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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| It's a nice application. I would feel good about it if MM were
encouraging developer/partners. Rather, I see them moving with vigor
towards an ASP model, with little room for developers, from what I can
see.
This may be a strategic blunder by MM, forcing many of us to consider
the devil in Redmond a more palatable partner.=20
I would be pleased if my opinion on this changes to the contrary.
Randy Tinfow
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| To put my comments in context, read the InfoWeek article at:
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> It's a nice application. I would feel good about it if MM were
> encouraging developer/partners. Rather, I see them moving with vigor
> towards an ASP model, with little room for developers, from what I can
> see.
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> This may be a strategic blunder by MM, forcing many of us to consider
> the devil in Redmond a more palatable partner.
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> I would be pleased if my opinion on this changes to the contrary.
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| Flashcoder 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| The author (Anurag Gupta) doesn't seem to know Flash and what it can do, so
I don't buy his "advice". I'd have thought that industry "professionals" are
more mature than writing comments like this:
"Flash is a pseudo-virtual machine that interprets Flash action scripts.
Perhaps, had Flash been closer to a full-fledged virtual machine, Macromedia
would have been more effective at integrating with backend Java 2 Enterprise
Edition application servers. Converting Flash to a full-fledged virtual
machine today would require giving up some fraction of its user base because
mechanisms such as garbage collection and just-in-time compilation, while
improving development of managed code, introduce asynchronous behavior
that's inconsistent with the near real-time needs of animation scripts."
Yep, Flash to this guy is for animations.
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| Greg Burch 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| Wow. His quote makes no sense. And the parts that due, well they are inco=
rrect.
Thanks for saving me time, I won't even read that article. And what makes=
a
"virtual machine," psuedo? I like how he starts out blaming macromedia fo=
r the
so-called "faults" he points out but then ends up blaming animation itsel=
f.
-Greg
Quoting Flashcoder <flashcoder-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>:
> The author (Anurag Gupta) doesn't seem to know Flash and what it can do=
, so
> I don't buy his "advice". I'd have thought that industry "professionals=
" are
> more mature than writing comments like this:
>
> "Flash is a pseudo-virtual machine that interprets Flash action scripts=
..
> Perhaps, had Flash been closer to a full-fledged virtual machine, Macro=
media
> would have been more effective at integrating with backend Java 2 Enter=
prise
> Edition application servers. Converting Flash to a full-fledged virtual
> machine today would require giving up some fraction of its user base be=
cause
> mechanisms such as garbage collection and just-in-time compilation, whi=
le
> improving development of managed code, introduce asynchronous behavior
> that's inconsistent with the near real-time needs of animation scripts.=
"
>
> Yep, Flash to this guy is for animations.
>
>
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Randy Tin=
fow
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:14 AM
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Breeze5
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> To put my comments in context, read the InfoWeek article at:
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> www.informationweek.com/shared/prin...articleID=3D16=
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| James Rowley 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| More like Misinformationweek.com :-p
Greg Burch wrote:
>Wow. His quote makes no sense. And the parts that due, well they are incorrect.
>Thanks for saving me time, I won't even read that article. And what makes a
>"virtual machine," psuedo? I like how he starts out blaming macromedia for the
>so-called "faults" he points out but then ends up blaming animation itself.
>
>-Greg
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>Quoting Flashcoder <flashcoder-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>:
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| Yes, that's the writing of an idiot. But the central message is
inescapable:
Macromedia Should Ride Software-As-A-Service Trend
Headlines like that are not written in a vacuum.
RT
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Flashcoder
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:26 AM
> To: 'FlashComm Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Breeze5
>=20
> The author (Anurag Gupta) doesn't seem to know Flash and what it can
do,
> so
> I don't buy his "advice". I'd have thought that industry
"professionals"
> are
> more mature than writing comments like this:
>=20
> "Flash is a pseudo-virtual machine that interprets Flash action
scripts.
> Perhaps, had Flash been closer to a full-fledged virtual machine,
> Macromedia
> would have been more effective at integrating with backend Java 2
> Enterprise
> Edition application servers. Converting Flash to a full-fledged
virtual
> machine today would require giving up some fraction of its user base
> because
> mechanisms such as garbage collection and just-in-time compilation,
while
> improving development of managed code, introduce asynchronous behavior
> that's inconsistent with the near real-time needs of animation
scripts."
>=20
> Yep, Flash to this guy is for animations.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:flashcomm-bounces-1Ss2GqJETD3yZ38Mhd3e/9ZfFG6BLHNm@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Randy
Tinfow
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:14 AM
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> Subject: RE: [FlashComm] Breeze5
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> To put my comments in context, read the InfoWeek article at:
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| > Macromedia Should Ride Software-As-A-Service Trend
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> Headlines like that are not written in a vacuum.
To put it in a more tangible context, would you be comfortable having
the Macromedia rep visiting your office? Ours has asked me at least a
dozen times what clients we're working with. If I see him dumpster
diving I'm going to fill his butt with buckshot. ;-)
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| Blowin' in the Breeze....
The Everything-As-A-Service is definitely a trend. However, I find =20
myself caught up in the same vortex. More and more applications have =20
a component to them (generally requested by the client) that requires =20=
post-construction maintenance. Hence, a Web development project has =20
become a Web-service project. For example, any company wanting video =20=
may also want more video in a streaming format, leading to a service =20
contract that ends up worth more than the charge for the initial app =20
to stream the video. Recently, I was doing some FlashComm =20
subcontracting and found myself urging the primary developer to set =20
up a maintenance contract with the primary client to create new SWF =20
files that would be displayed in an RSO. In the long run, the service =20=
contract to keep the client supplied with SWF files will reap more =20
than the cost of the app.
So it goes with a lot of companies and individual developers...
Bill
On May 4, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Randy Tinfow wrote:
> Yes, that's the writing of an idiot. But the central message is
> inescapable:
>
> Macromedia Should Ride Software-As-A-Service Trend
>
> Headlines like that are not written in a vacuum.
>
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> RT
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> do,
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> "professionals"
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> scripts.
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> virtual
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> while
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> scripts."
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> Tinfow
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| >In the long run, the service contract to keep the client supplied with
SWF files will reap more than the cost of the app.
>=20
> So it goes with a lot of companies and individual developers...<
Absolutely. We're 100 percent there. The root question for us is "whom
are the platform vendors with whom we should invest development
resources." =20
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| Brian Lesser 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| The latest Macromedia quarterly report presentation is interesting.
Stephen Elop specifically addresses three things Macromedia is doing:
1. ubiquitous player
2. platform for developers and designers
3. leverage the platform to create Macromedia products such as Breeze
that solve business problems.
See slide 23 at:
http://www.macromedia.com/macromedi.../earnings/q405/
In part 2 he says developers and designers must be able to take
advantage of the Flash platform and that Macromedia must provide:
"...everything else necessary to help our community leverage this
broader environment."
In the near term the release of Flash 8 and FlashCom 2 will provide some
indication of how Macromedia plans to manage potential conflicts between
providing a platform and providing applications that may compete with
what other organizations build with Macromedia's platform. Screen and
file sharing, or the lack of either, will be some key things to watch.
Other things to watch will be how much the components and development
tools improve and how expensive moving forward with them will be.
Breeze 5 looks fantastic. It's great to see Macromedia evolve it into
such a strong product. From a consumer's point of view I think its just
great. I like the Web services integration point etc. I don't know how
much of a market there will be to sell Breeze + Breeze integration +
post delivery service. I assume there will be some.
Yours truly,
-Brian
Randy Tinfow wrote:
>SWF files will reap more than the cost of the app.
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>Absolutely. We're 100 percent there. The root question for us is "whom
>are the platform vendors with whom we should invest development
>resources."
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-05-04, 5:45 pm |
| > In part 2 he says developers and designers must be able to take
> advantage of the Flash platform and that Macromedia must provide:
> "...everything else necessary to help our community leverage this
> broader environment."<
Yes, I remember watching that.
> In the near term the release of Flash 8 and FlashCom 2 will provide
some
> indication of how Macromedia plans to manage potential conflicts
between
> providing a platform and providing applications that may compete with
> what other organizations build with Macromedia's platform.<
Agreed. The functionality they expose in FCS2 will be a clear indicator
of their intentions.
> Breeze 5 looks fantastic.<
Yes. Very well done. It would needd a fair amount of customization to
work for our customers.
I'd love to see the sales statistics. As good as it is, I haven't seen
it deployed anywhere, and we spend time every week with entities on
their client list! =20
My perception is that IT departments are way to busy with CRM to deal
with specialized services. We're serving WMVs for several Fortune 100
companies because they can't handle MMS, want to deal with it. What
chance is there that they'd hop on Breeze? Or that they'd allow MM a VPN
connection to behind their firewall? Nyet.
We could resell Breeze, along with other products in our arsenal. We
could add value to the Breeze proposition. No where in Macromedia's
promotional materials do I see encouragement to participate, however.
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