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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

I asked this question earlier and didnt get much response so I am
trying again... because I am desparate!

I have had my configuration running under windows and it has worked fine.

I have moved to linux and now I can record with FCS but I cannot play
the files once they have been recorded. I am imagining it is a
permissions issue but it would seem to have all the necessary
permissions. It is like a roach motel for video.

I know there are a bunch of you guys out there with excellent FCS on
Linux experience.

Help!!!!

Hank

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actionscriptcoder

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Sounds like you have write permission to the folder but not read ...
try chmod 666 * for a sledgehammer/nut solution

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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Ok, so just to be clear its not that it wont play at all. When you
play a video, it plays the first frame and then stops. So its probably
*not* a permissions issue since it would say stream not found, which
it doesnt do. It finds the stream and issues a reset message and a
play message, but then it freezes.

Again, if I point the exact same code to my windows server it plays fine.

Hank

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:31:21 +0000, actionscriptcoder
<actionscriptcoder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Sounds like you have write permission to the folder but not read ...
> try chmod 666 * for a sledgehammer/nut solution
>
> A
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actionscriptcoder

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

These are probably questions youve already answered to yourself but
I'll ask them anyway

Can you play the streams recorded on the Linux server from your Windows server?
Can you play the streams recorded on the Windows server from your Linux server?
How big are the recorded FLV files ... are they comparable on Linux
to that you seen on Windows?

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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Excellent suggestions... but the problem only gets wierder.

When I moved the video and the idx file to my windows machine it has
the same problem as the linux machine.

But the really wierd part is that one of my routines query's the
server as to how long the video is before it gets started. The linux
and windows servers return **different** durations.

The linux server says the duration is 8.536. The windows server says
the duration is 0.536. In both cases they *behave* has though the
duration was 0.536.

So somehow, the linux box is recording video that plays fine via http,
but will not play properly via the either the windows or the linux
server. But the on the windows server the duration of the video is
reported inaccurately.

By the way, at this point any Macromedia dudes are also welcome to
chime in here. Its sounding like I am stumbling across some sort of
anomaly. here.

Hank


On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:32:39 +0000, actionscriptcoder
<actionscriptcoder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> These are probably questions youve already answered to yourself but
> I'll ask them anyway
>
> Can you play the streams recorded on the Linux server from your Windows server?
> Can you play the streams recorded on the Windows server from your Linux server?
> How big are the recorded FLV files ... are they comparable on Linux
> to that you seen on Windows?
>
> A
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actionscriptcoder

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

It certainly sounds as though on Linux the recording is starting, but
not continuing.

Have you tried setting a value for snapShotMilliseconds in your
attachVideo, if you can force the linux server into recording a
specific duration, then maybe that would help hone down the problem
further

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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Ok, so just to be clear. I now have a side by side test where I can
point my player at the same video file created by linux FCS, file but
accessed it through three different mechanisms.

1. Access via http --- plays fine full 8.536 seconds

2. Access via Linux FCS server --- plays one or a few frames.
Reports duration at 8.536 seconds

3. Access via Windows FCS server --- plays one or a few frames.
Reports duration at 0.536 seconds

When I create video via the Windows FCS server there are no problems.
So the linux server is creating some kind of slightly corrupted video
file


On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:18:15 -0500, hank williams <hank777-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> No, you are missunderstanding. The linux server is recording fine. The
> full 8.536 seconds plays back via http. The video is really there. But
> somehow the linux server is marking the recording in such a way that
> it cant be played back via FCS.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:06:33 +0000, actionscriptcoder
> <actionscriptcoder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Ok, another wierd tidbit. When I moved the FLV file to windows I also
moved the IDX file. As I said before, things still didnt work.

Then I deleted the IDX file for the FLV. Things still didnt work.

Then I restarted the windows FCS server, and now the FLV plays.

So, it means that the IDX file that the linux FCS server created
either was corrupted, or is incompatible with the windows FCS server.

I have not been able to restart the linux FCS server yet (hopefully my
admin will show me how to do that in a few minutes).

But at least I can now focus on the IDX. But one question is, I had
read that the latest version of FCS didnt use IDX files. But both FCS
servers seem to use and create them. What is the deal with that?




On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:37:58 -0500, hank williams <hank777-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Ok, so just to be clear. I now have a side by side test where I can
> point my player at the same video file created by linux FCS, file but
> accessed it through three different mechanisms.
>
> 1. Access via http --- plays fine full 8.536 seconds
>
> 2. Access via Linux FCS server --- plays one or a few frames.
> Reports duration at 8.536 seconds
>
> 3. Access via Windows FCS server --- plays one or a few frames.
> Reports duration at 0.536 seconds
>
> When I create video via the Windows FCS server there are no problems.
> So the linux server is creating some kind of slightly corrupted video
> file
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:18:15 -0500, hank williams <hank777-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>


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Thijs Triemstra|Collab

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

If the fcs server creates IDX files, than it means that you're not
using the latest fcs service pack (1.5.2) Install the update and try
again...

Thijs


Op 25-feb-05 om 17:21 heeft hank williams het volgende geschreven:

> Ok, another wierd tidbit. When I moved the FLV file to windows I also
> moved the IDX file. As I said before, things still didnt work.
>
> Then I deleted the IDX file for the FLV. Things still didnt work.
>
> Then I restarted the windows FCS server, and now the FLV plays.
>
> So, it means that the IDX file that the linux FCS server created
> either was corrupted, or is incompatible with the windows FCS server.
>
> I have not been able to restart the linux FCS server yet (hopefully my
> admin will show me how to do that in a few minutes).
>
> But at least I can now focus on the IDX. But one question is, I had
> read that the latest version of FCS didnt use IDX files. But both FCS
> servers seem to use and create them. What is the deal with that?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:37:58 -0500, hank williams <hank777-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
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Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Appearantly, since your server is still generating idx files you're
running an old (unupdated) version of the fcs server. Get the updater
asap, that'll fix a loooot of problems.

(you'll find it somewhere on macromedia.com, don't have the exact url
right here)

Thijs Triemstra|Collab wrote:
> If the fcs server creates IDX files, than it means that you're not using
> the latest fcs service pack (1.5.2) Install the update and try again...
>
> Thijs
>
>
> Op 25-feb-05 om 17:21 heeft hank williams het volgende geschreven:
>
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hank williams

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Updating to the latest server did fix the problem. Of course there was
nothing wrong with what I was doing, it just turns out that I guess
the old version, at least on linux, was really really buggy.

Nevertheless, buggy software is OK. It happens, and that is why we
keep working and make new versions that are less buggy.

But I have to say, the way MM provides their software code is
*incredibly* unprofessional.

The notion that they allow, no, actually *require* that you download
an old, non-working version of their software and then that you
"patch" that software to make it current is insane. I always thought
if you downloaded the software that is the latest full version on the
website that you would be getting the latest software. I assumed that
the "patch" was for people with older versions.

I assumed wrong.

The only full version available on the MM website is the old version
of the software. To get the current version of the software you must
download the old version and then download the adjacent "patch" and
upgrade the very software that you just downloaded.

The funny thing about the "patch" is that its not a patch. It is just
a new version of the software with a few of the ancillary pieces
missing. So the patch is damn near the full new version of the
software. But not quite.

None of this is explicit on the MM website.

It should say: "press here to download the old creaky barely
functional version of the software"

Then there should be another button that says: "press here to download
the latest version , but that wont run until you have installed the
old broken version"

Can you imagine if the only way to get flash 7 was to download flash 6
and then to "patch" it? Clearly this is insane. The only reason MM
can, on some level, get away with this is that it is percieved that
things like server software can be documented poorly and presented
poorly and it wont mater because "they are geeks, they'll figure it
out"

This philosophy is taken to the extreme with the linux version of the
server which is incredibly poorly documented and in fact, by default,
generates error messages when you install on any current version of
red hat. FCS linux will only install quietly on a version of RedHat
that they havent sold in years.

So there should be a sign over the linux version of FCS that says:
unsupported undocmented software. Use at your own risk because we
really dont care much about this.

It is shameful.

Hank


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:21:49 +0100, Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive
<wouter-cbyZFP1Q8NkXQ3Lr6voeyA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Appearantly, since your server is still generating idx files you're
> running an old (unupdated) version of the fcs server. Get the updater
> asap, that'll fix a loooot of problems.
>
> (you'll find it somewhere on macromedia.com, don't have the exact url
> right here)
>
> Thijs Triemstra|Collab wrote:
>
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Stefan Richter

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Amen to that.

Let's just hope that someone is listening as you are not the first (and
neither the last) person who got caught out by this issue. One would =
indeed
assume that the main download would be a 'patched' version and not one =
which
contains bugs that have already been fixed...

Stefan=20




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[mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of hank =
williams
Sent: 28 February 2005 14:47
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] FCS on linux can record but not read the same =
files


Updating to the latest server did fix the problem. Of course there was
nothing wrong with what I was doing, it just turns out that I guess the =
old
version, at least on linux, was really really buggy.

Nevertheless, buggy software is OK. It happens, and that is why we keep
working and make new versions that are less buggy.

But I have to say, the way MM provides their software code is
*incredibly* unprofessional.

The notion that they allow, no, actually *require* that you download an =
old,
non-working version of their software and then that you "patch" that
software to make it current is insane. I always thought if you =
downloaded
the software that is the latest full version on the website that you =
would
be getting the latest software. I assumed that the "patch" was for =
people
with older versions.

I assumed wrong.

The only full version available on the MM website is the old version of =
the
software. To get the current version of the software you must download =
the
old version and then download the adjacent "patch" and upgrade the very
software that you just downloaded.

The funny thing about the "patch" is that its not a patch. It is just a =
new
version of the software with a few of the ancillary pieces missing. So =
the
patch is damn near the full new version of the software. But not quite.

None of this is explicit on the MM website.

It should say: "press here to download the old creaky barely functional
version of the software"

Then there should be another button that says: "press here to download =
the
latest version , but that wont run until you have installed the old =
broken
version"

Can you imagine if the only way to get flash 7 was to download flash 6 =
and
then to "patch" it? Clearly this is insane. The only reason MM can, on =
some
level, get away with this is that it is percieved that things like =
server
software can be documented poorly and presented poorly and it wont mater
because "they are geeks, they'll figure it out"

This philosophy is taken to the extreme with the linux version of the =
server
which is incredibly poorly documented and in fact, by default, generates
error messages when you install on any current version of red hat. FCS =
linux
will only install quietly on a version of RedHat that they havent sold =
in
years.

So there should be a sign over the linux version of FCS that says:
unsupported undocmented software. Use at your own risk because we really
dont care much about this.

It is shameful.

Hank


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Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Amen

hank williams wrote:
> Updating to the latest server did fix the problem. Of course there was
> nothing wrong with what I was doing, it just turns out that I guess
> the old version, at least on linux, was really really buggy.
>
> Nevertheless, buggy software is OK. It happens, and that is why we
> keep working and make new versions that are less buggy.
>
> But I have to say, the way MM provides their software code is
> *incredibly* unprofessional.
>
> The notion that they allow, no, actually *require* that you download
> an old, non-working version of their software and then that you
> "patch" that software to make it current is insane. I always thought
> if you downloaded the software that is the latest full version on the
> website that you would be getting the latest software. I assumed that
> the "patch" was for people with older versions.
>
> I assumed wrong.
>
> The only full version available on the MM website is the old version
> of the software. To get the current version of the software you must
> download the old version and then download the adjacent "patch" and
> upgrade the very software that you just downloaded.
>
> The funny thing about the "patch" is that its not a patch. It is just
> a new version of the software with a few of the ancillary pieces
> missing. So the patch is damn near the full new version of the
> software. But not quite.
>
> None of this is explicit on the MM website.
>
> It should say: "press here to download the old creaky barely
> functional version of the software"
>
> Then there should be another button that says: "press here to download
> the latest version , but that wont run until you have installed the
> old broken version"
>
> Can you imagine if the only way to get flash 7 was to download flash 6
> and then to "patch" it? Clearly this is insane. The only reason MM
> can, on some level, get away with this is that it is percieved that
> things like server software can be documented poorly and presented
> poorly and it wont mater because "they are geeks, they'll figure it
> out"
>
> This philosophy is taken to the extreme with the linux version of the
> server which is incredibly poorly documented and in fact, by default,
> generates error messages when you install on any current version of
> red hat. FCS linux will only install quietly on a version of RedHat
> that they havent sold in years.
>
> So there should be a sign over the linux version of FCS that says:
> unsupported undocmented software. Use at your own risk because we
> really dont care much about this.
>
> It is shameful.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:21:49 +0100, Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive
> <wouter-cbyZFP1Q8NkXQ3Lr6voeyA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
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Jean-Charles Carelli

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

Well said.


On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive wrote:

> Amen
>
> hank williams wrote:
>
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Thijs Triemstra|Collab

2005-04-07, 5:50 pm

I totally agree. And that for 4750 euros...

Thijs

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Onderwerp: Re: [FlashComm] FCS on linux can record but not read the same
files

Updating to the latest server did fix the problem. Of course there was
nothing wrong with what I was doing, it just turns out that I guess
the old version, at least on linux, was really really buggy.

Nevertheless, buggy software is OK. It happens, and that is why we
keep working and make new versions that are less buggy.

But I have to say, the way MM provides their software code is
*incredibly* unprofessional.

The notion that they allow, no, actually *require* that you download
an old, non-working version of their software and then that you
"patch" that software to make it current is insane. I always thought
if you downloaded the software that is the latest full version on the
website that you would be getting the latest software. I assumed that
the "patch" was for people with older versions.

I assumed wrong.

The only full version available on the MM website is the old version
of the software. To get the current version of the software you must
download the old version and then download the adjacent "patch" and
upgrade the very software that you just downloaded.

The funny thing about the "patch" is that its not a patch. It is just
a new version of the software with a few of the ancillary pieces
missing. So the patch is damn near the full new version of the
software. But not quite.

None of this is explicit on the MM website.

It should say: "press here to download the old creaky barely
functional version of the software"

Then there should be another button that says: "press here to download
the latest version , but that wont run until you have installed the
old broken version"

Can you imagine if the only way to get flash 7 was to download flash 6
and then to "patch" it? Clearly this is insane. The only reason MM
can, on some level, get away with this is that it is percieved that
things like server software can be documented poorly and presented
poorly and it wont mater because "they are geeks, they'll figure it
out"

This philosophy is taken to the extreme with the linux version of the
server which is incredibly poorly documented and in fact, by default,
generates error messages when you install on any current version of
red hat. FCS linux will only install quietly on a version of RedHat
that they havent sold in years.

So there should be a sign over the linux version of FCS that says:
unsupported undocmented software. Use at your own risk because we
really dont care much about this.

It is shameful.

Hank


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:21:49 +0100, Wouter van Vliet / WEBclusive
<wouter-cbyZFP1Q8NkXQ3Lr6voeyA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Appearantly, since your server is still generating idx files you're
> running an old (unupdated) version of the fcs server. Get the updater
> asap, that'll fix a loooot of problems.
>
> (you'll find it somewhere on macromedia.com, don't have the exact url
> right here)
>
> Thijs Triemstra|Collab wrote:
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