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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-20, 8:45 pm |
| Hi guys,
Okay, this is my first time using this mailing list so here goes:
I am still not completely sure how FCS works or even what it's
capabilities are. Basically I am looking to provide some kind of video
player on our website but we would also like to introduce some kind of
back-end to it where company personnel can upload their streaming
videos with ease. I spoke with our programmer and he suggested FCS, so
I was just having a quick look at it yesterday evening.
I use a Mac and so would I have to upload everything to a remote server
to be able to test it? I'm guessing that it won't work on Unix -
correct? Does anybody have any experiences of developing FCS on a Mac?
Is it even possible?
Thanks,
Ian
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-21, 7:45 am |
| Hi Ian,
I develop using a Mac and a Win XP on a LAN. The FCS runs on my XP,
but FCS also runs nicely on Linux. The RTMP reference is to the XP
address, but otherwise, it's pretty similar to developing on a PC.
HTH,
Bill
On May 20, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Okay, this is my first time using this mailing list so here goes:
>
> I am still not completely sure how FCS works or even what it's
> capabilities are. Basically I am looking to provide some kind of
> video player on our website but we would also like to introduce
> some kind of back-end to it where company personnel can upload
> their streaming videos with ease. I spoke with our programmer and
> he suggested FCS, so I was just having a quick look at it yesterday
> evening.
>
> I use a Mac and so would I have to upload everything to a remote
> server to be able to test it? I'm guessing that it won't work on
> Unix - correct? Does anybody have any experiences of developing FCS
> on a Mac? Is it even possible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ian
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-21, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Bill,
Thanks for your response - it's appreciated. From your response it is
obvious that I've got a lot to learn here (the learning never ends does
it, haha).
Anyway, are you saying that you have to use both your Mac and Windows
XP to be able to develop FCS? Is it possible to develop just using the
Mac? I only have a Mac here in the office, although I do have Virtual
PC too but I try to avoid using it as it is way too slow.
When I checked out the FCS software on the Macromedia website I could
only buy a Windows version of the software, however I am able to
download a Mac version of the trial which is kind of confusing?!? This
really isn't making much sense to me. Are you able to clarify things
for me in very simple terms please?
Thank you Bill,
Ian
On 21 May 2005, at 09:11, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> I develop using a Mac and a Win XP on a LAN. The FCS runs on my XP,
> but FCS also runs nicely on Linux. The RTMP reference is to the XP
> address, but otherwise, it's pretty similar to developing on a PC.
>
> HTH,
> Bill
>
> On May 20, 2005, at 7:48 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
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| Dave Williams 2005-05-21, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Ian..
Like Bill, I'm also a Mac developer. When you think of an FCS
application, think of it as a three part application.. i) Flash
development, ii) web server user access and iii) Flashcom server
file/user control and administration. You can use Flash MX on your
Mac to develop the SWF that you wish your users to access. You then
have the FCS server which is either on a Windows or Unix/Linux
environment that essentially publishes to everyone the application
which you developed. The FCS server however can not talk directly to
your users, rather, it connects through your web server where the
Flash HTML & SWF files which you previously created are stored.
For example, you can build a chat function, a video conferencing
function or perhaps a slide presentation application on your Mac
using Flash MX or Flash MX 2004. Once completed, Flash will create
the appropriate HTML & SWF files and those you need to place on a web
server. You also set up a matching directory structure on the
Flashcom server to bind your application client code on the web
server to the required server side code.
I know it sounds a little overwhelming at first but once you play
with the tutorials and place your Flash code on both the web server
and Flashcom server you will be amazed at how cool FCS is... you are
limited by only your imagination!!
Have fun... dave
At 8:12 PM +0100 5/21/05, Hit It Studios wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
>Hi Bill,
>
>Thanks for your response - it's appreciated. From your response it
>is obvious that I've got a lot to learn here (the learning never
>ends does it, haha).
>
>Anyway, are you saying that you have to use both your Mac and
>Windows XP to be able to develop FCS? Is it possible to develop just
>using the Mac? I only have a Mac here in the office, although I do
>have Virtual PC too but I try to avoid using it as it is way too
>slow.
>
>When I checked out the FCS software on the Macromedia website I
>could only buy a Windows version of the software, however I am able
>to download a Mac version of the trial which is kind of confusing?!?
>This really isn't making much sense to me. Are you able to clarify
>things for me in very simple terms please?
>
>Thank you Bill,
>
>Ian
>
>
>
>
>On 21 May 2005, at 09:11, Bill Sanders wrote:
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| Simon Lord 2005-05-21, 5:45 pm |
| > Anyway, are you saying that you have to use both your Mac and Windows
> XP to be able to develop FCS? Is it possible to develop just using the
> Mac? I only have a Mac here in the office, although I do have Virtual
> PC too but I try to avoid using it as it is way too slow.
Ian, to develop FCS "apps" all you need is Flash MX Pro on OSX or
Windows.
> When I checked out the FCS software on the Macromedia website I could
> only buy a Windows version of the software, however I am able to
> download a Mac version of the trial which is kind of confusing?!? This
> really isn't making much sense to me. Are you able to clarify things
> for me in very simple terms please?
The clarification here is that FCS itself is a server-side service. It
only runs on Windows and Linux servers. So if you're developing in a
PC environment it makes things easier because you can have FCS running
locally and build your apps and test all in one place. If you're on
OSX then you WILL need a Windows or Linux box close by to test your
apps.
I rent a Linux server for instance, while I build my apps under OSX. I
happen to also have a Windows box but I loath working in that
environment and only have it for testing purposes (either way Bill
still wins eh?).
> Thank you Bill,
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2005, at 09:11, Bill Sanders wrote:
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-21, 5:45 pm |
| Ian,
Dave and Simon pretty much said it all. It may sound strange to have
both a Mac and Win version for Flash and a Win and Linux version for
FCS. However, there are a lot more Linux servers than Apple servers,
and so I'm pretty sure that's why FCS gave the nod to Linux instead
of Mac. For development, it's pretty easy to develop on a LAN using a
Mac & Win/Linux server, and if you have a server elsewhere with FCS,
I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult to set up some kind of
developmental environment.
Bill
On May 21, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for your response - it's appreciated. From your response it
> is obvious that I've got a lot to learn here (the learning never
> ends does it, haha).
>
> Anyway, are you saying that you have to use both your Mac and
> Windows XP to be able to develop FCS? Is it possible to develop
> just using the Mac? I only have a Mac here in the office, although
> I do have Virtual PC too but I try to avoid using it as it is way
> too slow.
>
> When I checked out the FCS software on the Macromedia website I
> could only buy a Windows version of the software, however I am able
> to download a Mac version of the trial which is kind of
> confusing?!? This really isn't making much sense to me. Are you
> able to clarify things for me in very simple terms please?
>
> Thank you Bill,
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2005, at 09:11, Bill Sanders wrote:
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-21, 5:45 pm |
| Thanks so much Dave and Simon, you're certainly helping me to slowly
get my head round this.
Well I have OSX and Flash MX Pro so I'm halfway there anyway. I am
actually pretty comfortable with Flash and actionscripting so hopefully
the leap won't be too frightening.
Okay, this is the way I see it from your responses, so please correct
me if I'm wrong. I've developed and designed a number of sites in the
past. When I work with php it's great because I can test everything on
my local server with OSX being Unix-based etc. However, when I have to
develop a site using ASP (heaven forbid!) I always upload the pages to
our Windows remote server for testing, which is a bit of a pain but I
can live with it. Is what you're saying something similar to this? In
other words do I have to upload the pages to a Windows or Linux remote
server for testing FCS apps? Or is FCS something that has to be
installed on the remote server itself? Dave, you also mentioned that
you rented a Linux box when developing in OSX - what is this and how
does that work? Are Linux and Unix not similar? I apologise if these
queries appear to be schoolboy stuff...
Okay, I'm going to have a play around with the FCS trial and see if I
can get my head round it a bit. I have thousands of other questions
going round my mind at the moment but I can't quite compute them into
words at present. I'll be back to pester you all soon though. 
Thanks guys.
Ian
On 21 May 2005, at 21:15, Simon Lord wrote:
>
> Ian, to develop FCS "apps" all you need is Flash MX Pro on OSX or
> Windows.
>
>
> The clarification here is that FCS itself is a server-side service.
> It only runs on Windows and Linux servers. So if you're developing in
> a PC environment it makes things easier because you can have FCS
> running locally and build your apps and test all in one place. If
> you're on OSX then you WILL need a Windows or Linux box close by to
> test your apps.
>
> I rent a Linux server for instance, while I build my apps under OSX.
> I happen to also have a Windows box but I loath working in that
> environment and only have it for testing purposes (either way Bill
> still wins eh?).
>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-21, 8:45 pm |
| Thanks Bill. Your help is much appreciated. Thank you.
Ian
On 21 May 2005, at 21:41, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> Dave and Simon pretty much said it all. It may sound strange to have
> both a Mac and Win version for Flash and a Win and Linux version for
> FCS. However, there are a lot more Linux servers than Apple servers,
> and so I'm pretty sure that's why FCS gave the nod to Linux instead of
> Mac. For development, it's pretty easy to develop on a LAN using a Mac
> & Win/Linux server, and if you have a server elsewhere with FCS, I
> wouldn't think it'd be that difficult to set up some kind of
> developmental environment.
>
> Bill
>
> On May 21, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-21, 8:45 pm |
| Hey guys, me again!
I have just tried installing the Mac trial of FCS on OS10.3.9. It
states it can't find a copy of Flash MX and aborts installation as
stated above. I have Flash MX 2004 Pro installed in my applications
folder so this is strange... Anyway, I had a look on the Macromedia
Forums and noticed that a lot of people are having problems installing
it on OS10.3 even though Flash is already installed. Does anybody know
what is causing this and is there a workaround?
Thanks.
Ian
On 22 May 2005, at 00:31, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Thanks Bill. Your help is much appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2005, at 21:41, Bill Sanders wrote:
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-21, 8:45 pm |
| Ian,
It may be due to needing a clean uninstall. Did you have FMX 2004 on
your machine and then re-install it, or was this the first install?
If it was a reinstall, there's a bunch of other folders you have to
clean up. I think you can find which folders to clean up if it's a re-
install on the MM site Tech Notes.
Running on OS 10.4.1, it's working fine.
Bill
On May 21, 2005, at 8:19 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hey guys, me again!
>
> I have just tried installing the Mac trial of FCS on OS10.3.9. It
> states it can't find a copy of Flash MX and aborts installation as
> stated above. I have Flash MX 2004 Pro installed in my applications
> folder so this is strange... Anyway, I had a look on the Macromedia
> Forums and noticed that a lot of people are having problems
> installing it on OS10.3 even though Flash is already installed.
> Does anybody know what is causing this and is there a workaround?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ian
>
> On 22 May 2005, at 00:31, Hit It Studios wrote:
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-21, 8:45 pm |
| Thanks again Bill! I'll try that.
Ian
On 22 May 2005, at 02:07, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> It may be due to needing a clean uninstall. Did you have FMX 2004 on
> your machine and then re-install it, or was this the first install? If
> it was a reinstall, there's a bunch of other folders you have to clean
> up. I think you can find which folders to clean up if it's a
> re-install on the MM site Tech Notes.
>
> Running on OS 10.4.1, it's working fine.
>
> Bill
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-22, 5:45 pm |
| Hey Bill,
Okay, tried the reinstall but still no joy. You don't have any other
suggestions do you?
Thank you.
Ian
On 22 May 2005, at 02:07, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> It may be due to needing a clean uninstall. Did you have FMX 2004 on
> your machine and then re-install it, or was this the first install? If
> it was a reinstall, there's a bunch of other folders you have to clean
> up. I think you can find which folders to clean up if it's a
> re-install on the MM site Tech Notes.
>
> Running on OS 10.4.1, it's working fine.
>
> Bill
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-22, 5:45 pm |
| Ian,
I'd contact MM and see what they say. If you have software, it should
work!
If I can think of anything else, I'll let you know.
Good luck with this,
Bill
On May 22, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hey Bill,
>
> Okay, tried the reinstall but still no joy. You don't have any
> other suggestions do you?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ian
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-22, 5:45 pm |
| Good idea, I'll try contacting Macromedia direct then. Thanks again for
your help Bill.
Ian
On 22 May 2005, at 19:09, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> I'd contact MM and see what they say. If you have software, it should
> work!
>
> If I can think of anything else, I'll let you know.
>
> Good luck with this,
> Bill
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Bill,
Okay, this is the response I received from Macromedia this morning
about this...
-----------------------------------------
Further to your query regarding Flash Communication Server, I would
like to inform you that
Flash Communication Server is not compatible with Mac as indicated on
the page below :
http://www.macromedia.com/software/...nfo/systemreqs/
Applications may be authored on a Macintosh or Windows system with
Macromedia Flash MX and deployed to the Communication Server on either
the Linux or Windows platforms.
-----------------------------------------
This still doesn't really explain why the trial won't install on OSX
properly... Any opinion?
Thank you,
Ian
On 22 May 2005, at 02:07, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> It may be due to needing a clean uninstall. Did you have FMX 2004 on
> your machine and then re-install it, or was this the first install? If
> it was a reinstall, there's a bunch of other folders you have to clean
> up. I think you can find which folders to clean up if it's a
> re-install on the MM site Tech Notes.
>
> Running on OS 10.4.1, it's working fine.
>
> Bill
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
| Ian,
Ok, sorry for the confusion. You have to install the FCS itself on
either a WIN PC or a Linux box. Then, using a LAN (or just the Web)
make your RTMP connections to the PC from the Mac. Only the FMX 2004
goes on the Mac.
Does that make sense now?
Bill
On May 25, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Okay, this is the response I received from Macromedia this morning
> about this...
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Further to your query regarding Flash Communication Server, I
> would like to inform you that
> Flash Communication Server is not compatible with Mac as indicated
> on the page below :
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/...nfo/systemreqs/
>
> Applications may be authored on a Macintosh or Windows system with
> Macromedia Flash MX and deployed to the Communication Server on
> either the Linux or Windows platforms.
> -----------------------------------------
>
> This still doesn't really explain why the trial won't install on
> OSX properly... Any opinion?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ian
>
>
> On 22 May 2005, at 02:07, Bill Sanders wrote:
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Bill,
Okay, it's starting to make some sense now. So more starter questions
for you again... hehe.... I don't have a Windows PC but what I do have
is Virtual PC on the Mac - will this also do it? As for a Linux box -
I'm presuming that's some kind of box that you can purchase that will
link to your Mac - correct? And what exactly is a RTMP connection and
how does it work?
As you can see I'm on a pretty sharp learning curve at the moment....
Another question has just sprung to mind. Can I install FCS on a
friend's PC and then connect to it somehow via the web? Oh questions,
questions.....
Thanks Bill, your help is very much appreciated.
Ian
On 25 May 2005, at 16:27, Bill Sanders wrote:
> Ian,
>
> Ok, sorry for the confusion. You have to install the FCS itself on
> either a WIN PC or a Linux box. Then, using a LAN (or just the Web)
> make your RTMP connections to the PC from the Mac. Only the FMX 2004
> goes on the Mac.
>
> Does that make sense now?
> Bill
>
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| Sean Moran 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
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I guess I can help out Bill here...
I wouldn't recommend trying the Virtual PC thing - bound to be issues
there. Your best bet is to try a PC - yes your friend's pc will work
if he has a fast connection, and it has ftp access and is always on!
Best bet would be to find an old pc, put a version of Linux on it,
and install FCS on that. It is much easier and faster in to develop
on your LAN ... faster transfer times, etc.
I work primarily on a Mac but have both a PC here at the house and
FCS installed at our ISP across town...so I can test locally then
upload to the ISP server and check things out over the net.
Sean
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| Bill Sanders 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
| Ian,
You can try your virtual PC--that might work. If both your Flash
development tool and FCS are on the virtual PC, that might work. Then
you can develop your app in that environment. A "Linux box" is simply
a computer running the Linux OS instead of Widows OS (or Mac OS).
If you install the server on a friend's PC, you will need to be sure
that he/she has a Web server for you to access.
I'm hoping someone on this list has a virtual PC on their Mac and
they can respond to you on that note.
HTH,
Bill
On May 25, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Hit It Studios wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Okay, it's starting to make some sense now. So more starter
> questions for you again... hehe.... I don't have a Windows PC but
> what I do have is Virtual PC on the Mac - will this also do it? As
> for a Linux box - I'm presuming that's some kind of box that you
> can purchase that will link to your Mac - correct? And what exactly
> is a RTMP connection and how does it work?
>
> As you can see I'm on a pretty sharp learning curve at the moment....
>
> Another question has just sprung to mind. Can I install FCS on a
> friend's PC and then connect to it somehow via the web? Oh
> questions, questions.....
>
> Thanks Bill, your help is very much appreciated.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 25 May 2005, at 16:27, Bill Sanders wrote:
>
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| Hit It Studios 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
| Hi Sean,
Thanks for responding. I can't really purchase an old PC at present as
I have absolutely no where to put it at the moment in this poky office
(it's so small that even I have to take in a deep breath just to
squeeze in here sometimes - hehe). However, my friend with the PC does
have ftp access and a fast connection which is always on.... Therefore,
please could you tell me how it is possible for me to connect to his PC
via the net? Or at least point me in the right direction?
I'll give that a go first just to see if I can work with it without too
much frustration. Failing that, if it is too troublesome I'll look into
purchasing an old PC and cleaning out this dump of an office to make
some available space (that's a much bigger job than developing FCS
applications, trust me... haha).
Thank you Sean.
Ian
On 25 May 2005, at 17:09, Sean Moran wrote:
>
> I guess I can help out Bill here...
>
> I wouldn't recommend trying the Virtual PC thing - bound to be issues
> there. Your best bet is to try a PC - yes your friend's pc will work
> if he has a fast connection, and it has ftp access and is always on!
>
> Best bet would be to find an old pc, put a version of Linux on it, and
> install FCS on that. It is much easier and faster in to develop on
> your LAN ... faster transfer times, etc.
>
> I work primarily on a Mac but have both a PC here at the house and FCS
> installed at our ISP across town...so I can test locally then upload
> to the ISP server and check things out over the net.
>
>
> Sean
>
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| Sean Moran 2005-05-25, 5:45 pm |
|
Well, if the pc has a web serve and ftp access, you just need him to
give you an account for access. Install FSC on the pc.
Make sure to read the docs, like this one http://
download.macromedia.com/pub/flashcom/documentation/
FlashCom_Installing.pdf
Get an ftp program on the mac like CyberDuck (free) or Transmit
(personal fav) and make sure you can connect to the pc. Start going
through the tutorials!
Sean
On May 25, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Hit It Studios wrote:
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> Thanks for responding. I can't really purchase an old PC at present
> as I have absolutely no where to put it at the moment in this poky
> office (it's so small that even I have to take in a deep breath
> just to squeeze in here sometimes - hehe). However, my friend with
> the PC does have ftp access and a fast connection which is always
> on.... Therefore, please could you tell me how it is possible for
> me to connect to his PC via the net? Or at least point me in the
> right direction?
>
> I'll give that a go first just to see if I can work with it without
> too much frustration. Failing that, if it is too troublesome I'll
> look into purchasing an old PC and cleaning out this dump of an
> office to make some available space (that's a much bigger job than
> developing FCS applications, trust me... haha).
>
> Thank you Sean.
>
> Ian
>
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