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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:55 pm |
| One of our guys read that MM has licensed ON2's codec. That's a good
thing if true. I've been playing with it today. It is far more
efficient than Spark.
Anyone have confirmation of this?
RT
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| hank williams 2005-04-07, 5:55 pm |
| I've heard that rumor too. And I hope its true. Because it is the best
codec out there. It has microsoft and real beat by a country mile. I
just wonder whether it can encode fast enough to do webcam stuff or if
we will still be stuck with h.263 (i.e. flv) for that.
Hank
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:01:54 -0500, Randy Tinfow <tinfow-PMb9m0z8LQpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> One of our guys read that MM has licensed ON2's codec. That's a good
> thing if true. I've been playing with it today. It is far more
> efficient than Spark.
>
> Anyone have confirmation of this?
>
> RT
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:55 pm |
| Why bother with HD-DVD when you've got this? At 700kb/second it looks
better than 3.5mpbs MPEG2. It was tying up 50-70 percent of my 3.2ghz
single proc when scaled to fullscreen.
Wrap live encoding and Flash interactivity around this and we'll change
the world.
RT
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> I've heard that rumor too. And I hope its true. Because it is the best
> codec out there. It has microsoft and real beat by a country mile. I
> just wonder whether it can encode fast enough to do webcam stuff or if
> we will still be stuck with h.263 (i.e. flv) for that.
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> Hank
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:01:54 -0500, Randy Tinfow <tinfow-PMb9m0z8LQpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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| Stefan Richter 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| You may be right
http://www.on2.com/pressreleases.php?qs1=q4_2004_call
Search for 'Macromedia' on that page.
Stefan
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> Subject: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
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> One of our guys read that MM has licensed ON2's codec.
> That's a good thing if true. I've been playing with it
> today. It is far more efficient than Spark.
>
> Anyone have confirmation of this?
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>
> RT
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| Bill Sanders 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Hi Guys,
ON2 > FCS2?
Bill
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:47 AM, hank williams wrote:
> That is *great* confirmation. Flash will go from being the worst
> quality video platform to the best.
>
> Hank
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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:41:01 -0000, Stefan Richter
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| Bill Sanders 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Bill
Ok, so there's the license....
- The license of On2 software to Macromedia, for which approximately
$1.5 million in revenue was recognized during the year.
When, where and how will this technology be seen in MM products? Will
it go to Breeze? FCS? Both? Something new?
Bill
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> ON2 > FCS2?
>
> Bill
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:47 AM, hank williams wrote:
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| Stefan Richter 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Who knows, would make sense though wouldn't it?
Let's just hope it's not another Breeze only feature - but I doubt that very
much.
Stefan
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> Sent: 26 March 2005 13:02
> To: hank williams; FlashComm Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> ON2 > FCS2?
>
> Bill
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:47 AM, hank williams wrote:
>
> Behalf Of Randy
> today. It
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| Stefan Richter 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Here's another bit of speculation
http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/b...688149&tid=macr
&sid=4688149&mid=34455
Stefan
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> Stefan Richter
> Sent: 26 March 2005 13:14
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
>
> Who knows, would make sense though wouldn't it?
> Let's just hope it's not another Breeze only feature - but I
> doubt that very much.
>
> Stefan
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Word is that it will be integrated into FP8. The word is that Flash MX2005 will be out in May. FP8 may preceed that. FCS will arrive much later.
I agree with Hank's best-to-worst comment. The interactive capabilities of Flash with the best video codec makes for paradigm shifting. Static streaming media will soon be a thing of the past.
RT
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| Brian Lesser 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Does anyone know of any respected third party comparisons between
Windows Media and On2?
Thanks,
-B
Randy Tinfow wrote:
>Word is that it will be integrated into FP8. The word is that Flash MX2005 will be out in May. FP8 may preceed that. FCS will arrive much later.
>
>I agree with Hank's best-to-worst comment. The interactive capabilities of Flash with the best video codec makes for paradigm shifting. Static streaming media will soon be a thing of the past.
>
>
>RT
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| Bill Sanders 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
|
Randy,
> The word is that Flash MX2005 will be out in May.
Where'd that come from? That's month-after-next!
Bill
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| I've heard it from two individuals who I'd consider knowledgeable.
RT
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Sent: Sat 3/26/2005 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
Randy,
> The word is that Flash MX2005 will be out in May.
Where'd that come from? That's month-after-next!
Bill
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| I'd say that Brian Lesser's eyes would constitute a respected third party evaluation!
;-)
rt
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Sent: Sat 3/26/2005 9:47 AM
To: FlashComm Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
Does anyone know of any respected third party comparisons between
Windows Media and On2?
Thanks,
-B
Randy Tinfow wrote:
>Word is that it will be integrated into FP8. The word is that Flash MX2005 will be out in May. FP8 may preceed that. FCS will arrive much later.
>
>I agree with Hank's best-to-worst comment. The interactive capabilities of Flash with the best video codec makes for paradigm shifting. Static streaming media will soon be a thing of the past.
>
>
>RT
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| Brian Lesser 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| LOL.... nah, they're mostly crossed or rolling around.... maybe someone
has done some bitrate vs modulation transfer work and published it?
In a quick google search I haven't found anything...
Cheers,
-B
Randy Tinfow wrote:
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>I'd say that Brian Lesser's eyes would constitute a respected third party evaluation!
>
>;-)
>
>rt
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>From: flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org on behalf of Brian Lesser
>Sent: Sat 3/26/2005 9:47 AM
>To: FlashComm Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [FlashComm] ON2 speculation
>
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>
>Does anyone know of any respected third party comparisons between
>Windows Media and On2?
>
>Thanks,
>-B
>
>Randy Tinfow wrote:
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| hank williams 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| I dont know about third party, but here is a link to a bunch or their
analysis and comparison
http://www.on2.com/vp7_samples.php
There used to be (last year) a side by side comparison where they
compressed their stuff and windows media and real so you could see
what the same video looked like compressed with the different codecs.
But I was not able to find it just now.
But in any case, the samples and technical discussion is very
impressive. These guys seem to be much better engineers than they are
marketers.
The bottom line is that, even regardless of comparisons, the videos
just look great, which is something that flash just cant say right
now.
The other piece of good news is it appears that you can do real time
encoding, which means that at some point, it should be possible to
record video and to do video conferencing with this much better codec.
Of course the problem is that we know FCS is not timed with the new
release of the player. Which means video conferencing will not look
anything like pre-recorded video until the new FCS becomes available.
Hank
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:47:01 -0500, Brian Lesser <blesser-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Does anyone know of any respected third party comparisons between
> Windows Media and On2?
>
> Thanks,
> -B
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| Bill Sanders 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| Hank,
Is there a Mac player for their samples?
Thanks,
Bill
On Mar 26, 2005, at 10:45 AM, hank williams wrote:
> I dont know about third party, but here is a link to a bunch or their
> analysis and comparison
> http://www.on2.com/vp7_samples.php
>
> There used to be (last year) a side by side comparison where they
> compressed their stuff and windows media and real so you could see
> what the same video looked like compressed with the different codecs.
> But I was not able to find it just now.
>
> But in any case, the samples and technical discussion is very
> impressive. These guys seem to be much better engineers than they are
> marketers.
>
> The bottom line is that, even regardless of comparisons, the videos
> just look great, which is something that flash just cant say right
> now.
>
> The other piece of good news is it appears that you can do real time
> encoding, which means that at some point, it should be possible to
> record video and to do video conferencing with this much better codec.
> Of course the problem is that we know FCS is not timed with the new
> release of the player. Which means video conferencing will not look
> anything like pre-recorded video until the new FCS becomes available.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:47:01 -0500, Brian Lesser <blesser-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| >Of course the problem is that we know FCS is not timed with the new
release of the player<
I don't think that FCS is codec bound. It's container (FLV) bound.=20
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| Simon Lord 2005-04-07, 5:56 pm |
| I can only find the codec for Mac so far (PC on same page):
http://www.stormahead.com/codecs.html
On Mar 26, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Hank,
>
> Is there a Mac player for their samples?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> On Mar 26, 2005, at 10:45 AM, hank williams wrote:
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