-11-11, 5:46 pm |
| Shameless... completely shameless....
Good to know I have at least one up on you!
Hosting... now that's one I still got to cover Jake! Rackspace, are
you
listening? :-)
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] 2 pass VBR in Spark & On2
>
> Boy if I had all the hook-ups you have.. i'd never have to pay for
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> encoding.... did I miss anything?
>
> Jake
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