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amayeta swf encrypter "eats" my video objects!
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| Alfonso Florio 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| I'm trying to test this encryptor (seems the best) to some my flashcom
apps... incredible! the video objects disappears, making my swf useless!!!
anybody encountered this issue?
any way to avoid it?
thanks in advance
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| FTOUCH-YDxpq3io04c@public.gmane.org 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| In a message dated 7/24/05 10:00:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
a.florio-hPLUXwcWdVo@public.gmane.org writes:
> a.florio-hPLUXwcWdVo@public.gmane.org (Alfonso Florio)
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Hello
Please let me know why do you use Amayeta? I mean what do you have to
protect?
What hackers can do ? what are the dangers without encryption?Please expalin
David
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| hank williams 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| This *can't* be a serious question can it? Say it aint so.
Hank
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| stoica ionut 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| No, he is right ? What do you have to protect so badly
?
1) An literate guy will not steal your code, fla
....etc, he already knows how to do it for himself
2) A guy that doesnt know too much of flash will be
spooked away by your project complexity.
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| > 2) A guy that doesnt know too much of flash will be
> spooked away by your project complexity.<
How about those of us that invest thousands of hours to make great
applications with real commercial value? Should we hand the fruits of
hour labor to lazy competitors on a silver platter? If I thought yes, I
wouldn't have been working 14/7 for the last 3 years.
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| stoica ionut 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| Applications with real commercial value as you say,
also have a strong legal backend for each of the app
strong, unique, worked by you/your team, points.
I say, flash is not for what thing it is, what, do you
see people stealing yahoos mail or front page
interface ? and javascript behind it ?
Or macromedia's page ?
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> wouldn't have been working 14/7 for the last 3
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| hank williams 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| This is obviously a perspective from people that have no commercial
interest in their work. The notion that it is inconcievable to you
guys that there are smart, technically literate people that steal,
engage in denial of service attacks, and generally use their skills in
imoral and unethical ways suggests a total disconnect with reality.
Among other things, these "literate" people keep symantec in business.
Hank
On 7/24/05, stoica ionut <iongion-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> No, he is right ? What do you have to protect so badly
> ?
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> 1) An literate guy will not steal your code, fla
> ...etc, he already knows how to do it for himself
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> 2) A guy that doesnt know too much of flash will be
> spooked away by your project complexity.
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| stoica ionut 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| You are wrong my friend, i mean, i have verry strong
commercial interest in my applications, in the work
that my employer does, we all do have. But we also
have a verry good legal team that watches close what
is happening.
It is 0.1% chance that our competitors would steal
from us and not get sued to the bones of their stolen
ip.
I mean, if average joe steals a component to put it on
his grandma website ... he gets into those 0.1%, that
get only a common sense notice before jumping on them
with legal actions.
What do you think ? If i steal your blue car and i
paint it red, then it becomes my car ?
This same principle applies to ip property.
Good teams are made of good people.
--- hank williams <hank777-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> This is obviously a perspective from people that
> have no commercial
> interest in their work. The notion that it is
> inconcievable to you
> guys that there are smart, technically literate
> people that steal,
> engage in denial of service attacks, and generally
> use their skills in
> imoral and unethical ways suggests a total
> disconnect with reality.
> Among other things, these "literate" people keep
> symantec in business.
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> On 7/24/05, stoica ionut <iongion-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> badly
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| > Applications with real commercial value as you say,
> also have a strong legal backend for each of the app
> strong, unique, worked by you/your team, points.
Absolutely correct. It doesn't make much sense, however, to give any
wannabee a shortcut by handing them the client code. Unlike portals
such as Yahoo, the Flash client contains a fair amount of the logic.
Obfuscation is at least a first line hindrance. It takes more than
casual effort to reconstruct well obfuscated code.
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| stoica ionut 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| Thats why obfuscators are here, but if they dont work,
then it is not the case to lamentate. It just a
limitation of curent fp technology and current
obfusactors. For me aso is the best, even if has many
bugs, you can tweak it after using it for long time.
I think IP protection is important but decompilers and
reverse engeneering are also a good thing, only for
the sake of knowledge.
--- Randy Tinfow <tinfow-PMb9m0z8LQpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> Absolutely correct. It doesn't make much sense,
> however, to give any
> wannabee a shortcut by handing them the client code.
> Unlike portals
> such as Yahoo, the Flash client contains a fair
> amount of the logic.
>=20
> Obfuscation is at least a first line hindrance. It
> takes more than
> casual effort to reconstruct well obfuscated code.
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| >But we also have a verry good legal team that watches close what is
happening.<
If you are modest sized patent holder battling a competitor with deep
pockets, you will run out of money before your case is resolved, at
least in the American legal morass.
This has happened to two entities with which I've been involved -
outright theft of intellectual property by predatory multinationals. I'd
be happy to give the sad details. It literally killed the founder of
one company.
Microsoft steals IP all the time, knowing full well that they will win
in the war of attrition.
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| Randy Tinfow 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| > Thats why obfuscators are here, but if they dont work, then it is not
the case to lamentate. It just a limitation of curent fp technology and
current obfusactors. For me aso is the best, even if has many bugs, you
can tweak it after using it for long time.<
Agreed.
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| stoica ionut 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| I do not agree with patents, in no matter what domain.
I only agree with IP beeing well remunerated and with
nonenforceable laws of ownership.
If invent something, then it goes to the world.
I hate the ideea that if someone has a sollution to a
problem, then everyone who needs to solve it, first
have to have the financial posibilities to solve it.
Its bad for all the world.
There are methods to hide your work but as you can see
MM didnt gived the attention to make it in current
fp8.
But no method its safe, cause what we and our
colleagues arround the world do, are human actions,
not some exotic alienish creations.
Everything can be reverse engeneerd, i had a map
program that now runs all over the internet, i used
XMLHTTPREQUEST object with php and serialisation long
before AJAX paradigm appeared, and i dont feel sorry,
it good that everything is evolving.
But dont rely on pseudoprotection and dont cry when it
fails protecting you.
--- Randy Tinfow <tinfow-PMb9m0z8LQpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> watches close what is
> happening.<
>=20
> If you are modest sized patent holder battling a
> competitor with deep
> pockets, you will run out of money before your case
> is resolved, at
> least in the American legal morass.
>=20
> This has happened to two entities with which I've
> been involved -
> outright theft of intellectual property by predatory
> multinationals. I'd
> be happy to give the sad details. It literally
> killed the founder of
> one company.
>=20
> Microsoft steals IP all the time, knowing full well
> that they will win
> in the war of attrition.
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| Alfonso Florio 2005-07-24, 5:45 pm |
| Dear friends,
I live in italy, I work in a small company and have no legal means to
protect so well my code.
Here in Italy is a good use to steal an application, change its background
and resell It. Without the need of knowing well its internal logic.
So please no sophisms!
It was just a question about a software (the encrypter) that is sold as a
great functional solution. But is useless for complex projects, so I think
it's really a fake.
No one of my projects still works after encrypting.
Other obfuscators are really redicolous, they just change the name of
variabiles and functions!!!!
At 20.50 24/07/2005, you wrote:
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>How about those of us that invest thousands of hours to make great
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>hour labor to lazy competitors on a silver platter? If I thought yes, I
>wouldn't have been working 14/7 for the last 3 years.
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