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| Michael Weck 2005-11-17, 2:45 am |
| Hi Ed or anyone else at MM,
Is that the only bug fix in updater 3 the crashing problem posed by the
alpha player? Or are some of the other bugs fixed in this updater as well?
http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...s_updaters.html
Im just hoping someone left out the details on the other fixes, and its
not just that security fix that is in this update.
Thanks,
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| Michael Weck 2005-11-17, 2:45 am |
| after looking at the build numbers...
it was 1.5.2 build 138
this updater 3 made it
1.5.2 build 141
hopefully the difference of 3 has some fixes 
Mike
Michael Weck wrote:
> Hi Ed or anyone else at MM,
>
> Is that the only bug fix in updater 3 the crashing problem posed by the
> alpha player? Or are some of the other bugs fixed in this updater as well?
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...s_updaters.html
>
> Im just hoping someone left out the details on the other fixes, and its
> not just that security fix that is in this update.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Weck
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| Ben Groeneveld 2005-11-17, 2:45 am |
| Hmm, that's an interesting piece of info. I would be curious to know
what comprises builds at MM. If it is anything like our firm - then
probably not many changes - three builds might be barely enough for a
handful of fixes, sometimes just one. BenG.
Michael Weck wrote:
> after looking at the build numbers...
>
> it was 1.5.2 build 138
>
> this updater 3 made it
> 1.5.2 build 141
>
> hopefully the difference of 3 has some fixes
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Weck wrote:
> well?
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...s_updaters.html
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-17, 2:45 am |
| There were a few fixes; nothing too major. And I'm too lazy to go dig
and find out exactly what they were Hope you'll forgive me :P
Ed
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> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
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> after looking at the build numbers...
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> it was 1.5.2 build 138
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> this updater 3 made it
> 1.5.2 build 141
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> hopefully the difference of 3 has some fixes
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> Mike
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> Michael Weck wrote:
> this updater as well?
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...loads_updaters.
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| Aaron Roberson 2005-11-17, 5:45 pm |
| Load balancing was not fixed...?
On 11/16/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> There were a few fixes; nothing too major. And I'm too lazy to go dig
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> Ed
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| Ben Groeneveld 2005-11-17, 5:46 pm |
| Macromedia, the release notes for patch 3 are missing. Release notes
have accompanied patches previously for flashcom, and other products
like jrun or cf. Should we not be expecting release notes? Thanks, BenG.
Aaron Roberson wrote:
> Load balancing was not fixed...?
>
> On 11/16/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-17, 8:45 pm |
| What load balancing? What was the problem?
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Load balancing was not fixed...?
On 11/16/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> There were a few fixes; nothing too major. And I'm too lazy to go dig
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> Ed
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-17, 8:45 pm |
| I assume there was no release notes because this was a security patch fix. The point of this updater is to prevent possible DOS attack due to bug in an alpha build of FP8.5.
Ed
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Sent: Thu 11/17/2005 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Macromedia, the release notes for patch 3 are missing. Release notes
have accompanied patches previously for flashcom, and other products
like jrun or cf. Should we not be expecting release notes? Thanks, BenG.
Aaron Roberson wrote:
> Load balancing was not fixed...?
>
> On 11/16/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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| Aaron Roberson 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| ryanm has been stating that when he tries to user load balancing FCS 1.5cra=
shes.
On 11/17/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> What load balancing? What was the problem?
>
>
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> Load balancing was not fixed...?
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> On 11/16/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers behind
a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one of
the FCS servers, it crashes?
Ed
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> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:01 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> ryanm has been stating that when he tries to user load=20
> balancing FCS 1.5crashes.
>=20
> On 11/17/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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| Jayson K Hanes 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy" effort,
you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking the
archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
Imagine that?!
This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
are more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and
all the kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys on
the back is sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our
asses.
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> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:54 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
> doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
> causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers
behind
> a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one
of[vbcol=seagreen]
> the FCS servers, it crashes?
>=20
> Ed
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| Hey listen pal. I don't know where the hell he mentions load-balancing
or even what the hell he was doing to crash FCS, but it's certainly not
in his original email. And forgive me, but I'm not about to go
searching thru the archives on a list that we are not even required to
monitor and only do so as a courtesy to our developers. I'll refrain
from using any obsenities since I don't want to represent Macromedia in
an unfit manner; but believe me, it's taking all my strength to resist.
But for you to write something like this, I think speaks volumes for
your character. =20
And if there is a bug report, I haven't seen one; which is not to say
that there isn't one. But if he had submitted one, please give me the
bug number and I'd be more than happy to look it up. But in case you
haven't noticed. We've had a lot more crap to deal with the past few
days then dealing pricks like you. Damn, I almost got thru that email.
Oh well.
Regards,
Ed
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> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:04 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If=20
> you would read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but=20
> I'm a busy guy" effort, you'd see. He's written about it more=20
> than once. How about checking the archives for once YOURSELF=20
> instead of looking DUMB?
>=20
> WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
>=20
> Imagine that?!
>=20
> This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like=20
> the MM ppl are more often clueless about what people are=20
> saying in WORDS).. and all the kiss-assing in the world from=20
> everyone else patting you guys on the back is sickening --=20
> you are the guys who should be kissing our asses.
>=20
> How are you=20
> behind
> connection to one
> of
> Behalf Of Aaron=20
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| Will Law 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| Jason
Your post was unacceptably rude. What gives you permission to insult people
you don't even know? Ed and the MM team are bright guys. And they ARE busy -
there're answering newsgroup posts at 8.00PM at night when its not something
they have to do at all! Ed's response was entirely reasonable. Neither FCS
nor FMS do load balancing - so if Ryan has a problem with it then its tied
to some load-balancing solution and not just to FCS/FMS. It's also not Ed's
job to remember the history, or mine the archives, of what people write in
about on this list. Grow up.
Will Law
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Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would read
ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy" effort, you'd
see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking the archives
for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
Imagine that?!
This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl are
more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and all the
kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys on the back is
sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our asses.
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Edward Chan
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:54 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
> doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
> causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers
behind
> a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one
of[vbcol=seagreen]
> the FCS servers, it crashes?
>
> Ed
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| Jayson K Hanes 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| In the time you wrote both of these emails you could have done a search
and learned that of which is already redundant.
If every one was a nice guy and not saying what needs to be said, you
guys would continue to roll over and allow the bean counters or your
bosses to make decisions with no regard for the real world.
You guys are not IN the real world. People like US are your connection
to the real world here.
The real world is not all about diplomacy and being proper. Consider
this yet another kick in the pants. I didn't just jump here... you guys
have been digging yourself into a deeper hole here since FlashMX and
FCS1.5... and now with all this licensing crap for FMS2.0.. with many
people being oh so nice, and proper and smiling!.. wee!! Wow so much
gets done so quick!
I'm proud to be in the group of pricks... I call it like I see it.
You're not going to get any sugar coating from me, and, recognizing my
character is irrelevant. I have had my say.
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Edward Chan
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:35 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Hey listen pal. I don't know where the hell he mentions
load-balancing
> or even what the hell he was doing to crash FCS, but it's certainly
not
> in his original email. And forgive me, but I'm not about to go
> searching thru the archives on a list that we are not even required to
> monitor and only do so as a courtesy to our developers. I'll refrain
> from using any obsenities since I don't want to represent Macromedia
in
> an unfit manner; but believe me, it's taking all my strength to
resist.
> But for you to write something like this, I think speaks volumes for
> your character.
>=20
> And if there is a bug report, I haven't seen one; which is not to say
> that there isn't one. But if he had submitted one, please give me the
> bug number and I'd be more than happy to look it up. But in case you
> haven't noticed. We've had a lot more crap to deal with the past few
> days then dealing pricks like you. Damn, I almost got thru that
email.
> Oh well.
>=20
> Regards,
> Ed
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| Pritham Shetty 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| I am not sure what caused this outburst but this was not required. I am
not going to stoop down to this person's level and continue this thread
but I want to say my engineers go out of their way to help out on their
own time to make sure you are all successful with the product. We are
not looking for a pat on our back but show us some respect. We don't
deserve this.
Pritham.
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Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy" effort,
you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking the
archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
Imagine that?!
This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
are more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and
all the kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys on
the back is sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our
asses.
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Edward Chan
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:54 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
> doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
> causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers
behind
> a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one
of[vbcol=seagreen]
> the FCS servers, it crashes?
>=20
> Ed
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| Jayson K Hanes 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| I have to know people to insult them?
Oh.
My bad.
Wtfever.
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Will Law
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:37 AM
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Jason
>=20
> Your post was unacceptably rude. What gives you permission to insult
> people
> you don't even know? Ed and the MM team are bright guys. And they ARE
busy
> -
> there're answering newsgroup posts at 8.00PM at night when its not
> something
> they have to do at all! Ed's response was entirely reasonable. Neither
FCS
> nor FMS do load balancing - so if Ryan has a problem with it then its
tied
> to some load-balancing solution and not just to FCS/FMS. It's also not
> Ed's
> job to remember the history, or mine the archives, of what people
write in
> about on this list. Grow up.
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| JesterXL 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| >>> Snippet <<<
I'm showing
the bandwidth maxed out at 40mb and the connections at ~8400. Right now,
this is all running on a single (rather impressive) server, becuse load
balancing on 1.5 is impossible. I say it's impossible because I happen to
know that there is a known bug in remote shared objects that prevents you
from actually implementing a usable load balancing solution. The comm server
service crashes under any real load, effectively negating the purpose of
load balancing. Of course the bug was immediately addressed in FMS, but no
patch was released for 1.5, to which my response was "That's fine, I'll just
make them upgrade". Now that's no longer an option.
[vbcol=seagreen]
Because I need load balancing, and since they apparently still don't
have proxied SOs working properly, the only way to do it is with the
Origin/Edge setup.[vbcol=seagreen]
[vbcol=seagreen]
It was discussed on this list just a couple months ago. It's a bug in
the constructor for proxied shared objects that crashes the comm server
service. It's a problem if you want your comm server to have more than about
12 hours of uptime. Under a load, our servers would crash every few minutes.
The part that irritates me about this bug is that when it was
identified, it was immediately fixed in FMS2, but FCS1.5 was not patched,
essentially saying to us "if you want load balancing, upgrade to FMS", which
would be fine if it wouldn't cost us 25 times as much to do the same thing.
Forcing us to upgrade at a 2500% cost increase to address a known bug in
their software is just wrong.[vbcol=seagreen]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chan" <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "FlashComm Mailing List" <flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers behind
a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one of
the FCS servers, it crashes?
Ed
[vbcol=seagreen]
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
> Aaron Roberson
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:01 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> ryanm has been stating that when he tries to user load
> balancing FCS 1.5crashes.
>
> On 11/17/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> forgive me :P
> problem posed
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...loads_updaters.
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| Ben Groeneveld 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| -1 for Jason
....we don't need his sort around. BenG.
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> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:04 PM
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
> read
> ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy" effort, you'd
> see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking the
> archives
> for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
>
> WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
>
> Imagine that?!
>
> This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
> are
> more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and all the
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> sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our asses.
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| Jayson K Hanes 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| Interesting how such things catch the attention of many so quickly, yet,
the nice, well written, polite (non-rude) stuff... gets so little.
I'm sorry I've hurt anyone's feelings..
Really.
I'll send Ed some flowers. Perhaps some chocolate for the whole crew?..
I'll get right on that.
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Pritham Shetty
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:10 AM
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> I am not sure what caused this outburst but this was not required. I
am
> not going to stoop down to this person's level and continue this
thread
> but I want to say my engineers go out of their way to help out on
their
> own time to make sure you are all successful with the product. We are
> not looking for a pat on our back but show us some respect. We don't
> deserve this.
>=20
>=20
> Pritham.
>=20
>=20
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jayson K
> Hanes
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:04 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
> read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy"
effort,
> you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking
the
> archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
>=20
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| Ben Groeneveld 2005-11-18, 2:45 am |
| .... more likely readers remember you as a jerk digging deeper and deeper
unlikely to be read seriously again.
Jayson K Hanes wrote:
> Interesting how such things catch the attention of many so quickly, yet,
> the nice, well written, polite (non-rude) stuff... gets so little.
>
> I'm sorry I've hurt anyone's feelings..
>
> Really.
>
> I'll send Ed some flowers. Perhaps some chocolate for the whole crew?..
> I'll get right on that.
>
> am
> thread
> their
> effort,
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| lti-1a8g-LMbKfuCQv7pBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.o 2005-11-18, 7:45 am |
| Of course, Jayson's answer was rude. And I don't support his last sentence.
You should also blame the people who created the situation beforehand.
One doesn't aim assault weapons at people's head and expect them to act
if nothing happened and be coherent.
That's the situation the new licensing scheme has created.
Intense fear and frustation have never been the perfect conditions to
behave nicely and politely.
I'm not going to blame Ed for not reviewing the whole list since it
creation in order to search for this problem, but I'm going to blame the
people who created the situation where your engineers are "go[ing] out
of their way to help out on their own time to make sure [we] are all
successful with the product".
They shoudn't have to do it on their own time. They shoudn't not even
have to do it *now* on their job time, but I understand we're not living
in a perfect world.
MM's products are greated, but often plagued at launch time with
tremendous and recurrent problems. (I do think about Flash MX Pro 2004
7.0 here. I recall the localized version of the help with its
completely translated source codes examples, up to the name of built-in
AS functions !!!)
Pritham Shetty wrote:
>I am not sure what caused this outburst but this was not required. I am
>not going to stoop down to this person's level and continue this thread
>but I want to say my engineers go out of their way to help out on their
>own time to make sure you are all successful with the product. We are
>not looking for a pat on our back but show us some respect. We don't
>deserve this.
>
>
>Pritham.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jayson K
>Hanes
>Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:04 PM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
>Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
>read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy" effort,
>you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking the
>archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
>
>WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
>
>Imagine that?!
>
>This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
>are more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and
>all the kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys on
>the back is sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our
>asses.
>
>
>
>behind
>
>
>of
>
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| > Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are you
> doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
> causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers behind
> a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to one of
> the FCS servers, it crashes?
>
Talk to Asa Whitlock, he knows about it. Here is the thread in the
archives:
http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailma...ber/027448.html
>From one of the messages: "I can always encourage you to upgrade to FMS to
immediately get the fix
too "
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| Dario De Agostini 2005-11-18, 7:45 am |
| Pritham Shetty wrote:
>I am not sure what caused this outburst but this was not required. I am
>not going to stoop down to this person's level and continue this thread
>but I want to say my engineers go out of their way to help out on their
>own time to make sure you are all successful with the product. We are
>not looking for a pat on our back but show us some respect. We don't
>deserve this.
>
>
>
well...
it has been said many times (even posted thru the official bug report
tool) that proxied shared objects simply don't work.
do they work ?
well... they NEVER did for us.
(linux fcs proxy with win fcs master)
we did not experience server crashed but sycronyzation is a joke... it
just work sometimes... then it doesn't, then it does...
and the best part is that you always get "success" messages even when
everything goes horribly wrong.
i can't post a complete clear example because we were forced to forget
about this "feature" long time ago in order to create our software.
I could dig thru the code if there is any chance to get this fixed...
but i don't think this will happen...
this is what causes this disbelief you are reading in this email.
It's not acceptable anyway what Jayson wrote.
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| Brian Lesser 2005-11-18, 7:45 am |
| Jason,
You were wrong. For your own sake you need to start trying to imagine
that other people have a very different and possibly more reasonable
perspetive than you do. Can you imagine what it must be like for the
engineers to read this list while this licensing disaster is going on? I
would find the experience withering. Ed has been consistently helpful
and followed up on issues time and time again. From my perspective no
further sarcasm or attempts at humor on your part are required. A simple
and direct apology would be a good idea. Not repeating the performance
would be even better.
Yours truly,
-Brian
Dario De Agostini wrote:
> Pritham Shetty wrote:
>
> well...
> it has been said many times (even posted thru the official bug report
> tool) that proxied shared objects simply don't work.
>
> do they work ?
> well... they NEVER did for us.
> (linux fcs proxy with win fcs master)
>
> we did not experience server crashed but sycronyzation is a joke... it
> just work sometimes... then it doesn't, then it does...
> and the best part is that you always get "success" messages even when
> everything goes horribly wrong.
>
> i can't post a complete clear example because we were forced to forget
> about this "feature" long time ago in order to create our software.
> I could dig thru the code if there is any chance to get this fixed...
> but i don't think this will happen...
> this is what causes this disbelief you are reading in this email.
>
> It's not acceptable anyway what Jayson wrote.
>
> Dario De Agostini
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| Jake Hilton 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Jayson.. a bit harsh eh?
Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy"
effort,
you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking
the
archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
Imagine that?!
This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
are more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and
all the kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys
on
the back is sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our
asses.
[vbcol=seagreen]
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> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org [mailto:flashcomm-
> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Edward Chan
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:54 AM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> Sorry, but I still don't understand what the problem is? How are
you
> doing the load balancing? And what exactly are you doing that is
> causing FCS to crash? Do you mean you have multiple FCS servers
behind
> a load balancer, and when the load balancer sends a connection to
one
of[vbcol=seagreen]
> the FCS servers, it crashes?
>
> Ed
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| Aaron Roberson 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Jayson,
ONe can say it like it is without insults, accusations and profanity. I to=
o
am very tired and emotionaly drained over this licensing problem. I couldn'=
t
image what it would be like if I had already build my business around FCS
and I had multiple vhosts, thousands of connections, etc. Nonetheless,
profanity and insulting accusations are just plain rude! We do not have to
be so rude to speak plainly.
Ed, both ryanm and JesterXL have now updated you on the load balancing
problem. I hope that is enough for you to follow up on it.
-Aaron
On 11/18/05, Jake Hilton <jhilton-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Jayson.. a bit harsh eh?
>
> Damnit Ed you and the other MM team can be so damn dense. If you would
> read ryan's freaking posts with more than a "but I'm a busy guy"
> effort,
> you'd see. He's written about it more than once. How about checking
> the
> archives for once YOURSELF instead of looking DUMB?
>
> WHO KNOWS -- there MIGHT EVEN BE A *** BUG REPORT *** for you to read?
>
> Imagine that?!
>
> This goes for the other posts too.. (the fact that its like the MM ppl
> are more often clueless about what people are saying in WORDS).. and
> all the kiss-assing in the world from everyone else patting you guys
> on
> the back is sickening -- you are the guys who should be kissing our
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> you
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| Dario
I beg to disagree with you on proxied shared objects. They have worked
well for me.
However I concede that the applications I have proxied may be very
different from those you have deployed
a
De Agostini wrote:
> Pritham Shetty wrote:
>
> well...
> it has been said many times (even posted thru the official bug report
> tool) that proxied shared objects simply don't work.
>
> do they work ?
> well... they NEVER did for us.
> (linux fcs proxy with win fcs master)
>
> we did not experience server crashed but sycronyzation is a joke... it
> just work sometimes... then it doesn't, then it does...
> and the best part is that you always get "success" messages even when
> everything goes horribly wrong.
>
> i can't post a complete clear example because we were forced to forget
> about this "feature" long time ago in order to create our software.
> I could dig thru the code if there is any chance to get this fixed...
> but i don't think this will happen...
> this is what causes this disbelief you are reading in this email.
>
> It's not acceptable anyway what Jayson wrote.
>
> Dario De Agostini
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| Brian Lesser wrote:
> Jason,
> You were wrong. For your own sake you need to start trying to imagine
> that other people have a very different and possibly more reasonable
> perspetive than you do. Can you imagine what it must be like for the
> engineers to read this list while this licensing disaster is going on?
> I would find the experience withering. Ed has been consistently
> helpful and followed up on issues time and time again. From my
> perspective no further sarcasm or attempts at humor on your part are
> required. A simple and direct apology would be a good idea. Not
> repeating the performance would be even better.
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
>
> Dario De Agostini wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Brian, I concur.
Ed has a really been a star.
The last few days have been horrid, still lets be a little civil to each
other.
a
> Jason,
> You were wrong. For your own sake you need to start trying to imagine
> that other people have a very different and possibly more reasonable
> perspetive than you do. Can you imagine what it must be like for the
> engineers to read this list while this licensing disaster is going on?
> I would find the experience withering. Ed has been consistently
> helpful and followed up on issues time and time again. From my
> perspective no further sarcasm or attempts at humor on your part are
> required. A simple and direct apology would be a good idea. Not
> repeating the performance would be even better.
> Yours truly,
> -Brian
>
>
> Dario De Agostini wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Dario De Agostini 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| _a wrote:
> Dario
> I beg to disagree with you on proxied shared objects. They have worked
> well for me.
> However I concede that the applications I have proxied may be very
> different from those you have deployed
>
i'm sorry for what i wrote.
this not the time nor the right place to discuss this.
let's switch back to licensing, i apologize for this bad off topic.
i may contact you offlist to discuss proxyed SO.
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| Edward Chan 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| While you're buying the flowers, why don't you go get yourself a
pacifier too. It seems to work wonders for calming down my 7month old
baby.
Ed=20
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> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:33 PM
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>=20
> Interesting how such things catch the attention of many so=20
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| **putting out fire with gasoline ?
Edward Chan wrote:
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>baby.
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>Ed
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| Aaron Roberson 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Ed,
You're on your own now. If you want to antagonise this fellow then the two
of you can insult each other off list. And please don't say, "He started it
first".
Dario is right, who cares about load balancing, shared proxies or anything
else for that matter until the licensing is all straightened out. I think
that we have all stopped or significantly slowed down production on our
applications on account of the new licensing. It's not that we are too busy
following the progress, we just don't feel like we can invest anymore time
into them if all we get is the option of 2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps of bw OR 15=
0
cc's and no bw cap. On top of that, the 150 cc's is not gauranteed and the
2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps is only an "interim" license.
We just can't go on like this for very long, especially not for another 90
days!
I think it's ironic that before FMS 2 began shipping (have any sold
anyways?) that someone argued that we should be acknowledge as those who ar=
e
responsible for selling FCS/FMS because we have to persuade our clients and
sale them on the idea before they ever purchase the server and then a coupl=
e
of weeks later Steven wrote an article on how developers can better sell FM=
S
to their clients. (Wow that was a long sentence).
-Aaron
On 11/18/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> While you're buying the flowers, why don't you go get yourself a
> pacifier too. It seems to work wonders for calming down my 7month old
> baby.
>
> Ed
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| Nathanial Thelen 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Same for us. We worked on using proxied shared objects for a long time to
enable load balancing and failover in 1.5. Ran into lots of show stoppers,
found a few work arounds, ended up having to forget about it. Submitted
most of them as bugs on 2.0 and they seem to be fixed. Now that there is
going to be good licensing for FMS2, maybe we will upgrade. But I think
that bugs should be fixed, especially in $4500 (minimum) pieces of software.
Nate
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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Dario De
Agostini
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:08 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Pritham Shetty wrote:
>I am not sure what caused this outburst but this was not required. I am
>not going to stoop down to this person's level and continue this thread
>but I want to say my engineers go out of their way to help out on their
>own time to make sure you are all successful with the product. We are
>not looking for a pat on our back but show us some respect. We don't
>deserve this.
>
>
>
well...
it has been said many times (even posted thru the official bug report
tool) that proxied shared objects simply don't work.
do they work ?
well... they NEVER did for us.
(linux fcs proxy with win fcs master)
we did not experience server crashed but sycronyzation is a joke... it just
work sometimes... then it doesn't, then it does...
and the best part is that you always get "success" messages even when
everything goes horribly wrong.
i can't post a complete clear example because we were forced to forget about
this "feature" long time ago in order to create our software.
I could dig thru the code if there is any chance to get this fixed...
but i don't think this will happen...
this is what causes this disbelief you are reading in this email.
It's not acceptable anyway what Jayson wrote.
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| Ben Groeneveld 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| We are using proxied shared objects on an fcs cluster running on win2k
and redhat9. Works well, Thanks, BenG.
Dario De Agostini wrote:
> Pritham Shetty wrote:
>
> well...
> it has been said many times (even posted thru the official bug report
> tool) that proxied shared objects simply don't work.
>
> do they work ?
> well... they NEVER did for us.
> (linux fcs proxy with win fcs master)
>
> we did not experience server crashed but sycronyzation is a joke... it
> just work sometimes... then it doesn't, then it does...
> and the best part is that you always get "success" messages even when
> everything goes horribly wrong.
>
> i can't post a complete clear example because we were forced to forget
> about this "feature" long time ago in order to create our software.
> I could dig thru the code if there is any chance to get this fixed...
> but i don't think this will happen...
> this is what causes this disbelief you are reading in this email.
>
> It's not acceptable anyway what Jayson wrote.
>
> Dario De Agostini
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| Brian Lesser 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Ryanm,
If you've got the public beta or whatever look in the: .../Flash Media
Server 2/documentation folder. There is a pdf in there to get you started.
Cheers,
-Brian
ryanm wrote:
> Well... I do! I don't know how long it will take to work out the
> licensing, and in the mean time, I still have people leaning on me to
> assure them that we have a workable solution. Right now I just don't
> know that we do. I need to implement load balancing ASAP (in the next
> 90 days if possible), so this is really an inconvenient time for all
> of this.
>
> I have a question for the MM guys: Where can I get some specs/docs
> on the Origin/Edge editions? I really need to find out if they are
> appropriate for our purpose, or if I will need to "home roll" my own
> load balancing solution on the pro version. I've heard repeatedly that
> I should talk to MM sales about pricing, but what about specs and
> implementation docs?
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| > Dario is right, who cares about load balancing, shared proxies
> or anything else for that matter until the licensing is all straightened
> out.
>
Well... I do! I don't know how long it will take to work out the
licensing, and in the mean time, I still have people leaning on me to assure
them that we have a workable solution. Right now I just don't know that we
do. I need to implement load balancing ASAP (in the next 90 days if
possible), so this is really an inconvenient time for all of this.
I have a question for the MM guys: Where can I get some specs/docs on
the Origin/Edge editions? I really need to find out if they are appropriate
for our purpose, or if I will need to "home roll" my own load balancing
solution on the pro version. I've heard repeatedly that I should talk to MM
sales about pricing, but what about specs and implementation docs?
ryanm
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| JesterXL 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| It also helps candy kids on X at raves from chewing their lips off.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chan" <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "FlashComm Mailing List" <flashcomm-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
While you're buying the flowers, why don't you go get yourself a
pacifier too. It seems to work wonders for calming down my 7month old
baby.
Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
> Jayson K Hanes
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:33 PM
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> Interesting how such things catch the attention of many so
> quickly, yet, the nice, well written, polite (non-rude)
> stuff... gets so little.
>
> I'm sorry I've hurt anyone's feelings..
>
> Really.
>
> I'll send Ed some flowers. Perhaps some chocolate for the
> whole crew?..
> I'll get right on that.
>
> am
> thread
> their
> product. We are
> We don't
> Of Jayson K
> If you would
> effort,
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> you to read?
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| Beto A 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| Ditto
Harman Singh <hsingh-jNy/Gecho0bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: You are right, Aaron. Let's not =
get distracted from the licensing issue. We
too have stopped development on the FMS for now and I hope that they reso=
lve
the issue first.
I WILL come back to the load balancing issue, because I know we will need=
it
very soon, but a step at a time please. Our whole business model is going=
to
go out of the window if we can't fix licensing, then there be no load to =
be
balanced.
My 2 cents.
Harman
-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Rober=
son
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:33 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Ed,
You're on your own now. If you want to antagonise this fellow then the tw=
o
of you can insult each other off list. And please don't say, "He started =
it
first".
Dario is right, who cares about load balancing, shared proxies or anythin=
g
else for that matter until the licensing is all straightened out. I think
that we have all stopped or significantly slowed down production on our
applications on account of the new licensing. It's not that we are too bu=
sy
following the progress, we just don't feel like we can invest anymore tim=
e
into them if all we get is the option of 2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps of bw OR =
150
cc's and no bw cap. On top of that, the 150 cc's is not gauranteed and th=
e
2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps is only an "interim" license.
We just can't go on like this for very long, especially not for another 9=
0
days!
I think it's ironic that before FMS 2 began shipping (have any sold
anyways?) that someone argued that we should be acknowledge as those who =
are
responsible for selling FCS/FMS because we have to persuade our clients a=
nd
sale them on the idea before they ever purchase the server and then a cou=
ple
of weeks later Steven wrote an article on how developers can better sell =
FMS
to their clients. (Wow that was a long sentence).
-Aaron
On 11/18/05, Edward Chan wrote:
>
> While you're buying the flowers, why don't you go get yourself a
> pacifier too. It seems to work wonders for calming down my 7month old
> baby.
>
> Ed
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| Harman Singh 2005-11-18, 5:45 pm |
| You are right, Aaron. Let's not get distracted from the licensing issue. We
too have stopped development on the FMS for now and I hope that they resolve
the issue first.
I WILL come back to the load balancing issue, because I know we will need it
very soon, but a step at a time please. Our whole business model is going to
go out of the window if we can't fix licensing, then there be no load to be
balanced.
My 2 cents.
Harman
-----Original Message-----
From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org
[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Roberson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:33 PM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
Ed,
You're on your own now. If you want to antagonise this fellow then the two
of you can insult each other off list. And please don't say, "He started it
first".
Dario is right, who cares about load balancing, shared proxies or anything
else for that matter until the licensing is all straightened out. I think
that we have all stopped or significantly slowed down production on our
applications on account of the new licensing. It's not that we are too busy
following the progress, we just don't feel like we can invest anymore time
into them if all we get is the option of 2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps of bw OR 150
cc's and no bw cap. On top of that, the 150 cc's is not gauranteed and the
2,500 cc's and 25 Mbps is only an "interim" license.
We just can't go on like this for very long, especially not for another 90
days!
I think it's ironic that before FMS 2 began shipping (have any sold
anyways?) that someone argued that we should be acknowledge as those who are
responsible for selling FCS/FMS because we have to persuade our clients and
sale them on the idea before they ever purchase the server and then a couple
of weeks later Steven wrote an article on how developers can better sell FMS
to their clients. (Wow that was a long sentence).
-Aaron
On 11/18/05, Edward Chan <echan-14osZcCZf762oZ/6fjIToQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> While you're buying the flowers, why don't you go get yourself a
> pacifier too. It seems to work wonders for calming down my 7month old
> baby.
>
> Ed
>
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| > If you've got the public beta or whatever look in the: .../Flash Media
> Server 2/documentation folder. There is a pdf in there to get you started.
>
I downloaded it but never installed it (didn't have time to play with
it). Any chance someone could link or email me the pdf so I don't have to
install to get it? I can't afford for any of my 1.5 servers to stop working
right now...
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| Stefan Richter 2005-11-19, 5:45 pm |
| SORRY Ayo I have to disagree ;-)
I too have had very strange and undebuggable proxy SO issues which I finally
had to work around using serverside calls.
Sorry I have no further details except that under load they didn't work for
me.
Stefan
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of _a
> Sent: 18 November 2005 16:04
> To: FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] updater 3 question
>
> Dario
> I beg to disagree with you on proxied shared objects. They have worked
> well for me.
> However I concede that the applications I have proxied may be very
> different from those you have deployed
>
> a
>
>
> De Agostini wrote:
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